Why did the Germans chimp out?It's just strange for a western people to do. They aren't Mongols, they aren't Turks. They had christianity, rennaisance, human rights etc. and yet behaved like chinese warlords 2000 years ago. It's unbelievable.
>>18044625There was a massive communist threat that the western democracies were taking lightly.
>>18044642They didn't take it lightly. England even considered bombing the soviets
>>18044659All talk no action though.
>>18044625Germans fought bloody wars against Huns in the fourth and fifth centuries too
>>18042279>What do you mean have been warring. The warring time is over since 80 years, Germany lost their east forever and Gdańsk, Wrocław, Szczecin, Poznań will literally never ever be German again and they signed a treaty renouncing all claims. A lot of younger Germans don't even know those places used to be German and the only people who care are old boomers on death's door that are part of Bund der Vertriebenen and a couple online daydreamer EU4 addicts like you that think you will take it all back in a racewar someday. We used to number 24 million in 1939 and now we number 38 million while Germany's population is barely greater than it was in 1938 with way fewer ethnic Germans now since half of young Germans have immigrant parents. We almost doubled the numbers of our race, got Lebensraum from you, got EU gibs from you, you even killed almost all the Jews in Poland for us. Now work harder German bitch I want more EU money and you'll give it to me bitch.
>>18044625>They aren't Mongols, they aren't Turks>>18044656https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oDuxP2vnWNk&list=RDoDuxP2vnWNk&start_radio=1
>>18044625Neither Jews being pogromed nor brutal wars being fought against Slavs are abnormal in German history, or even Western history broadly
>>18044666OK Satan
>>18044685>industrial genocide is normal>wars of annihilation are normalKraut hands typed this post. Wars in the middle ages were waged to gain new taxes, not to exterminate peoples.
>>18044832Krauts were always like that, when the Teutonic Knights took over Gdansk they killed every person in the city and moved Germans in. That's actually how it became a German speaking city.
>>18044625Germans are BVLLs and when Hitler mantled Wotan they had to do a little party rocking.>>18044832Except for Slavic wars where slavs racially replaced the Sarmatians, Avars, Scythians, Goths, and most of the Balts and Vlachs.>hahaha Slava Slav strongy>*germany plays the Slavic game*>WTF WTF KURWA IM BEING GENOCIDED?????Let me guess I’m anti Slavic right? It’s ok for Poles to genocide people but not for anyone to retaliate of course.>>18044838See above.
>>18044642>Communist threat?>Better invade one of the most anti-Communist countries in Europe>Alongside the communists
>>18044861Europe, especially middle and eastern europe is just a mess. Everyone genocided pretty much everyone.
>>18044838No evidence Slavs existed prior to the Hunnic invasions
>>18044861Shut the fuck up Germnigger, you are irrelevant.
>>18044625You're seeing it happen in real time right now. GenZ is the Fourth Reich. Praise the Lord.
>>18044994>GenZ is the Fourth ReichAnd where the fuck is their Wehrmacht, kek? Thought so.
>>18044865That was a pact that the Germans always intended to break, and it was meant to go for their other enemies (France) first without worrying about the Soviets. As for the Germans invading Poland, they wanted a border with the USSR in order to invade them later but Poland was a geographical barrier that stood in the way. To them, that had to be fixed even at the risk of Britain and France declaring war on them.
>>18044625By falsely placing the blame for WWI on Germany in the Treaty of Versailles, and using that as an excuse for a massive land-grab against the Germans, Europe basically guaranteed Hitler or someone like him was going to come to power in Germany sooner or later.>a Serbian terrorist murders an Austrian royal>Austria goes to war with Serbia>Russia honors a treaty with Serbia and goes to war with Austria>Germany honors a treaty with Austria and goes to war with Russia>France and Britain honor treaties with Russia and go to war with GermanyAnd yet Germany was supposed to have been the aggressor here? Nobody did anything "wrong" in terms of how WWI was started, aside from the Serbs, and attempting to apply blame to Germany for this basically delegitimized international law. Of course the Germans were going to get the message that all that really matters is conquest, with law being a mere pretext imposed by the winner, and in that climate, how could they proceed in any other course than to remilitarize and attack the countries that had so abused them two decades earlier?
>>18044625They have always chimped out. The greatest failure of the Romans was not conquering Germania.
Germans didn’t chimp out because they were less Western.
>>18044625Sorry I rather take this gamble nowadays compared to liberal constitutionalism that has destroyed our societies and our culture and our country.
>>18045311And yet it was Germniggers who started both world wars. Quit trying to twist history to suit your agenda, Heinie.
>>18047470>Germans are high T BVLLs who love to fightBasedThe don’t even care about winning they’re for the love of the game.
>>18047489They are destroyers of civilizations
>>18047505Based, fuck civilization.
>>18044832>>industrial genocide is normalThat was the soviets>>wars of annihilation are normalThat was the british
>>18044642>Massive Communist Threat to the East>Build entire nation on the idea that Communists are literal Satan>Signs a Non-Aggression Pact with them and agree to patition Poland between them???
>>18047641No, fuck germs.
>>18048178Did you forget that they broke it two years later and literally tried to exterminate the Soviets? That pact was just to buy Germany some time to deal with their other enemies before they could focus on the Soviets, without worrying about the USSR attacking them while the Germans were still fighting elsewhere.
>>18048302>That pact was just to buy Germany some time to deal with their other enemieslol. Sounds like there was a massive communist threat that Fascist Germany was taking lightly.But yeah. Give the Soviets the Baltics, Scandinavia, and half of Poland while you dick around over Europe pissing off and going to war your best possible allies against the commies for fuck all I guess. Then absolutely ruin your international credibility by blatantly breaking a non-aggression treaty, ensuring the allies will demand your unconditional surrender because they can't be sure you'll hold up your end of any bargain.Hard to tell if the Germans or the Dixoids chimped out harder, but I'm leaning towards the CSA.
>>18048396>going to war your best possible allies against the commies for fuck all I guessBritain and France were the ones who declared war on Germany, not the other way around.
>>18048449>Britain and France: Hey Germany, can you stop invading other countries? It's making us nervous. We already kind of let you get away with re-arming yourself and shit.>Germany: I'M GOING TO TAKE CZECHOSLOVAKIA!>Britain and France: O-Okay, Germany-kun. You can have it but that's it okay!? Definitely don't touch Poland! We're serious! Don't invade Poland or else we'll declare war on you!>Germany invades Poland>shockedpikachu.jpeg when Britain and France declares war as they said they wouldJust absolutely retarded chimp out.
>>18048469While we’re on the subject, if Britain and France were so anti-communist, why didn’t they declare war on the Soviets when they invaded Poland afterwards?
>>18048478Because the Germans promised not to invade Poland, claiming the Sudetenland was the last territorial concession during the Munich. So the Brits and Poles had a defense treaty where they promised to defend each other if attacked by some "European Power" which outsiders could interpret as the USSR or Germany.But the secret clause in the treaty spells it out clearly.>1. (a) By the expression "a European Power" employed in the Agreement is to be understood Germany. So the diplomatic overtures to Germany who were told basically to stop invading, and the treaty specified defense against Germany but not Russia or the USSR. Hence Britain and France declared war with Germany. I guess it didn't help that the USSR invaded like two weeks later, so France and Britain weren't interested in drawing a currently neutral USSR into a war against them.Really. Read a book instead of getting chud brainrot off CCP propo.I also don't think the British and France were as pro-communist as you imply. They were terrified of anything destroying the post-WW1 European order they established. And the Axis were currently breaking it. You might hate two fuckers in a room but one fucker is currently punching people in the face and the other is sitting in the corner minding his own business but being a smelly asshat. One is more immediate problem than the other.
>>18048495It’s not that I think Britain and France were pro-communist, it’s just that their approach towards the Soviets was too weak and based on convenience. Nazi Germany may have been a degenerate state but at least they were the only ones willing to go to war with the USSR. The idea that Britain and France could’ve been key anti-communist allies to the Germans is laughable, there was no missed opportunity there for Germany.
>>18044662Literally planned and prepared.You retards really think Europe would just sit by and watch Stalin conquer the continent if there was no Hitler?Fuck me you guys are like a cult. You cannot be reasoned with.
>>18048506>it’s just that their approach towards the Soviets was too weakThen explain what Britain and France should have done differently.
>>18048527Do what the Nazis did, invade them.
>>18048532When? At what point of time are you referring to?
>>18048525>Polish-Soviet War>Winter War>The entirety of the Cold WarIn these three instances their antagonism towards the Soviets never went beyond posturing, strongly worded letters, and distant proxy wars. With all that in mind, if Stalin had decided to go full throttle on Europe early on, things would’ve been grim with the Anglo-French cucks at the helm.
>>18048539shut up freak
>>18048539lol?>Polish-Soviet War, 1920sYeah, the British and French and their citizens were totally down for another war after 4 years of "The War to End All Wars". And the Soviets got beat back by the Poles so whatever.>Winter WarWahhh! Wahhh! Why didn't the British and French invade the Soviets while they were fighting Nazi Germany? Wahhhhh!>The entirety of the Cold WarOmg, why didn't the French and British invade the Soviets right after the near-apocalyptic World War 2 and everyone and their mom was exhausted of war? Omg, why didn't the French and British invade a nuclear armed power and potentially cause mutually assured destruction!?Get real, holy shit.
>>18048539>Polish-Soviet WarThis was part of the Russian Civil War.The western powers had armies in Russia trying to support a White Army victory.This was also immediately after ww1.No one can justify another war immediately after ww1.>Winter WarThey were at war with Germany at this time. Are you retarded? They're supposed to open a second front overseas against the Soviets?>The entirety of the Cold WarSo after they were exhausted from ww2 (and Britain did propose continue the war in 1945 so jokes on you retard) or shortly after when USSR had nukes Fuck me You're stupid.
I like how he just gave up after the first obvious response.As if he never actually thought this through himself.
>>18048178>>18048396Whats the problem with trying to undo Versailles AND rope the USSR into a war with Britain?Seems ideal if it had worked.>give the soviets the balticsWho? Germany? Germany didnt own the Baltics.>ScandinaviaWhen did the Soviets take Denmark?>half of PolandBritain didnt fire a single shot in defense of Poland from the Soviets.>ruin your credibilitycredibility? Germany was the only one who cared about credibility and was abused for doing so.>Germans or Dixoidsok so this is just some White-hating tranny, got it.
>>18048469>invading other countrieslike who?>take Czechoslovakiabut no one took Czechoslovakia????Hacha went to Hitler asking to become a Reichsprotectorate because the Poles invaded the North, the Hungarians the South, and the Slovaks rebelled.>the Western allies were forced to declare war on Germany over Polandwere they? I thought they had a choice?Why not give Germany its pre-Versailles territory?Answer this, IF, Germany receiving its pre-Versailles territory would have prevented World War, would it be worth it?>but Germany wouldnt stopnot what I asked.In this hypothetical, lets say restoring the German Empire in Europe would have prevented the war, would it be worth it to do so on the part of the British and French?
>>18048495>Germanswho's "Germans"?>not to invade Polandno one said this.>Sudete was the last concessionno one said this.>b-but Chamberlain said Hitler told himIf its not in a treaty it is not legally binding.>stop invadingbut Germany didnt invade a single country.>France and Britain werent interested in actually defending PolandDo you ever wonder why they were more concerned about Germany than about Germany's invasion of Poland?Besides, it was Poland who struck Germany first when they invaded Danzig in August 1939.>Axis were breaking the hegemony of Britain and Franceso what?>reddit analogynice.Anyway, we have the Blair leaks as of this week, its identical to the Churchill-Untermeyer and George-Weizmann relationship.Britain has been a country subservient to jews for three centuries.
>>18048525>you are in a cult because you point out speculation is weaker than historical evidence??????????????????????Stalin DID conquer the continent and the Western Europeans did literally nothing.>but they sure wanted toso what? Hitler actually had the balls to fight.
>>18048544>punching White people is le good
>>18048663Oh shut the fuck up, you Nazi krautnigger lover. Germany started both world wars, got fucked and paid for it dearly. End of story.
>>18048671>it was Poland who struck Germany first when they invaded Danzig in August 1939.Kek, the hell are you on about you dumb fuck? No, it fucking didn't you fucking cretin.
>>18048947>Poland didnt invade Danzig??? We have been over this, Poland in August of 1939 was stationing soldiers in Danzig, a free city guaranteed by Germany, this was an illegal act and an act of war.>>18048942>slavic ape noiseslol, let me get my amulet of monkeyspeak then you can reply to me.
>>18048961>guaranteed by GermanyGermany never gave a military guarantee to Danzig.Nice try tho.
>>18048961>guaranteed by GermanyGermany had no right over DanzigEven if they did there is still no justification to invade Poland since they immediately pulled their troops and apologized. Why did Germany NEED to invade Poland?
>>18044625Germany is on the border between Europe and the Slavic-Asiatic steppe. There are going to be skirmishes every now and then
>>18048980Shut the fuck up, you fucking sub-human. Look at your cities, you fucking vermin. You still wanna claim that you are superior? You are fucking animals, nothing more. I pray to god every day you fucking rot and die out. You contribute nothing to the world, and your numbers are only about 70 million. I think the world could do without 70 million psychopathic Germniggers.
>>18048993Yawn. Slavs are boring
>>18048978>since they immediately pulled their troops and apologizedHe's talking about 1939. Poland added roughly 120 men to the designated Westerplatte garrison, and armed the postal office.Obviously not designed to successfully resist any actual attack, more symbolic to show that they weren't going to back down.
>>18049003Not as boring as your loss in 1945.
>>18049020I'm a Finn. We repelled the Slavs in WW2 and will again
>>18049026You have't repelled shit though, kek. In 1940 and 1944 you have lost. But pleaes post that mongoloid sniper with deformed face and sperg out about ''muh K:D".
>>18048978>Why did Germany NEED to invade Poland?To get a border with the Soviets so that the Germans could invade them later.
>>18049090As I said, boring.
>>18049119You have lost.
>>18049126Slavs are wiping each other out in Ukraine
>>18048978>>18049017Regardless of if it was a true conquest of Danzig or not, it appeared to those in Danzig and to the Germans to be the opening move of an invasion.At this time the German generals had stated to Hitler they were not confident in their ability to defeat Poland.It only looks like Germany bullied Poland in hindsight.But in August 1939 it looked a lot more like Ukraine vs Russia where a smaller state can indefinitely roadblock a larger state.It looked to the Germans, who already thought their chances of victory over Poland were bad, they werent going to take Danzig in any reasonable time, which was the whole reason for going to war with Poland in the first place.We ultimately do not know if It was a Polish demonstration or the thin end of a full division.in any case its stupid to throw the blame on Germany when this was the moment of decision and it was Poland who made the first move.>Germany had no right over Danzigirrelevant.>why did Germany NEED to invade PolandThey didnt, they made the calculation that Britian wouldnt commit suicide over Poland, Germany was wrong because they underestimated the monumentally stupid foreign policy of Britain which was obvious to the Germans at the time but evidently not to the British.Germany knew if they lost the war, Britain would go extinct as well.For some reason Britain didnt know this??
>>18048993>>18049020>>18049090>Westerners do 90% of the heavy lifting>Slavs soak up German ammunition>Westerners drag slavs across the finish line>"b-but we took DA VARMLANDS OF BRANDENBURG"and America took the industrial heartland of Southern and Western Germany where it actually mattered.>b-but the politics of le reichstagits a building, an office for Germans to discuss politics. The engine of Germany was in the west.Slavs cant fight, and we knew this then, but today we have video evidence from Ukraine, where German tanks are blasting Slavic ones.
>>18049391Danzig, Breslau, and soon London all belong to Polish bvlls now. Cope
>>18048993What did they eat?
>>18049406oh wow busty polish teenagers are moving to a neighborhood near me, boo hooI lost my virginity to a polish mommy
>>18049714congratulations
>>18044642>>18044659>le communist threadYou could've stopped it in 1918 by supporting the White movement.
>>18049985The west did support the white movement you mong
>>18044642that was only a threat to the rich though, not to normiesand under the cautious Stalin it was only a threat to tiny countries without allies, until Hitler's disastrous war turned it into Europe's #2 power
>>18049132Still superior to Germs
>>18044625The jews waged a cold war of forced displacement, genocide, financial abuse and sexual depravity on them. Much like you see now.
>>18050117why did the racially superior germoids fall for it? shouldn't they be able to see the jewish tricks with their superior minds?
>>18049395>Westerners do 90% of the heavy liftingThey didn't it was the other way around retard.Russians obliterated Wehrmacht on the eastern front.>and America took the industrial heartland of Southern and Western Germany where it actually mattered.It didn't matter that much by April of 1945, and they only took it because most of Wehrmacht was near Berlin at the time.>where German tanks are blasting Slavic ones.No, they don't you dumb fuck. T55>>>>Leopard
>>18048674>HItler>Whose completely needless, pointless, war did so much damage to Britain, France, Germany and Eastern Europe in general that they no longer had the capacity to realistically fight off the Soviet push westwards at the end of Hitler's war. >Not that that stopped the UK from trying to put together plans to at least try, even though they were basically just a shattered shell of a country at that point (due to German aggression and war crimes), had to be held back by their American allies. >Hitler basically paved the way for the USSR to become a major power, and to occupy, fuck up, and shit all over everything and everybody east of the Iron Curtain>Retards like you still desperately lick the boots of a man who might as well have been a Russian agent answering to the Kremlin, because you kinda like some of the rhetoric you haven't bothered to read or engage with in any way. Yes, you are a cultist. Your thoughts on this point are not relevant, you literally lack the ability to think clearly, at least on this subject.
>>18050118Jews race-shift a lot so its easy to mistake them as human, even masquerading as German sometimes in order to sabotage the native population for profit. It takes a trained eye to be able to identify a jew.
>>18049391It wasnt true conquest. How could you possibly frame it that way? They stationed an additional 120 men in their designated area.Everyone is going to call you out on this blatant propaganda.There are multiple times when a stand-off has been reinforced beyond what is stipulated. for example during the Berlin crisis in 1960s both US and USSR militarized their share of the Berlin checkpoints with an additional dozens of tanks than what was allowed, they did it to send the message of standing firm, not because a handfull of tanks were going to realistically capture the city.Again, people are just going to become even more aggressive towards your narrative because it's just blatant propaganda trying to frame these additional men as an attempted conquest.And you saying that Germany was worried/unsure whether they could defeat Poland is absolutely propaganda and a lie. Not a single historian has ever said this, which means there is substantial evidence that they were confident in victory. The German airforce in 1939 was by far larger than even the western powers. Polish tanks were old vickers type while Germany had tens of thousands of the modern czech types.And they would invade for 4 different direction, plus it would be coordinated with the Soviets.None of this was ever discussed among the Germans. The main reason for urgency was the claim that ethnic Germans was being massacred. That was the reason for diplomacy no longer could continue.
>>18050123>they no longer had the capacity to realistically fight off the Soviet push westwards at the end of Hitler's war.Who do you think helped the Soviets do this? The Western Allies gave them enough lend lease to pull this off.
>>18050140Apophenia is not a beneficial evolutionary trait, it's literally a symptom of schizophrenia
>>18050560Are the allies supposed to be responsible for Hitlers war with the USSR?
>>18050580Only in the sense that they didn’t take decisive action against the Soviets before, possibly making the Nazis believe that they were the ones who had to do it. The Western Allies are responsible, however, for helping the Soviets defeat Germany, thereby paving the way for the USSR to become a superpower.
>>18044625Romantic nationalism is a hell of a drug.
>>18050594And the Allies are also the ones who defeated the USSR
>>18048557>>18048553Lmao he can't reply to these
>>18050736Every other country has that too, but when your country has experienced starvation & near extinction then you tend to act on impulse. If you've seen the anime Attack On Titan, where the main characters live in this pseudo Germanic setting, the theme of the story literally states that "inequality is inevitable" and that conflicts between humans is inevitable also. This is core to Carl Schmitt's ideology.
>>18050594So the allies are just supposed to stop trying to win the war because Hitler decided to invade Russia?
>>18050860>near extinctionGermany experienced near extinction?
>>18048553>>18048557All I’m seeing is that they were too afraid of what their people would think about a war against the Soviets. Coward behavior. Germany was just as depleted, and in some cases moreso, as Britain and France after WW1 but that didn’t stop them from deciding to eventually attack the USSR anyway. They didn’t have to worry about what their people would think about a decision like that.
>>18050390>tens of thousands of modern Czech types.Uhh...nah.
>>18048302amerimutt or brazilian?
>>18050947No, just don’t give the Soviets much in the way of lend lease so that more of Europe will fall into Western hands.
>>18049132Based, could you imagine a germcuck pulling the dildo out of his ass and picking up a rifle?
>>18050786You mean waited for the USSR to collapse on its own.
>>18050736Romanticism is XIX century, not XX
>>18044625It's what the Germs do. They were put here as God's way of balancing Europe against the rest of the world; and they do their job well, perhaps a little too well.
>>18051313That's the same thing you moron.If the allies don't aid the soviets then Germany will be stronger.What does the allies gain by letting Germany win in the east? It's going to make the war harder for them later.And they're not just going to pause the war because Hitler decided to attack Russia.I mean are you retarded? Have you not even considered this?The whole point of Lend-Lease was to keep the vast majority of the wehrmacht concentrated in the east. If they stop giving Lend-Lease then Germany can redirect forces to the west.The point if Lend-Lease is that for every German soldier fighting a Russian is one less German soldier fighting an American.There was also a worry from the allies that Stalin might entertain the idea of a seperate peace if he feels that the allies are intentionally holding back. He already felt that by the delay of a western front but the allies justified the delay with Lend-Lease.Your entire argument is that the allies needed to execute some 4D strategy with surgical precision and absolutely gamble the outcome of the war because of a situation Hitler had created, to course-correct a situation Hitler was creating. Stalins empire wouldn't have crossed the Vistula if it wasn't for the Ribbentrop pact and Barbarossa. The Germans fucked up and now it's the allies fault for not properly clean it up despite being at war.Holy fucking shit you're stupid. You have the mind of a child. You're not logical and you're not rational. Completely hijacked by ideology. The allies opposed the Soviets once the war was over and Ultimately won in 1990s, finally undoing Hitlers fuckery.And they did so without being complete psychopaths and starting ww3, which should be considered something good, not something bad.
>>18049985Most historically literate /his/torian.
>>18044625Ah Yes, no white nation had ever taken a war of conquest before Hitler. More babble frim ignorant history channel raised retards later...Reminder that Norman's litteralt were white Mongols just going around pillaging and raping n shiet. They conquered and slaughtered Sicily for the vibes, and repeatedly battled with the Greeks just cuz they were that niggardly
>>18050390It’s not a narrative you retard. This is what actually happened.>uh it wasn’t with a warThat isn’t your call to make.The Germans had reason to believe the Poles would take over Danzig wholesale.They moved in to stop this.The missive from Manstein to Hitler in August 1939 was “if you don’t give the order then call it off”
>>18051857It is a narrative moron. You're using assumptions based on anecdotes.The NARRATIVE You're creating, is that the reason Poland reinforced Westerplatte with an additional 100 men ergo they tried to capture the city ergo German invasion was in self-defense.You're using a single anecdote to make a very radical conclusion against the accepted conclusion that it was symbolic move of defience in a spat of heightened tension towards German war-scare and a potential attack to seize the city. It's called deterrence by presence, and it's used extensively in modern geopolitics to deter an attacker from seizing ground if it cannot be done without inflicting casualties in the process, thus triggering a wider war if they try, which they would want to avoid.The NARRATIVE You're trying to paint could be equally done at similar cases. For example USA raised it's military presence in Guantsnamo during the missile crisis. Your ilk could apply the same logic that this is proof that USA was preparing to invade, but it's bullshit, it was a show of force for deterrence. Again, the 1960s Berlin crisis was also when they increased military size beyond agreement as a deterrence, but your ilk would use this anecdote to create the assumption that the Soviets were preparing to capture the city, which is idiotic.There are countless of other examples. India and China constantly do this along their borders to deter potential landgrab during heightened tensions.Do you understand?Trying to frame an additional 100 men as some sort of preparation for invasion is so dumb when you look at the wider context of why it happened, as Germany and Poland were trading flexes to cave in to German demands. Poland did not even mobilize until the very last 24 hours before the Germans invaded.
>>18050580In a way yes, the Germans never would have gone eastward if the British had accepted peace in 1939 or 1940.>Germany would always go eastThis lie is propagated solely to absolve Britain of responsibility for prolonging the war.Whatever we speculate about possible alternatives. The German reason for going east was overtly stated as resources to fight the British Empire.Had there been peace the war would have ended. >it would began again!Maybe. But we can conclusively say it would have ended at least for a time had Britain accepted peace.>>18051439>Germany would be strongerHow? The Soviets would have fought them to the Urals no? Germany would be a pushover if they had to actively man that front.
>>18051962It’s not a narrative.>assumptionsSuch as? I am only using assumptions to fill in possibility. Not crafting a narrative. It is an objective fact the Germans invaded after the Poles entered Danzig. It is an objective fact they weren’t confident in the invasion of Poland.>anecdoteThat’s not what an anecdote is.>radical conclusionIt is only radical if you are ideologically anti-Nazi as opposed to unbiased.>it was symbolic defianceThen why was it secret?All evidence we have points to this being the thin end of a Polish occupation of Danzig. Why would they move heavy weapons into Danzig if it was merely for show? Why would they conceal their movements if it was to be overt?>deterrence by presenceAnd that is silly because the poles moved up the escalation ladder which Hitler had deliberately tried to prevent.>it’s used in modern geopoliticsYeah and America bombs Iran when they fortify their nuclear sites, Russia invades Ukraine when they purchase medium range ballistic missiles, the U.S. had a full readiness alert last month because China was sailing around Taiwan.This is escalatory and indicates hostility.>preparation for an invasionIt IS an invasion. It is by definition an invasion. It is a very small invasion but still an invasion.Furthermore if China were to move a small number of soldiers into Taiwan or Russia a small number of soldiers into Poland, would the US/NATO be justified in declaring this an invasion and launching a counter attack?yes I think they would. If a foreign force regardless of number penetrates your border, you are within your rights on the escalation ladder to declare war in self defense.
So what do you guys think that if you rewind human history all the way back and figure out whodunnit first you have also found justification for whatever wild nonsense you're tied up in today? Is that what we're trying to simple brain wrangle our way towards?
>>18051857>The Germans had reason to believe the Poles would take over Danzig wholesale.Every poster who brings up danzig needs to be shot, you guys are so fucking retarded. The city takes up 50% of your brain.
>>18052119>Not crafting a narrativeYes you are.>It is an objective fact they weren’t confident in the invasion of Poland.No it isn't. >the escalation ladder which Hitler had deliberately tried to prevent.No he didn't. He threatened war.>This is escalatory and indicates hostility.It's blatant propaganda and everyone will call you out on it, regardless of what you think.Not even Hitler himself motivated the invasion by your arguments. He motivated the urgency of invasion by ethnic Germans being supposedly massacred. Every single ww2 historian will call you out on this.
Occupation of the Ruhr
>>18051857Danzig was a League of nations city.If anything it's the League of nations who will respond if Poland seize the city, not Germany.Germany was not even a part of League of nations, so they absolutely had no jurisdiction to enforce League of nations rules.
>Poland moved 116 soldiers into a barracks in Danzig when they're only allowed to move 100 soldiers there?>Better burn down all of Europe and kill tens of millions of white people
>>18052223Its the ultimate argument isn't it?
>>18052090Hitler in 1934 said that they have to invade east 1942 the latest
