Scientology with Chinese characteristics

Big fan, hope they coup the CCP

>>18050722
A cult of retards that are getting pushed by even bigger retards in the west because they just so happen to be opposed to the CCP.

>>18050722
Glowie apocalyptic cult

>>18050722
They're a harmless religion based around taoist mysticism and qigong. China only started oppressing them because they grew too rapidly across China and tend to gather in large groups in public for practice, which made the CCP paranoid. Westerners cry about it because the founder discouraged interracial sex.

By relinquishing material gain in favor of their beliefs they prove they are genuine and honest and have achieved lasting notoriety.

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>>18050722
It's a cult. I know because I went to see Shen Yun

>>18051136
If it were a cult why do they give free lessons? Why did they refuse to shill for the PRC and achieve great riches?

>>18050722
terrorist cult

They're basically McCarthyist Scientologists, but they do dance pretty well.

>>18050746
? How is it similar to Scientology?
There are no weird dogmas, it's just a philosophy revolving around a specific form of Tai Qi, and it's compatible with Buddhism and Taoism

>>18051194
>>18051136
>>18051094
>>18050966
*50 yuan have been added to your bank account*

>>18051288
go back to watching fox news, retarded boomer

>>18051288
Falun Gong literally employs paid shills though. They have newspapers sanitize their image and promote aggressive foreign policy

>>18051286
They believe in aliens and their organization is based around whatever 1 guys says

>>18051297
But only retarded boomers read Epoch Times

I like it's philosophy, especially how it emphasizes Truthfulness, Compassion, and Forbearance.

I don't think the Scientology comparisons are fair. True, they're secretive, but when you're enemies with the Chinese government it is probably necessary to be secretive.

Is there any religion founded within the past 200 years that isn't considered a cult?

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>>18051286
>no weird dogmas, it's just a philosophy revolving around a specific form of Tai Qi
They believe you can cure cancer and diabetes with said Tai Qi.

>>18051105
>taoist qigong
>harmless
Yeah I bet you believe tiger penises will grant you extra inches too.

The CCP has very few justified targets and the FLG is one of them.

>>18052458
That's a pretty standard qigong belief desu, not unique to Falun Gong, part of why China has been cracking down on qigong clinics as a whole.

>>18051286
Except that the Leader happens to be Jesus Christ and the Buddha, of course.

>>18050722
Weird gook shit.

>>18050722
Qigong is based and bullshitpilled.

>>18051286
They believe that their leader can phase through fucking walls and is also Jesus and Buddha

>>18051297
>>18051316
>promote aggressive foreign policy
Yeah right, the US was stuck in forever wars for 20 years because of the Falun Gong mafia, not because of the military-industrial complex or w/e.
Beijing shills

>>18051185
>if they're a drug dealer, why do they give drugs to people for free?

>>18052458
>cured or improved
Notice the nuance. They're admitting that in some cases you can only do this much, that's not how crazy people talk

>>18052424
Bahaism is not generally called "cult", but then again a cult is really just a small religion

>>18052920
>They believe that their leader can phase through fucking walls
Well, have you seen any proof that he can't? That's what I thought

>>18050722
1)
Some chinese guy wanted to become a 'Qigong Master' and claimed to have been taught by great masters from childhood. In fact, he learned a bunch of stuff from temples during an extended stay in Thailand and combined it with ideas he got from Chinese translations of western new age magazines.

He was initially very successful because people could feel qi etc after learning the exercises he taught. He claimed that his true disciples wouldn't get sick and that if they did, it was an illusion designed to test their faith. This led to sick people dying after refusing medical care. This, alongside his refusal to bend the knee to the CCP, led to some bad press. He responded to this by sending his followers to protest outside newspaper offices. When protesters were arrested, he organized an even larger protest outside the CCP government compound. The CCP freaked out and banned it.

At this point, the founder disappeared for a year and came up with a whole new corpus of beliefs that took the ban and arrests into account: He was the creator of the universe come down to earth to save the universe from destruction. His followers were Gods, representatives of huge numbers of beings in various dimensions who had signed pacts with him in past lives. The rest of the human race was also connected to huge worlds, if they supported Falun Gong, they and their worlds would not be destroyed. Initially, the ban was blamed on ''Old Forces' manipulating the chinese government. Later, he added that the CCP was super-evil and anyone who was a member would be destroyed.

Not unlike Christianity, followers initially expected the 'rapture' (aka the Fa-rectification of the human world) to occur in the early 2000s. Many people went to Tienanmen square and unfurled banners, expecting that they would soon float into the air and go to heaven. I think around 2023 the founder scrapped the idea of a rapture and announced that now was some sort of interim period before the end of the world.

>>18050722
2)
Having convinced a bunch of people of that the world would soon end and that they needed to save people to the new world via positive PR for Falun Gong and negative PR for the CCP, he got them to create a whole series of media companies and other projects such as Shen Yun. He doesn't have much regard for the law or for basic decency. Some Shen Yun dancers who were recruited as children are now suing him for slave labour since they worked 80 hour weeks for years for almost no money. He is also being investigated for having scammed hundreds of millions of dollars out of the US government Covid relief funds via the Epoch Times newspaper.

t. used to work for Epoch Times and didn't get given any of the scam money

>>18052924
no one implied that you lead poisoned fossil

>>18052927
It does get called a cult but usually by bitter ex members.

>>18052924
Falun Gong shilled for the forever wars yes. Nobody said they were the cause retard

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>foreign cult pays for influence in American society, with the goal to use the American military as a golem puppet and get American kids killed for their own selfish political purposes while not actually caring about the country.

Seems to be a recurring pattern.

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>>18051286
You idiots have no idea what Daoism and Buddhism are.

Orthodox Daoism is its own organised religion with clergy, religiousCanon, Zhengyi Daoism is literally led by the Zhang family

You can't "synthesise" Daoism and. Buddhism into your own cult, just like you can't mix Christianity and Zoroastrianism in your own religion and claim you are representing Chrsitian teaching.

>>18050722
Looks cool

>>18051094
>What's that? You don't support the glorious communist party?! You must be a heckin CIA asset! *proceeds to massacre 10,000 unarmed protesters*
Why are commie chinks like this?

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>Thoughts on Falun Gong?
>Big fan, hope they coup the CCP
>*50 yuan have been added to your bank account*

>>18055448
Most Tiananmen protesters would call Falun Gong a cult dumbass.

Anti ccp dissidents like Harry Wu said Falun Gong are a cult.

>>18055982
>https://www.voanews.com/a/illicit-organ-harvesting-in-china-criticized/1812221.html
The only person using the word "cult" here is a "Chinese government official", not Wu.
Wu is rather saying
>“If you want to argue, if you want to protest, if you want to show up in front of the Chinese government, it’s right [alright]. But I told the Falun Gong very clear[ly] you really need the evidence," said Wu.

>>18055682
Why would 50 yuan be added to my account if I'm posting an anti-CCP opinion?
You tankies just can't meme

>>18050722
I wish the organ harvesting claims were true

>>18054348
Taoism is not organized at all. Some of it is, but far from all and historically has been this way. And you absolutely can. Taoism, buddhism, and traditional chinese religion have been synthesizing for over a millenium. Eastern religions aren't as exclusive and dogmatic as Abrahamic cults are.

>>18056198
He's implying the anon who posted that is a glownigger, retard

>>18056694

China literally has religious clerical institutions

Daoism has two sects, Zhengyi and Quanzhen

Zhengyi sect is led by the Zhang family (hereditary leadership in the male line), it has official religious clerics (Daoshi) who can marry and have children.

Quanzhen also has clerics but they are celibate and live in monasteries.

They are organised religions just like Christian churches like Catholic and Orthodox.

It's just that the majority of Chinese do not follow these religions. (Majority of Chinese were never Daoist at any point)

>>18056694
>>18057772
Zhengyi Daoism is led by a hereditary family (the Zhang family) just like Shia Islam's Imamate (the Twelver and Ismaili understanding of Imanate and nass). The Celestial Master chooses his successor from his male agnatic relatives.

Just like Shia Islam has dhulfiqar, the Celestial Master has a sword passed on from Zhang Daoling.

Daoism philosophy which emerged in the Warring States period is different from Daoism the religion, founded by Zhang Daoling in the Han dynasty. Zhang Daoling was the first Celestial Master.

Religion Daoists believe that Laozi cane back as a god (Taishang Laojun) and appointed Zhang Daoling as Celestial Master and his male descendants as Celestial Masters and gave him his sword and seal.

The Celestial Mastee also canonises new deities like the Catholic Pope canonises saints.

The Celestial Master also determines the Daoist religious textual canon (Daozang).

Zhengyi Daoist clerics (Daoshi) wear robes (daopao) whej doing religious work, but wear casual clothing in their daily normal lives. They conduct exorcism rituals against demons and pray for rain. They use and create talismans against demons. Most of them also have a regular job and they usually initiate their sons as clerics

That's why all the atheist retards claiming Chinese are materialists who don't pray for rain unlike Muslims or Christians have no idea what they are talking about.

Zhengyi Daoist priests marry and are not celibate.

Quanzhen Daoism was founded much later than Zhengyi Daoism, by Wang Chongyang.

Quanzhen Daoist clerics are all celibate. They live in monasteries (male or female monasteries) apart from regular people. They wear their daopao robes all the time.

The male clerics wear their hair in topknots (they don't shave like Buddhist and Catholic monks).

Wang Chongyang appointed one of his disciples as his successor as patriarch of the sect obviously because its not hereditary since they are celibate.

>>18056694
>>18057772
>>18057773
Also the seat of the Zhengyi Daoist Celestial Master is at Longhu mountain. That's where his mansion and temples are.

Shaolin Kung-fu is associated with Mahayana Buddhism at Shaolin temple. Shaolin was originally attributed to Buddhist deity Vajrapani before the fake story about Bodhidharma inventing it was written in the 17th century.

Wudang martial arts and Taichi are associated with Daoism at the Daoist temples in the Wudang mountains, said to be invented by Zhang Sanfeng.

Chaquan is associated with Muslims.

Daoism took over as the state religion of China in the Tang dynasty under Emperor Wuzong in 844-845 and mass persecuted other religions.

Daoists banned Buddhism (both normal Mahayana and Vajrayana), Nestorian Christianity, Manichaenism and Zoroastrianism and destroyed their temples and churches and seized all their assets and defrocked all their clerics.

You get a steady drip feed of bullshit on how Chinese don't have organised religion.

Chinese do have organised religion.

Pointing to syncretic Daoist-Buddhist-folk-Confucian temples, is like poiting to syncretic Hindu-Muslim temples in India or Southeast Asia, and using it to claim Indians have no concept of organised religions and that there aren't Hindus or Muslims but everyone worships both Allah and Krishna.

The syncretic "three religion" temples in China have nothing to do with Orthodox Daoism (Zhengyi and Quanzhen) or Orthodox Buddhism

No, most Chinese don't go to both Buddhist and Daoist temples,they don't have altars where Buddha is next to Laozi.

Folk religionists sometimes add most random gods but even they gave a core pantheon of permanent gods (earth god tudigong, kitchen God, Guan Yu).

Zhengyi Daoists don't worship gods not canonised by the Celestial Master.

>>18057775
And the seat of the Quanzhen Daoists is the White Cloud Monastery (Baiyunguan) in Beijing.

>>18054348
>just like you can't mix Christianity and Zoroastrianism in your own religion and claim you are representing Chrsitian teaching.
Manichaeism exists

>>18057775
Funny how you bring up the Shaolin without realizing that Chan Buddhism itself is Buddhism mixed with Taoist elements. Since you're too retarded to read, I had said that some of Chinese Taoism is organized but not all. I know there was organized Taoism but to say all Taoism has been centralized, today and through the entire history of Taoism in China, would be false. Excluding the syncretic temples does not prove your point whatsoever, because you have just acknowledged their existent, thus proving that many Taoists are and have been syncretic and not strictly organized.

>>18057981
Hinduism and Islam don't exist as organised religions according to your logic because syncretic cults like Cham Bani Islam and Muslims following Sai Baba.

>>18057792
Manichaeism doesn't claim to be Christianity. Its its own religion.

>>18058022
>Manichaeism doesn't claim to be Christianity
It does actually. It claims to continue it. It presented itself in antiquity as a legitimate Christian faith

>>18058020
Signifcantly below 1% of Muslims are cham bani or worship other gods aside from Allah. The same cannot be said for Taoists who are not syncretic with Buddhism and traditional folk religion nor can Taoism be said to be completely exclusive in belief unlike Islam which strictly is. But good try.

>>18055448
Falun Gong is a CIA asset though, they openly work with RadioFreeAsia and other US government orgs like USAID which exist for regime change

>>18058039
Orthodox Daoism is literally defined as the Zhengyi sect and Quanzhen sect, therefore 100% of Daoists belong to organised religions.

Shamans and folk religion aren't Daoists.

>>18058039
Look up Satpanth

>>18058110
You're a broken record. No religion has 100% membership in an organization. Not every Christian, Muslim, or Buddhist belongs to an organized sect and certainly not 100% of Taoists. Otherwise, if you mean 100% of Taoists are of the Taoist faith, then yeah no shit. Still doesn't change the fact that a great many of those Taoists also believe in Buddhism and folk religion too.

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>>18058039

>>18058022
Mani called himself a disciple of Christ

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>Why would 50 yuan be added to my account if I'm posting an anti-CCP opinion?
>You tankies just can't mem-ACK

>>18058150
Muhammad said Christ was a prophet of Islam.

>>18058916
I don't think that's how that works exactly.

>>18050722
they're chinese