Its been 31 years since Apartheid ended. Was it for the better or has South Africa become worse?
>>18044576for the better simply due to the fact keeping it would pretty much mean a civil war, which would inevitably devolve into multiple genocides
>>18044588>into multiple genocidesSouth Africa has been having a White genocide for 31 years
>apartheid is falling>thousands must die
>>18044576SA has become a nation of walls and enclaves since, it has just as wide a gap between rich and poor as ever, and graft is severe, but it peacefully ended an unsustainable system without the civil war and genocide that certainly would have ended it anyway. So it could have been a lot worse.
>>18044591Is that why in 2025 whites own 90% of the country's farmland?
>>18044600Let us gaze upon Zimbabwe.
>>18044591literally impossible, it doesn't take that long to wipe out a group of people
>>18044588Who would be getting genocided
>>18044576For the better. Feels like the lesser evil, even from a racist standpoint.>>18044591One genocide is, I assume, better than several. Still though, it's pretty exaggerated. Whites in South Africa are doing fine.>>18044599Could Apartheid had been mantained if it wasn't for international pressure? I have heard several contradictory opinions on this, and I don't know what to believe. Especially because it's quite the touchy topic.Also, wouldn't a civil war have quickly ended with the South African military defeating the insurretionists? Given that they were vastly more powerful.
>>18044619>Also, wouldn't a civil war have quickly ended with the South African military defeating the insurretionistsLook at what happened to Rhodesia.
>>18044591Nobody cares about White people, especially other Whites.Thanks rabbi yeshua
>>18044591SA white genocide is a complete meme. If it were real then why did only a handful of white SA's come to the US when Trump rolled out the red carpet for them saying that any and all would be admitted as refugees? This fact alone shows no genocide is happening.
>>18044619>wouldn't a civil war have quickly ended with the South African military defeating the insurretionists?Much more likely for a white enclave in the SW of the country to declare independence
>>18044599>SA has become a nation of walls and enclaves since, it has just as wide a gap between rich and poor as ever, and graft is severe, but it peacefully ended an unsustainable system without the civil war and genocide that certainly would have ended it anyway. So it could have been a lot worse.
>>18044626Rhodesia was vastly worse off, as far as I know.
>>18044626>muh rhodesia god I hate americans.
>>18044645he's pointing out how rhodesia utterly lost the bush war thoughbeit
>>18044616first off would likely be the various whites, followed by then various native blacks probably doing a few genocides against rival tribes
When did /his/ become reddit
>>18044576worse>>18044588south africa has been genociding whites since apartheid ended. same for zimbabwe
>>18044639True, I don't even think Rhodesiaboos are aware that something like 50% of the adult white population were post-WW2 settlers that had no deep roots in the country like Afrikaners do with SA.>>18044645saaar
South Africa is a failure for two reasons mostly: The ANC being incredibly corrupt and incompentent, and Blacks refusing to vote for anyone else because they prefer gibs
>>18044626the rhodesia thing was because there were fewer than 250,000 white men in the whole country and they couldn't get oil after their refinery got bombed due to international sanctions. if they had international support it they could have kept it going, see israel
>>18044645I hate you too, yurotranny
>>18044655Even blacks seem to be turning against the ANC now
>>18044655The ANC mostly ran on the pedigree of having ended aparthied. It's fracturing now, though.
>>18044657>if they had international support it they could have kept it going.They aren't Iran. The sheer lack of skilled and educated labour and a system that could produce them was a major flaw of the Rhodesian and Souty African system.>see israelMost gets American money dumped into it. Also guilt tripping Jews world wide into paying for it.
>>18044655>Blacks refusing to vote for anyone else because they prefer gibsThe DA is legit retarded anon. Barely anyone votes for them becauae itabauper cliques, most filled with old people and they have no real idea on how to counter the ANC. Also anyone who doesn't make instant wins in ANC strongholds gets booted or pressured out even if they made substantial gains.
>>18044606But other African countries have majority African owned agriculture and land ownership.
>>18044657Is this what's gonna end the war in Ukraine? Continued bombing of Russian oil infrastructure into a peace treaty? The results so far are encouraging already.
Anyone else remember the absolute hilarious seethe articles black south african "men" wrote about pic related?
>>18044778if rhodesia also had American money pouring in they would have been fine. >>18044793the rhodesians literally did not have any fuel for any of their logistics or troop transport vehicles by the end of the war
>>18044635I don't think that was particularly on the table. IIRC the cape has too many englishmen and coloreds for it to really be a target for Afrikaner Nationalists. But then why wouldn't the military not crush them also? But correct me if I am wrong. Details, names, sources, would be appreciated.>>18044815The Americans did throw them a few lifelines sometimes. Byrd ammendment for example.
>>18044588>civil war and genocideHow?
>>18044600Other way around. Whites own land, because of this they are being killed. You overlook this because you are either a retarded racial nationalist for blacks, or you are black yourself and will overlook black crimes against Whites because Whites don’t belong or something.Fun fact, Whites reached the Cape before the Bantu did. Whites are more native to the cape coast than blacks.
>>18044631The genocide is real. I’ve been there and I’ve talked to both White and black South Africans.The door wasn’t open to everyone, it was a political stunt. Also your heuristic is retarded.Theres a genocide against Whites and you don’t care because you’re either not White, anti-White, or both.If the holocaust was real well why didn’t the Jews take a boat for America? There was only a few thousand Jews immigrating to America in the 40s???>>18044645>I hate when Americans prove me wrongYou are some variant of shitlib. Stop seething over America.
>>18044653No they weren’t, also 99% of the blacks are recent economic migrants from neighboring countries who claim to be native because of retarded neoliberal “anthropology” which ascribes to the “Africa = black” nonsense and ignores everyone else in Africa.>>18044778>a major flawWhat? Rhodesia was producing genius at an expected rate for a country with an insular European minority. They were fine. You don’t like it because they were racist. They could have easily fended off the anti-Whites if they weren’t sabotaged and sanctioned by the U.S., USSR, Pact, and U.S. satellites.It’s bothersome to me commies and lib/cons never admit that when it comes Whites both of them set aside their differences to attack Whites. I guess Marx and Private property matter less than attacking White people.Spiteful mutant theory vindicated.
>>18044853>If the holocaust was real well why didn’t the Jews take a boat for America?1. America was not accepting most people. There was a famous case of a ship full of Jewish refugees that America refused to accept, and most of the passengers later died in the camps.2. The borders were closed during the war so after 1939 it was impossible to legally flee, but before the war many did indeed, just most fled to France or Poland which ultimately didn't help. The worst atrocities of the holocaust did not start until after the war had been underway for years, indeed the nazis intensified atrocities when the war was turning against them and took rolling stock away from supporting troops on the front lines to support the death camps, as utterly nonsensical as that was.
>>18044853>the genocide is real because I talked to some people>doesn't explain furtherok, what did they tell you? What evidence of a genocide did you see?
>>18044833Why are there so many things named after that guy? holy shit everything is byrd this byrd that
>>18044853>The door wasn’t open to everyone, it was a political stunt.I just looked it uphttps://za.usembassy.gov/refugee-admissions-program-for-south-africans/To be eligible for U.S. resettlement consideration through this initiative, individuals must meet all of the following criteria:>Must be of South African nationality; and>Must be of Afrikaner ethnicity or be a member of a racial minority in South Africa;>Must be able to articulate a past experience of persecution or fear of future persecution; and>Must be at least 18 years old or are being referred with a parent, as defined by the Immigration and Nationality Act (8 U.S.C. 1101(b)(2))If there really is a white genocide in south africa then everyone would qualify. So why aren't they stampeding to the US if the choice is the suitcase or the coffin?You say "your heuristic is retarded" but you are an amateur sophist who has no counter-argument other than to say "nuh uh!"
>>18044872the holocaust also wasn't real. that's why none of the camps in germany that the US, UK, France or the red cross inspected showed evidence of intentional gassing and mass murder and only the camps that the russians and only the russians inspected were death camps and why there are references to >6 million jewsgoing all the way back to the late 1800s
>>18044884You may be conflating several different Byrds. There were several important Byrds throughout history. At least one admiral Byrd, the antartic explorer.>>18044904Poland happened to be were most of the Jews were, so I don't it's too surprising the extermination camps are there.Assuming the Holocaust DID happen. We can never know.
>>18044914byrd rule and byrd amendment are both the senator who was a grand wizard and friends with hillary clinton and brandonand we only have the word of the russians, who are super trustworthy that those camps were actually death cams.Russia has never lied about denazifying things
>>18044904>hat's why none of the camps in germany that the US, UK, France or the red cross inspected showed evidence of intentional gassing and mass murder and only the camps that the russians and only the russians inspected were death camps and why there are references toNo, its because the Nazis sited their death camps in Poland, which the Soviets liberated. Majdanek was liberated earlier, in 1944, and its gas chambers were well documented by multiple journalists and foreign observers, not just the Soviets. Also, much of the evidence for the death camps isn't based on soviet inspection. Nazi records (e.g., the Höfle Telegram documenting deportation numbers, train manifests, correspondence). Perpetrator testimony (e.g., Rudolf Höss, commandant of Auschwitz, detailed the use of Zyklon B). As well as survivor testimony and physical and forensic evidence of the sites themselves.>there are references to 6 million jews going back to the late 1800sWhat argument are you even trying to make here? This makes absolutely no sense.
>>18044924yeah because there's no way the russians would ever lie about anything. especially not about denazifying a place
>>18044841>civil warpretty much towards the end of aparthied the various coloreds were increasingly hostile to the government and its forces to the point near constant riots were breaking out, in other words it was not really a question of if but when they would snap fully and start open rebellions, its the real reason the released Mandella and eventually conceded to ending Aparthied since he offered them a chance to prevent a civil war and a peaceful transition>genocidepretty much just look at any similiar example of small minority rule ending in a civil war, its never pretty for anybody involved
>>18044931Try reading the post you reply to before you post.
>>18044902What evidence would you need to see to admit there is a genocide against Whites? Whites not having equality under the law? Whites being targeted minority?>why won’t Whitey give up his land and run away1. The US government requires evidence of crimes against the refugee which can not be provided due to the fact the crimes done rarely have any survivors.2. The U.S. state does not accept a genocide is occurring, similar to how it doesn’t accept a Palestinian genocide is occurring, both for political reasons. This means “I am afraid I will be killed because I am White” does not qualify, despite it being a legitimate concern.Why are you anti-White?You have no argument at all and you’ve never been there or spoken to anyone from there.There is a White genocide going on in South Africa which fulfills every criteria of an ethnic cleansing laid out by the UN.
>>18044939Genocide is mass killing done with the specific intent to destroy an ethnic group. So what I will need to see is any evidence of that.Also point 1 makes no sense because you just need to show fear of persecution, not that you were a victim of past persecution. Point 2 also fails since President Trump himself has said there is a genocide in SA, so obviously his government will follow.I'm still waiting for you to explain what you learned from this supposed experience of going to SA and talking to people.
>>18044815The Ukrainian cause isn't the end of Russia, it's to end Putin's pet project. Ending Rhodesia was a easier task, but Ukraine isn't going for that here.A treaty so the Ukis finally stop setting oil plants on fire is probably the best bet on the eventual reason for why the war ended.They don't need to destroy every bit of oil infrastructure. 40-50%/total output would weaken Putin and the Ukis aren't far off.
>>18044914>>18044924>gas chambers were well documentedCan we see these documents which conclusively prove anyone at all was gassed?No we can’t because no one was actually gassed.>testimonyThe testimony extracted through pre-written statements signed under duress LOL.>what argumentHe’s making the case the holocaust is based on hearsay, which it is, because of how the narrative is constructed on top of common narratives of pogroms predating the holocaust.It would be like if people said “Trump really is doing mass deportations, look at this article about operation wetback”.That’s the type of narrative the holocaust is. Relying on pre-existing narratives to fabricate a narrative.Furthermore, if you believe in the holocaust, do you accept the dishonest nature of Slavs and Jews which we see regarding Ukraine and Israel is a huge strain on credibility for the holocaust narrative?>>18044934That’s laughable. Minority rule has been going on places like Iran, Russia, England, and South America for centuries.Civil wars occur sporadically and minority is less of an indicator than say having high taxes is an indicator.Also the idea that blacks would rise up I mean buddy come on. The blacks had to be trained abroad by foreign nationals and even then they struggled. They would be defeated in a weekend and then go home.The doctrine of racial quality has never been refuted.
>>18044938we can trust Russia with all things nazi. there is no way they would ever lie or fake anything nazi related to drum up public support, no way, no how. those russians are always 100% honest when it comes to military intervention involving nazis >>18044951nah, putin is removing all the nazis from ukraine. he must push on, even if his oil fields burn, for the jewish people
>>18044947>Genocide is mass killing done with the specific intent to destroy an ethnic group.so basically what the jews are doing and really what all nonwhites are trying to do?
>>18044947Nope. A genocide is a destruction of a way of life.>mass killingTens of Thousands of White South Africans have been targeted for their race since the end of apartheid, many killed outright.>you just need to show fearAlready explained why that doesn’t work.Reiterating, “fear” isn’t a substantial qualification they can not in fact say “I am afraid because I am White” I know from second hand experience.>his government will followNot his government the government hates him so no they won’t follow. They aren’t following now lol.>im still waitingWaiting for an answer you never asked a question for?I have spoken to them. There is a genocide. It’s open season on Whites. In places where the police are non-White or are too distant the blacks openly target Whites because they are White.Have you considered Whites may in fact choose to remain because it’s their home and they want political change to not be genocided? Or are you admitting you basically want them gone by any means necessary?If Whites can not live safely in the land of their fathers, that is a genocide.There is a White genocide.We dont need to entertain your delusional trannytalk.if apartheid was so bad, maybe the blacks should have left, agree?
>>18044954>thats laughableSA pretty much just lost a war to a bunch of blacks and cubans despite heavy backing from the US, I really doubt the whole it would be easy claim, especially since the SA government itself pretty much concluded it would end in civil war hence the whole they gave in thing
>abandon your people and move to niggerland so you can larp as a medieval lord>eventually the 80% of the country that are niggers realize they outnumber you and demand equal rights>cry about how das rayciss when nobody feels sympathy for younever met a nice south african
>>18044964>bringing up trannies out of nowhereare you ok anon?
>>18044600>Agriculture contributed about 2.6% to South Africa's GDP in 2023 and was a significant positive driver for GDP growth in the fourth quarter of 2024, increasing by 17.2%.Agriculture tends to stay in the hands of familys. Agriculture is not a huge part of the SA economy but what are you arguing here that it shouldnt be owned by whites? Who would that work? Land redistribution to those that dont know how to farm doesnt work
>>18044973The Cubans in Africa affair always makes me laugh. Shitty little Cuba gallivanting around the world sending troops wherever to own the imperilist chuds.
>>18044977Honestly their diaspora miss their niggers so much it's unreal. They also asslick exactly like jeets do in the workplace.
>>18044977Bizzare pseudo history
>>18044576Objectively worse.GDP per capita has been above world average for most of duration of Apartheid. SA never managed to surpass it after blacks got into power
>>18044977>and demand equal rightsNo they demand access to white spaces and access to your wealth
>>18045067>own graph shows GDP per capita increase after aparthied ended
>>18045073every country on earth saw GDP per capita increase. Relative wealth towards the rest of the world is what's important here.
>>18044973No they didn’t, they literally never once fell beneath total battlefield domination unless it was non-White on non-White combat.>they themselves concludedNo they didn’t.Blacks have never once ever defeated organized Whites in modern warfare. It has literally never happened.Whites aren’t even a small minority. The are relatively small but they still number in the millions with native arms industries. They literally could not lose to blacks utilizing primarily Cold War tech in a tactical campaign where small unit tactics predominate. Furthermore SA had nukes. Israel’s nukes allow them to wield nuclear blackmail over much greater odds than what SA faced. The only scenario in which SA loses is against actual White countries.The only major engagement between SA and Cubans was mainly between non-Whites and the South Africans took fewer losses than the Cubans and the South African aligned non-Whites hammered the Cuban aligned non-Whites.The doctrine of racial quality has never been refuted.countries like China, Russia, formerly America, rarely lose because they (used to in the case of America) adhered to this doctrine of military analysis.It always works.Still waiting for Africa to industrialize like the NeoLiberals claim it will. Two week right>>18044989The line “trannies out of nowhere” is a self report. It means the one accusing someone of being a troon hit the mark.I feel somewhat bad about such low hanging fruit but it’s so easy and the payout is huge. Tap the Israel button, tap the tranny button, it’s like being transported back to 1965 with a million dollars and a contemporary timeline of the top 25 publicly traded companies.>tranny tranny trannyThey always out themselves.
>>18044977>I am le racist communistShut up. You’re not racist (except against Whites).>larp as medieval lordThey moved there because the land was uninhabited. There were 10 people per 100sq miles.But you denigrate them with the most base motivation possible because you hate them. You hate Whites.
>>18045136>no they didn't>they just had to retreat without accomplishing any of their goalsso in other words they lost lmoa oh also>muh nukesnukes are only good against other states not yourself, since if you do nuke yourself you pretty much make it pointless to keep trying to rule it, so you are stuck back to having to fight a more conventional rebellion, but the problem with that is your entire resource industry you need to even fuel your warmachine heavily requires the very group that is now actively rebelling, its again why despite how much you seethe about it the SA gov gave in since they knew trying to keep it going was going to spell doom
>>18045073Because all the embargos were lifted?
>>18045136>Saar they didn't lose they just failed to achieve strategic goals because uh muh blacks couldn't loseCope and seethe you faggot. Not even nukes could save them>>18045138>If you don't like whites infiltrating your country and oppressing your people you're anti-white which is le bad but whites being anti-brown to minorities is le goodYou're a retard
>>18045200The south African economy prior to the embargo was never really stable since ot hinged on an extremely impressed labour and racial under class for it's profit margins and mineral export. It didn't have a developed economy that transitioned away from primary economy.
>>18045138>They moved there because the land was uninhabited.Not even the NP actually believed that. South Africa always had people living allover the landscape. On top of that the settlers made ot that far through the trade and the eventual theft of Khoi and Bantu land and animals to expand further out.
>>18045136>Still waiting for Africa to industrialize like the NeoLiberals claim it will. Two week rightYou do know nearly every western country pretty much just uses China for manufacturing and slap some "Designed by Sven" label to make it appear home built and designed?
>>18045010>Land redistribution to those that dont know how to farm doesnt workThat's how whites got all that colonial and Apartheid land in the first place. Big difference is that they had a fuckton of landless people with nearly zero pay and living in work shacks to cushion them until they could purchase more modern equipment and land investments. Similar to the condtions in the American South with sharecropping but worse because it was illegal for Whites to hire non-Whites as sharecroppers so they didn't even have that.
>>18044780>Barely anyone votes for them becauae itabauper cliquesWell, that's the point. The DA draws support mainly from Whites and Coloureds, so South Africa is essentially a two-party system. The DA always wins in Western Cape, and the ANC always wins everything other province.Other parties are there pretty much for the illusion of choice.
>>18044576>Increasing Blackouts after apartheid>Neverending corruption>Crime rates that make big US cities look weakI knew someone in South Africa who bought a washing machine, strapped it down in in his pickup truck, quickly stopped at a store to buy one singular item he knew the location of, and came back to find the washing machine gone. Apartheid was unsustainable with all that international pressure but surely something could have been done to stop it from getting this bad. Everyone I know over there is looking for a way out and the situation, despite whatever graphs the news might tell you, is just getting worse. Riots form over there where crowds march on shopping malls and leave them without so much as shopping carts, the police are leaving in large numbers, private armed guards now outnumber the police and army combined if the official numbers are to be trusted. I could go on. It's all a mess. I don't know what's best for that country, I don't live there, but I think it could and should be better than this. Would the UK at least waiting a little longer before pulling out have helped? What do you think would have allowed South Africa to "make it" and what should it have done with its nuclear weapons? I'm fresh out of ideas, it seems like too much over too long of a time from my view, I'm just hoping someone here has an idea that would give me hope in that country;s future again.
>>18045457>>Increasing Blackouts after apartheidTurna out the Aparthied regime relying on coal was a bad idea. Also in SA corporate/extraction companies get first dib and guaranteed energy access the minute the power output drops so they never had any incentive to "care" about the issue as private entities because they don't bear the brunt of it. Also doesn't help SA invested barely any money in expanding electricity back in the day even to white communities so that pretty much bit the late NP + ANC era governments in the butt.>Neverending corruptionSA always had extreme Latin America corruption. State capture was rampant, contracts were handed out as favours, you had business leaderd outright control the government or become politicians, several governments were extremely influenced and dominated by corporate interests (look at how Tuberculosis spread in Southern Africa).>Crime rates that make big US cities look weakIt always had massive crime rates. Doesn't help when you have multi-generational entrenched poverty in urban areas on top the state historically seizing private assets and forced population movements constantly resetting aocial mobility.
>>18044576Worse>>18044588Its their won fault they looked at crowds of disorderly niggers rioting and got real confused about what the automatic rifles in their hands could do.>>18044619>Could Apartheid had been mantained if it wasn't for international pressure?Nobody forced them to encourage black migration while slowing down white migration. And yes they did this early on because the people in charge were aggressively fucking stupid.
>>18044904>evidence of intentional gassingStarvation, neglect and exposure work just fine.
>>18045457>Would the UK at least waiting a little longer before pulling out have helped?No. The UK has an extreme classification problem and many people from there tend who move abroad tend to be very much in favour of keeping the gravy train going. Do remember a crapton of the NPs racial and segregation policies were directly lifted from prior BSA policy and law or used it as a framework/precedent.>I'm just hoping someone here has an idea that would give me hope in that country;s future again.The NP had a moment to actually reform the country but decided to double down on the colonial era style of extraction. So the Asian states that didn't benefit from being safe from WW2 or had their own racial/class inequality issuea were able to bridge the gap and surpass SA.
>>18045136>Furthermore SA had nukes.But not the means to hit the US or Europe. which is what they really needed to keep themselves around.The entire thing would have been better off had they expelled blacks from their societies entirely and never bothered using them as a labor force.
>>18045542They were protesting. A lot of the protests in SA went south since the state and police force intentionally shot at civilians. In many parts of the world the police and military were (and still are) one in the same.>Nobody forced them to encourage black migration while slowing down white migrationVast majority of the Saffer African population were within SA. The few migrant ones always were temporary labourers that were sent back because private companies used them to depress they already rock bottom and depressed wages further.
>>18045557>The entire thing would have been better off had they expelled blacks from their societiesBlacks made up the vast majority of the pop lol.>never bothered using them as a labor force.Who the fuck would in Europe would immigrate to SA to wage slave like a serf in some rural farm with no help of ever having a future beyond "wake up wagey living in my shack, its time to start your 12+ hour shift"?
>>18044593Lmao
>>18044848This is a myth spread by the apartheid regime
>>18044848>>18045622Depends on how you look at it. Like the Xhosa are basically Bantu-Khoisan hybrids, both genetically and culturally they have far more in common with the native Khoisan than the Boers have, and most of the blacks who today live in the Western Cape are Xhosa.However, Xhosa people never actually lived in the Western Cape until recent migrations over the past decades whereas Boers have lived there for almost 400 years.
>>18044576I don't think anyone who isn't a delusional progressive can argue that it's been better. Yeah, there's less discrimination but is it worth the insane out of control violence and corruption? Only an idiot would argue yes
>>18045681>who isn't a delusional progressive can argue that it's been betterIt all the development metrics it's better. The reality is that it's too late because South Africas economy has failed to leave the mid 20th century. It's basically been frozen in time on that front.>is it worth the insane out of control violence and corruption?Apartheid had that and was on the verge of outright civil war and heavy dissent. It also pretty much failed to push reforms to actually transition to a 21st century economy.
>>18045691>outright civil war and heavy dissent. Because it peacefully transitioned in the most lib way possible so all the whitetards have literally every mm of land>It also pretty much failed to push reforms to actually transition to a 21st century economy.Because there was no land reform of any sort, South Africa needed a mugabe more than a mandela>b-b-buh muh zimbabwe is le badBecause it was a landlocked state cut off from the rest of the world while universally sanctioned and in a violent civil war as an unrecognized apartheid shithole (rhodesia) and sanctioned further upon trying anything in the newly independent landlocked zimbabwe, south africa could not be denied in the same way
>>18044964>A genocide is a destruction of a way of life.?
>>18045691And in Apartheid South Africa you also had the staye committing violence, assassinations, mass surveillance and fighting on like three fronts feeding young male conscripts into it. I feel people always ignore how regressive the NP was in general even to the Anglo and Afrikaner pop
>>18045706>most lib way possible so all the whitetards have literally every mm of landIt sucks ass but it was either that or get pressured and sanctioned for actually engaging in the type of basic land reforms literally EVERY developed state did. It's worse because people scream about the mere idea of it despite literally every African state making gains in agriculture and land development but development politics was built on double standards.
>>18045681>Yeah, there's less discriminationNah. Its just tossed at mayos now
>>18045813>Its just tossed at mayos nowNot at all. Thats what makes it so hilarious is that Saffer whites are trying to paint themselves like they are similar to the SEA Chinese and Indo-Ugandans in terms of the stuff their are supposedly "facing".
>>18045138I'm not a communist. You are a delusional retard.
>>18044812Need me some nubian pussy
>>18044812I don't blame them.This pic is so fucking hot
Better if you're black, worse if you're white.
>>18045862>>18045927Samefag piglets
>>18045067very common colonial story
>>18045136>Blacks have never once ever defeated organized Whites in modern warfareRhodesia granted it was like 10,000,000 commies vs 200,000 white men and 500,000 black rhodesians
>>18045862>>18045927it was literally just some black guy seething about how WMBF was racist and that the posters had to be bmwf to be anti racist and then he was seething that the government didn't kill all white people and redistribute their land and money
>>18044631Didn't one of those white South African farmers want to go back. Like he concluded Trump was scamming them or something
>>18044977I got that reference lol
>>18044576worse
>>18044576
>>18048763The ANC had a lot of supporters who weren't African or pure black. How is this surprising to you?
>>18046493>200,000 white men and 500,000 black rhodesiansThe numbera dwindled ao much ny the end it was mostly black.
>>18046485Pretty much every colony is richer now.>>18045937>worse if you're white.Not really unless you think trying to bruteforce a lame Christian larp and dying in the middle of Angola is cool.>>18045067The 60s were awful in Asia and they had multiple wars going on. SA wasted all those yeara propping up corporate interests.After the 80s the drop started because the vast majority of the population either were undereducated (including a ton of the whote population) and most of the population was severely underpaid. The flatlining after is due to pricing collapses in several mining ore and agricultural protectionism and market shifts occurring alongside chain droughts.
>>18044576better for everyone except racist cumskinsthe black majority used to be oppresed second class citizens but they're living a decent life now
>>18048763>>18048770kek>>18048769jews hate white people
>>18048858GMS! and shalom
>>18048929A lot of the anti Apartheid people were non-Jew whites.
>>18048781I wonder how much South Africa being a legitimate republic impaired it's performance. Having to please an undercaste of retards who demand extense molly coddling and ideologically compliant but stupid domestic/international policy wouldn't do good to any state, much less one as embattled as South Africa. Even the limited reforms they imposed had a relatively large backlash. Though their attempt at actually cantonizing their country is interesting, even if it was too little too late.>>18045679Afrikaners*. Boers are specifically the ones who left the cape for inner Africa. Imo, Afrikaners are fucking weird, especially Boers. I think they are the real Great White Tribe, and I don't mean this in a positive sense. The pre-british cape vaguely reminds me of Latin America with it's tri-partite division between Khoe natives, colonists, foreign slaves and weird mixes between the three.
>>18049045Mostly anglos iirc. The NP was white supremacist, but it was also a an Afrikaner Party and it was pretty clear about that.
>>18049070I believe an actual colonial overclass with no ties to the soil would have definitely transitioned into an in paper egalitarian country and enjoyed affluent obscurity like they do in Namibia (are there any other countries where is the case? I need to know). If it even stayed at all. But the tribe didn't wish to do that.
