The only reason that Christianity still exists after Friedrich Nietzsche is simply because most people have not read Nietzsche. That’s it. He destroyed it, exposed it once and for all as a pitifully cuckolded Jewish slave religion that promotes anti-self and anti-life values, and closed the book on it. Christianity has already been defeated.
>the entire first half of the Christian Bible is literally just the Jewish TorahIf you identify as a Christian you have no dignity as male whatsoever. Your mouth should just be pissed in any time you open it to speak, because you are an utterly spineless cuckold.
>>18045277The cucked parts come from the New Testament, the OT is actually pretty based and not cucked. If you discard the jesus part and the bible isn’t that bad.
>>18045274Nietzsche saw all religions as shit.
>>18045288>God praises Abraham for faithfully agreeing to burn his son alive to prove he was a true believer >celebrates this with a pact to forever mutilate the penises of innocent children to show that they are “chosen”Maybe it’s time for a review
>>18045292He implicitly respected pagan values and greatly admired the Romans
>>18045296And what does the Romans have to do with this? Just because they were Catholic? Nietzsche's parents were Lutherans, and his grandparents were Protestant pastors.
>>18045294That was literally the review of the time. If your "god" called on you to take your child's life then you must. Circumcisions gross though. Either do both sexes or neither. Muslims are the only ones to practice this fairly.
>>18045302No the Romans who killed Jesus, who were polytheistic pagans, you fucking subtard.
>>18045304You just had to specify it before, faggot.
>>18045274He didn’t really bring anything new to the table with respect to Christianity unless you never read a history book I guess. He doesn’t even question the validity of Christianity or not. He simply says it’s out of style and a new religion that replaces it should be the one that I made up with my ethics instead.
>>18045303When people say deliberately obnoxious and puerile shit like this they are signalling low self esteem.
>>18045308Thinking that the phrase “the Romans” implicitly means Catholics rather than pagans, especially on a topic like this, means you don’t belong on a history and humanities forum. You are gated by your IQ
>>18045314No that isn’t what he says you retard. You’re referring to another separate idea of his, that “God is dead”. This is entirely separate from his he try lengthy and detailed critique of Christianity in The Antichrist
>>18045274Nietzsche's philosophy is just a secularized form of Pietism.
>>18045328>when a stupid faggot “tries his hand” at philosophy
>>18045330not an argument you fucking nigger.
>>18045331You didn’t make one either shit eating retard, you just made a statement backed by nothing
>>18045334why did your carer decide to give you internet access today?
>>18045274He went insane because of his bad conscience he, wasn't actually as cruel as he might have wanted to be...
>>18045348It’s really funny how “moral” people are so cruel and sadistic like this, mocking someone’s illness and weaponising it against them because you can’t argue with their philosophy
>>18045351Nietzsche was a gay retard.
>>18045351I'm not moral nor am I mocking him, I'm just saying I believe he went insane because he realized he couldn't be as cruel as his overman needed to be.
>>18045274>>18045327Both the crystal-astrology-wiccan-ancestral-magic meme on the left and the esoteric-perennialist-Guenon-Evola-Schopenhauer-Nietzsche meme on the right are traps to pull people away from the light of God and towards the pantheistic antichrist system of the Gnostics and freemasons.
>>18045357have you read Spengler's take on Nietzsche? He said Nietzsche's "Ăśbermensch" archetype was actualized in the rise of self-made factory owners like Henry Ford.
>>18045274ironically he admired Jews
>>18045304>>18045274>>18045327Why are you riding this guy like a submissive 1950s wife? You arebaccusing the other anonymous people of having read those mediocre books, but apparently, or rather, conveniently, you ignore many factors that could compromise your personal view of the madman in question. Nietzsche, the madman, was a sexually deviant lunatic who hated his own cultural identity. Evola represents the speculative and occultist arm of modernism, rather than the materialist one. His "traditionalism" is just a Gnostic esoteric role-playing game of mash-up and maxim; their knowledge of paganism and European history, like yours, is questionable at worst and retarded at best. Your masturbatory idol was so pro-European that when Nietzsche compared the Arabs to the European Crusaders, he barked that the Assassins were superior in spirit to the Europeans because they had renounced the truth in their creed: >Nothing is true, everything is permittedNow that's a fucking pro-European person.
>>18045357Nah you clearly want to believe that sadistically because you felt scared and threatened by his amoral philosophy because you are the weak person he was describing. There would at least be dignity in admitting that
>>18045376Could it be that Vargs, the pagan daddy, got this idea from the Arabs? I wouldn't be surprised.
>>18045381What?
>>18045384Vargs a while ago legitimized the Arabs saying that they saved Europe or something like that, I think he got it from there
>>18045372jews = master moralitychristcattle = slave morality
>>18045388Why is Netanyahu sitting with a Jeffrey Dahmer victim
>>18045379>because you are the weak person he was describing.Indeed I am, but so was he.
>>18045376>if you like any philosopher you are gay and want to fuck himRetard
>>18045395No he wasn’t. To have such an unflinching view of the truth, no matter what, requires immense mental strength and also strength of character. That’s why you hate him and try to tear him down to your level.
>>18045388>>18045376I find it intriguing how people like the OP, who are probably in high school, treat Superman as some kind of paladin of paganism and classical culture, but it turns out that Nobody tell the Nietzsche bros this, but "slave morality" is acting white. If it weren't for that, I would think an Indian from Punjab had written this: all those who despise Europeans are their enemies. Period.
>>18045407Europeans are their own enemies
>>18045405He went insane in the quest for truth, because at the end of the day he wasn't the right material for his overman, end of story. I also don't hate him, why would I?
>>18045397It's not a matter of liking, you emotional faggot. You're taking advantage of his "philosophy" to the detriment of things you barely know. These authors have no plan, no vision, no real sense of history. That's the problem.They deny that such things are even possible. They're as much prisoners of modernity as liberals. Some Post-Enlightenment death spiral shitty that lacks any true sense of history i.e cynical cosmopolitanism of Nietzsche and Schopenhauer will not save us or nothing>>18045407He really hated European culture, isn't
>>18045415>>18045388look at desuarchive.org they are the same images as always funny sometimes I think it is the same person
>>18045407>but "slave morality" is acting white.That is a direct result of christian morality imposed on white people. Pre-christian europeans had a totally different set of moral values
>>18045407You've never heard of bleachright have you?
>>18045274Nietzscheanism is simply moving from a life denying morality (Christianity) to a life affirming morality. In this sense morality means a set of 'rules of engagement' that dictate our every action. His life affirming morality means effectively focusing on oneself, ones growth and betterment.
>>18045274>lives like a hermit>is mentally illWhy would I take advice from someone so miserable? Sometimes being nice just feels good.
>>18045576>Why would I take advice from someone so miserable?
>>18045424You’re positing no alternative because your alternative is to be a gay christcuck and you’re ashamed to admit it because you know it’s pathetically gay deep down
>>18045416He contracted syphilis. You can’t “go catatonic” from philosophy. That is your childlike understanding of mental illness based on TV and movies
>>18045655>The guys whose primary philosophy was loving life no matter what is “miserable”You are miserable and projecting your own misery out of resentment
>>18045659There is no evidence he had syphilis.
>>18045274Nietzsche famously exposes Protestantism, not Christianity per se. I've read his Gay Science and while he's no doubt extremely sharp and intelligent, I cannot say that his ideas reach the same depth religion does. Props to him for trying to articulate the crisis of meaning and participation though, that's a solid contribution.
>>18046098There’s no evidence he “went insane from philosophy”, that is pathetic imaginary coping like believing that people with “split personalities” actually exist. You have a childlike cartoon mind
>>18045274You've never read Nietzsche. I have. He's very boring and trite. The Jordan Peterson of his day.
>>18046117>“Oh no no, it’s only Protestantism that preaches being a gay pathetic cuck. The other forms of Christianity are different somehow in a way I won’t actually specify because I can’t”Nice try faggot. Carry this fucking shame until the day you die. Scared of the existential unknown so you choose to suck circumcised Jew dicks and kiss nigger feet. Utterly fucking pathetic
>>18046768All philosophers are extremely boring and tedious to read, Nietzsche being the least so. And yes I have read the Antichrist. You just projected because you were a pretentious Nietzsche quoter who hadn’t actually read any Nietzsche until very recently in life when you forced yourself to do so purely so you could make pretentious comments like this
>>18046783>You just projected because you were a pretentious Nietzsche quoter who hadn’t actually read any Nietzsche until very recently in life when you forced yourself to do so purely so you could make pretentious comments like thisNo, your pattern recognition is completely worthless.
>>18046797>suspiciously doesn’t correct meDo you swear on your mother’s life, or may she die in her sleep tonight, that you were never a Nietzsche quoter before you read Nietzsche and didn’t force yourself to slog through his work so you would have credibility in conversations like these Yes or no
>>18046797You made your accusation based on nothing, which is ALWAYS projection. There was no “misunderstanding” of Nietzsche’s philosophy that you were calling out. You simply threw out “I BET you’ve never read Nietzsche” as a hopeful gambit, because you knew that applied to you at one point.
>>18045274Nietzche is just the 19th century Jordan Peterson and just like Peterson his ramblings are a pastiche of nonsense that midwife somehow think is profound because they confuse rambling for deep thinking.
>>18047030>advocates the complete opposite of the Christian morality that Jordan Peterson preaches Stupid faggot. Don’t try to talk again, it’s useless and worthless when you do.
>>18045274The reason people believe Christianity is because of Stockholm Syndrome and the lack of a serious alternative. In The Bible it says you will go to Hell for all eternity if you don't worship Jesus. That's a hard bargain so they would rather believe that Yahweh is good and loves them so they don't go to Hell. Zoroastrianism would make the best alternative but there's not 2000 years of accessible thought surrounding it.
I've read Nietzsche, and he does not understand what the fuck he's talking about. His perspective on Christianity only holds if you, yourself, do not really understand it at all.
>>18047198Literally this. They see the modern world and think its Christianity in its purest form even though its the polar opposite.
>>18047198>>18047217>says he is “wrong about Christianity”>doesn’t correct him >because you can’t Nobody believes you faggots. You don’t have a “secret answer hidden up your sleeve”, you are just coping because you suck Jewish rabbi dick and feel ashamed about it.
>>18047183Nah it’s not even fear of hell. It’s fear if the unknown. The idea of chaos or uncertainty is inherently terrifying to genetically weak males, so they cling to anything that gives them an answer, even if it’s humiliating and Jewish like Christianity
>>18045354Average Christian analysis
>>18045274You have read The Antichrist, have you? It does not sound like it. Don't start with Zarathustra. Try Twilight of Idols, or beyond good and evil. I think he makes a fairly well nuanced critique.Btw, his philosophy is not everyone. Only particular types are amene to it. >>18045314Nietzsche's dedicated critique in The Antichrist is very original. But yes, he doesn't really get into the theology or anything. Would be below him. His criticism is of the real aspects of christianity, and some light textual criticism too iirc.It is an interesting book. Exquisitely written to.>>18045348Dumbass. He had a brain condition of some sort. Traditionally believed to be Neurosyphilis, but it's not a sure thing.Imo, it's a shame his mind went before he could comment on the New Germania fiasco. I wish he would have lived long enough for that.>>18046117He goes very hard on all forms of Western Christianity. The reformation and the Counter-reformation. And also Eastern Orthodoxy, which he came into contact with through Dostoyevsky.>>18047198May you illuminate us? Smugly gesturing toward a vague shadow is not conducive to good discussion.
>>18045274Christianity will be truly defeated when a viable attractive alternative exists. That's what he wanted his readers to create.
>>18045274>>18045277Shut the fuck up, you haven't read Nietzche. Nietzche didnt hate Christianity because it wasnt abrasive, aggrandizing or indulgent enough. He despised master morality, not as much as slave morality but considered it regressive.The real problem of Christian aestheticism and morality is that it gets in the way of love, it affirms everything that puts us in a state of lacking drives and affects and essentially treats death as preferable to living. This stands contrary to love which is the only way to be life affirming, to chose life is to chose love. You embrace all the affect the inevitable drawbacks and forget yourself in the passions of being human.
>>18047436>Christian morality gets in the way of love>muh love>forget yourself in the passions of being humanNice try Bacchus
>>18047469Love is not pleasure my friend, its sad that you associate this with love. Love is dangerous, it forces you out of the routines of life and dares you to give up everything for it. Their are no living organisms without affects and drives and love is affects and drives self-directed. If you dont believe in love then you are anti-life.
>>18045274Christianity was demolished by Epicurus centuries before Christianity even started though.
>>18047418Christianity will be defeated when every human is literate and has access to clean drinking water. That's it. Intellectually it has been a shambling corpse for a long, long time.
>>18047217Please explain how America 2020 and since isn't peak Christianity.
>>18047383Have you read Max Scheler's Ressentiment? Its the only good faith and honest engagement with Nietzche from a Christian perspective ive encountered. Most Christians fear Nietzche like the ones in this thread who can't ever actually form a substantive criticism because he hits too hard. Scheler's view of Christianity is very unconventional however.
The Eternal Return was revealed to me when I was on mushrooms. It's a wild ride. Everything is repeating, nothing dies. Much like OPs insatiable desire for cocks.
>>18047476>Love is not pleasure my friend, its sad that you associate this with love.I don't. I'm calling you irrational.
>>18047482>Christianity will be defeated when every human is literateilliterate humans are reproducing rapidly as we speak
>>18047499No, first time I hear about it. But thanks for telling me about it.
>>18045274>Polish Jew-Loving Sperg LibtardRemind me why I’m supposed to respect this guy over his gigachad wignat antisemitic sister?
>>18045388KEK why is there a nugget hanging out with that vampire?
>>18047583>If I take this man's writings out of context without understanding what he says maybe I can trick these los blancos into thinking Nietzsche was philosemitic even though he advocated for the mass extermination of jews and maybe los blancos will fall for Rebbe Yeshu then and let me stay in their countries instead of deporting me back to Nicaragua O algo
>>18045274Nietzsche never disproved the existence of God, he never addressed prime mover arguments or ontological arguments. He kind of just arrived and immediately assumed these ancient arguments were invalid, with no reason given why, then started yapping on that premise.
>>18047664>Rebbe YeshuIt's this dude again. He has been spamming shit like this for years. Either a bot or a severe autist.
>>18047671Arguments like those don't make Christianity the correct religion
>>18047682Makes it more correct than atheism.
>>18047686They're flawed arguments though and you can just ask AI if you want to know why
>>18047674>It is not possible that multiple people are tired of my shit O algo
>>18047695Okay, but how does Nietche explain the shroud of Turin?
>>18045274>... and remember, bash ALL idols, lest you will be a slave >wow Nietzsche, so true, so based, you are trully my idol
>>18045277You forgot pedophilia in the Roman side, many if not most prominent politicians had at one point groomed boys
>>18047746Actually oriental despotates from which Judeo-Christians hailed invented pederasty and were projecting when they accused the Romans of it.
>>18047671He does so in previous works.>>18047729How does Nietzsche explain Jesus Christ appearing on a piece of toast?
>>18047671Nietzsche on the Anti-Christ attacks Christianity as it exists in reality, rather than its phantasms. Against the hidden god, the thing-in-itself he wrote elsewhere at length.Imo, it's a strength of The Antichrist.
20th century has been nothing but following Nietzsche and look where we are now. Nothing good ever came out of it. Fruits of the poisonous tree.
>>18045325coping cuttie
>>18045430No they didnt.
>>18048163Au contraire. 20th was the product of not following Nietzsche. The 55 years after WW2 were, anyway.
>>18048199Exactly, post ww2 has been an era of re-Christianization of Europe and America with disastrous results. Remember that Jimmy Carter was the first president to effectively use the Evangelicals.
>>18045274Everyone should read "Twilight of the Idols". It's just great prose, if nothing else. A bit gets lost in translation, but most of it holds up very well. He's basically just a slightly more serious Mark Twain, but not much. Fred was a funny Lad and could cut mofos to the bone with single phrase.
>>18045354"gay-ish", but so are all philhellenes, but certainly not retarded. He was the greatest, young classicist of his day. Keep on hatin', Heeb ;)
>>18045562Correct! He is the ULTIMATE WHITE PILL.......and that's why """they""" try to dismiss his writings. Fred knew that out "Dear Leaders" and "beloved institutions" were already toast in his own time and he could see to our current present with near perfect prescience. Art and the Humanities are the only thing that will save Humanity in the end. Not "god(tm)". Not the govt. Not luck. Be your own sculpture.
>>18046117he wasn't trying to invent a religion. just the opposite. he was born and bred a Lutheran, who was on his way to seminary, just like his father. why would he know or care one bit about the Catholics? LOL! You can always tell when the nay-sayers have been rekt, when they go from overt dismissiveness to this sort of blasé, casual dismissal.......as if they have an intellect, or accomplishments of their own. "Yeah, he's "ok", but he's no me, amirite?" Ok smarty-pants. Share you greatest writings and philosophical insights. Then do it in PERFECT ancient Greek, Latin and German. If dumb ol' Fred could do it, so can you. Right? ;)
>>18046765Correct. His dad had the same debilitating neurological condition(no one is sure what) and it had already started taking a toll as he was finishing school. "Modern Medicine" was still in very, very early days and anything "neuro" was virtually nonexistent. About all they had was morphine and laudanum. Pick your poison. If the disease doesn't get you, the "medicine" will. People were still swallowing mercury pills and crazy shit at this time too. Hell, I've worked with docs that were still using chloroforms as anesthetic for surgery. The Past(tm) is a lot more recent than people think.
>>18046768LOL! no. He was the greatest young classicist and prose author of his day and all of contemporary German can be traced back to his and Goethe's influence on the language. Try harder, Heeb ;)
>>18048320Walter Kaufman has the best translation that preserves his wit, your right that it is the best work to start on for Nietzche because it dispels all the stupid notions about what his writings are about and what he's going for.Time and Free Will by Henri Bergson also does this and I recommend anyone getting started to read it beside Nietzche.
>>18048402Isn't the Kaufman translation really bad in that it often changes the sentences in order to come across as less racist?
>>18048434Thats the only complaint ive heard of Kaufmann, that he changed one translation in beyond good and evil and wrote man instead of the common translation of "Rasse", race. Its pretty stupid I'll admit but it doesnt change the meaning at all because race was simply used to describe "a kind of human being" not the normative use of classified races. Its entirely negligible.
>>18048496Viva la Rasa! Hmmm, looks like certain folks are allowed to use it all they want. Having Kaufman(literally means "merchant") as your translator also dispels any of the rayciss shit. Again, FN is just a classically trained Twain. A smart, sassy, sardonic sage. You can't read either and be unaffected. Twain was a great Germanophile and even begrudgingly admitted FN was right about most things, even if he thought his delivery was a bit too direct, but that's just a cultural/linguistic quirk. "It's awful undermining to the intellect, German is; you want to take it in small doses, or first you know your brains all run together, and you feel them flapping around in your head same as so much drawn butter." - A Tramp AbroadI'd love to get Nietzsche, Twain and Vonnegut in a room together. They could have a mustache contest too.
>>18048721>A smart, sassy, sardonic sage. You can't read either and be unaffected.I havnt read Twain but I think Nietzche has more to offer than his prose and wit. His engagement is mostly against Hegel, although idealism had long fallen out of favor before Nietzche's lifetime, no serious dismantling of the system found in the Science of Logic had been worked out. This is where Nietzche's flat ontology comes in and this is why I think everyone should read Bergson and Pierre Klossowski's Nietzche and the Vicious Circle after going through the Gay Science. Did Mark Twain know of Nietzche? I dont think Nietzche's works could have reached America that early, even if he was had reached a prestige within his lifetime.
ITT: Religious retards trying to salvage sky daddy instead of manning up and facing the horrors
>>18045274Jesus was an Ăśbermensch
>>18047729it's fake. people called it fake the same decade it appeared on display. https://edition.cnn.com/2025/09/04/science/shroud-of-turin-oresme-philosopher
>>18049144true, at least Nietzsche thought so. His followers are subhuman though.
>>18048819Yes, Twain knew about Nietzsche quite well. His female secretary was a big fan and pestered Twain until he read some of his work. He was basically in agreement on all the big points (Christianity = bad and dead; Reason over religion)Both were prose authors by trade, but became "philosophers"/voices of their generation by default. Twain was a charmer and Fred was a bookish academic type, but they both had the same basic "Humanitarian" world view.(i.e. if anyone is going to "save us", it's going to have to be us, not god)
>>18049199Okay, but how does Nietzhe explain near death experiences?
>>18049701"fever dreams" and bad brain chemicals, like his own.
>>18045274This midwit was so cringe.
>>18049773Please, share your own writings and philosophical insights with the group. We'd love to learn from you most august and regal prose.
>>18050691>Why us latinx are la raza cosmica>Part 1: E Holmes sometimes after I eat los burritos from el Taco Bell I shit blood O Algo....>Part 4325329: If Hesus isn't real then I will feel like a subhuman bastard race, and that would make me upset, so Hesus must be real ese.
>>18050711Imagine if a bunch of Gringos went around chanting "Long live the Race" as a point of "cultural pride" and "worker solidarity". When do we get to do that?
>>18047695>They're flawed arguments though and you can just ask AIThe absolute state of atheists"But chatgpt says God doesn't exist!"
>>18046774>Scared of the existential unknownExistential unknown is no different from all other unknowns. You can revel in the ignorance or you can not. I choose not to.>>18048350>he was born and bred a LutheranAnd this was the Christianity he responded to. It has nothing to do with me as a believer. If you think it does, please show me. I guarantee it will be tangentially related to me.>You can always tell when the nay-sayers have been rekt, when they go from overt dismissiveness to this sort of blasé, casual dismissal.......So the more casual the more serious. A perfect contradiction in terms. I'm hoping English will be fine here.
>>18047723>multiple people have the exact same mannerisms, language, and batshit insane seething hatred of Jesus while referring to him in the exact same way in a dumbass attempt to conflate him with modern day Talmudic Jews.
>>18045274Ironically this post tells me that you have never read Nietzsche, or if you did read him you did not fully understand him. His points of merit were always surrounding his condemnation of the man who claimed virtue when it was really just the inability to act. He judged that the world would slowly lose religion and therefore men must be reminded that wasting your life was a consequence all in itself, you must act or be subjugated.
>>18047076Peterson doesn’t preach Christian morality. He doesn’t even preach that God is real. Enjoy burning.
>>18045277Tick tock. :)
>>18052004"Do or do not. There is no try." -Yoda (not a Jew)
>>18045407>Nietzsche chose to give himself syphilis Stopped reading your gay ass drivel right there, he didn't even have syphilis
>>18045357The idea that people can think themselves into a decade-long catatonic state is romantic but very untrue. He was incredibly sick for all of his life and then finally the sickness claimed him.
>/poltranny thread of highschool kids arguing about Christianity not Nietzsche have sex
>>18045576>>18045655>>18045669Uhh, are you talking about Nietzsche or Jesus?
>>18047436>>18047469>>18047476Love is metaphysical.
