Josephus was the heteronym of Arrius Piso, a half-Maccabean RomanArrius Piso also wrote as Plutarch, Philo of Alexandria and wrote the Gospels kata (according to) Mark and Matthew
>>18054952Josephus was an 11th century forgery.
>>18054952No, he was the Pharisee Saul of Tarsus, (aka the Apostle Paul) (aka Yosef bar-Mathias, aka Joseph of Arimathea). Once you know this, you will begin to know the New Testament. "Saul! Saul! Why do you persecute me?"
Mormon was an African.
>>18054958NoHe as an heteronym of Arrius Calpurnius Piso
>>18054986>heteronymI don't think you know what that word means. -us endings are not heteronymic.
I mean, imagine if this were real. It does bear some parallels to the modern situation.
>>18054958>>18054978Christianity was created by the Jewish elite allied with the Romans to make the average Jew pay their taxes and control the poor with the promise of another life.
>>18055034Greeks started judaism to subvert Canaanite culture, Christianity was started by the Roman elite. Hence why the greatest patriarchs in the clergy claimed Roman noble lineages, and none of them claim jewish lineages after the 3rd century AD.
>>18055068>çãI see you...
>>18055042Yes, and there's tons of explicitly pro-Roman propaganda in the NT, as well. -Render unto Caesar. Jesus took in tax collectors. Forgive them, they know not what they do. The very concept of a living god-king. Actual Caesar, and even Nero, were said to have risen from the dead and ascended to heaven, etc......The Romans in the NT are just "innocent idiots" and a plot device for the most part. Made it easier to co-opt down the line when the boss Himself already pre-forgave them and whilst on the cross itself no less.
>>18055042Judaism was created by the priests sent by Cyrus the Great to control Judea. That is why Cyrus is the Messiah in the Old Testament
>>18055084The Romans master minded the whole thing. It was simple really.
>>18055090"jews" did not exist in Persia during that time. They did not exist at all.
>>18055094Bible in Isaiah 45:1 says he was anointed by God to fulfill God's purposes, including freeing the Jews from Babylonian exile and enabling the rebuilding of the Second Temple.
>>18055100>Bible in Isaiah 45:1This text was produced, at the earliest, in the 3rd century BC at Alexandria in Egypt under the auspices of Ptolemy, who was known for crafting religious cults.
>>18055101>>18055094>>18055042Jerusalem comes from the word Uru-Shalim, which means "City of Shalim", Shalim/Shalom was a Canaanite god, whose name Solomon himself derived from him, Shalim was the brother of Shahar, father of Helel, also known as Lucifer in the Latin Vulgate. The Assyrian name for Shalim is Shulmanu or Salmanu, which is seen in several names of Assyrian kings called Shalmaneser. Solomon is Shulmanu, who is also the Assyrian version of the legendary fourth Persian king from the Epic of Kings (Shahnameh), Jamshid, also known as the Zoroastrian sun god Hvare-Khshaeta, Hindu/Buddhist god of death Yama and primordial Norse titan god Ymir. The ancient Arab pagans called him Shalaman.The Temple was not Yahweh's, it was the Temple of Solomon, or rather the Temple of Shalim/Shalmanu. As the god of the temple was Shalim/Shalmanu/Solomon, its worshipers were not monotheists, they were part of a satellite of Egypt/Mesopotamia and were more or less culturally, linguistically and ethnically equal to the Canaanites/Phoenicians. Persia destroyed Assyria and plundered Babylon, where they found a band of Canaanite captives working as merchants/traders and bankers. The Persians created Judaism by synthesizing their monotheistic religion, Zoroastrianism, with Assyro-Babylonian and Egyptian-Canaanite myths as a way to unify the Canaanite tribes and integrate them into their Empire.
>>18055100>enabling the rebuilding of the Second Temple.A Roman fort on the site originally dedicated to Zeus by the Greeks.
>>18055094>>18055100>>18055042Jews were a product of one of the first unified Aryan empires of Persia. Their religion was Zoroastrianism/Mithraism. Persia destroyed Assyria and sacked Babylon, but was corrupted by his priesthood, where it found a bunch of Canannite captives working as merchants/traders and early bankers. The Persians created Judaism from synthesizing Babylonian and Canaanite myths as a way to unify the Canaanite tribes and fold them into the empire as their puppets.There was no Judaism and not a single shred of evidence anything but Phoenecian/Canaanite/Baal worship existed before the Babylonian captivity when the Canaanites were returned to the Levant as under persian rule and persians funded the creation of Jerusalem using the jew religion to unify the various Semite castoff tribes the Egyptians referred to as the Hyksos or Habiru, which later became Hebrew.Temple Judaism lasted from around 538BC to 70AD and was not much different than any of the other animal sacrifice cults of the middle east and had almost nothing in common with Rabbinic Judaism.Modern Rabbinic Judaism was not really a thing until sometime after 500AD likely and is infact much younger than Christianity. Like Temple Judaism, it also developed in Persian Ruled Babylon.
>>18055103>Jerusalem comes fromWhich is irrelevant, because the name is not attested until relatively late. The Greeks were calling it Hieropolis, meaning holy-city, years prior. They were not calling it that because of some made up new wave cultic text either. They thought it had historical relevance going back to the time of conquest.Connecting the Norse Ymir to Solomon is pure unbridled insanity. Here's your first temple by the way.
>>18055109>Jews were a product ofOof. Following the forgeries right off the cliff.>Modern Rabbinic JudaismComes from the 19th century. Rabbinicalism comes from the 9th century. They're not related to judaism other than being a LARP.
>>18054952The origin of the city of JerusalemUru-Shalim is an ancient form of the name of the city of Jerusalem that appears in Egyptian records such as the 19th-century BC Execration Texts and the 14th-century BC Amarna Letters. The name is often interpreted as "Foundation of Shalem" or "City of Shalem", referring to Shalem, a Canaanite deity linked to the sunset or to peace and wholeness.Etymology of the nameUru: In Canaanite languages such as Akkadian, it means "city" or "foundation".Shalim: Derives from the Canaanite god Shalim, which may also be linked to the Semitic word for "peace", "safe", or "complete".Ancient recordsExecration Texts (c. 1900-1800 BC): They record the name as Rushalimum.Amarna Letters (c. 1350–1330 BC): They mention the city as Ú-ru-ša-limki.Development of the nameFrom Uru-Shalim, the name evolved into the Hebrew Yerushalayim, meaning "City of Peace."This Hebrew form was adopted into other languages, giving rise to variations such as Ierusalém (Greek), Gerusalemme (Italian), and Jerusalem (English)."Shalim" was the name of a Canaanite god of twilight, and the city that would become Jerusalem was founded as a Canaanite village called Shalim, meaning "Twilight of the Goddesses." This Canaanite root is present in the name "Jerusalem" (Yerushalayim), which combined the Canaanite word for the hill (Zion) with "Shalem," or "(He) casts Peace" in the Aramaic language.Origins and Evolution of the Name:Canaanite Antiquity:Around 1750 BC, the Canaanites built a village in the region that is now Jerusalem, calling it Shalim, referring to the Canaanite god of twilight.Aramean Influence:Later, around 550 BC, the city was renamed Jerusalem (Yerushalayim) by the Arameans, which meant "(He) casts Peace."
>>18054952>>18055118Dual Meaning:This evolution reflects the Canaanite root of the name (Shalim) and the later addition of the Aramaic element that associated it with peace, as seen in the expression "Jerusalem" (City of Peace).Shulmanu is the name of the Mesopotamian god Salamu (or Shulmu or Shalim), after whom Jerusalem is believed to have been originally named.The terms salamu in Arabic and shalom in Hebrew originate from this god, called Shalim, Salamu, and Shulmanu.Relationship with SolomonIt is believed that King Solomon's name has a common origin with this god, and that Solomon's Temple was actually the Temple of Shulmanu in Jerusalem.Origin of the name:The city of Jerusalem may have been called Bit Šulmáni (or Temple of Shulmanu) before being conquered by the Israelites, according to contemporary sources such as the El-Amarna letters.The name "Solomon" is seen as a possible derivative of "Shulmanu," a Mesopotamian god found in Akkadian sources as Shelmi, Shulmanu, or Salamu.Connection to Solomon's Temple:The theory proposes that the famous Temple of Solomon was actually the temple dedicated to Shulmanu.The king of Jerusalem, in his El-Amarna letters, would have referred to the "Temple of Shulmanu," where a king of Damascus encouraged his subordinates to gather.Evidence:"Solomon" is believed to have been added to the biblical king's name in the Greek Septuagint, the Greek version of the Old Testament.The root "Salim" (Salem), associated with the god of the same name and the sunset, represents peace (shalom), and is a root found throughout the Near East.
>>18055118>Execration Texts and the 14th-century BC Amarna LettersWhoa- don't slide past this. Can you show the line items? Substantiate these.
>>18055118>Execration Texts (c. 1900-1800 BC): They record the name as Rushalimum.>Amarna Letters (c. 1350–1330 BC): They mention the city as Ú-ru-ša-limki.Oh great, it's a nothing burger.
>>18054952O segredo do cristianismo:O segredo do cristianismo está em 1 Pedro 2:18-2518Escravos domésticos (oiketai), sujeitem-se a seus senhores com todo o respeito, não apenas aos bons e amáveis, mas também aos maus.19Porque é louvável que, por motivo de sua consciência para com Deus, alguém suporte aflições sofrendo injustamente.20Pois, que vantagem há em suportar açoites recebidos por terem cometido o mal? Mas se vocês suportam o sofrimento por terem feito o bem, isso é louvável diante de Deus.21Para isso vocês foram chamados, pois também Cristo sofreu no lugar de vocês, deixando-lhes exemplo, para que sigam os seus passos.Ou seja, assim como Jesus, deus, o messias, o salvador, sofreu calado, sofreu em silêncio, aguentou toda a dor, respeitou a autoridade e a hierarquia de Pilatos e mandou que seus seguidores também as respeitassem, pagando seus impostos, O ESCRAVO E O SERVO também precisam sofrer em silêncio e obedecer à hierarquia social dada pelo próprio Deus, pois a sua recompensa e a justiça estão em outra vida e não nessa.Nessa vida, a obrigação de todo explorado é trabalhar, obedecer, abaixar a cabeça e rezar.Como Paulo disse, toda autoridade foi dada por Deus e todo escravo deve obedecer a seus senhores terrenos.Pois Jesus, o próprio Deus, sofreu calado e não desafiou Roma.E assim devem fazer todos os pobres, servos e escravos.A Igreja Católica sempre enfatiza o quanto o sofrimento é bom, pois ele seria pedagógico,e o respeito à autoridade e à hierarquia.
>>18055128Bom, o sofrimento não é pedagógico. Ninguém merece sofrer. Ninguém merece precisar passar por dor e humilhações para aprender sobre a vida e ser mais forte. Essa dicotomia entre sofrer e amar é o centro do cristianismo. Pois quem ama, faz o outro sofrer para ensiná-lo. Amor seria sofrimento e sofrimento seria amor. E o louvor ao sofrimento é a base sobre a qual se ergueu uma religião que tem um deus crucificado, humilhado e sangrando em carne. Pois o sofrimento da carne nada significaria para quem pode ganhar o céu, a verdadeira vida.Cânone Terceiro do Concílio de Gangra (376 aD)3. Aquele que, sob pretexto de uma falsa devoção, ensina a um escravo a desprezar a seu senhor, a deixar seu serviço e não atendê-lo com diligência e toda honra, que seja anatematizado.Ver Cânon Apostólico 82.
>>18055125>Yeah we need to make the word Rushalimum sound like Jerusalem>Okay easy peasy just ad a yu-er no wait that's too obvious...>Add a U- to the beginning of the word and play with it a little>We'll fudge the U to a Je later
>>18054958We literally have commentaries of the Bible using Josephus as a source from the 9th century
>>18055165Post those commentaries for review.
>>18055165This is a history board so obviously we have to run a textual analysis on transmission.
>>18055173Raban, Epistolae no. 18 in MGH Epistolae 5:423>I inserted in many places the writing of the Jewish historian Josephus and also the opinions of a certain Jew who these days excels in the learning of the LawThis being part of his commentary on the book of Kings.
>>18055184Let me show you what I'm seeing:https://www.dmgh.de/mgh_epp_5/index.htm#page/(VII)/mode/1upand:https://documentacatholicaomnia.eu/04z/z_0788-0856__Rabanus_Maurus__Epistolae__MLT.pdf.htmlhttps://documentacatholicaomnia.eu/02m/0788-0856,_Rabanus_Maurus,_Epistolae,_MLT.pdfI don't see that specified text in either version.
>>18055184You listed both epistolae and a commentary on Kings, so I checked the commentary:https://documentacatholicaomnia.eu/04z/z_0788-0856__Rabanus_Maurus__Commentaria_In_Libros_IV_Regum__MLT.pdf.htmlAnd did not find it.
>>18055212>And did not find it.This is because you are looking at the wrong source, and not the one I cited.https://www.dmgh.de/mgh_epp_5/#page/422/mode/1upLook at the lines 30-35.>in quibus, sicut et in presenti opere feci, Ioesphi Iuderoum historici narrationem, necnon et Hebrei cuiusdam modernis temporibus in legis scientia florentis opiniones plerisque
>>18055257This really should have just been your post to begin with instead of referencing both an epistolae and a commentary. It also does not change my opinion since it does not prove that the version of Josephus used then is the same as that of the 11th century. The early church fathers already mention a Josephus, so there's no doubt that a man existed, but the book that is appointed to him is in doubt. But what is surprising is that he's pointing to an unnamed jewish source in his time, at a time and place where it would have been most unlikely. I think we've talked about that before.
>>18055257>First complete edition collected in... 17th centuryGod damnit. This is even earlier !
>>18055267>This really should have just been your post to begin with instead of referencing both an epistolae and a commentary.It literally is both.>It also does not change my opinion since it does not prove that the version of Josephus used then is the same as that of the 11th centurySo there is a clear continuity from antiquity to the 9th century. At what point does the entirety of Josephus get fabricated and completely replace the old one and absolutely nobody comments on it?>>18055285I don't know if you're being obtuse but the sources literally are from the 9th century. Being compiled later into a modern version on does not make it fake, especially considering these are compiled from the sources that originated from the time period.
>>18054952Babarauma
>>18054952>>18054958 >>18054978Calpurnius Piso Galerianus died in 70 C.E. Flavius Josephus ben Mattityahu - Saul of Tarsus - Yohanan ben Zakkai died 30 years later at most.
>>18055787>“Following the siege and surrender of Jerusalem, Josephus Flavius reports that over a million people died, while 97,000 were taken captive (War 6:9:3.). Numbers were high because pilgrims from all over the region had crammed into Jerusalem for Passover. However, do note that Josephus often exaggerates. >For his assistance in defeating the Nazarene Jews of Edessa, Josephus Flavius (ie: Saul) was granted: Roman citizenship, a pension, a dispensation to free his family and friends, the Torah scroll from the Temple, and a tax-free estate on the Judaean plain. It is my contention that this estate became Yavne, the new Sanhedrin of Judaism where local Judaic governance could be maintained, and a Judaic scriptorium could be established.>At Yabne the conflated Saul-Josephus compiled: a history of the Jewish Revolt (Bellum) firstly in Aramaic and then in Greek; a new semi-secular Old Testament (Antiquities of the Jews); his own biography (Vita); and a polemic against Apion (Contra Apion). Do note that Josephus employed Epaphroditus to oversee these great endeavours - the same scribe and translator that Saul had used.>The gospels were also composed at this time. We know this because they contain a lot of material from Josephus, which is why it is highly likely that (Saul) Josephus wrote or edited the gospels. Acts and Luke especially, are highly dependent upon the works of the conflated Saul-Josephus. As further evidence for the date of their composition, the gospels also mention the siege of Jerusalem, the death of Zacharias, and the lampooning of Zizit ben Hakeseth, which are all AD 60s events and characters. The Gospels are plainly an account of the Jewish Revolt in AD 66 to 70.
>>18055787>>18055789>However, although Rome promoted the new Rome-friendly Simple Judaism of Saul (Josephus), they did not want any glorification of a rebel against Rome. >Thus the history of the Revolt was thrust back in to the AD 20s, to conceal the true nature of these events. In addition, all of these works, both secular and theological, have expunged all mention of Edessa and the despised Edessan monarchy who started the Revolt.>It was Saul-Josephus who organised this chronological dislocation and the deletion and cancellation of Edessa, at the request (the demand) of Emperor Vespasian. All mention of Edessa and Edessans became taboo, which is why they are never mentioned in the works of Josephus nor in the gospels. Even though the first gospel ever written came from Edessa; this is the earliest extant gospel by a long margin, written in the AD 70s in Edessan Aramaic and Estrangelo script.”
>>18055792>>It was Saul-Josephus who organised this chronological dislocation and the deletion and cancellation of Edessa, at the request (the demand) of Emperor Vespasian. All mention of Edessa and Edessans became taboo, which is why they are never mentioned in the works of Josephus nor in the gospels. Even though the first gospel ever written came from Edessa; this is the earliest extant gospel by a long margin, written in the AD 70s in Edessan Aramaic and Estrangelo script.” This is unironically correct. Edessa is the key to the entire NT, and was the very first stop on the very first First Crusade despite it being well out of the way of Jerusalem and other cities to the South. Gee, I wonder why?
