Historically speaking, why did recreational cannabis in the West not take off the way alcohol and tobacco did? It has been available for thousands of years, yet it only entered the collective consciousness as a plant to be smoked for pleasure after cigarettes had already possessed the entire world.
Alcohol was so pervasive across society (and enjoyed by those at the top of it) in a way that cannabis never really was. It probably could have been legalised in the 20th century but huge anti-drug campaigns helped it retain a taboo that alcohol just didn't even, even with prohibition.There are "harmful products" (cigs, alcohol) but which are deemed as "adults deciding to use them" and then the scary evil nasty spooky drugs and the even scarier drug DEALERS. It will probably be legalised in more of Europe in the forseeable (France, Ireland, for example) because it'll help hinder the illicit drug trade in return for sweet tax money. Elsewhere, it depends. "I hate drugs" is too popular a political stance for others to turn to the tide
>>18053284Not sure about cigarettes, but alcohol partially disinfects water and wine symbolically represents Christ's life (grapes die, come back with spirit, multiply joy). Cannabis opens you up to spiritually unclean influences.
>>18053284Supposedly the cannabis strains grown in Europe were not particularly potent, so they grew it to use as rope fiber, not an intoxicant.
>>18053730>Cannabis opens you up to spiritually unclean influences.but it does not cause physical dependence, unlike alcohol, moreover, weed is tens of times less harmful to the psyche and health.
>>18053776>>spiritually unclean influences>bu not physically or emotionallyMaybe. But spiritually.
>>18053776>weed is tens of times less harmful to the psyche and healthexcept when it gives you schizophrenia and such
>>18053734A good effect can be achieved using any cannabis, even wild-growing, but only if it's boil in full-fat milk for several hours. Smoking such weed is, of course, useless.
>>18053784>But spiritually.Alcohol is also worse in this regard.>>18053785This disease is determined by genetics, and weed can only slightly speed up its development.
>>18053796>>But spiritually.>Alcohol is also worse in this regard.How did you determine this?
>>18053796>weed can only slightly speed up its development.No, weed can outright trigger it. Of course, many other things can too, but if you're genetically at a high percentile risk for schizophrenia, weed doesn't just make you get it at 50 instead of 55. You will start going crazy upon regular use.
>>18053800Logically, alcohol interferes with impulse control and makes you aggressive, which ultimately leads to fights, rape, and other sinful behavior. Weed doesn't have this effect; on the contrary, it makes you more peaceful.
>>18053814Yes, you will become a loser instead of a rapist. I already admit the possibility that emotions are more damaged when abusing alcohol in >>18053784. That was not what I was pointing out.
>>18053808this is also true for alcohol.
>>18053818Marginally. You're now making it harder and harder for me to maintain the belief that you're honest about this.
>>18053821Delirious psychosis is a better known and more severe condition than anything associated with marijuana.https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Delirium
>>18053828Which is not schizophrenia, as the wiki article itself points out.Again, I do have a feeling you're not being quite honest. Years and years of extreme booze abuse will produce delirium, yes. A few sessions of weed can trigger schizophrenia outright, if so predisposed. Completely different risk levels.
>>18053835>A few sessions of weed can trigger schizophrenia outright, if so predisposed. Completely different risk levels.I've heard similar claims before, though I've never seen any references to serious scientific or medical sources. I hope you have some evidence to back up your claims?
>>18053847Yes, Robert Plomin cites many studies in his book Blueprint, going as far as himself refusing to try marijuana after getting his DNA test results, if memory serves well. A fascinating book, genes play a massive role, it turns out.
>>18053854Guy writes a book about it, but refuses to even try it once.Doesn't really give me much confidence in his work.
>>18053854Okay, I'll take that into account. Although I assume that cases of marijuana-induced schizophrenia are hundreds of times fewer than cases of alcohol-induced encephalopathy.
>>18053862Blueprint isn't about weed. It's about genetics. Not sure why someone reviewing studies and implementing their conclusions should have less confidence than a stoner.
>>18053867Fewer or less frequent? Delirium is not exactly frequent to begin with, you have to have a chronic alcohol addiction to even reach a 10% risk rate.
>>18053868You should prove your thesis, or atleast try to.
>>18053875Such as by citing a respected scientist's publication where he makes a specific case based on a volume of cited sources? >>18053854 ?
>>18053877Nope. Do your own work, not cite others.
>>18053897Ahaha my bad, I thought science and peer review might make at least somewhat of a case. But it seems nothing may stand in the way of ganja. No further objections and I'm looking forward to reading your published work.
I became convinced that weed can probably cause lasting psychosis in some people by trying it and noticing that every time I tried it I would reliably have brief auditory hallucinations of voices in the few days after, and occasionally my thoughts would be weird gibberish, like grammatically correct but with random words inserted. And I'd sometimes misperceive things and the misperception would stay longer than normal, like seeing a stick and mistaking it for a snake, but the snake impression lasts for longer than just an instant. I also have the sense that the reality-altering intensity of the high I get from single decent puff of cannabis is much greater than the average person, though Idk how you'd verify that. It's very dissociative and dreamlike and strange.
>>18053934I had the same on LSD. I took it, had a great night and then went to school the next day. Disorientation and gibberish thoughts persisted and at some point I wrote "The income depends on the fairy" into my economics notebook, stared at it for a good minute and then left the class as my brain was obviously of no use. Never happened with a hangover, might I add...
Cannabis had strains and potency, and carried the stigma of being improvised.
>>18053934Well, i suppose the consumption demands discretion, and synthetic garbage should be discarded.
>>18053988As far as I know it was high quality stuff, not synthetic. I even used indica over sativa as a rule. And the next-few-days occasional voice hallucinations would even be set off by simple full-spectrum CBD gummies.
>>18054000And I didn't source everything from the same shady corner store. The cannabis was from a few different dispensaries and the CBD gummies were from a grocery store. I was just tagging along with someone else each time I got stuff and the other person never lost it as far as I know despite smoking a lot more than me, though we drifted apart. I really think some people like me just have especially wiggly cannabis-to-psychosis-switches in our brains so that even a small amount of THC or CBD or whatever pushes us in that direction. It's actually kind of fun to be just a bit psychotic, though I quit to make sure that I wasn't actually steadily becoming schizophrenic, and sure enough, with no cannabis in my system, life is completely hallucination and strangeness free.
>>18054065*free and has been for years
>>18053776>weed is tens of times less harmful to the psycheWeed is still unambiguously bad for the psyche. At best, it does neither good nor bad, but it's probably a stretch to elevate it an order of magnitude above alcohol.That title should probably go to this.
>>18054197If you have the shitty genetics of a schizophrenic, even weed might be bad for you.Personally, I've only noticed positive changes, like a reduction in my OCD, overall I've become less nervous and more relaxed and calm, and my sleep has improved somewhat.It's worth noting that I'm not a greedy pig; sometimes it's once every two weeks, sometimes a joint on the weekends.
>>18054358>my anecdotal case mattersWeed lowers motivation, its fine to use now and then but more often than not heavy users are losers.
>>18054373Well, that's your opinion. It's not supported by anything.
>>18054358Any benefit to OCD is probably from CBD due to its anti-anxiety effects. THC is pretty much universally not a net positive for mental health. The people who swear by it are usually the ones who develop an unhealthy dependence.https://youtu.be/ZvUDY8Sr4ac?t=1034You don't need to be susceptible to schizophrenia to suffer either. THC is kind of the antithesis of psilocybin in that it promotes stagnation of cognitive development. That's fine if you're a grass-mowing boomer, but terrible if you're an academically active zoomer.
>Works better than caffeine>Served directly as it isSo why did coffee infest the world instead?
>>18055751Coffee involves taking delicious sips instead of chewing leaves like a retarded donkey
>>18055759>chewing leaves like a retarded donkey
>>18055751Muslim Sufi's popularised coffee because they saw goats become energetic after consuming the plant and then used it themselves to help them stay awake to pray.Cannabis was first used as clothes (I Think)and some Hindu rituals, then when Indians went to the Carribean as slaves they took Ganja (Hindi word for Cannabis) and all the new African slaves that also arrived got an affinity for it and thats how Jamaicans are known for weed.Cannabis also had to be genetically selected to have more THC (the high feeling) it is naturally higher in CBD.
>>18055751Khat leaves lose their potency within a day of being picked, and Khat only grows well in certain soil types found in the horn of Africa and Yemen. As a result, Khat usage could not easily spread further to other areas the way that the coffee bean could.t. chewed Khat in Ethiopia a few times
