To take the UK as an example. When Pakistanis and Middle Easterners arrived into England in the 1950s and 60s they knew that they were entering a Christian country. The same applies to Algerians in France, Moroccans in the Netherlands, Iraqis in Sweden, Turks in Germany, and so forth. It was understood that these nations were Christian countries and Muslims have the job of trying to convert the natives to Islam and convince them that the Bible isn't reliable. This that was the default. That "Native White Europeans are Christians and we are Muslims". Muslims sent their children to Catholic schools and Christian schools on the understanding that the people teaching them and educating them were at least believers in God.All of a sudden atheism has been placed on the table as a 3rd option and this is astonishing to Muslims. Teachers in public schools in the West are openly atheist and propagate open sin and even more alarmingly open disbelief. For Muslims, encountering an atheist in their homelands is about as strange as encountering Santa Claus. For Muslims, the idea of "No God" doesn't compute at all. It's the most insane mentally ill belief someone could possibly hold. While Muslims consider Christians, Jews, Hindus, Zoroastrians, Sikhs, and so forth to be misguided, they are at least seen to Muslims as people who have the core base correct, people who acknowledge a Creator. Atheists on the other hand are seen as clinically insane by Muslims. Try telling a Muslim child "there is no God" he will look at you as if you just arrived from outer space. That Christian societies would allow this ideology to flourish is frankly cultural suicide according to Muslims. That's why Muslims defend themselves by saying "It's not our fault your countries are collapsing, you chose secularism and atheism and you abandoned Christianity".
They are correct.
>For Muslims, the idea of "No God" doesn't compute at all. It's the most insane mentally ill belief someone could possibly hold.Incestuous people who worship a pedophile calling others "mentally ill"?
Muslims are just hypocritical nihilists about their sinning and living like there was no God as they do in western countries while larping religion.
>>18050750UK has been apostate since well before the 1950s
>>18050764Pedophilia means pre pubescent, that was not the case with Aisha, secondly muhammed was but a man not a deity that the Muslims worship
>>18050879>6 years old>not prepubescent
>>18050837Why does every Muslim fast Ramadan then? Even the most secular non-hijab wearing Muslim woman and Muslim OnlyFans girl observe Ramadan. Fasting and waking at 4am every day for an entire month to eat a large meal and then praying taraweeh prayer all night requires extreme religious dedication. The fact that ALL Muslims even privileged left-wing politicians all do this speaks to still being religious and having full religious conviction because fasting and living off no sleep for an entire month seems to be something that would be easy to skip for those who have become Godless, but it isn't.
>>18050750>That Christian societies would allow this ideology to flourish>allowWhat makes you think that they "allowed it"? They fought tooth and nail against it, they just couldn't defeat it.
>>18050885It says alot about your religion that there's such a thing as a "secular muslim". There's no such thing as a secular Christian. The miracle which Christianity alone can claim, which proves it to be the only true religion, is the changed heart of the new creation.
>>18050886They defeated it, but atheists are irrational so they don't care.
>>18050880Age was unknown as they didn’t record birth years back then, however marriages being post puberty was the law and was applied in this case
>>18050901Sound hadith says she was 6 years old.>the lawWhose law? Not sharia law.
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>>18050885>Muslim OnlyFans girl Doesn't that mean they aren't Muslims if they do that? Also give me some names of these girls
>>18050885>Even the most secular non-hijab wearing Muslim woman and Muslim OnlyFans girlIf you are secular then you are by definition not Muslim and if you're producing pornographic content then you are in direct contradiction to your religion's values, i.e a hypocrite like the other anon said.>Fasting and waking at 4am every day for an entire month to eat a large meal and then praying taraweeh prayer all night requires extreme religious dedication.Temporarily fasting and waking up early does not require "extreme" dedication.
>>18050903How can that be sound Hadith when others say different ages? Shia hadiths for example have her being over a decade older? Truth is the age is unknown, secondly yes in Islamic sharia a marriage before puberty is invalid, both sexes must reach adulthood which is puberty in islam
Protestant belief in salvation through faith only without deeds was the point of no return which set Christianity up for certain decline in prottie nations. Visible shows of faith and mandated religious deeds are mandatory to keep the population even culturally religious. If faith is "personal" and private prayer at home and going to church once per week is enough in regards to rituals, the faith will inevitably lose it's grip on society at large.
>>18050911NTA, if it was the case that Muhammed married Aisha when she was 6 and then consummated the marriage when she was 9 would you denounce him as a pedophile and immoral man not worth following?
>>18050911>How can that be sound Hadith when others say different ages? Shia hadiths for example have her being over a decade older?This isn't how you would deal with the hadith if the subject didn't happen to be politically inconvenient for you. It's intellectually dishonest and unfaithful to your own religion. I doubt you're a shi'ite, and a sunni wouldn't care less about shia hadith under normal circumstances. Not to mention they obviously have a very different attitude toward Aisha in general.>in Islamic sharia a marriage before puberty is invalid, both sexes must reach adulthood which is puberty in islamProof?
>>18050912You don't know anything about Protestantism.
>>18050907>Temporarily fasting and waking up early does not require "extreme" dedication.Why would any person spend a month dehydrated including sometimes even in blazing hot summer heat, waking in the middle of the night to eat a monster sized meal, getting maybe 3 hours sleep, crashing out halfway through the day at work, all night praying Tarawih in the mosque, brutal headaches etc if they didn't believe in God? Nobody would do that unless they felt they were religiously mandated to do it, and the fact that even Muslim sex workers are taking part in this month long ritual without complaint shows they believe in Allah. We are living in an age where people don't even have the discipline to put their phone away at the dinner table without checking it, people get panic attacks if they have to wait longer than 10 mins for an Uber, but i'm expected to believe non-believers would do all this religious discipline for an entire month for no reason? doesn't make sense. We should see Muslims making any excuse they can to get out of Ramadan fasting if they were truly losing their faith. But in fact we see even OnlyFans girls who tend to act on pure impulsive embracing the fasting and the long hours without food or drink.
>>18050914No because she was post puberty which is adulthood in islam
>>18050987Proof?
>>18050987>6 years old>post puberty
>>18050971So they have that extreme religious discipline but at the same time they can't abstain from western sin like alcohol and sex work?
>>18050987She was post puberty at 6/9 years old?
>>18050750What isn't shocking to muslims?
>>18050893They've never defeated it, only developed increasingly deranged copes.
>>18050750Muslims don't have culture though? They haven't been relevant in thousands of years. Their greatest recent legacy us turkey which is rightful european clay and people call them cockroaches.
>>18050885Because you are slaves inculcated from birth.
>>18050912Congratulations on finding a way to seethe about the protters in a mostly-unrelated thread, chepito
>>18050750Nobody cares sand monkey.
>>18050885lol no they don't come to bradford bro
>>18051178Actually you're the one coping
>>18051350There literally isn't a single Abrahamic argument that doesn't have holes in it. The best they can argue is it isn't entirely disprovable (usually by using logic that goes way beyond anything justifiable from the Bible/Quran), but have never been able to argue for its necessity.
>>18050750>For Muslims, the idea of "No God" doesn't compute at all. It's the most insane mentally ill belief someone could possibly hold.I remember some occasion when I decided to wait for my flight in the praying room because I was feeling nauseous. After a few hours, the room started filling with Muslims. They would remove their shoes, kneel on the floor and talk to themselves while facing a wall. I also have seen documentaries of looney bins. The difference? None. To me, those Muslims behaved no differently than a lunatic. They hold these rituals reminiscent of someone with OCD: wash their hands before praying, pray five times a day, don't eat pork or allow dogs inside because it's filthy. If they fail then they shall instill the wrath of some imaginary being.
>>18051357>never been able to argue for its necessity.Wrong.
>>18051471>if I just start from the axiom "god exists" I win!This is only convincing if you're a literal retard.
>>18050750Are you Muslim?
>>18051471>it's true by the impossibility of the contrary!>can you prove the contrary is impossible?>sure! it's impossible by virtue of not being possible!>can you prove it's not possible?>sure! it's not possible by virtue of being impossible!
>>18050885why do atheists celebrate Easter and Christmas?
>>18050750Why am I supposed to take inspiration by the groups who get out competed by Hind**s?
>>18051495>>18052929Strawman fallacy is not a valid argument
>>18052895He's a paki living in Birmingham
>>18050750the fuck you talking about?crosscucks allowing apetheists to take over the west if always used by muslims as a prime example to why christians are weak and rotten
>>18050750>animalistic faggots that like suppressing the freedom of others are surprised that a free society has a variety of worldviewsIf you have a problem with freedom, you can move to Iran or whatever theocratic shithole you like.
>>18053104That's not a strawman though, thats the actual argument
>>18054490>doubling down
