Algeria can be glad France arbitrarily gave them a huge desert full of natural resources that belonged to Mali before colonization.
They also gave them the technology to utilize it and developed the global economy so there is demand for it. They owe the white man a debt of gratitude.
>>18061559The world needs an Independent Tuareg nation
Funny how most folks calls colonialism an unspeakable evil, but almost nobody questions the borders traced by colonial authorities
>>18061565>They also gave them the technology to utilize itNot exclusively French.>developed the global economy so there is demand for it.See above.>They owe the white man a debt of gratitude.Lol no
they should be happier France never actually tried to settle Algeria (Pieds-Noirs were mostly Spaniards and Italians) and gave them gibs to explode their population
>>18061614>they should be happier France never actually tried to settle Algeria (Pieds-Noirs were mostly Spaniards and Italians)Still settlement and plenty of French moved over there.>gave them gibs to explode their populationNatives got none.
>>18061565And here is them showing the white man their gratitude
>>18061582What the fucking shitting hell are you talking about? Literally everybody and their mother jokes about how much eurotrash suck at drawing borders. Post colonial borders all fucking suck monkey dick.
>>18061559>>18061565Truthnuke. I hate how people act like Algeria is such a poor helpless victim. They claim their atrocities in the rebellion and current colonization of Marseille and Paris is “payback” for colonization, but the fact of the matter is that French colonization itself was payback for brutal Barbary aggression. It started as a policing act, the French reached the coast and wanted to fortify themselves, and they needed people to occupy these places, that lead to expansion and eventually you got colonization.French Algeria was great by the way, the cities that were disproportionately white only became as great as they did because of mass settlement of whites and development of the region. France made a great society there and many Algerians were Francified and were actually in support of French rule, France didn’t just make Algeria an integrated part of France in hopes it would change something, it WAS. When DeGaulle came in the 50s a majority Algerian crowd greeted him and most people agreed to unity and permanent French rule.The FLN were unpopular psychopathic terrorists who intentionally killed civilians and they would’ve been crushed if France wasn’t reeling from WWII and trying to manage decolonization and Cold War posturing against communism. Tragically, they decided it wasn’t worth it and they left. The FLN is evil and I hope Morocco and Tunisia split Algeria down the middle and play off secessionist tensions with the Kabyle and give them a buffer state in the middle. Give the South to Azawad.
>>18061950>mass settlement of whitesnever happened, whites were never more than 10% of the general population
>>18061950>but the fact of the matter is that French colonization itself was payback for brutal Barbary aggressionNot to mention the 700 years of nafri colonization of Spain and their attempted colonization of France until Charles Martel slapped their ass.Nafris crying about the few decades of European colonization is the biggest hypocrisy ever.
>>18061961I’m talking specifically about the areas where they did settle
>>18062155Truthnuke. None of this would have happened if it had remained Roman Africa. If the Berbers had maintained an exclusively Berber identity, or a Berber-Roman “Mauretai
>>18062170“Mauretanian-African” Identity, and had remained Christian, none of this would’ve happened.Sorry my message got cut off I had it on auto post and it posted before I finished.
>>18061950>most people agreed to unity and permanent rulethen why didn the revolution happen?
>>18061559Mali did not exist back then. The ooriginal empire dissolved around 1610.
>>18062190It didn’t. Read my post again. FLN were terrorizing the general population and France was crippled and they decided to bring the Pied-Noir back to the mainland and abandon Algeria to consolidate their power. Algerians came with and instead of accepting the superiority of the Christian civilization they clearly preferred and assimilating, their descendants are ruining Algeria as reckless thugs. The FLN attacks and bombings were rampant and it became too much to maintain. Anti-White Communists and Radical Islamists, both extremely small minorities formed a reluctant unholy alliance to drive out the evil French who had the audacity to impose modernity and stable civilization upon them and they promptly turned on each other and ate each other alive the second they didn’t have evil whitey to focus on killing. You can go watch documentaries made in collaboration with the Algerians who were around to see it happen, and see all the footage and firsthand accounts of Pieds-Noirs and (normal) Algerians living side by side and Algerians adoring the French authorities and voluntarily taking their side in the war after DeGaulle gave a speech of unity while half of them broke out in jubilation and the other half cried tears of awe and joy
>>18062170>>18062172It would have happened actually, Christianity is irrelevant, I long for a thread without clueless trannies whining about Christianity
>>18062296what you're saying reminds me of the civil war in the 90s where extremist jihadists started terrorizing the country because they couldn't windo you have any link to those documentaries?
>>18062373Yes, I can show you a particularly unbiased one I have watched a few times in fact. I think it’s great because, don’t get me wrong, the French were far from perfect, but the reason I push back so hard on the “French were universally hated and the only people that supported them were the white settlers who were like uhh massacring people” is because the narrative is that all of Algeria was a giant slave plantation and everyone thought the FLN were their glorious liberators. Here’s the documentary. Watch the whole thing, and then do some independent reading on the history of and motivations for French colonization of Algeria and how most unbiased historians predict it would’ve turned out if it had gone on uninterrupted. I truly think the French would’ve cleaned up their act, developed the more desolate Berber areas to increase living standards, there’d be unity for the most part, and Algeria would be fundamentally different today. Again, I reiterate, the French were not perfect, but they were not the savage brutal bigoted rapists they’re painted to be, nor were they universally hated.https://youtu.be/Zer50bkr6hY?si=KL2OlqWzV1XWIo2O
>>18062373I’m almost certain this is the documentary I have watched before, and it’s dubbed over in English
>>18061950>France didn’t just make Algeria an integrated part of France in hopes it would change something, it WAS.Then how come Muslim Algerians, i.e. the overwhelming majority of the population, were never granted full citizenship with equal rights?
>>18062408i can't believe algerians invented wojaks
>>18061950>They claim their atrocities in the rebellion>despite the state refusing any type of real reform and cracking down on any non violent protest or movement.Fucking retard..>French colonization itself was payback for brutal Barbary aggression.Totally different events. Algeria got colonized because politicians back in France wanted an easy win. It NEVER was about the Barbary, more so since the mass international crackdown against it already occurred decades ago.>French Algeria was great by the way, the cities that were disproportionately white only became as great as they did because of mass settlement of whites and development of the region.Its was barebones city that hinged off native serf labourers and poor ass Pied Noir being duped into wageying for French business under the delusion of getting rich.>many Algerians were Francified and were actually in support of French rule,Lol, the most "assimilated" ones protested against the system of oppression. The colonial systems in Africa NEVER ever believed in assimilation, the educated locals are always going to be subservient to settler and state interests.>When DeGaulle came in the 50s a majority Algerian crowd greeted him and most people agreed to unity and permanent French rule.You left out the part that down the line the spoiled Pied Noir tried to assassinate De Gaulle and got let off scot free. Any other non-Euro group attempting to do within the boundaries of the colonial so would have been purged.>The FLN were unpopular psychopathic terrorists who intentionally killed civilians and they would’ve been crushed if France wasn’t reeling from WWII and trying to manage decolonization and Cold War posturing against communism.See first point
>>18062408>the narrative is that all of Algeria was a giant slave plantation and everyone thought the FLN were their glorious liberatorsBecause the Algerians had an explicitly inferior labour status just like every other African colony France had. What the fuck did you think corvée was?
>>18062408>I truly think the French would’ve cleaned up their act, developed the more desolate Berber areas to increase living standards, there’d be unity for the most part, and Algeria would be fundamentally different today.If they didn't change back then, why the fuck would they change now. They had 60+ years to do actual reform and they only started the moment they felt that they ahd to win over people
>>18062618Many were. Others weren’t because the French did not have anywhere near the amount of consolidation, and in other areas they were still living in 200AD. >>18062853Kek
>>18062863>>18062874>>18062884Bluepilled nigger retard. Do research into the history of French Algeria instead of listening to the Algerian Jihadist-Communist Alliance version of Mao’s Little Red Book that says all French were evil whitey crackkker satan colonizers that made poor little Araboproletariat into chattel slaves and raped them daily.
>>18062943So Algeria wasn't a fully integrated part of France.
>>18061582Everyone agrees the borders drawn up by Sykes-Picot were detrimental for the stability of the Middle East.
>>18062950It was politically integrated. All the worthwhile parts were integrated. The developed towns and cities with modern infrastructure, developed institutions and European architecture were integrated. It was part of France, it wasn’t a designated territory or colony. The Atlas Mountains and Coastal Regions were the fully incorporated parts because that’s where everyone lived and the desert was empty and impossible to fully subdue that quickly when French settlers were still a minority in the North. It was as much a part of France as Arizona is the United States. Now imagine if the Hispanic population of Arizona started committing terrorist attacks, blowing up citizens, both Whites and pro-American Hispanics alike, a small minority that were a coalition between right-wing ultranationalist fundamentalists and weird chicano aztlan leftists, all of this after the United States had just survived a major world war and trying to re-organize itself while also fighting multiple minor wars and desperately forming relationships and propping up allies around the globe, all because it was a part of Mexico in the 1830s and upon forcing out American forces with the help of China and Russia, with much dismay from the general population regardless of ethnic background, declared it had liberated the oppressed and rewrote history to convey an image of “American-occupied Arizona” as a totalitarian draconian fascist oppressive hell. Idiot
>>18061950>The FLN were unpopular psychopathic terrorists who intentionally killed civilians and they would’ve been crushed if France wasn’t reeling from WWII and trying to manage decolonization and Cold War posturing against communism.The FLN was pretty much crushed militarily.When the war ended in 1962 the FLN controlled zero city, zero village and were a bunch of terrorists hiding in the mountains unable to do more than some petty assassinations there and there.The reason Algeria got independence is entirely because De Gaulle was a chud who feared that if France kept Algeria, millions of Algerians would move to France and shit up the place.From the moment he got back to power in 1958, he was dead set on getting rid of the colonial empire and slowly but surely worked his way toward this goal while carefully managing the opposition.That's the reason why he was hated by the pieds-noirs and the OAS.Here are a bunch of quotes from De Gaulle in the 50s and early 60s.Dude was literally obsessed with the hypothetical ethnic replacement of white French people through mass population movement if France was to keep its colonies.
>>18061950holy based and correct
>>18062972Not like he was wrong. If people wanted to move for business,labour,education they would have to do it through France as a destination or as a jumping point. Not like creating regional "hubs" outside of France to redirect it would have prevented that due to logistics and development realities. Even the areas with the longest periods of French administration in Asia amd Africa were still total backwaters
>>18062968>It was politically integrated. All the worthwhile parts were integratedVast majority wasn't and the majority of the population were not full on citizens. That's not political integration. Even Puerto Rico is more integrated to the US than French Algeria and that isn't even a state. Are you trying to tell us French Algeria was more or equally as politically integrated than the French territories currently?
>>18062947Why do you fellate French Algeria so much? Better yet why do you think France basically having a colony of underclass locals is worth it?
>>18061950>The FLN is evil and I hope Morocco and Tunisia split Algeria down the middle and play off secessionist tensions with the Kabyle and give them a buffer state in the middle.How does pic related make you feel?
>>18063006He was right given that the alternative to independence (that was favored by pieds-noirs and the anti-independence political factions of the French governement) was a policy called "integration" that consisted in giving native Algerians full French citizenship with the same rights as mainlanders.This basically would mean that any Algerian could have moved to mainland France at will.De Gaulle understood the demographic chaos it would cause and that's why he favored independence.Ths issue is that his successors kept importing Algerian cheap labor en masse in the following decades, causing the great replacement he feared would happen if Algeria had remain a French colony to happen anyway.It's hard to tell if it would have turned better or worse for France in that regard if Algeria had remained part of France a bit longer.
>>18063042How DIS make YOO feel?
>>18063180Interesting to say the least
>>18061559>belonged to Mali before colonizationanon, that's an incredible anachronism, modern Mali is itself a colonial construct. There wasn't an outside empire capable of really controlling the sahara.
>>18063089>It's hard to tell if it would have turned better or worse for France in that regard if Algeria had remained part of France a bit longer.France hinged on propping up Franafrique just to look like a global player. I think it would have hung itself on that noose regardless of Algeria's state as an independent entity or it being developed as one or a colony. Like France already engaged in heavy corruption with African leaders and the dynamic was reciprocal (up until Gaddadi anyways), if it still had Algeria it would have probably had that also going on in Algeria but twofold. Like if French (and EU) construction is already super corrupt I can't imagine how it would with Algeria amplifying it as an effective free-for-all.
>>18061625Why are they like that?
>>18061640yet no one dares to touch them lol
>>18061950>French colonization itself was payback for brutal Barbary aggressionno it wasnt, it was because the french owed debt to the dey of algiers and also wanted some glory, barbary piracy as a non-issue at that point>French Algeria was great by the wayit was only "Great" for pied noirs it actively hostile and antagonistic to the natives whom grew to hate the french for good reason
>>18064394>it was because the french owed debt to the dey of algiersNo.France owed money to a rich jew of Algiers who himself owed money to the Dey.The Dey got butthurt because the jew wouldn't repay him and took it out on France.Then France and the jew allied together against him.
>>18061559>great movie
>>18063870Because any rypebof border change can give precedent and legitimacy to every border chance/succession movement in the developed world. Primarily Europe.
>>18063870Because the nations made stronger by these border won't let the nations made weaker by them have a say
