>man comes before their court claiming to be the messiah>he also refuses to prove it>despite allegedly performing miracles before hundreds, has zero witnesses to speak in his favor>even his closest follower publicly denies him before the court>this is literally heresy by default, may as well have been a guilty pleaHow has this generated thousands of years of anger and seething? If any one of you were reborn into their shoes you would have made the exact same decision.
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>>18048019I actually wonder how common was it historically for people raised in Christian thinking to sympathize with the Pharisees, since in the Gospels they really did nothing wrong.
>>18048019It's even less *their fault* if you accept the idea that Jesus knew it was all going to happen and willingly went through it anyway. If anything Christians should be thanking the Pharisees for the role they played considering without the crucifixion their religion doesn't have a martyr to center itself upon.
How is it the christianity falls apart when you think about literally any aspect of it?
>>18048019You're right but it's also contradiction for Jews to complain about Christianity and Islam when Jews directly created Christianity and heavily inspired 90% of the practices in islam.No Judaism = No Islam or Christianity.
>>18048150Jews can still insist Christianity and Islam are heretical because they were the original whereas it's pretty rich for Christians and Jews to claim the same thing about Judaism when they both started out as fringe sects of that religion in the first place.
>>18048146How is it Europe falls apart the second it stops being Christian?
>>18048146Humiliation ritual. If you can force someone to lie you can force them to do anything and the more obvious and ridiculous the lie the better. Every single Christian knows that they're a liar and they enjoy the fact.
>>18048019The body of God was resurrected, effectively proving the doubting jews wrong. Of course they deny the resurrection, and so that is why they should be forcibly baptized until they submit to the authority of the body of Christ.
>>18048070Exactly.I honestly feel that Jesus himself wanted to kill himself through the Pharisees and purposely wound them up so they would kill him. He wanted to commit suicide through others.
>>18048152>pretty rich for Christians and Muslims*Sorry I'm hungover as shit but you get my point
>>18048153Actually the times Europe was actually Christian, Dark Ages and Post WW2, were its absolute nadirs.
>>18048157>>18048152Islam argues that Judaism is a heresy of Islam though and that Adam was a Muslim. It's probably why Muslims aren't as pathologically subservient to the jews as Christians are.
>>18048160you are just stupid
>>18048152But Jesus and the 12 apostles were all Jews and the NT quotes the OT all the time. It was just as Jewish as every other denomination of Judaism like the Essenes, Zealots, Sadducees etc.Your argument only works with Islam because Muhammad wasn't Jewish by blood. Or formally educated in a synagogue.
>>18048060They were basically like televangelists that scammed old ladies for donations by "making long prayer" for them. Most of their "traditions" also ended up being ways to further scam poor people, like "money changing" - wherein they said you weren't allowed to bring any coinage with images on them into the Temple - so they could convert your Roman money for "Jewish" money at an absurd exchange rate. All this on top of their excessive virtue signalling.I think, from any angle, secular or otherwise, they were not good people.
>>18048168Dilate.
>>18048175That's not in the Gospels though.
>>18048179>For ye devour widows' houses, and for a pretense make long prayers...>And Jesus went into the temple of God, and cast out all them that sold and bought in the temple, and overthrew the tables of the moneychangers, and the seats of them that sold doves>And said unto them, It is written, My house shall be called the house of prayer; but ye have made it a den of thieves.
>>18048167Adam was a Christian thougheveralbeit.
>>18048179>t. Hasn’t read the Gospels
>>18048185Nowhere is a wrong exchange rate mentioned.>>18048187Even Christians think that Adam was jewish, unless you're a JW or something.
>>18048019Jesus didn't exist. jews made him up because they got btfod by romans when they rebelled and their temple got destroyed and without the temple they had no way of doing animal blood atonement sacrifices where they believe they put their sins and pedophilia on an animal and then kill the animal and send it to hell with their sins instead of them going to hell. No temple = no blood atonement = jews will have to go to hell for the sins they have committed.So they shit out christianity and pull a "uhmm ackchyually we didn't even need the temple anyway some rabbi son of yahweh himself came some 80 years ago and we kind of sacrificed him with all our sins on him and his magical blood is powerful it accounts for all the our sins present and future generations we technically don't have to do blood atonement sacrifices ever again. pff you can have the temple we don't care"
>>18048194Everyone who calls upon the name of the LORD for salvation is definitionally Christian. Since Jesus Christ is the LORD. Adam, Enoch, Noah et al were saved by the atonement of Jesus Christ by his death, burial, and resurrection, even if they did see fully the means by which God would bring it about. t. Not a Jehovah’s False-Witness
>>18048217Paul at least was preaching about Jesus two decades prior to the Temple being destroyed by the Romans.
You're an idiot. History is full of trials that, in hindsight, look like mistakes. They generate centuries of discussion because they aren’t just about innocence, they’re about how power confronts truth. Jesus’ case became the archetype of the innocent man condemned.
>>18048222That's pretty mental levels of cope.
>>18048167It can make that argument all it wants, it doesn't make it true in a basic chronological sense.
>>18048230Yeah but in this case he's guilty. Christianity really is such a lottery win for the jews, since it gives the perfect foil that very obviously is irrationally attacking jews giving the latter victim status, without Christianity ever being capable of racially threatening the jews with extinction.
>>18048169>But Jesus and the 12 apostles were all Jews and the NT quotes the OT all the time. It was just as Jewish as every other denomination of Judaism like the Essenes, Zealots, Sadducees etc.Except Jesus claimed to be the living incarnation of the Jewish God which is why most Jews (still) consider(ed) him a heretic.
>>18048238It results in an obvious theological-psychological difference between Muslims and Christians.
>>18048019Jesus agreed with what the Pharisees preacher. His beef with them came from the fact that he called them hypocrites for doing the opposite of what they preached.
>>18048266>Jesus agreed with what the Pharisees preachedNope.Matthew 23:13-39
>>18048153How is it that Christianity never elevated any other people to the cultural height of Europe?
>>18048243>Except Jesus claimed to be the living incarnation of the Jewish GodNo, Jesus, and his Jewish followers thought he was the messiah. A spokesman of god sent down to Earth to deliver the "correct" message. The whole belief in Such a Messiah is fundamental to Judaism. Jesus in his life was trying to be the next Moses or Simon bar Kokhba .Jesus being directly equated with god and the spirit as coeternal, coequal and coexistent happened way later in 325 AD at the first council of Nicaea.
>>18048285Because once they opened up the body of Christ to people who never were of God, the promised dominion and salvation became impossible.
>>18048297John 10:30 begs to differ.
>>18048310By that logic Moses is God as per Exodus 7:1.
>>18048230Nobody would know or care about Christianity today if manipulative Christians didn't work hard on converting Constantine the Great. His conversion resulted in the forced conversion of the entire Roman empire which guaranteed the future existence of Christianity.
>>18048382>manipulative Christianshis own mother
>>18048299Retarded wignat
>>18048404Wrong..."According to Eusebius, Helena was converted to Christianity by Constantine""After her son’s conversion to Christianity and rise to power, Eusebius says, “he rendered her through his influence so devout a worshiper of God (though she had not previously been such) that she seemed to have been instructed from the first by the Savior of mankind.”"https://christianhistoryinstitute.org/dailystory/permalink/helena-mother-of-the-first-christian-emperor
>>18048154>liarThe bible says>Certainly not! Indeed, let God be true but every man a liar.But I tell the truth, not out of me but because God lives in me, you are a liar however.
>>18048466>Incoherent word vomitFACT: Christianity is a lie.FACT: If Jesus existed he was a mentally ill con artist.FACT: Earliest evidence of Jesus being a real person was written at least a century after his supposed death.FACT: Clergy gets billions from promoting this scam.
>>18048382Its texts and traditions might have been preserved only in small communities.
>>18048664Sure, But maybe not. Hard to tell.The two oldest surviving bibles.The Codex Sinaiticus and Vaticanus were created in the 4th century, likely during the life of Constantine the great.So, the only reason they were produced is because an ultra-wealthy nation state (Rome) could pay for hundreds of scholars to spend years combing through the huge pile of primary texts (that are mostly lost today) In order to create a bible. Also,The most important meeting for standardizing the proper interpretation of the bible was the first council of Nicaea that was arranged by Constantine the great.Jews on the other hand despite having great wealth had far smaller numbers and only got around to writing a complete Hebrew bible AFTER Christians despite having existed before Christians and writing down some of the OT in the dead sea scrolls.The oldest once complete Hebrew Bible was written in the tenth century (Aleppo / Leningrad Codex's ). Christianity without Rome would have given us the bible ever later than the Hebrew bible ( due to being a small sect within Judaism ). Probably during the 1500's which is extremely late and would be entirely different from the bible we have today. It likely wouldn't be recognizable as the same religion.
>>18048019This three headed beast has been trolling humanity for thousands of years, its time humanity put this silly primitive superstition behind
