The tetragrammatic name "Yhwh" does not appear in the Bible. Ergo, everything related to using to the name is a LARP. All sects and divisions of Christianity and judaism are therefore cultic using modern interpretations rather than ancient divine word.
>The tetragrammatic name "Yhwh" does not appear in the Bibleu wut m8? Yes it doesJews traditionally read it as "Adonai" but the letters are right there, open a Hebrew copy of Genesis and see for yourself
>>18051828>open a Hebrew copyI have the original Greek texts and the refined Latin. Of course the post-Aramaic copies come much later, in the medieval period. Therefore they are just adding whatever they want. Just about everything rabbinical comes from the medieval period.
>>18051832>original Greek textsAre you fucking retarded? Do you unironically think that the ancient Israelites spoke Greek?
>>18051875There are no such things as "ancient Israelites". According to tradition, the first Septuagint was laid down by the tribes invited by Ptolemy in Hellenic Greece at Alexandria to record such stories. There is no written record prior to the Greek writing. You would have to do something extreme, like suggest that the Ketef Hinnom scrolls aren't forgeries, in order to make the argument.
>>18051877The Dead Sea scrolls predate the Septuagint you faggot, and Septuagint was created as a TRANSLATION of the Hebrew original
>>18051879This is not the case whatsoever. The invitation by Ptolemy occurs in the early 3rd century- if such a group of tribes ever actually existed and we are not to think that it is purely writ as a work intended as fiction which is currently the leading theory- but further that the DSS came as late as 70 AD, but again this is only if you think the DSS are not forgeries as multiple collections from that of the Bible Museum to the Schoeyen collections (yes, plural) have all been disproved as forgeries. Presently, only those held by the government of Israel require further testing by external sources which that government refuses to permit.
What is the Greek word used in the text where the Hebrew uses YHWH?
Supposedly, this is when the Qumran caves were vacated. However there are holes in this theory. Firstly, they have flooded completely multiple times since then. Secondly, 19th century explorers already ventured in the area and found nothing while others argued even at the time it would be an impossibility due to water retention in the possible areas. Thirdly, the discovery replicates that of a year prior with the finding of the Nag Hammadi scriptures. Fourthly, the people would retreat *into* the caves, not out of them.
>>18051879>Septuagint was created as a TRANSLATIONThere is no original predating the Greek Septuagint.
>>18051888>70 scholars translated a text and they all magically got the same resultthe very myth of the Seputagint's creation is obviously an attempt to justify how a Greek translation still qualifies as a holy book; why tell such a story about an original composition?
>>18051892Generally ὁ κύριος.>>18051828>>18051875>>18051879Stop responding to the obvious troll.
>>18051973>why tell such a story about an original composition?Because the Septuagint is the basis for every other classical era Bible. We don't get an authentic non-Septuagint related Bible until the medieval period rabbinicalists composing their competing version with due reference to taking out clues that point to Christ as the messiah. While certain stories about the Septuagint raise dubious questions, it is realistic to put mass access to this book (that is, the OT specifically) after the time of the Hellenic authorship. Meanwhile, the DSS are regularly exposed as forgeries every time they're tested by unbiased sources. We must lean on the Greek because of its early popular and academic preeminence.
>>18051988What? The Greeks wrote the Septuagint. That much is known. What is not known is just how Greek the stories actually are.
>>18051828Right? They literally worship Adonis right their in the main jew chants: Baruch ata Adonai, Eloheinu Melech ha-olam, hamotzi lechem min ha’aretzOnly problem is that Adonis is VERY Greek......oops!
>>18051875There were no Ancient Israelites. The Jews absolutely spoke Greek and/or Aramaic after getting rekt by Alex. If Pilate, the rabbis and Jesus would've all known a common language, it was Greek too ;) There is no "Torah" of any kind that is older than the Septuigent. NONE. """Judaism""" is cheap, low effort, Alexandrian pastiche fanfic. Nothing more. There isn't a single interesting, or original idea or story in the whole thing. NONE. The TRVTH hurts, but it is still the TRVTH.
>>18051977>ὁ κύριοςWhich is "O' Cyrus!" (Osiris). Yes, the Messiah of the Jews, a nice ARYAN boy from Iran. Gee, whod'a thunk it ;)
>>18052655CHECKED
>>18051824fuck off retard
>>18052666absolutely nothing rekkks a Jew more than the Greek language. they are absolutely powerless against it.
>>18052655The name Adonis is from Phoenician, related to the Hebrew.>>18052665What? Kappa is always a K sound in Greek, and Osiris has only ever had an S sound.
>>18052655>Adonis is VERY Greek......oops!The etymology is semitic. Canaanite. You're braindead.
>>18052667It's a serious question.>>18052663This>>18052674>The name Adonis is from PhoenicianEvidence?
>>18052677This reads like excessive Semitism. How come Greeks and Romans preserved Adonis legendry but semites did not?
>>18052679>Believed to be from Phoenician 𐤀𐤃𐤍 (ʾdn /adōn/, “lord”), from Proto-Semitic *ʾadan- (“to rule, judge”).Unless you have some alternate Indo-European proposal for its etymology?
>>18052681https://archive.org/details/hebrew-is-greek-joseph-yahuda-book-optYeah- everything that is supposedly Hebrew is actually just straight up Greek. The name Simon for example comes from the word simon in Greek, meaning flat-nosed. Words like Hebrew comes from Hebe, meaning youth. In this scenario, adon is a proto-Greek word that was transferred to the Levant during the invasion of the Sea Peoples for which material evidence still exists. -is endings are typical of Greek and other IE languages, including Latin.An impossibility on your part is that Phoenician and semitic are abjads. You don't know what vowels were used, you're just picking the ones that are most useful for appropriating other cultures- without realizing that ancient Greek culture influenced the near east through colonization. Hope this helps.
>>18052688Oh, okay, you're just a crackpot. Never mind then.
>>18052681"""believed to be"""" from """phoencian"""Notice how EVERY time you look up the source of Semitic word, it ALWAYS comes back as "believed to be", "may", "scholars NOW believe", "[unknown etymology]"Almost like it's ALL made up on the fly.....almost. Meanwhile, we can trace Greek back thousands of years with ease and its IE roots even thousands of years before that.Oh and if "Adonai" is "totally one of us and Semitic, bro", then why isn't he in any of "your" stories, or legends, or other lies? His name is important enough for your most important prayers to yoohoo, but no one seems to know how he got there.....really?......really? Kinda like that very real pharoah's name that everyone just forgot.....oops! """Y'all""" really should do a better job of keeping track of your own language and culture. It looks VERY SLOPPY from the outside. Ask around ;)
>>18052691You're not arguing. You introduced a crackpot theory by suggesting solid vowels for an abjad.
>>18052692That's the problem with semitic languages though: they cannot be studied like IE languages. They struggle to come up with answers because vowel flexing means that they can't even tell dialects apart without direct references mentioned in dialogues, which is very rare. They're practically doing guesswork.
>>18052691See, the instant ad hominem is not only utterly predictable, but the telltale sign """they""" are trapped, so they just resort to "No, you are a poopy head!" tactics. Many such cases. SAD. Yes, Anon just made up that entire article and zillions others just like it out of thin air to bother you here and now.......yes, that's surely the most likely scenario......ffs.
>>18052693For Hebrew we know because vowel pointing was invented in ancient times, for Phoenician we're on less solid ground but we have transliterations/loanwords in other languages and comparison with other Semitic languages.>>18052696"Hebrew is Greek" is a well-known work of crackpottery. I say this as someone with a literal degree in linguistics.
>>18052696The guy already ran through all of his spam lines today. But to be fair, he has a tough job because his field has a paucity of resources, especially primary, and they don't have the same kind of academic credibility. He only has crackpot supremacist notions to fall back on.
>>18052695Correct, and they have no punctuation, capitalization, sense, tense, or case at times, so you're basically reading 2000 year old "literature" that looks like it uses license plate spellings: "Moses is a fag!" just becomes "MSSSFG".......lol! Das dus dhey language doh! To this day, not even Arabs from different countries can talk to each other, even thought they all speak """Arabic""". Imagine taking nothing but consonant tiles from a Scrabble game, then putting them in a blender on high for 2 millennia, then pouring it out, having 2/3 of it get blown away in the wind, then looking at people with a straight face and saying you can "translate" it.....that's """Hebrew""".SAD.
>>18052708>no punctuationNeither did Greek or Latin in ancient times.>capitalizationMost of the world's writing systems don't have distinct letter cases, it's a peculiarity of the Greek alphabet and those descended from or influenced by it.>To this day, not even Arabs from different countries can talk to each other, even thought they all speak """Arabic""".Yes, because the Arabic "dialects" have evolved into different languages despite still being considered "Arabic" for sociopolitical reasons. It's like if the Romance languages were considered "dialects of Latin".
>>18052702>For Hebrew we know because vowel pointing was invented in ancient timesThis is not the case, you have been misinformed. Vowelization was, you're going to hate this and grit your teeth, expanded by Syriac in the late classical period with influence by the Greeks. In fact the first alphabet to do this is called estrangela, from the Greek word meaning "rounded". >"Hebrew is Greek" is a well-known work of crackpottery. I say this as someone with a literal degree in linguistics.AKA a couple community college courses in Tel Aviv. Do you have any actual arguments against it or what I have said? You keep making blind and muted appeals to authority of various kinds and the action of doing so is about the most anti-intellectual thing one could do.
>>18052713>Neither did Greek or Latin in ancient times.Sometimes. Spaces have been found on pottery fragments and curse tablets, along with dots used instead of spaces.>Yes, because the Arabic "dialects" have evolved into different languagesYou could just say he's right since you're both agreeing. You did this weird thing where you repeated what he said back to him like you were giving him new information but you didn't provide anything of value.
>>18052716>Vowelization was, you're going to hate this and grit your teeth, expanded by Syriac in the late classical period with influence by the Greeks.Right- late antiquity.>In fact the first alphabet to do this is called estrangela, from the Greek word meaning "rounded".Yes, Greek was highly influential. Semitic is still its own family.>AKA a couple community college courses in Tel Aviv. Do you have any actual arguments against it or what I have said? You keep making blind and muted appeals to authority of various kinds and the action of doing so is about the most anti-intellectual thing one could do.I am not going to reiterate for the millionth time what better linguists than me have already explained.>>18052719>Sometimes. Spaces have been found on pottery fragments and curse tablets, along with dots used instead of spaces.But it very commonly lacked it.>You could just say he's right since you're both agreeing. You did this weird thing where you repeated what he said back to him like you were giving him new information but you didn't provide anything of value.My point is that it doesn't imply anything particularly good or bad about Arabic, just that it's not actually a single language.
>>18052721Next time you can just post 'yes' and I'll know you're agreeing with everything I'm saying.
>>18051875He's either a troll or a schizo. Either way it's best to ignore him.
>>18051824yhwh is a canaanite storm god, the Israelites started a monotheistic cult around him and broke off from the canaanites. Thats why a lot of the Hebrew bible is about their "god" conveniently ordering them to genocide canaanites and take their lands. Casual bronze age shit.
>>18052762None of that makes sense to me.
>>18052713I never said they did. Stop deflecting ;) "E-e-e-everybody else was d-d-doing it t-t-t-too." I never said they weren't. Stop deflecting ;) In other words, my initial statement was entirely correct. Why are you just repeating every fact I've already stated?
>>18052765Congrats bro
>>18053731What? I'm asking you to explain each claim.
>>18051879>The Dead Sea scrolls predate the Septuagintbullshit.
>>18053754It was a retarded claim, even for him.
>>18051824>The tetragrammatic name "Yhwh" does not appear in the Bible.Yes it does, numerous times. First example, Genesis 2:4 has יהוה (YHWH) pic related. It's translated LORD following Jewish and early Christian practice of saying the Hebrew or Greek word for "lord" instead of pronouncing the name.
>>18052765Google "yahweh". He was a storm god of the Canaanite pantheon. The Canaanites being henotheistic, each tribe viewed other gods as real but their tribal god as supreme since they had a special connection to it/that god looked after them.Jews being Canaanites themselves, one of those tribes, also participated in this. And their tribal god was Yahweh. They didn't become monotheist and start denying other gods until the Babylonian exile and getting influenced by Zoroastrianism in Persia. This shit can be found in any history of the god or text on the region. Assuming it isn't someone religiously motivated and prone to distorting or leaving some shit out. It's actually pretty fascinating how it happened and how conceptions changed throughout the ages.
>Google henotheism, which the Bible continuously points out and criticizesI see why this thread is considered a troll one.
>>18053761Ackchyually, Yahweh worship seems to have been limited to the Israelites and possibly the Edomites. He would have been a local patron god of the tribe rather than part of the broader west semitic pantheon. A parallel example is Chemosh, god of the Moabites, he's mentioned in a 9th century BC Moabite inscription and in the Hebrew Bible.
>>18053766>i dont care what the evidence says MUH BIBLE SAYS JEEBUS IS LE REAL AMEN HALLELLUJAHLmao. What a fucking joke.
>>18053773You... you didn't get that the Bible directly checks out with the evidence presented?
>>18053761>GoogleNo, I'm asking you to prove your point, not others.>He was a storm god of the Canaanite pantheonThat's where we divide because Baal, El, and Yhwh all seem to etymologically come from different places. Yhwh comes from Jove as an archetype of a God who was brought by the Sea Peoples, Baal as an archetype for a lord or king, and El perhaps as a general type of creator deity inspired by Anu.>each tribe viewed other gods as real but their tribal god as supreme since they had a special connection to it/that god looked after them.I don't see a direct correlation between Canaanites and the OT. The OT seems to be a hodgepodge of a bunch of different religions plagiarized and stitched together.>Jews being Canaanites themselvesBut Deuteronomy says that the Canaanites must be exterminated wholesale, not married with, not treated with, annihilated utterly and completely. Jesus calls a Canaanite woman a gentile and likens her to a dog.
>>18053780Yeah the book comprised of many books written over the span of many different years and having many different conceptions and understandings of god and spirituality written by many different authors is better evidence than archeology and actual evidence. That's why we use Spiderman comics to tell people what New York City is like instead of visiting the actual city. It's just logical right? I can tell you're religious given how low you have to humiliate yourself and how retarded an argument you need to make to hang on to your imaginary friend. Fucking enbarrassing.
>>18053758I've seen it before, and always brought up by a butthurt yid.
>>18053791I'll take that as a no.
>>18053789Not reading the rest of your schizobabble.
>>18053795I accept your concession. Absolutely disgraceful.
>>18053797If modern "hebrews" claim to be Canaanites, then maybe that's why Deuteronomy and Jesus Christ himself tried to warn you about them and call them the "Synagogue of Satan", and "those who claim they are jews, but not".
>>18053802No it's not about claims. But genetics, archeology, etc. Nobody is taking some random Jew's word for it. That's the conclusion all the evidence leads to.
>>18053801I didn't concede. I asked you if you understood what you were replying to and you proved you didn't. All emotions you now carry are your own fault.
>>18053810Genetics? Where did you find ancient Canaanite genetics, friend?
>>18053813>Where did you find ancient Canaanite genetics, friend?Their fucking bones, retard. They didn't live that long ago. The same forensics methods we use when we find long dead bodies works on them too. They aren't so far back in the past that DNA has almost completely degraded.
>>18053820Nah
>>18053810Those are mutually exclusive concepts and we have Jesus saying they're not really jewish, and calling them gentiles. Guess what that means? They're one or the other, and if they're Canaanite, then they're not jewish.
>>18053827>we have dna evidence and other evidence that confir->NUH UHGreat argument.
>>18053829>but some guy in my favorite book of jewish fairytales said...I don't give a shit. Evidence > some guy said so in a book of fiction.
>>18053830Yeah lol
>>18051824>YhwhIs not the name of the one true God. These attempts to bind God with a name are pointless, adam was not given such a gift. However, the name of God was given to Christians for their salvation... solve that riddle to secure eternal life.
>>18053834Jesus' words line directly up with the fictional book and the reality you're describing.
>>18053843Don't make me post about Zeus again. I'm a convinced Romano-Hellenist.
>>18051824>All sects and divisions of Christianity and judaism are therefore cultic using modern interpretations rather than ancient divine word.No shit? You mean to tell me you read the pre-Neo-Babylon part of the bible and thought nothing of it?You saw all the banning of traditional practices which were impotently handwaived away with "we wuz led astray!", and it didn't make you scratch your head?You saw Elijah (a literal cave dwelling retard) replace Solomon (unironically the wisest man who ever lived) and undo everything he did to build peace with the Canaanites before God literally struck him down, and you didn't raise any eyebrows?The beauty of the world is that even through lying, treacherous, unfilial teeth, God's truth still slips through. The bible tells you everything you need to know that it's a corrupted text of complete nonsense.
>>18053845Wow. The guy in this book of fiction who didn't know shit lines up with the book he's in and not with reality? Shocking. Clearly I should believe the book with magic men and talking snakes over dumb dumb shit like "DNA".
>>18053861It's still not clicking. That's okay, we can come back to it later.
>>18053861NTA, just wondering, how old are you?
