Who else's been autistically hyperfixated on the Byzantine Empire recently?Justinian was a good Emperor btw, don't care what y'all woketards think
>>18042962Woketards like him because he listened to his girlboss prostie wife, and attacked his best bro general
>>18042962I've been hyperfixated on the Macedonian dynasty. It's pure kino.
>>18042962Woketard Redditors are pro-Byzantine because they were victims of heccin racism from Latins
>>18042962John VI was one of the best Byzantine statesmen, don't let anyone tell you otherwise.
>>18043708Worse than Phocas
>>18043885filtered
>>18042962Justinian literally commited genocide on innocent Germans, may his name be accursed
>>18043956>Charlemagne literally committed genocide on innocent Germans, may his name be accursedI agree
>>18042962He was the second avatar of Antichrist. The first one was Nero and the third Napoleon
>>18043708Arguably one of, it not the worst statesmen in Byzantine history, his actions basically sealed the fate of the Byzantines
>>18043956>innocent Germansoxymoron
>>18042962He was a competent ruler who successfully did what he set out to do. He was an egomanic he named everything after himself and his grand ambitions would be more a burden outside of the conquest of Africa.
Due to the racial situation that I at birth look to have had and how I was called in half, but do not feel asThoughts were put forward as to who I might be able to speak to in the futureMy own unchangeable viewpoints on what things should beSupporting Israel as a White Western nation to expand and take over the entire region, with all non Western elements to be removed without a single remainder.Supporting Christianity and Judaism as the only Religions in that region, and only if they tolerate each other.Those who cannot, go somewhere else, far away.To the point about anyone to talk to,The only way that I would ever talk to someone from a group that wasn't one of the two that I support above is if they openly desecrated their own group in some way for all to see, and the more of a higher position that was wanted to be had, the larger the desecration will have to be.I myself will Never deal with someone from the other side if they do not openly desecrate something of their own, whether it is to renounce, burn, demolish, kill, or more, something from their side, and then perhaps with extreme oversight, words can be exchanged, and not before.I do not talk to those who are from that side, ever, and never will, and had to be drugged and beaten memoryless in order to lose my identity, but even after all of that, I still retained my sense of aversion and extreme dislike for that group and what it represents.
>>18043708>*ruins the country for literally no reason*This faggot didn't even want a classic powergrab move, he doomed his fatherland to get a shitty co-rulership deal he almost had had before the Andronikos III died anyway. What a fucking moron. Even in his own diaries in which he tries to portray himself in the best light possible he seems like a fucking moron. Legitimately, what the fuck was his problem?
>>18044151>t. monophysite scum
>>18042962Why is he so smug?
>>18044168>>18044288>if I were in his place I would have done everything right and made all the right decisions kek
Honestly the laskardis-palaiologos period is fascinating in seeing how much a state can do right and wrong so fast.You have a revival by the nicean emperors, and overthrow by Michael, and then shit starts going down due to like 8 civil wars consecutivly.
>>18045210They are comparing him to other emperors not themselves. Compared to past emperors he was an absolute retard.
>>18045270Did other emperors have to confront a situation as harsh as he did? The answer is no, and realizing that means realizing that they would have fared far worse than him. It's easy to claim that a statesman is good when the circumstances favor him.
>>18042962Me, thinking about what could have been had doukas not fled like a bitch at manzikert. Also considering I am a greek/italian mongrel I know at some point my ancestors lived under the emperor, pretty cool desu
>>18045282Southern Italians are literally just greeks. You're a Magna Grecian fren.
>>18045276>Start completely unnecessary civil war>Invite Turks to Balkans to rape your own people >Write a diary about how great you areVery dire situation indeed.
>>18045413>gets deposed by greedy conspirators>fights back to save the empireHe did his duty.
>>18045420Leo III inherited a far worse situation
>>18045276Yes, Leo the Isaurian, Maurice, Heraclius, Constantine V, Basil I, Basil II, and Alexios Komnenos all faced much harsher conditions when they took power and yet - SOMEHOW they didn't reduce their country to a powerless city state.
>>18045282Manzikert is the disaster that never should have been. It was the civil war after Manzikert that really fucked everything up. The State was able to mount a counter attack but chose to let Turks take over Anatolia and fight a civil war instead.
>>18045429>>18045808Aha.
>>18045820>just fuck my shit up
>>18045820That's some serious map gore.
Manzikert wouldn't have even happened if the Byzantines hadn't been chimping out about Armenian heresy and shit, resettling populations and whatnot. Hell, it's possible the Levant and Egypt would have proven stauncher foes against Islam if the Eastern Romans weren't such christofreaks, antagonizing whole swathes of their empire over small theological differences. The Egyptians and much of the East welcomed the Arabs, preferring them over the strict rule of Constantinople.
>>18045866Yeah whenever you read the history of the east you just realize it’s just fuck up after fuck up. They were so lucky they didn’t go extinct earlier.
>>18045866The Latin church wasn't much better. The Eastern churches preferred the Turks over the Latins.
>>18045820Basil I had to face the rebellion of every single theme but Opsikion, stop crying bitch
>>18045954John VI saw 1 out of every 3 of his subjects die from the Black Death.
>>18045866>Manzikert wouldn't have even happened if the Byzantines hadn't been chimping out about Armenian heresy and shitThat has fuck all to do with tactical mistakes and treachery which lead to catastrophe at Manzikert
>>18045959He started that bullshit civil war for no reason and handled it like an absolute retard pulling all aggressive neighbors of Byzantium into it. Stop acting like he was cornered into a hopeless situation by outside factors, that applies to John V maybe but bot Kantakouzenos.
>>18045973>He startedFanfiction.
>>18045983great argument mongoloid
>>18045954>rebellion of every single theme but OpsikionWhat?
>>18042962>Byzantine Empire>repeatedly fuck up then back-stab anybody who could make things better
>>18046151https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_the_Slav
>>18046070I'm not sure if you are a retard trying to ragebait me or an autistic tranny who can't admit he's wrong.It wasn't John VI who started the civil war. His opponents declared him a traitor with no cause or trial while he was away from Constantinople. They started the conflict.
He crushed dissent and left divisions that weakened Byzantium later.
>>18046588>His opponents declared him a traitor with no causeYeaaah, he totally didn't try to force a deal which would make him a co-ruler and oust the regency. Fuck off.
>>18046800He was already a de facto co-ruler under Andronikos III and he did an objectively excellent job. Are we supposed to believe that the guy who was doing everything to save the empire just had a change of heart and became a cartoon villain after his buddy died? Please.
>>18046181Its pretty crazy how they were able to take back Italy and then lose it nearly instantlyItaly was probably not worth it, should have just held the south and fortified sicily
>>18045276>confront a situation as harsh as he did?The entire situation was literally his fucking fault.
>>18045866Manzikert was bad but the battle of Battle of Dyrrhachium completely destroyed the army and afterwards they had to relay on mercenaries
>>18045820>serbs and bulgars>constantly graping Byzantium>greeks today constantly simping for them>"muh orthobros"I swear, since Greeks stop worshipping the Olympians, Hellas has been a shithole.
>>18045866>The Egyptians and much of the East welcomed the Arabs, preferring them over the strict rule of Constantinople.No they didn't. The Egyptians did not want the Arabs. They literally invited a Byzantine army into Alexandria, which was the primary city which resisted Imperial policy in religion, to expel the Arabs from the country. No Armenians were joining the Arabs, they actively resisted them for decades. The Syrians attempted to have Byzantine rule back into the region as well. This 'welcoming' of the Arabs is literally made up bullshit with no basis in reality.
>>18047065>most competent statesman of the empire>basically in charge of everything>most trusted individual by the emperor>the emperor dies>you leave the capital to prepare the army>suddenly, the other members of the regency call you a traitor with no cause or trial and persecute your entire family>"it was his fault, chud, Kaldellis said so!"
>>18047048You need to understand that when they started campaign there wasn't Justinian plague which burned thru treasury like wild fire, ERE was at its peakIf they stopped conquest midway they would look weak which would bring even more trouble
>>18042962Many people, you're not very special.
Has to be rage bait.
>>18045820Top 10 saddest losses in Byzantine history.
>>18045820>The Zealots qrd?
>>18047773>Held on completely isolated surrounded by turks for more than half a century>Byzantine emperor was forced by sultan to participate in its siege as humiliation ritual Man that's rough
>>18047794Glad Bayezid died in captivity. I hope the worst stories of his death are true.
>>18042962>Justinian was a good Emperor btw, don't care what y'all woketards thinkJustinian gets way too much shit for overexpansion. I do think Spain was a mistake, but North Africa and Sicily are huge. He should've given more support to Belisarius so things could be wrapped up faster or waited a few years instead of jumping near instantly from conquering the Vandals to the Ostrogoths. Also his reaction to the Nika riots was 100% justified. >Muh 30000 rioters killedBoohoo nigga.The amount of shit this man had to deal with and gets vilified for is crazy.
>>18043708>>18046813It just occured to me that the relationship between Andronikos III and John VI is pretty similar to that of Robert Baratheon and Ned Stark in Game of Thrones. I wonder if it actually inspired Martin to some degree.
>>18049111Probably did. King's Landing is basically Constantinople. Whatever book had the big siege battle was based on the 8th century Arab siege of Constantinople, even featured Greek fire.
>>18048365Justinian benefits and suffers from having so much of his reign documented. It's the same with Crassus loss at Carrhae, we have such little documentation about other Roman defeats and so much information about Carrhae that it becomes a huge focal point. Someone like Basil II, for whom we have such little information about, but could very well have had just as complicated a reign as Justinian. There's no Secret History for Basil, or no Suetonius.
>>18042962Shitty Greek despotate may it rot in piss foreverFull support to our Turkish brothers
>>18042962>Emperor Peepeepoopoolous was betrayed and overthrown by his half brother General StavrosNikosGeorgosMalakaMalakakis>28,657 civilians killed, 300,000 sold into slavery, Emperor Peepeepoopoolous blinded, castrated and starved to death, Turks seize another 10,000 square miles of Anatolia in the confusionRepeat every few decades for a thousand years.
>>18049331>Repeat every few decades for a thousand years.The Turks didn't even appear en masse until the late 11th century.
>>18043397Body count?
>>18049345And then gobbled up chunks of territory piece by piece because Alexandrosfaggotos 14th Emperor of the Souvlaki dynasty was waging civil war against his cousin MalakaGeorgeMalaka "the pant shitter" Moussaka
>>18049360You seem very angry over history.
>>18049372Sorry, where should I start reading to learn more about the Great Tzatziki Dynasty schism that lead to 324,644 deaths under Captain MalakaMalaka "the Malaka"?
>>18043573They're kinoThe Komnenian Restoration is also based
>>18049410>If Manuel Komnenos had just killed his dipshit cousinWhat could have been
>>18045820Damn, that's fucked up
>>18047773It was only allowed to be “Byzantine” (really self-governing) because it was on the border of different Turkish beyliks who didn’t want to see someone relevant hold the castle.
>>18048365he thought belisarius would of tried to usurp him if he was given too much support belisarius was incredibly popular with his soldiers and in that case justianian was 100% justified roman history is filled with this same mistake being played out throughout there whole history civil wars were more destructive then the barbarians at the gate ever were
>>18049331>>18049360>>18049378Seething T*rkroach detected
>>18049630>>18049630Why would we seethe over the pathetic reekjeet despotate we easily crushed?
>>18042962I´ve been on a byza-binge for years now, but lately went deeper on the tismOver the past two months I've read these>The Alexiad>Agent of Byzantium>Lest Darkness FallEarlier this year I read last Kaldellis book and right now I'm trying with the only Niketas Choniates translation I've found. I thought byzantine sources would be much more available in digital than they are. There's also a pro-Komnenian essay I found last week and of course enjoyed it:https://deremilitari.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/pricej.pdf>JUST-inianthe last great latin boomer emperor for sure
>>18047773crazy to think benjamin franklin was born there 400 years later
>>18042962His wife was a whore with a >1000+ body count, and was a Sassanian spy.
>>18042962The only based Byzantine Greek is Gemistos Plethon
>>18049892>WeKek, T*rkroach confirmed!>ReekjeetT*rks are far closer to jeets than Greeks ever were
>>18045231the last 100 years of the Palaiologoi dynasty is a dumpster fire. absolute clown show.
>>18044151>He was the second avatar of Antichrist. The first one was Nero and the third Napoleon
>>18049353>Body count?
>>18042962As someone who lives in North Africa, I wish Byzantium never fell to the Muslims. The region is a hellhole after they left. I love their mosaic.
>>18049323stfu subhuman rat
>>18050494True, lol. From breadbasket of the Mediterrean to backwater shithole exporting beurettes and drug dealers
>>18050407Andronikos III was the last decent emperor.
>>18050494Would have been more kino if the Vandals kept it.
>>18051196I do think if it wasn't for the constantine XI speech and the fall being somewhat romantic people would hate the palaiologos more.
>>18051211True
>>18049353Are geese included?
>>18042962Based Bulgarian Empire
>>18049600Trvke: belasarius would have made a better emperor
