why does god send non christian children, to which he gave leukemia and who die, to hell?
"god works in mysterious ways" anon, don't you know that?
>>18051032Technically even stillborn children who would've been born from Christian parents and later baptized still wind up in Hell too
>>18051032They are fallen in their father Adam
>>18051087Not in Calvinism
>>18051032Questioning His plan is grounds for going to hell. Enjoy burning.
>>18051116That's only if God elects them which, if the Calvinists are correct, is completely up to chance.
>>18051032Universalism is true https://benthams.substack.com/p/universalism-a-comprehensive-defense?utm_source=publication-search
Christianity is a barbaric religion.
>>18051140>chanceYou could not possibly be farther off the mark. There is nothing more opposed to the biblical doctrine of sovereignty than the Epicureans' "chance". There is absolutely no such thing. Insofar as random chance is perceived to exist it is merely an illusion of human perception, the roll of a die does not have a 1/6 chance for any outcome objectively, but only the one which God in His infinite wisdom determined before the foundation of the world.Now, as it applies to the election of our children, this is what the Canons of Dort say:>Since we must make judgments about God’s will from his Word, which testifies that the children of believers are holy, not by nature but by virtue of the gracious covenant in which they together with their parents are included, godly parents ought not to doubt the election and salvation of their children whom God calls out of this life in infancy.This is not to say they are all necessarily automatically elected, but that in each individual case the parents ought to believe they will be reunited with the child in eternity in the judgement of charity just as is assumed in the case of one who is baptized, professes faith, and lives the Christian life. Ordinarily it is impossible for the unbaptized to be saved, but the covenant child who dies before he could be baptized is an extraordinary case.
>>18051270If you're saying babies who have Calvinist parents can STILL wind up in Hell if they die before being baptized you're not actually disagreeing with me, you're just trying to obfuscate that with flowery language.
>>18051304It's possible for someone who is baptized, professes faith in Christ, and lives the Christian walk all their days to wind up in hell because none of these external things saves anyone. A person who is saved is saved only by the gratuitous imputation of the merits of Christ which are apprehended by them through faith alone which is a gracious gift of the Spirit of God, and this applies to everyone. The objective question then as to the child's fate is not whether they were baptized but whether they were born again by the Holy Spirit which their baptism signifies and seals, which in any given case we are to assume by virtue of the gracious covenant established between them together with their parents and God. There may or may not be exceptions to this rule, but if there are they are strictly exceptional, rare, and unknowable in this life.
>>18051326Lot of words to admit it is just a crapshoot in the eyes of Calvinists as to whether or not someone's qualified for grace.
>>18051349Yeah, that's the part I objected to and refuted. You weren't wrong about them needing to be elect, you were wrong about it being a "crapshoot".>whether or not someone's qualified for graceAbsolutely nobody is qualified for grace. The grace of God does not find worthy Christians, it creates them. You have extremely badly misunderstood the doctrine of Unconditional Election by misrepresenting it as random chance.
>>18051359>The grace of God does not find worthy Christians, it creates themWhich only makes it all the more arbitrary. Your arguments so far have only been self-defeating.
>>18051270>>18051326i had a stillborn daughter. she died in the womb and was born 2 days later, at 36 weeks - fully formed child who would have easily lived if born alive then. we held a funeral and cremated her, i put her small coffin into the incinerator myself. i'm no longer christian but if god is not merciful to literally the most possibly innocent type of person (a stillborn child), even if parents are not baptized, then he's a vengeful, spiteful ugly creature who does not deserve worship.
>>18051032To enjoy hell obviously
>>18051547I note first of all the sheer irrationality of using your emotions in any context as the ground of your belief. By this standard everything can be proved, and nothing. So I encourage you to put them aside and act like a man, to rationally consider what I am about to say.Secondly, it was not God who was responsible for her death, but man. God made the world good and perfect, and no creature died in the world which God made. It was only because of the sin of man that death entered the world, therefore, it is the fault of sin, and not of God. Thirdly, God would have been just in the damnation of each and every man, therefore, He is bound to the salvation of no man, except as He has bound Himself in covenant. We say children are innocent, not absolutely, but relative to other persons. There has never been one innocent person in the sight of God except Jesus Christ. But each and every man is born wicked, and conceived in sin, and the child of their father Adam, whose covenant is shattered. Grace can be demanded by nobody, otherwise it would not be grace. Finally, I feel the weight of your emotional argument, because these little children are in the image of God and of real inestimable worth and value. But you, apostate, apparently have adopted a worldview in which what happened is a meat machine failed to activate. Do not get angry at me, it is your belief. You have no basis whatsoever for regretting your misery let alone to hold this grievance you freely blaspheme against your creator who is holy and good and under whose righteous judgement you shall subsist for eternity if you do not abandon wholesale your current rebellion and desperately beg Him for mercy in Christ; for such eternal wrath is precisely as you deserve, and cannot demand otherwise, you who have tread underfoot the Son of God and profaned the blood of the covenant by which He was sanctified.
>>18051032what does it feel like to have a 4chan Gold account? If a real person made this thread it would be deleted in ten minutes.
>>18051845of course, it wouldn't be a conversation with a zealous christian without the mischaracterization and denigration. the "meat machine", my daughter, did activate, but died before seeing the world because nature is such, not because of adam. i'm at peace with that more or less, with no help from faith. i'm motivated to live in a world where I can contend with laws of nature and rely on myself, my family and the community, rather than a vindictive ephemeral entity that allegedly created the world and humanity designed to fail and condemned every single generation unless they kneel and beg for forgiveness for something they didn't do, including those who didn't get a chance to be born alive. my dislike towards christianity grow a little more today, thanks to you.
>>18051957average "not a bot" post
CCC 1261 emphasizes hope in God’s mercy for those who die young. It explicitly says we entrust them to God’s love.
>>18051957I'm sorry you had to go through that>>18051958Shut up fag
Why are atheists so obsessed with the temporary Christian heaven? Don't they know about the Resurrection?
>>18053003So eternal reward is just temporary now?
>>18053034"Eternal" in this sense refers to kairotic and not chronological time.
ah yes very good
>>18053083You can't change reality by trying to change the meaning of words, tranny, ywnbaw and the wine you drink will never transition into real blood.
>>18051032Because they're heathen duh.
>>18051032>Hasn't read the Book of Job>asks stupid questionyid or jeet?you have to call it
>>18053102So its because god really likes gambling with his adversary and doesn't care about the lives and suffering that results from his gambling addiction?
>>18053110it's a new mental gymnastics routine every day for these stories, don't bother trying to guess>>18053102rabbi yeshua was also jewish
>>18053112>rabbi yeshua was also jewishAlso, the book of job is specifically jewish scripture from the torah.https://www.myjewishlearning.com/article/the-book-of-job/
>>18053086>>18053090>>18053102>>18053112>>18053121If you tried to make this thread it would be deleted. Protected spam.
>>18053112>rabbioy vey >also jewish(you) are not of the same tribe. you're pharisees, babylonian devil worshippers
>>18053157i was not the person you were responding to. also, you just know that it's all a temporary larp when christcucks speak as if they're a character in a fantasy book
>>18053245retarded bot
>>18051845Insane
>>18051547I am genuinely sorry that happened to you and your family, anon. I hope that you are in an okay place.
Why would the most powerful being in existence capable of doing anything - absolutely anything - create a torture chamber of infinite unending suffering and then create self-aware beings on a mud planet that are doomed to multiply forever, thus condemning untold billions to be sent to your torture chamber. And then at some point you send your son who is also you to talk to them about how to avoid your torture chamber, but you do nothing to stop the OTHER groups of your creations that have their own stories about identically horrible torture chambers from drowning out YOUR torture chamber rules under an avalanche of other warnings about different torture chambers. And not only that, when the people who wholeheartedly believe in the validity of your torture chamber start arguing with each other about how they avoid your torture chamber you do nothing further to clarify anything and just let them splinter and fracture your message for two thousand years. Imagine how many billions and billions and billions of people are just burning, nonstop fucking burning. People who have no idea what they even did - people who were born, lived, and died in societies that warned them about a totally different torture chamber who lived their lives according to their peoples rules and morals to avoid said torture chamber just to end up in yours instead. That's pretty mean.
>>18051032>leukemiaParasites cause leukemia but bible thumpers will have you beg for forgiveness instead. No different from any other desert religion. It's to generate loosh.
>>18054334That's nice but you're a spammer and spammers are always wrong.
He doesn't unless you're a retarded protestant. All of the stupid atheist arguments are just the product of neckbeard Redditors arguing with their boomer evangelical parents. You can technically believe that someone like that could go to Hell, but it's not dogma and it's only the psychos who hold that belief because it appears to go against everything else in the religion. I would go as far as to say it's not even an acceptable belief to hold even if it can be argued for with technicalities. I hope you're not a full grown adult believing low iq nihilism like this.
