How come all natsoc defenders on the internet are americans with <1% german blood?Do they realize Nazi Germany hated them?Why do they call themselves "american nationalists" if they wish their country had been dissolved into a reichskommissariat?
>>18055299all a larp, they engage with natsoc only on a superficial aesthetic level, a tiny majority actually lives it and they're not on the internet
>>18055299Living among black people breeds racism.It's natural and inevitable.
>>18055320you dont need to be a natsoc to be racist lmaodo you think confederates were natsocs?you just pick the edgiest thing to larp about
>>18055325National-socialism was about having your own ethnostate where ethnic minorities would be either powerless or outright absent.Confederatism was about owning other races as slaves.If you'd rather see white faces only, it's definitely the Swastika over the Dixie flag
>>18056192Europe was already a 99% European ethnostate and Germany wasalready a 99% German ethnostate.
>>18056195But not everyone liked how much power the Jews had and still have
>>18056192nazis empolyed slave labour on a massive scale
>>18056192they also killed exclusively white people
>>18055299Most American natsoc do not idolize German genetics OR nazi Germany, so the premise of your question is flawed.Most see the ideal American white person as ideal and envision a natsoc united states, or the creation of a natsoc separatist state.
>>18056226Jews and communists- social waste
>>18055299>go to mostly american forum>surprised to find mostly americansNot sure what you'd expect. >>18056192NS is much more than simply having an ethnostate though. It's a worldview, not a demographics percentage.
>>18056328social waste that they lost to and got raped by
>>18056314what the fuck is natsoc
Nazism can't actually exist outside a German context, any so-called American Nazis are just libertarians+"I hate nogs"
>>18056355National Socialism
>>18056349A worldview of genociding Slavs and worshiping "Nordic-Germanic blood" as Wotan/God.
>>18056359>Nazism can't actually exist outside a German contextThat's not true at all. There were NS movements across Europe even before 1933, and the SS became a pan-European project. Read Degrelle.>so-called American Nazis are just libertarians+"I hate nogs"Kek. No lie detected.
>>18056314>Most American natsoc do not idolize German genetics OR nazi Germanythey do, stop lying
>>18055299I think most of them are too retarded to understand that, yes. For the vast majority of modern 'fascists' they're more concerned with the fact that the word triggers the people they hate, which must make it a good thing as far as they're concerned.
>>18056537>the SS became a pan-European projectThey just realized they were losing and decided to use others as cannon fodder. The real SS divisions were named differently and never compromised on their strict requirements of Nordic-Germanic blood, like Wiking and Das Reich. But if you don't believe me, take it from the leader of the SS himself. Degrelle was irrelevant and lied constantly after the war about Nazi Germany being inclusive of Slavic populations, which it was not.> In July 1942, Himmler ordered the chief of the SS-Führungshauptamt (SSFHA, SS Operations Main Office), Hans Jüttner, to ensure that non-Germans serving in SS legions wore national emblems and not SS runes on their lapels, for he wanted ‘for all time, to prevent the admission, as a result of the exigencies of war, of all men who are not, from the strictest perception, qualified to be SS men’.76 As late as September 1942, Himmler told SS and police leaders that his original concept of offering leadership positions to the ‘racially best’ members of foreign ‘races’ was flawed, as these men, perceiving themselves to be a new national elite, might some day challenge German supremacySource: The Waffen SS A European History
>>18056595>>18056537Himmler's Posen Speech:>One basic principle must be the absolute rule for the SS man: we must be honest, decent, loyal and comradely to members of our own blood and to nobody else. What happens to a Russian, to a Czech does not interest me in the slightest. What the nations can offer in the way of good blood of our type, we will take, if necessary by kidnapping their children and raising them here with us. Whether nations live in prosperity or starve to death interests me only in so far as we need them as slaves for our Kultur; otherwise, it is of no interest to me. Whether 10,000 Russian women fall down from exhaustion while digging an anti-tank ditch interests me only in so far as the anti-tank ditch for Germany is finished. We shall never be rough and heartless when it is not necessary, that is clear. We Germans, who are the only people in the world who have a decent attitude towards animals, will also assume a decent attitude towards these human animals. But it is a crime against our own blood to worry about them and give them ideals, thus causing our sons and grandsons to have a more difficult time with them. When somebody comes to me and says, “I cannot dig the anti-tank ditch with women and children, it is inhuman, for it would kill them,” then I have to say, “You are a murderer of your own blood because if the anti-tank ditch is not dug, German soldiers will die, and they are sons of German mothers. They are our own blood.” That is what I want to instill into the SS and what I believe have instilled into them as one of the most sacred laws of the future. Our concern, our duty is our people and our blood. It is for them that we must provide and plan, work and fight, nothing else. We can be indifferent to everything else. I wish the SS to adopt this attitude to the problem of all foreign, non-Germanic peoples, especially Russians. All else is vain, fraud against our own nation and an obstacle to the early winning of the war
>>18055299Do you realize how common Germans are in Amerika?
>>18056516nazis>>18056599there are even more anglos but nobody is talking about monarchy
>>18056595>The real SS divisions were named differently and never compromised on their strict requirements of Nordic-Germanic blood, like Wiking and Das Reich. Do you actually think Wiking was composed of Germans?>>18056598>Source: The Waffen SS A European HistoryMay we see the primary source instead please?>>18056598The Posen speech strikes me as cartoonish agitprop "discovered" post-war in time for the Nuremberg trials. There are numerous ideological inconsistencies in it too.The sources that I have read that were released by the NSDAP during the war show no such extreme racial animosity*. The Leithefte are even positive towards non-Germans* owning German land.*jews excepted, obviouslyBut I don't doubt that the SS had a racial hierarchy though, that is perfectly in line with NS doctrine. You can be pan-European without thinking all Europeans are equal, just as I do things for my wife and kids without thinking that we are all equals.
>>18056660>during the war*before the end of the war
>>18056192Ethnic minorities in the south were powerless
They use NatSoc rhetoric to dress up their anger about immigration, gender, and economics without grasping how incompatible Nazism is with their own country’s existence.
>>18055299>How come all natsoc defenders on the internet are americans with <1% german blood?Because it's all feds you stupid idiot.All fucking feds.Any non-Autistic person worked this out twenty years ago.
>>18056671>Ethnic minorities in the south were powerlessAnd, that's historical revisionism.
>>18056660Wiking was comprised of both Germans and also volunteers from the Netherlands and the Nordic countries, although it was originally intended to be made of Nordic volunteers. They were considered to be fellow Germanic, Nordic Aryans of good blood that would fit into the future Nazi order in Europe. No such niceties were extended to Slavs, and those SS divisions were formed late in the war as a way to get around the fact that non-Germans could not serve in the Wehrmacht. They were not real SS Divisions that could wear SS runes and symbols, they were not well-equipped, they were led by Germans as cannon fodder squads.>The Posen speech strikes me as cartoonish agitprop "discovered" post-war in time for the Nuremberg trials.Well too bad because it's his voice.>The sources that I have read that were released by the NSDAP during the war show no such extreme racial animosityThere are many". Der Untermensch" pamphlet, "The So-Called Russian Soul" column by Goebbels, many internal SS documents describing Slavs as racial inferiors of foreign blood to be conquered by Germanics like "Glauben und Kampfen" and "Nationalsozialistische Fremdvolkpolitik".>The Leithefte are even positive towards non-Germans* owning German land.Other Germanics like Danes and Dutch sure. And a small group of natives that were determined to have the right skull shape.>You can be pan-European without thinking all Europeans are equalExcept National Socialism is not just German chauvinism, exterminating Eastern Europeans to replace them with Germanic and Scandinavian people was a critical part of the program.
>>18056680>They were considered to be fellow GermanicSo you agree that you're ceding ground from German to Germanic, right?> to get around the fact that non-Germans could not serve in the WehrmachtExcept plenty of non-German units did serve in the Wehrmacht. An example:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blue_Division>hierarchies and racial differencesI've already agreed on the existence of a hierarchy. This does not preclude my theory.>der UntermenschIronically, this pamphlet explicitly presents various Westernish European races in a positive light, specifically Finns, Spaniards, Dutchmen and Italians.But I do agree that there was a certain degree of racial animosity towards the Slavs, which is not difficult to imagine given the historical context of WW2 and traditional Germanic-Slavic relations. But Slavs still did fight in significant numbers for the Germans, and if I understand the policies correctly, Slavs were understood as a cultural group (like Americans do with "Hispanics") which did contain both racially valuable and racially undesirable elements (think "White Hispanics" and "non-White Hispanics").>Other Germanics like Danes and Dutch sure.I actually specifically recall Poles being mentioned. I remember, because it surprised me. But I can't find the specific passage in my sources, so I don't expect you to take my word for it.>exterminating Eastern Europeans to replace them with Germanic and Scandinavian people was a critical part of the program.I'd posit that some but not all residents of Eastern Europe were liable to get ethnically cleansed one way or another. That isn't particularly surprising for the time period, and is arguably a mainstain of Eastern European internal relations as well. Turks and Greeks also largely ethnically cleansed their territories of each other in the same period.
>>18056680>>18056739If you'll allow me, I'd like to rephrase my original statement to "pan-Western-European" rather than "pan-European". That's what I meant (being a bit of a Western European chauvinist myself), and it is also largely the image Degrelle paints. The Slavic question is complex and even if I conceded to a total NS desire to racially annihilate all Slavs, it doesn't preclude me from disagreeing with the original comment claiming that "Nazism can't actually exist outside a German context".
>>18056746nazism mean dictatorship, more advanced societes like France, UK or USA would never allow such primitive system
>>18056660>The Posen speech strikes me as cartoonish agitprop "discovered" post-war in time for the Nuremberg trials. >Waah waah I don't like it so it can't be true Too bad>There are numerous ideological inconsistencies in it too.Inconsistent is one of the best words to define Hitler.
>>18056762>it doesn't have to make sense because nazis were le craaazyignored
>>18056739We can debate writings from the period all day, and maybe you can find some obscure line in a document that says Poles in theory could own property (which doesn't say much in itself) or some minor German anthropologist that says in an irrelevant book that Poles were Aryan, but the fact of the matter is that when the Germans invaded Eastern Europe, they began seizing property, farms, businesses, forcing the locals into slave labor, creating German settlements, mass violence and capital punishment for minor crimes, banning higher education for non-Germans, mass executions of the intelligentsia and middle class. That's what happened and I understand it's difficult for you to get around that which is why you try to sidestep the issue in this way. Either you think that the historical NS were mistaken and should have pursued a policy of Germanization or coexistence under German leadership or you justify ethnically cleansing Eastern Europe which was what Germany tried to do, there's really no in-between. When Keith Woods published his articles about the genocidal antislavism of Hitler and Nazis, a lot of people got really angry and hostile, without ever really addressing what he said. This particular point is kind of a giant gaping bleeding wound for modern apologists of National Socialism, they try to cover it up clumsily but don't really have any answers.
>>18056739Turks and Greeks signed a treaty where they agreed to exchange their populations, germans wanted to simply murder, enslave or expel (for almost certain death) people that their conqueredIt still amazes me how insincere neonazi rodents like you behave, it's like you guys have 0 reedeming qualities
>>18056785I didn't call them crazy You used the word inconsistent first, surely you know what it means?
>>18056786I don't think I at any point have claimed that once the fighting kicked off, the Germans played nice with the Slavs at all. I have no personal moral issues with a people ethnically cleansing territory for itself, whether they be Slavs or Germanics or Jews or whatever. It is what it is, no better or worse than the wolf eating the deer. It is a staple of human existence not to mention biological life.This conversation, as far as I am concerned, is about whether NS can exist outside of a German context. You've agreed that it can by agreeing that at least Germanics more broadly are compatible, right?
>>18056746>being a bit of a Western European chauvinist myselfRight, so your "pan-European" claim is just a rhetorical mask for your true beliefs. You do not care about Eastern Europeans. Germanic supremacism is not compatible with pan-Europeanism.
>>18056799>I have no personal moral issues with a people ethnically cleansing territoryyes we know that you are an evil piece of shit, not sure how that will help you shill your beloved nazism tho
>>18056801>>18056865>>18056793>>18056787Can you schizo ankle biters quiet down please.
>>180563548 million Germans died meanwhile 50+ million pathetic kikes, slavs and other communist scums got killed off. Slavic countries have the highest abortion,death rates & outer migration,while lowest birth rates and a complete shithole experience.
>>18055320>Tyrone bullying me in high school is a core tenet of the 1930s German National Socialist Party>>18056599>those faggots who fled Germany in the 1840s are the pride of German diasporaWhy are amerisharts like this? Just come up with your own ideas.
>>18056787Terrible example considering t*rks never deserved nor belonged to the land, and should have been deported/shot just like the Germans did to the P*les and other Slavic subhumans. Every people shall deserve their own ethno state and violence shall be the means to test that
>>18056876uh oh /pol/tranny melty incoming
>>18056903It's a fed. Trannies are universally apposed to /pol/ you idiot.
>>18056915Have you ever seen a irl /pol/ meet up?
>>18055299Martyr syndrome same as shitlibs
>>1805529990% of internet nazis are mestizos and Filipinos who wish they were white
>>18055299Most white Americans descend from either Britain or Germany, and don't particularly care about Poles or Russians. Why would they?
Americans you find being Nazi sympathizers are rarely part of the coastal Anglo elite. They are: 1. Deep South reprobates who already have a psychological predisposition toward hating other groups of people. 2. Latin American immigrants who view the blond Germans as their natural superiors and want a paternal state to set their lives in order for them. 3. The most civilized are white racist suburban internet kids who play too many video games and enjoy meme culture but would totally drop these views as soon as they picked them up. Normal, well-adjusted Americans do not have sympathies for fascism or racism — good old Protestant progressive respectability, for the most part
>>18055299The vast majority of radicals in America have no idea, about any aspect, of the ideologies that they "believe" in. It's like trying to find an American Communist that has read Hegel and Capital, or an American Fascist that knows fucking anything about fascism
I'm 5% German
>>18057008 I was told my dad was half German but he turned out to be 10%.
>>18056192>>18056349>>18056537NS was about germanic people being "muh superior race" and giving them the right to kill the rest. Hitler should have won so he could have went after murica later and kill all of you illiterate americans
>>18055299I'm blonde, blue eyed, german in Germany and I defend natsoc on the internet. What now?
>>18055299Where did Hitler say he hated White Americans and would have destroyed them?>>18055319>lives itWhat does this mean?How many NatSoc do you know?>>18056561It’s not a lie Pidor. Americans want a pro-American leader like Germany had a pro-German leader.Non-Whites are not entitled to rule over White people.
>>18058282>What now?you are a cuck
>>18056595>>18056598Rein’s race and culture of our ancestors was the official policy of the Nazi State. They counted Slavs as an Aryan people.You regularly fail to address this and I suspect it is because Rein’s work is so obscure you cannot use ChatGPT to sift through Reddit posts for a counter argument.The Nazis were not anti Slavic and none of the SS was ever used as canon fodder.Actual canon fodder were White Americans sent to fight their distant kin in a war none of them actually wanted but were forced into by a deranged government that was handing out weapons like candy.>>18056680>that’s his voiceNo actual proof of this however.Furthermore, “the Nazis said things” is not an argument.We have their official state policy and their actions during the war. They were hands down pro-Slavic when it came to Slavs who fought against Jewish rule.This is a fact. Rein’s work goes unrefuted.
>>18059129>Non-Whites are not entitled to rule over White people.yes, we are no, you won't do shit about it
>>18059148>The Nazis were not anti SlavicOn this board, Slav is used as a euphemism for Poles and Russians, which the Nazis were certainly racist towardThe fact they made alliances with Croat or Slovak nationalists doesn't matter
>>18059148we should rape more german whores and breed germans out of existence, i curse the mercifulness of my ancestors while they were dealing with the conquered vermin in 1945
>>18059159Croats were not considered to be racially Slavic, they thought they descended from the Goths and were primarily of Dinaric race which was the #2 race in Gunther's theory.
>>18059148Stop simping for Slavnegroes
>>18059148Kek this is what your precious Slavoids think of you >>18059160
>>18059170nooo that a hecking jew in disguise!! nazis and slavs are best friends ever just watch zoomer historian
>>18059129>Where did Hitler say he hated White Americans Read his declaration of war and the Table Talks for examples. You probably shouldn't have gleefully served international finance against Europe if you wanted his approval.
>>18059164That same theory didn’t consider Slavs to be a racial or ethnic group at all but a linguistic group, which was a combination of the actual European ethnic groups just like Germans were. No one was considered to be racially Slavic under this theory you are mentioning.
>>18059187you are illiterate
>>18059187Correct. Eastern Slavs like Poles and Russians were according to Nazi theories of race primarily of the "East Baltic race" unlike Germans who were primarily of Nordic race. East Baltic was highly inferior and mixed with mongoloids. A small minority of Slavs who had the correct skeletal measurements and hair color to be classified as of the Nordic-Phalian race, and who had no birthmarks or family history of hereditary diseases, were considered to be the descendants of Germanic tribes and settlers who were regermanizables eligible for regermanization (Wiedereindeutschungsverfahren). The vast majority of Eastern Slavs were never eligible to become German, they were of the East Baltic race and destined for slave labor, deportation to Siberia, or liquidation.
>>18055299Hitler was actually a big fan of classic American eugencism and he made this clear.
>>18055325>has a picture of Pol Pot on his closet door because he's a hick and Pol Pot hated city slickers too.Uh, no comment
>>18055299>How come all natsoc defenders on the internet are americans with <1% german blood?>Do they realize Nazi Germany hated them?>Why do they call themselves "american nationalists" if they wish their country had been dissolved into a reichskommissariat?
>>18059139yeah we lost the war. There are left wing cucks who love that. I'm not one of them
>>18059656>nooo i wanted to work 14 hours per day in a weapon facotry for ze furher instead of living in FRG yeah, you are a cuck, or just another larper
>>18055299they don't know what they're on about
