What did the Druids actually believe? Like what was the theology?
>>18044352Nothing very advanced actually Just you know.. animism, more animism and some animism. But some scholars also argues that they could teach animism to their people.
>>18044352Whatever it was, it was transmitted orally and was probably surprisingly sophisticated considering it wasn't written down.According to Julius Caesar:>It is reported that they learn by heart a great number of verses in the schools of the Druids, and therefore some persons remain twenty years in training. They do not think it appropriate to write these oral teachings down, although in almost all other matters—both public and private accounts—they make use of Greek lettersThis is one of the reasons to believe they were a Celtic parallel to Brahmins and they were transmitting lengthy stories like the R̩gveda. It's very disappointing we will never get to read or hear a Druidic epic, but we might catch a glimpse of the characters they once spoke of in their stories in the Lebor Gabála Érenn which is a Christianization of older IE myths.
Most of them were noble born and they were the repositories of tribal history, myths and knowledge. They would first spend years learning the songs and poems which transmitted this information, with a strong focus on accuracy. Then they would learn how to conduct rituals and prophesise and heal people. After that they learnt how to be judges to legal dispute, surveyors, philosophers and advisors to kings. They were highly respected in their society and a the most learned of them could achieve the same status as petty kings. The Romans and Greeks highly respected them. They were such a powerful and well respected force in Ireland that the church basically had to accomodate them and only slowly chip away at their power over the centuries. They mostly indo european in essence with also megalithic priestly knowledge assimilated as well. It’s been said that the later medieval tripartite nature of society (church, nobles, peasants) was a descendant of the older Celtic system.
>>18044352Their religion was somehow similar to the ethnic African religions from West africa
>>18044406>It's very disappointing we will never get to read or hear a Druidic epic, but we might catch a glimpse of the characters they once spoke of in their stories in the Lebor Gabála Érenn which is a Christianization of older IE myths.This guy has done a pretty good job reconstructing Celtic mythologyhttps://m.youtube.com/@taliesinsmap7938
>>18044352Who cares? They are burning in Hell, forever.
>>18044415Everyone here, I do not recommend that you enter this guy's channel, it is one of those channels with little or no academic content and the author makes the most absurd "connections", trying to unite Christianity with Hinduism and Celtic religions with Hinduism
>>18044412The similarity is just human sacrifice involving wood
>>18044415Thank you for the link. Just to be clear, this poster >>18044465 is not who you responded to.>>18044465There's nothing absurd about comparing Celtic religion and Hinduism since there's an IE influence to both. Christianity seems like more of a stretch at first, but following Russell Gmirkin it's pretty clear the Old Testament was written late and ripped off Hellenistic culture. In that way Judaism and by implication Christianity were indirect receivers of IE culture.
>>18044406Correct there are many Irish works Christianized with pre-Christian stories and myths of Ireland, it is somewhat similar to the Edda. There are indeed many correspondences between pre-Christian Irish religion and Vedic religion.See how the concept of fÃr flathemon is cognate with the Vedic 'Act of Truth'.
>>18044505>It's no different from those retarded indentists who say the Saxons were one of the 12 tribes of Israel.If it's that bad, I understand where you're coming from. I just haven't seen the content yet.
>>18044493>There's nothing absurd about comparing Celtic religion and Hinduism since there's an IE influence to bothI'm not talking about comparing their similarity due to a shared root, anon. Don't get me wrong. I'm saying that the author frequently makes disconnected claims and lacks the academic rigor of prominent authors in this field. See, a claim that biblical stories actually have a connection with the Vedas, that Tifao is somehow the Egyptian god Set, "Celtic Tantric" (I want to draw your attention that the author of these videos often uses Hinduism as a comparison, not the reconstructed Vedic religion, and often tries to find forced and vague connections, that’s not how comparativemythology works). And my favorite... that Jacob and Esau were Mithra and Horus, respectively. It's no different from those retarded indentists who say the Saxons were one of the 12 tribes of Israel. Don't get me wrong, I don't want misinformation to be spread. Look for prominent authors, like Mallory and West, who I recommend.>Old Testament was written late and ripped off Hellenistic culture. In that way Judaism and by implication Christianity were indirect receivers of IE culture.whether Christianity was influenced by "Indo-European religions" is another matter, but as you stated, it would make sense for it to come from Greek, if they exist, not from Vedic, for example. And the author uses the OT, which at that time was not in contact with Indo-European peoples, only other Semites.
>>18044512If he argues for a direct path Vedic > Christian I can't support it. If he argues for a direction of influence IE > Hellenism > Judaism > Christianity I would see it as possible.
>>18044511I corrected my post and left other things out, here it is>>18044511My problem is with subjective interpretation studies, without academic rigor or following any methodology for this. Comparative mythology has been around for a long time and, like science, has its own models to prevent any kind of schizophrenia from being passed on. But anyway, it's a warning, at the end of the day you can whatever you want
>>18044512your premise is wrong when it legitimizes "comparative mythology" it is not serious science nor even taken seriously it is a fanfic that every idiot says what he wants the same with this "PIE mythology" shit
>>18044512>a shared rootegyptian, greek, norse, shinto, and old aryan hinduism do share a root and it reached even further than that
>>18044512>And the author uses the OT, which at that time was not in contact with Indo-European peoples, only other Semites.Well you see, if you were following Russell Gmirkin, you wouldn't assume that. The Torah appears to be written after the influence of Hellenistic culture reached the Levant and the Library of Alexandria (if Gmirkin is to be believed. His recent book comparing Genesis with Plato's Timaeus is compelling though)The Old Testament also has Semitic roots that are older than the appearance of Hellenistic culture in that region though.
>>18044526You're really on the offensive, calm down anon... yes, there really is a lot of nonsense written, that's why I told to look for serious and renowned authors. I know that appealing to authority is a fallacy, but look at it as people in an area who follow certain methodological precepts You can research how reconstruction works. Anthony and Mallory wrote about it, and I recommend these authors for these questions, as well as Adams. The point is to look for correct sources and authors. There are others, of course.
>>18044531That's what I'm talking about... Well, I think this has turned into a circus, and OP barely got what he wanted, a mess. I'll leave before it all turns into a mess, but OP,I recommend you read this book on Druids and Celts:Joep Leerrssen, On the Celtic Roots of a Romantic Theme', Configuring Romanticism, eds. D'haen, Liebregts, Tigges (Amsterdam, 2021)Matthias Egeler, Celtic Influences in Germanic Religion (Munich, 2013).
>>18044512To clarify again, this poster >>18044526 is not me >>18044493These kinds of threads always attract whackjobs who think Proto-Indo-Europeans or their language are fake. It's pathetic.
>>18044512The original Jews were an Ancient North Eurasian group, they migrated to India, then to Israel.
>>18044545I'm not the OP but I agree with you, And if we're going to believe any nonsense without going into depth, nothing can be considered mythology because if everyone can bark whatever they want, it has to be rigorous and falsifiable, although I'm skeptical about comparative mythology, especially that of the Celts, what we have are, in general, at least firsthand, these are Roman accounts with LOW credibility
>>18044407It is true they believed in reincarnation (metempsychosis)? Is this a standard IE belief?
>>18044518>If he argues for a direct path Vedic > Christian I can't support iThat's what this shitty channel does and since you're such a fan of the IE thing this guy tries to unmark PIE several times hahah be careful who you worship and remember that contact is not synonymous with influence there is more "Semitic" influence in the Hellenic religion than there is anything Aryan in the Christianity or Judaism >>18044526Troon You MUST explain the etymological similarities found in unrelated branches that have been separated for centuries, I expect an answer>>18044386I think this answer is fair, they were very animistic but the early Romans were too
>>18044565Yes, although I need to do more research on it. From what I understand it seems that the ‘Underworld/Otherworld’ was a mirror of our own reality, when people’s bodies rot they are brought into life on the other side. Then they are taken up into the sky, their souls are represented by stars. Then they are either reborn by having their souls brought down from the sky, or if they proved themselves ‘noble’ enough (a heroic warrior), they were allowed to live with the gods. There they would wait until the final end of days to fight. As you can see, it’s sort of similar to Norse mythology but Celtic and Germanic are closely related religions.
>>18044545Only honest poster here
>>18044536>Russell Gmirkin
>>18044598Yeah, his book about Plato's Timaeus and Genesis is okay. You can look at it on Library Genesis.
>>18044634I knew you were that guy who created all those linguist tables, it's a shame that little Indian YT videos are what you consider a source, out of respect for the OP, I won't answer why your favorite author dated things wrong, maybe on Saturday I'll make a thread discussing this
>>18044682It's interesting how things work here. Mental gymnastics are so acclaimed to show that Christianity has "Indo-European" influences, and I'm not even Christian but that seems pretty stupid to me. Christianity was based on Greek culture, whether cultural or philosophical, yes. I don't think anyone denies it, but direct "IE influence" is pretty retarded.
>>18044682Christiancuck ran away from the debate? Get out of here
>>18044682>I knew you were that guy who created all those linguist tables,I don't know what you mean>it's a shame that little Indian YT videos are what you consider a source,Are you suffering from a concussion? Nowhere did I say I support the videos. I haven't even watched them. I'm trying to keep an open mind before casting judgement.>out of respect for the OP, I won't answer why your favorite author dated things wrong, maybe on Saturday I'll make a thread discussing thisGmirkin is my favorite author now? I don't see the point in your thread. Gmirkin did good work comparing literary sources. Even if he's wrong about dates or something else, I wouldn't get fixated on a technical issue that prevents seeing the bigger picture. Hellenistic literature and the Torah have parallels worth taking notice of.
>>18044692You know who ended all 3 of these empires? Jews
>>18044695Do you really want to continue this, little boy? Move your mouse up and see that the thread is about Celtic mythology, not Christianity, Judaism, or Babylon. I'm not "running away" from anything, it's not even a debate to begin with. I don't have any favorite authors, and the author in question is known for making erroneous dates and having poor historical capacity, again Maybe I'll make a thread about it. I'll wait for you there, okay? as I anticipated, see what your pet author says about the Pentateuch, you'll like it we don't have (hint: unequivocal pre-Hellenistic evidence for the Pentateuch. The Elephantine papyri show that the Pentateuch was not central to Jewish religion in the early Persian period)
>>18044701respect the OP's thread and stop talking to yourself, another guy already left because of your weirdness, I'll be next, keep talking to yourself>>18044699Please, see>>18044704You can say I "ran away" all you want, but I'm really not going to debate this here and now. The "Documentary Hypothesis" is often treated as fact, with different styles of Hebrew seen as evidence of evolution over time, but it ignores the possibility of different styles coexisting at the same time. Some authors don't want to understand this...
>>18044704>>18044699holy shit go away with your parallel debate
>>18044699the table of Aryan cognates was made by me you clown stop thinking that everyone you discuss made the "table"
>>18044718>Please, see>>18044704Um, okay? I don't really care if you have a stick up your butt about Gmirkin. The original point I made was only that if someone wants to suggest IE cultural influence made its way to the Greeks and then subsequently to Judaism I would at least consider it even if ancient Israel was not an IE culture. You also aren't responding to me in this post >>18044704(in case that wasn't clear).
>>18044352We don’t know because they didn’t write any of it down. It was based on oral tradition passed down via their priestly class known as the Druids and the Druids were all killed by the Romans during various revolts. What little we know of the Celtic religion comes from biased Roman authors.
>>18044352we don't fucking know
>>18045711Do we at least know the gods they believed in?
They held sacrifices meant to ensure war success.
>>18044407Werent they the ones who appointed kings?
