>holds secret, illegal negotiations with Hanoi prior to the 68 election, which was literally treasonableNothing personal, kiddo.
>>18050769not 25 years ago>>>/pol/
>>18050766Fuck off LBJfag.
He didn't hold secret negotiations with Hanoi. The claim is that he supposedly told Saigon to stonewall negotiations in 1968 until he was elected president.But the claim ignores the fact Saigon had zero reason to even bother with negotiations at the time, as LBJ had failed to gain any of the concessions from Hanoi that Saigon required to attend negotiations - in fact he deluded himself into believing that radio silence from Hanoi was "actually" tacit acceptance of his peace terms.
>>18051113Rent free, faggot(not OP btw)>>18051124>But the claim ignores the fact Saigon had zero reason toThat doesn't negate the fact that Nixon, a private citizen, engaged in and orchestrated a deal with a foreign power you pathetic, coping, fuckwad. If I, a private citizen, did the same thing it would be treason, no? The """argument""" that it magically doesn't count as treason because Saigon and Thieu had no reason to negotiate is absolutely retarded. Under what fucking logic is treason suddenly *not* treason because the FOREIGN power that is in question doesn't want to negotiate? Hmmm? Can you explain why treason isn't treason when it suits your pathetic cope of an """argument"""? Don't worry, I'll wait
>>18051209Oh it was LBJfag.Care to remind the class what the definition of treason is as defined in US law?
Humphreyfags still seething after all these years later. Very sad behavior!
>>18050766>yeah man we're going to elect you into a literal monarch, undisputed tyrant of the free world, just pack the courts and ratfuck congress and we will let you do absolutely what the fuck you want but you cannot start talking with other nations before getting that golden chair to make the transition of power a little easier because, because, uhm.....
>>18051210>this fag is still at it Holy rent fucking free Covid-chan was 5 years ago let it go already. Do you check the board daily for me or what?>b-b-b-but we wasn't at war with South Vietnam so it wasn't treason and Dick DINDU NUFFIN HE WAS A GOOD GOY Tell that to all the boys he got killed just so he wouldn't get cucked out of the presidency a second time by a guy named Herbert only to still blow it over his own paranoid delusions about Ellsberg kek
Nixon belonged in Fort Leavenworth in leg irons for that.
>>18051230>Treason is defined on the federal level in Article III, Section 3 of the United States Constitution as "only in levying War against [the United States], or in adhering to their Enemies, giving them Aid and Comfort." Thank you for playing.
>>18051209>Herb BlockI've mentioned before that Nixon lived absolutely rent free in this dude's head for decades.
>>18051259My personal favorite >>18051253>treason isn't definitively defined in such a way that it explicitly states a non-citizen cannot intercede in US foreign relations>therefore Dick dindu nuffin bad he was a good boyThanks for showing us all that you don't even have the slightest inkling of how the law works and just want to be a contrarian faggot, even at the expense of looking like a retard kek
>>18051290>Treason is defined on the federal level in Article III, Section 3 of the United States Constitution as "only in levying War against [the United States], or in adhering to their Enemies, giving them Aid and Comfort." Saigon was not at war with the USThank you for playing
>>18051868>the war was just about Saigon Why do you insist on being intentionally retarded?
>>18051985Take it up with the founding fathers, anon, I didn't ask them to use such a strict definition for what constitutes treason.
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>>18050766As far as I'm concerned, if a country's electoral process is bound to ridiculousness such as the 14th amendment, 15th amendment, 19th amendment, and the 23rd amendment, as well as the Voting Rights Act - then dirty tactics are entirely fair game. The process is illegitimate, doing whatever you can to win within it is the moderate solution.
>>18052096You're still wrong.>>18052625>23rd amendment Why are /pol/trannys always such anti-freedom faggots? Move to China or Russia if you don't think people should have any say in picking their rulers you fucking cuckPic fucking related
>>18053150You should read Machiavelli again, thats where the roots of liberty began. Just an fyi.
>>18053236>some dude wrote something once and now all subsequent history is a direct result of that no other person ever had freewillWrong status: still wrong
>>18053150LBJeet this isn't a Mumbai bazaar, you can't haggle and headbobble your way out of that very strict definition.
>>18053774>"Listen here you little shit flinging fly of a son of a bitch... I don't know which hole your whore of a mother shit you out of, but I am the goddamn President and I will bury you so far out on the LBJ Ranch that not even the cadaver dogs will find you."If putting another 20K GI's through the meat grinder solely for his own gain isn't "levying War against the US" I don't know what is. I guess 44 was right to spy on 45-47 then, no? He gave aid and comfort to the Russians by sucking off Daddy Vlad over his peepee tapes after all.
>>18053950>2025>libs still unironically believe Trump had Russian hookers pee on him for blackmail
>>18053974>2025>still no release of the "non-existent" files of his longtime best friend Jeff who's dead because "a lot of good people" are in them Dementia Don gets outplayed by every world leader he meets but you expect me to believe he's never been blackmailed even once? Sure, Jan
>>18053984>2025>libs still think there's a smoking gun on Trump just waiting to be discoveredYour guys already threw everything you had om him. Acces Hollywood and Stormy Daniels were the worst you had. Everything after that was fanfiction from tapes of him being pissed on to tapes of him saying nigger and now to Epstein. The press had to invent a bunch of fanfiction letters to >imply Trump is a pedo because they have fucking nothing. This after 4 years of Biden sitting on info that will supposedly bring Trump down? I have no problem with Dems latching on to the Epstein files on public messaging since they've been a right-wing own goal, but if you earnestly believe there is incriminating material on Trump you're retarded.
>>18054007>The press had to invent a bunch of fanfiction lettersLol, lmao even>evidence?? what evidence??Ok Pam
>>18054030Do you think the Steele dossier is evidence too? Do you think Trump called soldiers losers too?
>>18053950>If putting another 20K GI's through the meat grinder solely for his own gain isn't "levying War against the US" I don't know what is. You would have a hard time arguing why LBJ wouldn't be liable for similar charges. >I guess 44 was right to spy on 45-47 then, no? But I suppose if you are going to extend the definition of treason to "anything a US citizen does that may undermine the foreign policy objectives of the current POTUS" then yes it would be OK. Interesting you think that's some kind of gotcha.
>>18054033>whataboutismkek>nnnoooooo Putin is our greatest ally he would never do anything bad Seriously, you believe this?>>18054037>You would have a hard time arguing why LBJ wouldn't be liable for similar charges.Based on what>undermining the current POTUSLmao you think you're smart, huh? The Chennault Affair isn't bad because it undermined Johnson as a lame duck president, it's bad for the same reason Kennedy using Daley's political machine to skim off a win against Nixon in '60 was. It's bad because Nixon used it to ensure Herbert wasn't going to steal his shot at the presidency. Of course Thieu was going to be the retard that he was, but are you seriously implying that it's okay for a presidential candidate to undermine the peace talks of his *own country* solely for his own gain? Nixon didn't even give a fuck about the country as president, he just wanted to *be* president no matter what it took.
>>18054067>>whataboutismIt's directly about the reliability of "anonymous sources" >>nnnoooooo Putin is our greatest ally he would never do anything badSaying that Trump didn't actually get pissed on by Russian hookers is defending Putin?
The Democrat Party imploded in '68 when Humphrey was given the nomination despite not even winning a primary and LBJ privately said he would rather Nixon win as he believed he was the only candidate in the entire election who was qualified to be president.
>>18054077>It's directly about the reliability of "anonymous sources"You think mainstream reporters/federal officials are just going to asspull straight lies? Why throw away your entire career like that? 47 is on camera, of his own volition, talking about fucking his own daughter if only she wasn't blood related nigger. Why are you so quick to defend the guy who suddenly got into teenage beauty pagents and said Jeff "stole" his employee as guilt-free?>some retarded strawmanWhat reason do you have to take 47's innocence at face value? Because he said so? Come the fuck on nigger. The man whose been after the Clinton's for years is just sitting on the files that would destroy Bill forever because... what? A change of heart? Don't make me mention his "spiritual advisor" that just got slapped on the wrist for fucking around with a 12 yr old or his "maybe I will, maybe I won't" pardon of Maxwell WHO HE SENT HIS PERSONAL ATTORNEY TO HAVE AN OFF THE RECORD CHAT WITH ffs
>>18054095>You think mainstream reporters/federal officials are just going to asspull straight lies?Yes>Why throw away your entire career like that?The whole point is they're being covered for. An ideologue executive can cause Bud Light sales to plummet but it doesn't matter to her own career because liberals will give her all the support she needs. >What reason do you have to take 47's innocence at face value? Because he said so?As I said, your guys threw everything they had on him and the worst they found was Access Hollywood and Stormy Daniels.>The man whose been after the Clinton's for years is just sitting on the files that would destroy Bill forever because... what? A change of heart?The same files Biden sat on. The whole point is those files contain names of many people who at worst engaged in behavior equivalent to the Stormy Daniels affair during their association with Epstein, yet - and thanks in large part to the right's eagerness to engage in pedo conspiracies - releasing the files with their names would immediately brand them a filthy pedo, whether it's Trump or Clinton. That's why I said it was a right-wing own-goal, as under Biden they knew to just not indulge with the hype around it, but Trump's own AG and influencer couldn't help themselves, so now we end up with the Maxwell damage control. That's why I have 0 issues with Dem's messaging on the Epstein files, even if they're hypocritical, the right brought it on themselves. But that's not what we're discussing here.
>>18054119>YesRetarded >muh bud light tranny but don't worry libtards saved herLmao ok? >they threw everything at himNot even close. He should have been done after Jan 6>your guysLMFAO yes anon, all "liberals" are in a secret cabal. Yep. >Biden sat on them Wrong. They've been clogged up in the justice system as a whole. >but that's not what we're discussing hereThen literally what are we discussing? All I see is you running cover for 47
>>18054139>conversation is getting serious so let's dumb it downOfficials and journalists can spread lies because they'll be covered for and supported. There are no dangers to their careers. Yes Bud Light is a good example for this. >>Biden sat on them>Wrong. They've been clogged up in the justice system as a whole.If you can't acknowledge the symmetry of the situation then you're deeply unserious, then again your post is a deliberate dumb-down so it's not surprising. You can't say Trump is sitting on the Epstein files and that Biden didn't.>Then literally what are we discussing? All I see is you running cover for 47Whether the Epstein files are actual proof of diddling kids. As I said, the Dem messaging embraced the idea as a reverse uno against eager right-wing conspiracies which is perfectly acceptable, but you and I are not doing public campaigning right now, we can acknowledge that Clinton and Trump having their names there means jack shit.
>>18054179>we can acknowledge that Clinton and Trump having their names there means jack shit.It really fucking doesn't lmao, but sure bud. I'm done with this since I'm "dumbing it down" anyways
>>18054266It's ok buddy, we're not on the public square. This isn't a campaign ad or a performative X post meant to reach impressionable viewers, we can be frank here. You know that most people on that list at worst did something equivalent to Stormy Daniels
>>18054295>You know that most people on that list at worst did something equivalent to Stormy DanielsMmmm... no. Is it a secret pedophile cabal where they drink kids blood or whatever Qtards think? Fuck no. Is it outright pedophilia with kids 10 and below? Doubtful (at least as far as the list, because numerous GOP figures have been caught with kiddie porn. A fucking local Virginia delegate just got caught *distributing* child abuse videos) Is it human trafficking of preteen/teen girls and black mail? I would honestly be surprised if it *wasn't* that. I just can't imagine powerful men, who have always taken advantage of young girls for their sexual desires, have never once (not once!) found themselves with similar goals to that end.And not to keep this going, but...>they created fanfiction letters to create a fake birthday book for JeffIt's 47's signature. You have to be willingly blind to not see that. >b-b-b-but all they definitively had was StormyBecause he's had guys like Cohn whispering in his ear for decades. There's a reason Nixon and the boys were able to skirt their way around Watergate and Dick especially never get caught with a "smoking gun". These guys are professionals. They've been at this shit for decades. They used to run with the Mob. They know how to make sure the trail of bread crumbs is never *quite* enough to *definitively*, per the law, seal their fate.
>>18054344>Is it human trafficking of preteen/teen girls and black mail? I would honestly be surprised if it *wasn't* that.Well many accusers were of age at the time of Trump's relationship with Epstein(like those who the Dems paraded around in public recently). Virginia Giuffre didn't make any accusation against Trump, and conveniently her family are now attacking Trump publicly without her being with us to clarify the situation... Also, there's already a flight log list, which has been public for years now. People are just obsessed with finding an Epstein document that reads "list of people I trafficked minors to", which again, if it exists the Biden admin sat on it.>Dick especially never get caught with a "smoking gun". These guys are professionalsNixon got with a smoking gun because he was so unprofessional that he recorded himself. Unless you think he actively took part in the break-in too and managed to get away with it? Then you think that for some reason Nixon recorded himself "pretending" not to know about the break-in but left in all the parts where works in the cover-up? Much more reasonable to conclude that he didn't order it and was only told about it after the fact, but still had it covered up.
>>18054409>(like those who the Dems paraded around in public recently)Your bias is showing my dude >People are just obsessed with finding an Epstein document that readsThe retarded ones, yes. For those of us living in reality we're waiting to find out just what the fuck was going on. How does a literal nobody like Jeff, starting out as a "school teacher" with no training, end up rubbing elbows with a who's-who of world leaders and everybody inbetween? I'm sitting on the sidelines waiting to hear about these bank transfers of his, personally. >Biden sat on itYou really have no idea how the court system works, do you? >Unless you think he actively took part in the break-in tooAre you incapable of arguing in good faith or are you seriously just this ignorant? Suggesting Nixon was physically that at the break-in is something no one has ever suggested. >Then you think No need to be a facetious dick. >Much more reasonable to concludeIf you're a retard who has no idea what the facts of the case are. And then, in your ignorance thinking you can just "logically" infer it happened some particular way like those ancient aliens fuckwads do when they see a sort-of light bulb shaped heiroglyphic and "logically" conclude that means the Egyptains had AI tech, which is absolutely retarded. Nixon ordered the break-in. He's on tape ordering the break-in at the Brookings Institute when he says "blow the safe if you have to". Brookings happened *before* Watergate. Nixon is the reason "the Plumbers" was formed. It was in response to people leaking shit to the press. Nixon wanted it shut down. Nixon was complicit in the break-in at the Watergate, and is also complicit in everything that happened afterward in its cover-up. https://millercenter.org/the-presidency/secret-white-house-tapes/breaking-into-brookings
>>18054067>Based on whatEscalating the war in Vietnam.>tl;drThieu had made it clear that they would only support LBJ's peace agreement if he could get specific concessions from Hanoi that Hanoi never conceded. It should have been no surprise that Saigon would choose to run the clock out in the hopes that they'd get a better settlement with the next president.LBJ was just seething that he left peace talks to the last minute in the hope he could salvage something of his legacy out of the Vietnam quagmire he - if not created - had a hand in drastically expanding.
