The more I read the bible, go to church and hear sermons, the worse I feel, the more hope I lose and the more I see God as pic related.I don't see a loving God but a psychopath and no path where I win or I am happy. I think I'm becoming insane. I first was hoping for rest and all questions to be answered and healing but now the only thing I feel is condemnation and a fate after death worse than I'm feeling now.
Please if anyone good is reading this, pray for me, I don't want to be condemned. But I can't follow God. I'm fucked.
>>18049098Embrace Allah.
>>18049106Fuck off
>>18049098Become Buddhist and stop wasting time with Canaanite cults.
>>18049107
>>18049098Personally, I just figured religion was a scam when I was like 12 and noticed Christians not doing the sign of the cross every time they walked by a church.
>>18049117>Religion is a scam because some people don't take it seriously
>>18049098Christianity is a human invention, you need to let go of all that shit and learn to live in accordance with the unnamed. You have to walk your own path in life. Doesn't mean you need to abandon the aspects of the Church that resonate with you, but recognize that the confines of the church mean nothing and you can do with their teachings what you will.
Many people who have moved into a healthier worldview once sat exactly where you are now. It’s possible to come out the other side of this without losing your hope.
>>18049098>>18049105you're making reasonable conclusions. the whole point of christianity is to convince you that you are broken and wrong before you're even born and that you're supposed to spend your life apologizing for it in order to MAYBE not go to hell forever after you die. you can't be condemned by something that holds no power over you. be the master of your fate and the captain of your soul.
You'll have to go into more detail about why you feel this way towards God, if you want a serious answer back. Everyone has this crisis at one point, it's normal. They call him Doubting Thomas for a reason. What makes you feel like God is a psychopath?
>>18049234Exactly. Islam is the complete opposite. This is the natural conclusion of any intelligent theologian's journey. All scripture study leads to Islam.
>>18049250He sets up impossible tasks for us. He creates us and shows us all the good to then snatch it away and drown us in temptation.I always thought he was all loving and that he wanted a relationship with us. But he is absent and condemns us. I didn't know and I don't know anything. Instead of being a mystical and deep figure, it all boils down to do not look at porn and don't get drunk. All at the same level as raping a child. Because we all sin.
>>18049116You worship a literal pedophile rapist murderer robber. You are evil.
>>18049287100% nietzschean master morality ubermensch, not some meek cuck nailed on a stick
>>18049098Hell awaits. Tick tock.
>>18049198>it’s perfectly fine to eat feces out of another man’s anus, it’s not like a man in the sky is going to punish you>healthy worldviewEnjoy burning.
>>18049413you write this in every thread where people engage in discourse about christianity. your mind is cucked to the point of being a rabid parody of what you claim to believe in
>>18049290You cant drink alcohol or some bearded faggot will declare a fatwa on you. Nothing master morality about it
>>18049098Christianity celebrates your submission to a force you cannot see or hear. It thinks humans are born in sin and filthy until they give up that which makes them most human, their ability to reason. They call you to abjectly reject your human experience in favor of a mystic unprovable "catch-all" bandaid. It's denying your humanity and it is wrong. Man CAN now reality, and he necessarily must to survive on this earth.
>>18049250This shit for example, we are supposed to follow the relevation of God through the prophets but then we have the literal pope justifying our destruction. I don't see the holy spirit talking through him, I see a corruptible human.
>>18050250That's because he is the pope for a jewish god. Christianity = we wuz jews n shiet
Just stop worshipping idols and follow the Noahide laws, and you'll be tip top. G-d doesn't ask more of you than those 8 laws.
>>18049256>Submit yourself to a desert demon that micromanages every minute detail of your life.No thanks shitskin I can manage my own life
>>18050255What are those?
>>18049098You sound catholic. If you are then you are feeling this way because your church is a false church and your pope is a prideful heretic.
>>18050293nothing gayer than an american orthodox christian, just like the faggot hippies into hinduism
>>18050255I’m so glad Hell exists for termites like you.
>>18050308prove it without referencing the bible
>>18049098Any decently intelligent person who studies the bible for what it is will come to a similar conclusion, Paul is pretty clear that you should shut off your brain and just accept it.
>>18050309Revelation 20:15
>>18050312Tick tock.
>>18049287what do you worship?
>>18050313average christcuck's reading comprehension
>>18050312Actually let me rephrase that: Any decently intelligent person who can be honest with himself will do so. The real attractive power of Christianity as properly understood isn't the evidence, because not only is there none, but all the evidence indicates it is false. The attractive power is the realization that some of the first apostles (probably Peter) had that you can't really be a good (as in selfless) person in a world where any suffering exists, while being rich or well of. When you set this against the backgruond of 2nd temple Judaism which is monotheistic and has a notion of Heaven and Hell. Good and Evil you end up with the need for a savior and destruction of the current world filled with evil.The final step comes with Paul, who realized (rightly I think) that not just can you not be good if you're well off, but even the concept of being good doesn't make any sense in a world where suffering exists, and being happy and good is even less possible. At this point the savior needs to atone for all sins period, the final atonement as it were.Paul thought the world would end in his lifetime, and so did most of the first Christians. The death of Paul, the destruction of the temple and the burning of Rome made the remaining Christians even more radical and convinced that the world would end soon, leading to the writings of the Gospels.Of course that didn't happen, but Christians kept beliving the end was neigh even in the early 2nd century as can be seen by the Johannine epistles.Since Christianity has such a low view of man, evidence that the religion is false isn't taken as evidence that the religion is false, but rather as God's just punishment in confusing man.>The mystery of the kingdom of God has been given to you, but to those on the outside everything is expressed in parables, so that, “They may be ever seeing but never perceiving, and ever hearing but never understanding; otherwise they might turn and be forgiven".
>>18050338I always thought it was funny how theists celebrate and take pride in their faith whilst simultaneously trying to be taken seriously in scientific debate which rests entirely on reason like the two aren't diametrically opposed.
>>18050315Yes, none of us are good people, but are you sure your faith in this Jesus guy is strong enough to save you?>3 We know that we have come to know him if we keep his commands. 4 Whoever says, “I know him,” but does not do what he commands is a liar, and the truth is not in that person. 5 But if anyone obeys his word, love for God[a] is truly made complete in them. This is how we know we are in him: 6 Whoever claims to live in him must live as Jesus did. >>18050338>even the concept of being good doesn't make any sense in a world where suffering existsEven if the concept of suffering exists I would argue it makes little sense.
>>18050343I mean there are plenty of intelligent "Christians", but I'd argue that any intelligent Christian that actually takes the religion for what it is will go insane from bad conscience and self-hatered, which is what I think happened to Paul.
>>18050367> will go insane from bad conscience and self-hatered, which is what I think happened to Paul.I feel this happening to me, it's like a loop you can't get out.
>>18050367Although I will add that Paul eventually succumbed to his insanity and became a "fool for Christ" as it were, today however there is much more evidence that the bible is false, and most people in general are more "proud" than Paul was.
>>18049106>>18049107Allah and yhwh is literally the same thing
>>18050384yhwh certainly didn't make rocks that will snitch on jews, you need some theology checkup fren
>>18050416>yhwh certainly didn't make rocks that will snitch on jewsIf we considerer Islam to be the next step after Christianity, with the jews killing Yeshua it certainly seems that Yahweh would turned on them, so yes, thats something he would do, especially with him doing much much worse against them in the OT
>>18049098>reads jew scripture>surprised that their tribal deity is a cruel schizoYou're in for a wild ride.
>>18050416You're misunderstanding the purpose. It's another "two more weeks until you're allowed to deal with the JQ", just like Augustine's faggotry and Marx's subterfuge. It's a very clever trick, they always use it.
>>18050512Plato was the biggest christian to ever exist, even if he didn't know about it
>>18050517In a way, yeah.judaism and by extension christianity and islam are just more or less corrupted versions of Platonism. The jews even try to explain this by insisting that Plato must have had some unknown Greek translation of the Tanakh that inspired his work, whereas the obvious truth is simply that the jewish claims of seniority are lies. The Septuagint is a much later work than The Republic.
>>18049098I was Muslim, I looked for a new faith but no one answered my existential questions so I remained atheist.
While waiting for deletion of this not history, not humanities thread, lets discuss the true purpose of spam. Is it:- an engagement farming bot- a third world antiwhite- reverse psychology from evangelicalspost your responses below
>>18050526>judaism and by extension christianity and islam are just more or less corrupted versions of Platonism.More like that they are theistic versions of platonism
>>18050564huh?
>>18049098>. I first was hoping for rest and all questions to be answered and healing but now the only thing I feel is condemnation and a fate after death worse than I'm feeling now.I think you should read the book of Job, or just read what happened to Jesus, his most faithful servant. the LAST thing you should expect from following God is peace, he will absolutely put you through the ringer and test your faith if you dare to say that you love him.
>>18050567no
>>18050557I think this thread is in good faith since OP isn't actually trying to shove anything down my throat, unlike that Shitmon guy
>>18050571one vote for bot, gotcha
>>18050564Platonism isn't atheistic, so that's pretty much what I said.
>>18050698>Platonism isn't atheisticHow come it isn't?
>>18050567What the fuck do I do then, I can't measure up to job, or Jesus>>18050571It is but blue boards suck because of same fagging, no one knows who is who.
>>18050717>It isit isn't
>>18050708>How come it isn't?It's literally proto-monotheism. This is extremely well known, and I assume that even a cursory glance at wikipedia would have told you as much.
>>18050723I don't know, m8. When I studied platonism, there was no mention of it worshipping anything, unless you count the Idea of Good as being the 'god' of it, rather than a (heh) ideal to aspire to. Plato himself worshipped the greek folkish gods. However, neoplatonism was actually full monotheistic
>>18050743I personally cannot even begin to fathom extradimensional cosmic sources that aren't gods, so yes, I consider his forms to be a form (heh) of gods.>worshippingWorship is distinct from theism/atheism. You could be a theist and not worship. You could even be an atheist and perform all the necessary rites of worship.
>>18050843Well, what I meant is that Plato didn't worship the Idea of Good, making original platonism an agnostic at best version of the abrahamanic religions. Only upon the arrival of neoplatonism you see the worship of the 'One', who is the Idea of Good turned deity.
>>18050861Alright, on the topic of worship we agree.>original platonism an agnostic at best version of the abrahamanic religionsIt's the other way around >>18050526The three abrahamic religions postdate Plato.
>>18050927Judaism certainly does.
>>18049117Where does the Bible say you have to make the sign of the whenever you walk past a church?
>>18050927>The three abrahamic religions postdate PlatoJudaism?
>>18050939It doesn't, but that's what they tell you in Orthodox countries.
>>18049098Imagine losing your faith because of fucking godjak memes lmao
>>18049098Part of the reason im religious is to anger atheists. The other part is because I really believe in God.
>>18051103thanks bot, it means a lot coming from you
>>18049098>Claims to be a Christian>Posts blasphemyNice bait thread
>>18050937>>18050946Yes. Based on mainstream archaeological evidence, the creation and codification of the doctrines is as follows:>4th to 3rd century BCE: Plato's body of work>3rd to 2nd century BCE: septuagint/old testament/tanakh (ie. temple judaism)>1st to 4th century CE: new testament (ie. messianic and post-temple judaism)>1st to 4th century CE: jerusalem talmud (ie. talmudic post-temple judaism)>7th century CE: quran (ie. islam)
>>18050843>You could be a theist and not worshipCould you really?I mean yes, you could be a bad theist, but a good theist would worship, me thinks
>>18051356>a good theist would worship, me thinksAs far as I can tell there are a lot of pantheists and panentheists and deists and so on who believe in a God of some sort but do not consider worship relevant.>>18051341My mistake, Plato is older by one century, and the Septuagint was apparently still being written in the 1st century BCE. The order remains unchanged though.
>>18049098>the only thing I feel is condemnation and a fate after death worse than I'm feeling now.Why? Condemn not and you will not be condemned. Forgive and you will be forgiven. But most of all, call on the Lord. When you make one step towards Him, he makes a thousand towards you.The three virtues are hope, faith and love, not anxiety or fear in the modern emotional sense.
>>18051432>The three virtues are two more weeks, trust the plan and love is love
>>18051443>I'm too based to love>something about two weeksIs that all?
>>18049098Let it go.There's no proof whatsoever that Jesus is God or the son of God and no proof that the Bible is the word of God either.
>>18051516Seeing that "proof" is mostly a mathematical concept and the Bible isn't a mathematical entity, yes, you are quite right.
>>18051529So you don't care about "proof" because it's "mathematical".Do you have any criteria whatsoever to determine whether or not any claim is true? If so, what is it?
>>18051538No, I don't care to get mathematical proofs of non-mathematical entities. You don't either. >Do you have any criteria whatsoever to determine whether or not any claim is true? If so, what is it?But of course my dear friend. It's convergence of different truth-producing mechanisms. Sense and experience, reason, intuition, social capital, practice etc. You can pick a bone with Christianity in any of those, but most of atheists are only atheists because they pick one specific channel - reason - and in that channel they insist on their evidence criteria being without the evidence criteria being set.So a question right back at you - how would you determine if Christ is God? What measurement (or mathematical proof after all) can you perform?
>>18051465>Is that all?Not my fault you aren't even old enough to remember 2020.
>>18049098You must reject Christianity in its current form fully, since this not only doesn't work for you, but it clearly doesn't work for anyone nowadays. Modern day Christianity is corporatist Christianity, with a blind emphasis on corporate labor and nihilistic individualism. To keep societ from collapsing, the biblical God needs to be a violent psychopath, but all this does is just show that both Christianity and society at large need radical, fundamental reform, or will collapse entirely
>>18051623>To keep societ from collapsing, the biblical God needs to be a violent psychopathqui would write such a book!?
>>18051543>>18051543>replying to spam ishygddt
>>18051632Any society that solely organizes itself around material greed, this isn't really unique to the Jews. Blaming them for everything isn't going to change anything
>>18051656>blaming jews for what they do is the same as blaming them for everything
>>18051663See? You fixing jackshit with what you just typed. How is your dumb response supposed to change anything? You might as well not be involved in public life at all. Playing the game you're playing right now is never going to change anything
>>18051675>don't expose my absurd arguments
>>18050358I can’t wait to see the look on your rodent face when you find out that your good works meant NOTHING. I’ll laugh heartily from heaven while I watch you roast in the furnace.
>>18051443Those flames just got hotter. You’ll wish you were never born. :)
Btw by the flames I mean STDs from my mom :)What? I can't hear you.
>>18051341No, Plato's work doesn't precede judaism by any metric. Second Temple Judaism was born 200 years before Plato, and that's not even counting the older roots like Yahwism or the long forgotten Israeli politheistic pantheon
>>18051675>>18051716>>18051724>>18051728>>18051737bump >>18050557
>>18051934I take it at face value, more or less. This board is a magnet for brown rodents and white trash who hate the Lord.
>>18051728classic christian reveling at the prospect of someone's suffering
>>18052018He didn't say he hated the lord. He said he was having a genuine crisis of faith. You already accept that spam exists and this is an anti christian spam thread, you just choose to reply anyway.
>>18049098literally fell for a meme(the cobson), lmaoit’s da meeems
>>18051728These posts are hilarious
>>18049098>I don't see a loving God but a psychopath and no path where I win or I am happyI read the old testament and came to the same conclusion. Perhaps religion should be regarded as a useful fiction for keeping women under control. You didnt really think some old flat earther book cobbled together out of expired end of the world predictions and recycled flood myths was divinely inspired did you?
>>18052018>brown rodents who hate the Lord.FYI christianity was originally a brown (semitic) religion and is now again a brown (mixed multitudes) religion.
>>18053032Religions created by psychopathic foreigners aren't the best mechanism for social control (unless you're one of the psychopathic foreigners).
>>18049124Yes, if the people who peddle something don't serious believe what they are peddling and are just using it to enrich themselves, then its a scam.
>>18049250>They call him Doubting Thomas for a reason.Doubting Thomas got his doubts unquestionably alleviated through physical empirical proof, why is Thomas worthy of that level of detailed consideration, but OP isn't?
>>18049098You can always reject all religions and embrace the Divine Uncertainty. You're playing the existential game anyway. We're always gonna have the balances: Reason<->MadnessOrder<->ChaosLove<->HateIt's up to you if you wanna see the big picture or get brainfucked by another "prophet". I'm not telling you to start praising demons or shit.
>>18053013>>18053032>>18053047>>18053050>>18053064>>18053068>>18053118bump >>18050557you guys are ignoring the real issue here
>>18049098read around and find a god/gods you actually like and worship that stuff, I did.
>>18053221no you didn't
>>18053225???????I did though. I had an autistic special interest in mesoamerica since high school and always loved the religion and one god specifically and so recently i decided to just start following it. Are you having a derealization episode? It's going to be okay. Look at and interact with the world in front of you, the things that are physically there, you can know what they are and where they begin and end. It's going to be okay.
>>18053230You're a spammer. Doubtful that you're even human.
>>18053233I'm not a spammer, I just saw this thread and wanted to reply to it. I'm sorry you're going through this. I used to have that a lot too especially on the internet, but this is Lord Tezcatlipocas domain and he likes to torment us sometimes. We can never know whats real here, it very well could just be one person orchestrating posts to mock us. In truth it is, it's God doing it, but the people who he does it through are most likely different individual instruments of his will and so the conversation with them is probably a normal and legitimate one even if the Lord of the Near and Imminent is putting them there to mock you. We just have to assume everything in front of us is what it appears as most of the time I think. We're in his realm of darkness and smoke here, we came through his mirror. He is the true power of this world.
>>18053241>I am a spammer and I'm going to try to drown you out with volumethat's what I said
>>18049098>He's a psychopath because I don't understand why he did what he did before coming as ChristSounds like a (You) problem
>>18053050>Religions created by psychopathic foreigners aren't the best mechanism for social control (unless you're one of the psychopathic foreigners).well ok then, to we boot the Greek Gods back into operation? Otherwise there is Islam (not gay but quite possibly retarded), Buddhism and Taoism (bugmen religions), Hinduism (seems plausible to me but its Indian).
>>18053407no one cares
>>18049098So why do you question God?Are you a Christian, do you believe that Jesus Christ died for your sins? Do you believe that the Bible is a historical document? Remember we only have a couple years on this earth. But, we have eternity in death. When you think that God is fake or evil or whatever you want to believe know that you would arouse the ire of God. If God is real, you would most assuredly die a spiritual death.
>>18049250This anon might not actually be a Doubting Thomas. If you read the gospels Thomas is a very physically oriented person. He had just lost his God and spiritual leader only days prior to a crucifixion. He saw his leader die. He doubted because of the horrific death that he saw. That is why he demanded put his fingers in the wounds. This anon seems to just not like that God's righteousness doesn't align with what this anon believes.
>>18053422>So why do you question God?see >>18050557
>>18053435Let me tell you something friend 50% of all posts on this site are bots. You posting over and over that these are bot posts don't really change anything. I agree that OP is likely a bot especially using that meme picture and subsequent other meme picture to depict God. But, there may be someone that genuinely do feels these things and wanted to use this thread to get another perspective that isn't just >Christianity bad>religion is fake
>>18053440It would be fine if everyone thought that way. People need to get their heads out of the muck and stop taking things at face value online. There's no "thread" there's no "op" there's vast initiatives and behavior of people who think they're above normal posters. They think your ability to discuss things for yourself is worthless and they don't care if it gets trampled. That's the environment we post in.
>>18051724DId you even read my post?
>>18053440Christianity is false, religion is true. Not revealed, creedal religion, but rather the religion astonished by the God we meet through the use of our reason. But this requires using your brain and not just taking a "holy book" as gospel and you won't find it in a church. Better off taking a stroll through nature than listening to a guilt trip of a sermon.
>>18053732Discoursive reason is your most limited faculty. Whoever worships it, doesn't sufficiently employ it.
>>18053736Worship reason? Do you worship a hammer when you use it to pound in a nail?God is real, he doesn't interact with the universe after setting it into motion or need worship. But we can appreciate him.
>>18053741Great question, which reminds me of a proverb - to someone holding a hammer, everything looks like a nail. The overuse of discoursive reason (and the idea that you're going to be enlightened by your own intelligence) is related to self-reliance and intellectual greed. And greed is idolatry. >he doesn't interact with the universe after setting it into motionIncredibly convenient, but incredibly shaky, philosophically. God interacts with it every second. The world has no being without HIm.
>>18053748I get it, you disagree theologically. You think God isn't powerful enough to create a universe that doesn't need constant intervention. That's fair. But you then have to deal with the problem of evil.
>>18053732If a pagan god or gods exist. Why do they not make themselves known? God has expressed himself through the word of the Bible. God has shown himself. Why do you believe that we are part of a creation where the creator has left us? If nature gods are the real creators of this world, why have they left us?
>>18053753Intervention? This world is visibly contingent down to its very fabric. I'd much rather grapple with the "problem" of evil and with people thinking isolation somehow signals power, than to grapple with a belief that is more convenient than it is philosophically stable.
>>18049105I will pray for you anon.
>>18053890Thank you anon
>>18053757When did YHWH show himself? According to your Bible, no man has seen God and lived. But then other people in the Bible did see God and lived. Umm, ok... Jesus is apparently the almighty creator of the universe, outside of space and time... But also a human. Make it make sense. You are basing your idea that God hath shewn himself on second hand information, would be inadmissable in court as hearsay.
>>18054149>When did YHWH show himself?In Genesis, in Judges but most importantly, in the New Testament.>. Jesus is apparently the almighty creator of the universe, outside of space and time... But also a human. Make it make sense.He has two natures.>You are basing your idea that God hath shewn himself on second hand informationAs you are basing your idea of literally the entire cosmos. If you feel you have criteria that God ought to objectively and measurably meet, please share.
>>18054155>He has two natures.That doesn't make it make sense.
Abrahamists will gaslight you but what's really happening is your divine soul spark (aka your god given wisdom and intuition) is naturally seeing the hypocrisies, inconsistencies, paradoxes etc. inherent in the archon constructed bible, the "church", etc. Our soul sparks granted to us by the true outer god/Sophia are all we need for salvation. No church or manuscript or autistic list of rules and documents will save you; thats just what the archons and demiurge intended when they masterfully swindled the world into slavery with christianity/judaism/islam. Going amongst a herd of hylic sheep is the last thing you should be doing to find gnosis
>>18054403This is a protected spam thread, it has no implications for life. It's artificially filled with bot replies and it's outside the rules.
This is the most heartbreaking thing about all these Protestant/Evangelical/Charismatic groups. They give people a trimmed down version of religion that can't stand up to the hard problems in life, so people abandon religion entirely. It's the devil's strawman. He gets you to think that a knockoff version of Christianity is real, and when you eventually find that it's insufficient, you commit apostasy instead of seeing how you've been deceived. The Apostolic Churches (Anglicans are not Apostolic) have kept the true teachings of the faith alive (to varying degrees) because they were born in the hardest times. Don't give up.
>>18051341>Judaism was created during 300BCThis is where pop history gets you. Worship of Yahweh can be found further back than 1000BC.>but Yahwehism isn't JudaismYes it literally is. It is a religion that was based on oral traditions that were practiced poorly, until the captivity where everything was written down. That's a fundamental part of the Jewish religion, and why most of the archaeological evidence is from the time period you cite.
>>18050964Orthodox are becoming completely corrupt, especially the further you go East towards Russia. It's why the bishop of Constantinople wants union with Rome but all of his underlings don't, they've all stopped giving a shit about the actual religion and just like fucking around with politics.
>>18050250This is clearly a Muslim shill thread. No we are not supposed to just follow a line of prophets. We are supposed to submit to God through obedience to His Church. The Pope is the head of that Church. You don't like him because he's flawed? So was Peter, that's the point. But God works through him to accomplish His will.
>>18054632And how the fuck does one submit to the church? What do you do when the church isn't following God?
>>18049281You're not describing God at all. Being a Christian doesn't mean abandoning the concept of free will and blaming God for everything bad that happens. That's all you're saying. That God did all these bad things to you. God does not do evil because evil is defined as all that is against or apart from God. If you stop believing in God then congratulations you lose all rights to make any moral statements and complain about bad things happening. Morality is completely incoherent without some transcendent force to ground it all. Either way, you're only making things worse for yourself by sitting here acting like God is the source of all your problems.
>>18054568>>18054632It's a bot thread obviously. Try making one yourself and you're gone.
>>18050214You have no response to it. Your "healthy world view" is getting fucked in the ass at bathhouse, spending 20 hours a day on drugs watching porn, and then having a doctor euthanize you when you get fifty different variants of AIDS. Nobody wants to be associated with you perverted retards anymore, you're not enlightened and everyone knows you're all about not talking about what happens in your bedrooms.
>>18054155>>When did YHWH show himself?>In Genesis, in Judges but most importantly, in the New Testament.>>18053757>God has expressed himself through the word of the Bible. Have you even read the Bible? It teaches that the earth is flat, it's riddled with inconsistencies. Why would God express himself through such a flawed book?
>>18054766because it's the opposite of what spammers, who hate 4chan, say.
What if I believe in God by also the infallibility of man so I cannot trust man made sources ie scripture?I believe God exists but I don't believe Jericho had walls.I believe God is real but I don't believe Moses got into a wand-off with the Pharaohs mages. What do?
>>18054820Be a deist
>>18054642The teachings of the Church are infallible, not the clergy. The clergy are not the Church, the Church comprises the whole people of God, and is ruled by teachings handed down in the form of Scripture and Tradition, and confirmed by the Magisterium which is the Church's teaching authority. It's unfortunate when the clergy are acting wrong, shit like what was happening in the 70s was abominable. But the teachings of the Church have never gone wrong, even when the clergy are completely worthless. It's why Pope Francis went hard against clericalism, even if he was a confusing Pope he did know where some of the major issues were.
>>18054853But what if I believe that God is sometimes active in the happenings of the world? Isn't that mutually exclusive with deism?
>>18054899in order to believe in god but not scripture, you have to believe scripture is fundamentally flawed and metaphorical. The word God is only a descriptor of the real thing. The same applies to God's actions in the world, and all scripture. They signify something real somewhere along the line.
>>18054913I want to believe in some scripture.I find the New Testament to be a beautiful and inspiring story, well aside from revelations.The old testament is a great literary treasure, but I cannot believe whole heartedly in the factual case for many of its tales
>>18054918the new testament is actually literally true in parts, bad example, but something like the resurrection. The teachings of Jesus were of a quality that allowed him to live again. Almost everybody has a personal relationship with Jesus, in a world where most people are out of sight out of mind. What is that, if not immortality?
What church do you go to? If its a prottie one, no wonder you're losing faith.
If you are religious:>God isn't in Churches. He's in the people.>If you don't like your options you don't have to go>sola scriptura If you are wanting something else.Maybe a bit sacrilegious but what's faith without tests.Sledge and Tabor are great at discussing the subject and with great respect and knowledge of the OT and NT.Very interesting. Historical Jesus.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mwr7tN4L8z8I'd look into Buddhism. I could write a thesis paper but tldr.Suffering is the point, desire is the root of pain, stop wanting, and that is oddly comforting.Copium:"Live a good life. If there are gods and they are just, then they will not care how devout you have been, but will welcome you based on the virtues you have lived by. If there are gods, but unjust, then you should not want to worship them. If there are no gods, then you will be gone, but will have lived a noble life that will live on in the memories of your loved ones."God bless, God speed, good luck Anons.
>>18054875So what about the second Vatican council?
>>18054927I went catholic, I went traditional Catholic. Normal catholic seems it doesn't take God seriously, traditional seems they miss the forest for the trees, doing a lot of nonsensical rites.
>Just found at the raputre isn't even in the bible>The afterlife is also heavily glossed over compared to the seven earths and seven heavens of judaism and islam>Trinity for no real reason other than it sounds nice
>>18054766Where in the Bible does it say that the earth is flat? Quote the verse and translation.
>>18054927>>18055129>>18055248>>18055251>>18055254>>18055801duh you all have such good advice but I'm still having a crisis of fait. Just keep bumping please
please bros I'm in crisis
please bump
>>18049098Just bee yourself bro. Both the gospels and zoomers say to do so
>>18056112THANK YOU!!! BUMP!! this board has been a huge disappointment
>>18056116Those who sin are slaves to sin. The only chance at not sinning is not hesitating
>>18056112>>18056143I'm actually still in a crisis though despite your wisdom. BAMP
>>18049098Is this you? >>18055251God does get angry because he cares about justice, but that's not the whole picture. God is maximally empathetic and knows exactly what it's like to be you and everyone else, he isn't out to "get" you or anyone.Maybe your church doesn't focus on the gospel, that God loved his enemies enough to die for them, and he has no desire whatsoever to be angry with you or anyone else. This is something that can be very difficult to come to accept because there's no one like that in this world. The biblical God is slow to become angry and quick to forgive, memes like that are just unaware of this reality. God's character is just amazing and something everyone should want to be like> while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us. > there is now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus. > From heaven the Lord gazed upon the earth, To hear the groaning of the prisoner, To set free those who were condemned to death> Say to them, ‘As I live!’ declares the Lord God, ‘I take no pleasure in the death of the wicked> So he got up and came to his father. But while he was still a long way off, his father saw him and felt compassion for him, and ran and embraced himWhat songs do you sing at church? I love the old hymns we sing at my baptist church. If you don't find yourself thankful for God's amazing character you're surely not in a good place.This is one of my favorites https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=V_pBdC6Kna0 - though a video isn't as good as being in a room with dozens of others singing it.
>>18055801Matthew 4:8-9 NRSV[8] Again, the devil took him to a very high mountain and showed him all the kingdoms of the world and their splendor; [9] and he said to him, “All these I will give you, if you will fall down and worship me.” https://bible.com/bible/2016/mat.4.8-9.NRSVHow else could he show him ALL the kingdoms of the Earth if it wasn't flat? Also from a mountain? You must accept either the absurdity that there is a mountain high enough to see all of the flat earth, or the New Testament is allegorical at least in this part. Why can't the whole thing be allegory?
>>18056217>https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=V_pBdC6Kna0unironically enjoying this must be fucking insane. i understand byzantine chants that actually speak of something ancient and profound, but this is almost parody-like. if someone wanted to make fun of american protestants with a comedy music video, this would be the soundtrack.>God does get angry because he cares about justiceyou can't know his intentions and feelings according to the scripture
>>18055248It's an ecumenical council, as valid as the rest. There were no canons or anathemas so there wasn't much theological development, but it's still a council. Retards who think V2 destroyed the Church have no idea how the Church functions. V2 saved the Church which is why subversives try to attack it.
>>18049098That is white fatigue, my man. Hebrew and Greek and leave these translation shitters to the dust, blessed art thou for not going on rdt today
>>18050293I was about to say he doesn't sound Catholic lmao.Like they guy loves us so much he came to show us de wae and founded a curch so that we can always find each other.
>>18056892Come the fuck on folks. What are they feeding these bots
>>18050972OP *is* the Godjak spammer.
>>18057043thanks for the bump but when are you going to fix my crisis of faith?
>>18057057You'll have faith when you're burning in Hell, don't worry. It won't do anything for you, but you'll have it in spades.
>>18057106you can't get this thread b& and a new one will just replace it regardless. bump limit here we come baby
>>18056808Post your chant then, coward
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>>18057598https://youtu.be/4z2sz_wxZ54>>18057106pride is a sin, baptist
>>18059066You can't even sing this since you're just a basedtrad larper
>>18059197>b-b-b-ut you can't sing this!! i was born and raised orthodox, christianity has been part of my land for longer than US has existed, something a baptist mind clearly cannot comprehend or relate to.
>>18059376You weren't even considered white until recently lmao. Go worship some 2D idols why don't you?
>>18056217Yes, both are me.And I feel like God is there to catch me. I shouldn't believe it but I feel like I end up in a loop of gaslighting after gaslighting. I see a very cold distant and stright god instead of one that it's supposed to come to sinners and make us realize the errors of our ways.I masturbate. I admit it, and I like it, and I look at boobies. I have never had a relationship, no girl fucking likes me and this is the only thing I have. I'm trying to go to the gym, go to church and try to be in shape and ok constantly debating bible verses in Hebrew, but none of these matters because I touch my dick. >You are supposed to be using the tablets god gave youI can't talk on public without getting nervous. Everything is clear in my mind yet when I talk I stumble like a retard. I can't help anyone because im an autistic retard and I can't hope convince a single person of something good much less a group of people.I got arrested because I tried counter protesting alone in one of these crazy leftist rallies. I just don't know what to do. I pray and I get no answer. I've been alone all my life and I can't connect with anything. Looking at boobs, eating and playing vidya are the only things I have. Every time I try to improve my life it's so slow, and I've never murdered or committed adultery. I stopped pursing girls in a relationship, even when they were willing to cheat on their boyfriend with me. But I touch myself, so that also counts as adultery so fuck me.No matter what I do, I'm condemned and I get no answer. And I'm tired. I was hoping that the day I die I will finally have rest but it seems there is also hell reserved for when I die. No friends, no girlfriend, no job, no social skills, no anything and condemned because I look at boobs.
>>18059974Firstly your good works of trying to change peoples minds and your sins are irrelevant in Christ. All the evil you've ever committed and ever will commit has been washed away and forgotten, you are clean and have nothing to fear. Anything good God sees in you is not earned by your own actions, because his love cannot be earned or lost, he just loves you out of himself. It's Jesus' well lived life he sees in you. You're gonna be fine in the end.That said you need to seek to change, you need to admit you're in the wrong and determine to be different. Not out of emotional highs or expecting a miracle from prayer but in discipline. Identify when you wanna masturbate and avoid it. Shut your devices off, take a walk, go to sleep. Read something, write something. Look at communities like nofap and seek to break the cycle, you may fail a lot but you will be seeking to change and that's what matters. When you fail, apologize and you're forgiven with a clean slate so you can just get right back on track. The hope and final rest is to take comfort in that one day you'll have a new body that isn't constantly wanting to sin. The difficulties you're dealing with are not rare and not surprising to God or anyone. Israel was a idolatrous whore constantly stuck in cycles of failure and sin and evil but God loved them anyway, you're no different
>>18049098just stop believing in god
