Why is "Axis victory in WW2 and Nazi Germany taking over the world" the most popular alternate history setting?
Because its the one that contrasts the most from our own? What a retarded question
>>18047889Why isn't "Sowiet victory in Cold War" more popular then?
>>18047892"For all Mankind" literally got 4 seasons. You're just inventing shit to get upset about
>>18047892Because the prior predates the cold war. Going back farther in time is more interesting because it gets more speculative.
>>18047893>one show vs hundredsFuck off cunt. Kill yourself in Minecraft.
>>18047886Why to OP fed Israeli threads on /his/ involve or always lead to Hitler.I know why.Regardless.Get new material please.
>>18047897>hundredsI bet you can't even name 10 shows with this premise you dumb cunt
>>18047903Fatherland (1993)? The new Peacemaker show? The new announced Wolfenstein show? Probably also some shit from the 70s/80s.
>>18047886People like to imagine a better world
>>18047895The cold war ended almost 40 years ago. How much longer does it have to be?
>>18047906Theres a lot of literature about what would happen if the soviets won, such as The Road.
>>18047903Go fornicate with an iron stick tosspot.
>"America becomes Nazi after Germany Wins"My question is why is it always this premise? This sounds more like a Chud power fantasy. It also ignores the war in the Pacific entirely, which the United States still could've won.I think a much more likely alt-his scenario that involved Nazis winning in Europe would involve the CIA and British MI6 spending the 20th century waging proxy warfare in continental Europe by funding color revolutions and guerilla campaigns against the Nazis similar to how the United States meddled in South America. But obviously this scenario is too grounded to be marketable or interesting to a general audience. The image of Nazi banners draped over the White House is just too striking of an image.
>Jews control all media>Jews have nazis as central bad guy in their faith>Jews place nazis in anything and everything they can>Jews keep making Nazis look awesome and their society orders of magnitude better than current jewish societyNazi's image will be completely rehabilitated by jewish hands within 20 years. People are already saying "wait the hitler youth didnt cut off their kids genitals and change their pronouns? I want that, we need that"
>>18047913Its not always the premise, heres the map from "Fatherland" which is considered the best of these types of novels
>>18047913>It also ignores the war in the Pacific entirely, which the United States still could've won.If Nazi Germany won WW2 in Europe, why wouldn't it go after America in petty revenge for helping Britishers, French rebels and Russians?In the Man In the High Castle, Germany nukes Washington and threatens the U.S. to surrender. Sounds plausible enough for me.
>>18047923This assumes that Germany could just magically rebuilt the postwar ruins of Europe overnight. Even post-Marshall Plan Europe took at least a couple of decades to reindustrialize
>>18047923>Nazi Germany>nukesLooooooooooool
>>18047927Most of these novels dont have germany bombed to ruins by the americans. If the tide of the war goes up to the nazis outside moscow, then changes to them actually taking moscow and russia surrendering, etc, theres no rebuilding of europe needed.
>>18047934Unitedstatians stealered the bomb from the Germans. !!! FACT !!!
>>18047886It gets fetishized by midwits as either the ultimate dystopia or the ultimate utopia depending on one's ideological leanings.Personally, I think the only way Nazi Germany could have realistically "won" WWII (the best they could have ever hoped for was a negotiated peace that allowed it to keep some of its ill-gotten gains) would have necessitated giving up on its more insane and genocidal fantasies such as the Final Solution and Generalplan Ost. But at that point, it would just be watered down into being generic pre-WWI German imperialism with better aesthetics and it likely wouldn't last as Hitler's style of leadership was not conducive to long-term sustainability.But of course no one wants to see the Third Reich succumb to cultural and economic stagnation the way that the Soviet Union did because that's boring. They either want to see it crash and burn or actually become the Thousand Year Reich.
>>18047913Because the alternative is basically just a rehash of the Cold War but with America doubling down on social progressivism as anyone with conservative or reactionary leanings can simply be branded a Nazi agent like some perverse form of Red McCarthyism.
>>18047892Because there's no possible scenario in which that would occur. No point of divergence exists anywhere in history where things turning out a different way would have led to permanent global communism. Ultimately, the Soviets weren't "defeated" in the normal sense, they just followed the natural course of their system of government to its predetermined conclusion. To change that conclusion, human nature itself would have to be different, and that doesn't make for very interesting stories because they don't feel grounded in reality. In contrast, the Nazis were defeated militarily, so we never really got to see how Nazism would have turned out in the long run. It leaves more room for speculative fiction that feels plausible to the reader.
>>18047886because fascism is the natural but morally "forbidden" development of liberalism. its sort of like rape fantasies among women; they don't actually want to get raped for real but the idea of being raped is hot. stories like this give liberals a release valve for their fascist tendencies without actually making a fascist dictatorship.>>18047982there's no possible scenario the nazis win ww2 either retard
>>18047923how exactly was nazi germany going to get troops to the new world? the us used britain as a staging ground for its invasion, they didn't sail straight from new york to normandy. canada obviously wasn't going to let germany land troops there, mexico or any caribbean country would be annexed if the us got even a hint that they were going to let german troops stage therethis is beyond retarded /pol/tranny circlejerking>germany nukes washingtonnuclear physics was jewish science and illegal in germany you utter mongoloid
>>18047886Because no one wants to make a "Slave empire of the confederacy" movie
>>18047886>>18047892Because subconsciously, writers are intrigued by what could've been under Axis utopia. Nobody yearns for yet another failed communist experiment.
>>18047886Is this show any good?
Americans can't get enough of ethical fiction.
>>18048183The first two seasons are worth a watch.
>>18048092Theres some scenarios where the nazis could have had favorable outcomes like if they stopped at Austria and turned the world against the Soviets when/if they invaded Poland or if the USA didnt get involved at all since the lend lease program gave the soviets the supplies they needed to survive. The problem with these scenarios is they dont make for good netflix slop
>>18048183>Is this show any good?lol noNot for any lack of trying, the source material is just utterly shit
>>18048092>fascism is the natural but morally "forbidden" development of liberalismfascism is as much a development of liberalism as communism, both were developed in opposition to it
>>18047886People are gay and uninspired
>>18047892Because the Nazi's are portrayed as a bigger evil meaning their victory in ww2 functionally become more enticing.The average person, including the types to make shitty, low-research althist scenarios, knows far less about the Soviets then the Nazi's anyway, which probably helps
>>18048092>fascism is the natural but morally "forbidden" development of liberalismNazism isFascism is the "natural but morally "forbidden" development of" Marxist Syndicalism
Persecution complex off the charts
>>18047886Because Hitler is at this point more popular and marketable than sex itself. Ok, maybe I'm exaggerating but you get the idea.
>>18047905This
>>18047950You've got it backwards. Social progressism was fueled by a need to not have the Soviets look "better", and of course activists who were more or less in league with the Soviets and had delusions of eventually instigating a communist revolution.Things would probably go very differently if the Cold War was against some kind of Nazi empire instead.
>>18048412Fascism is the logical conclusion of the hyperlogical part of modernity. The old timey explorers that were going around measuring various peoples' penis sizes and heights and assessing who was a martial race and who wasn't and which castes in india are best for what.
>Why isn't "Sowiet victory in Cold War" more popular then?Because a timeline where all conflict has been resolved and where humanity lives in eternal peace and prosperity would make for a pretty boring setting for a story
>>18047886Because people realized America fought on the wrong side
>>18047886Real answer: because writers lack imagination.Thinking up a scenario based on what if Napoleon won or the Black Death never happened takes real effort and writers are lazy.Far easier to go "what if le nazis won? OMG we would live in le fascist dystopia" than put any effort into thinking of the ramifications of other events happening.
>>18048303>if the nazis just stopped being nazis they could've won the war that never would've started!there are no possible scenarios in which germany wins ww2. all attempts to find one are either neonazi copium overdoses, or morons suggesting timelines where the nazis stop believing their core beliefs.>fascism is as much a development of liberalism as communismI mean sure you can look at it that way in the sense that neither could be developed until liberalism had become hegemonic and its contradictions were staring you in the face>both were developed in opposition to itlmao no. fascism is not opposed to liberalism. fascism is liberalism when the carrot stops working and all you have left is the stick. it continues liberal class structures but maintains them through raw violence rather than a mixture of legal force and rewards for voluntary compliance. socialism completely rejects liberal class structure.there's a reason the fascists and nazis never nationalized industry but instead forced all workers to accept the conditions given by the capitalists. they wanted to use ~class collaboration~ as the magic cure-all to stop workers from hating the owners despite keeping the relationship between workers and owners exactly the same
>>18047886This show's arc was funny as fuck>Season 1: People start to notice that this "Dystopian future" actually looks BETTER than the current USA>Season 2: They go full retard to attack people "misunderstanding the message"
>>18047982That wasn't real communism.
>>18047892Retrofuturist scenarios where Cold War never ended and Soviets and/or Chinese commies are part of the space colonization race has some (but still niche) prominence in grounded and hard-ish scifi TTRPGs.
>>18047886>Why is "Axis victory in WW2 and Nazi Germany taking over the world" the most popular alternate history setting?Taboo intrigue. There are enough people alive today who would genuinely prefer to live in such a world as well. People who hate Nazism above all else also enjoy seeing Nazis being killed in movies while IRL fascists are slowly but surely gaining political influence.>>18048092>there's no possible scenario the nazis win ww2...>>18050009>fascism is not opposed to liberalismReluctantly being allowed to own private property *at gunpoint by the state* while you don't have any human rights to speak of and you'll have to try your best to economically serve your Nation or race at the threat of execution isn't a very liberal setup but okay. You're just mad the National Socialists didn't kill the rich.
>>18047950That's already kind of happening
>>18047950>a rehash of the Cold War but with America doubling down on social progressivism as anyone with conservative or reactionary leanings can simply be branded a Nazi agent like some perverse form of Red McCarthyismWow, that's crazy dude! Haha! Imagine if we lived in this world!
>>18050329Season 2 was kino though. It was 3 and 4 that sucked
>>18048420this
>>18047914>Jews keep making Nazis look awesome and their society orders of magnitude better than current jewish societyOne thing I found hilarious about Cyberpunk 2077 is how outdated it was. Like all the NPCs and redditsoys are complaining about the japanese corpos when they are infinitely preferable to IRL globohomo corpos. They act like they're in some kind of high crime dystopia. meanwhile, in Cyberpunk 2077 you can walk into a gun s tore and buy a gun and defend yourself with zero problems. IRL you have to go through crazy hoops buying a gun in a blue state, risk getting denied due to arbitrary rules because of barrel length or mag capacity if you live somewhere like California or Chicago, and after you successfully defend yourself from a criminal the cops will arrest you and you're forced into a kangaroo court trial
>>18047914It's already somewhat rehabilitated today among the youth. I've heard from teachers that kids will just not give a fuck when learning about the holocaust, they'll just look back the teacher with a blank expression and be like "ummmm, so?". And this was before October 7th.I don't know if they've been burnt out from the rest of the woke guilt shit. Or if BLM polluted their mind with white == evil brown == good and the jews in the films appear too white. Or if the internet has warped away their empathy. But even when I was at school in the late 00s, people cared still.
>>18047886Give me an alternate timeline where the confederate states won and the Statue of Liberty is on the Mississippi. Give it a real twist like slavery ending despite this change and all blacks going back to Africa. Give me a CSA where the Cherokee were massacred by the trail of tears and are a huge part of the population and culture. Where Cuba and the Caribbean are states and Dixie being played on the moon
>>18052849>Statue of Liberty is on the MississippiKino.
>>18047886I honestly do not know either because anytime period or timeline, where nazi Germany wins World War 2 will likely involve the country collapsing or it splintering into multiple factions, especially if hitler dies because national socialism was not sustainable in the long run.
>>18047886It requires the least amount of presumptions and mental gymnastics to piece together a coherent geopolitical setting. The further back in time you take your alt history scenario, the more drastic the changes you have to take into account when imagining the current world.
>>18047923The US would be scrambling to reorganize the western hemisphere into a nazi-proof police state and probably the UK too if they manage to preserve them. It would be the perfect time for Germany to attack, but they would still be weak from fighting to seize and then subsequently try to enforce their rule in the occupied countries. A war in the future would be possible, but advances in the arms race could leave them gridlocked like the USSR and US.
I know right it’s actually really boring…Germany winning WW1 on the other hand is far more interesting because it literally would’ve resulted in world peace.
