>If you believe in this god you will be happy eternally after death!
>Really? *slits his own throat*
>Oh fuck I needed him to fight a war for me, lets not do that again.
This is how it happened, prove me wrong.

Catholics genuinely think it's wronger for someone to kill himself because he can't get over having been sexually abused by a priest than it is for priests to abuse kids.
Of course, they won't say the second half out loud, but it's how they feel deep down

rid yourself of the tapeworm called christian ethics and see the truth for what it is. suicide does not actually stop suffering from existing, you have now a death on your conscience (even though its your own), and who knows who will be affected by your premature death. you are not evil or deserve to burn but your actions will dictate your future, and if you kill yourself knowing that it wasn't your time, then it is bad kamma. the only acceptable suicide is if you are in extreme interminable/terminal pain. just seeing the world for the awful crappy dogshit pile it is isn't a good enough reason to do it. Love is what is best for you not always what you want and sometimes you need to man the fuck up and deal with shit and things come out the better for it.

>>18060732
If you realise you live in an awful crappy world and you want to try and escape from it so you don't have to personally experience it instead of putting any effort into making it a slightly better world so that other people might suffer a little bit less that implies a certain kind of selfishness on your part, yes

>and deserve to burn forever
This is fucked though, I agree

>>18060775
Why doesnt omnipotent G-d try putting some effort into making the world slightly less shit? Is he being selfish?

>>18060778
>Why doesnt omnipotent G-d try putting some effort into making the world slightly less shit?
I didn't say anything about God (I'm not a Christian) but you could argue that he's doing that right now through (You) but you choose to be stubborn and ask him to solve all your problems for you instead

>>18060775
>If you realise you live in an awful crappy world and you want to try and escape from it so you don't have to personally experience it instead of putting any effort into making it a slightly better world so that other people might suffer a little bit less that implies a certain kind of selfishness on your part, yes
If you had the actual chance and power needed to make the world "slightly better" you wouldn't feel so desperate to consider suicide.
Empowered people never kill themselves

>>18060790
>Empowered people never kill themselves
Objectively false, rich and powerful people kill themselves all the time

When I said "slightly better" I meant "slightly" better, even if it's just picking up other people's trash that's still better than doing nothing at all

>>18060803
vast majorty of people that kill them self are poor poor and powerfull ppl commiting sucide is error margin tier

>>18060788
>he's doing that right now through (You)
Thats very cool but God could just snap his fingers and make all pedophiles, rapists, and serial killers disappear, making the world significantly better immediately. Why doesnt he do it? Does God enjoy watching pedophiles do their thing? Seems pretty selfish to me.

>>18060866
>Does God enjoy watching pedophiles do their thing?
Do you? You're not doing anything to stop them (you could catfish a pedo like Chris Hansen right now and get them arrested but you won't) so clearly you must also approve of them

>>18060881
I work 50 hours a week I got no time for vigilantism. How many hours a week does God work?

>>18060778
>G-d
How the irony, if your people didn't push for degeneracy and war everywhere, the world would be a much better place to live in.

>>18060899
>How many hours a week does God work?
About 168 by my count

>>18060732
Early Christians had so many suicidal cults that wanted to cheat themselves to heaven prematurely that the Church eventually had to intervene if it wanted to keep any members alive.

>>18060906
I assure you i could resolve most of the worlds issues in 1 second at worst if i had omniscience + omnipotent. What the hell is he doing in those 168 hours?

>>18060732
The funny thing is that if you take this to it logical conclusion, it would be best if someone were to start killing everyone to circumvent the suicide rule. The most benevolent Christian would just murder all babies/good people, essentially sacrificing himself to hell so that everyone else could go to heaven

It is the ultimate selfless act in christianity

>>18061759
no its not

>>18061764
Alot of babies would grow up to become people who will go to hell, you would be saving so many of them from torment

>>18061779
thats buddhist logic, christianity dosent work that way

>>18061781
Why not? What would happen if you murder those babies, wouldnt they go to heaven?

>>18061788
no, they wouldnt, they have to be born to be baptized and have a chance to accept jesus and be saved, cause they allready got hereditary original sin, so its unclear whats suposed to happen to unbaptised babies from denomination to denomination, used to be purgatory but that got retconned

>>18061797
Im sure God would choose a benevolent method to deal with these babies. After all, it would be quite unfair for you to get deleted from existence because you died as you were being born

>>18061811
>deleted from existence
isnt that the best possible outcome?

The point of suicide is utterly irrelevant if you abide by the belief that belief in Jesus Christ will wash away your sins and redeem you on the Day of Resurrection, eliminating your sufferings once and for all. _All_ suffering you experience beyond having that realization is temporary and therefore completely disregardeable. To kill yourself is to deny that truth; it's to assume suffering and its alleviation rather than its endurance and elimination is more powerful and important than what the literal Word of God promised.
That and also your body is a temple to God, as professed by Jesus. It is the literal property of God in Christian ethics. By destroying the temple yourself, you not only blaspheme against your God but also STEAL from him the purpose of this particular temple.
tl;dr by killing yourself as a christian you reveal yourself not only as a disbeliever but you also test the Lord thy God. Why would you do that?

>>18061816
Its sandwiched between heaven and hell. If you know a baby was going to grow up to go to hell, then yeah, deleting them is a very good outcome. However, if they were going to go to heaven, deleting them is bad

All in all, hell is so bad that its best to not even risk it for the chance to go to heaven. Deleting all babies (particularly babies from non-christian cultures) is probably the best choice as no one would have a chance for eternal torture

>>18060803
>rich and powerful people kill themselves all the time
All the time?
Okay, name 7 examples from the top of your head, no googling or GPTing

>>18061828
why not give them a chance, hell is for people too

>>18061824
>That and also your body is a temple to God, as professed by Jesus. It is the literal property of God in Christian ethics. By destroying the temple yourself, you not only blaspheme against your God but also STEAL from him the purpose of this particular temple.
How harshly does he punish you for being fat or a dyel?

>>18061874
ever since purgatory got kicked the only way for god to punish, other than by tribulations that hopefuly help while alive, is hell

>>18061874
Probably as much as you'd punish a priest embezzling funds meant for the maintenance of religious grounds, so harsh enough

Suicide is wrong because you die in the act of sin.

>>18061824
its not a matter of no beliving its a matter that being alive sucks

>>18060732
>escape this awfull crappy world

Into another one that's possibly identical though, so it's still worth investing into this one.

>>18063698
forget all the christian babble for a minute and think about this logically using your brain and not in some dumbass christian terms.
life unequivocally sucks, yes. many people get lost right here and try to deny that it doesn't, but it does. to accept that is one of the hardest steps.
the next step is to accept that you are not the only thing alive. your life is not as bad as most of the living beings, and you have power to help others especially as a human. to not use that power to help others, to go so far as to end your own life, killing someone in the process, is extremely stupid and makes no sense. if you really cared about suffering, if you really understood how bad being alive sucked, you would do everything in your power to get strong and healthy in body and mind and then do whatever you can to alleviate the suffering in the world around you . otherwise i don't believe that you actually care about suffering and how to stop it

>>18061854
>name seven random people I don't know and have never heard of without using a search engine or citing my sources in any way
I'm going to break your arbitrary rules and post this article that's one of the first results for "do rich people kill themselves": https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC26575/ (read it yourself, I'm not summarising it for you)

Depression doesn't care how much money and power you have and gaining more of either might make you feel a little bit more secure but it isn't going to actually help anything in the long term

>>18063865
can verify this firsthand. i used to be rich and depressed, then poor and happy, then rich and happy, now im poor again but still happy. wealth and happiness are correlated but not directly causal

>>18060734
thought about this for a while when i was younger
there is no reason not to just kys when the reward is infinite
if there was not a clause condemning christianity would have ended as a suicide cult

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>>18063865
Sir, I said "rich AND powerful people".
Just because someone was born in a well-off family doesn't make them powerful, with power defined as the ability to exercise significant influence over the lives of other people.
A failson or a stay-at-home heiress have access to money, but that doesn't mean they have any power.
How many politicians and CEOs kill themselves when the country or company are doing alright?

>>18064075
That's my problem with Christianity and I'm having a faith crisis because of that.

When you are a sinful vile piece of shit and you cannot hope for nothing but a supreme being having pity on you, and you realize you are literally nothing, then it all leads to death.

I'm trying to cope but everything I read makes me believe being a Christian is a death cult; nothing in this world truly matters and it's all destined to rot and pleasuring yourself is bad and you should be constantly rooting for the spiritual and not the material.

>>18061824
Reading comments like these I feel that literally any human action could be twisted enough with words so everything is a sin.

If you act its pride, if you don't act its sloth, if you care its lust and greed if you don't care its apathy and coldness of heart. You can't win at this game.

>>18060732
Just accept Jesus before you kill yourself. Problem solved.

>>18064796
Salvador allende