How important was ethnicity in Ancient Rome?Was there any idea of "blood purity" in the sense that some people in the empire were less Roman than others, or was your status decided mainly by culture?
>>18066191Depends on the period but they didn't have an idea of blood purity. But to be a Roman you did have to be somehow related to Central Italy, even if you just made it up, with Rome being the most Roman-Roman somebody can be when tracing their lineage. In the Middle Republic they had an idea of an Italian race, which was made up of the peoples of Central Italy and the Romans were part of it, it's what the Gracchi argued in defense of, that they wanted to strengthen the Italian race by giving them fair amounts of public land. And this already shared idea of a race made it easier for these people to become 'Roman' as they already had an idea of a shared lineage and culture.Later on, people frequently tried to tie regions to Italy in some way to legitimise how Roman they really were. We have surviving legends recorded by Constantine VII about why they are actually super duper Roman. In Dalmatia the justifies why they call themselves 'Romani' as according to them, their cities were refounded by Diocletian who sent the best families from Rome there, making them super-Roman. This is a later reasoning but it is still quite similar to the justifications they used in Antiquity. That they are somehow tied to Italy by some ancient ancestry, so that they too are part of the Italian race. This props up when regions essentially adopted Roman culture and Latin and by Late Antiquity even in the East. Which gives you some insane reasoning by Roman authors like the Jews actually being from Italy originally and migrated to the Levant, meaning the Jesus was actually an Italian all along.
>>18066214Interesting post, thank you anon
If you acted Roman, spoke Latin, and bought into the system, you were in. African emperor like Septimius Severus was just as Roman as some senator from an old Italian family.
>>18066191Roman identity changed a lot over time as they conquered and expanded upon the mediterranean>Originally to be Roman was to be a descedant from founding stock of the city>By the Samnite Wars, to be Roman was to be a Latin citizen of the city of Rome>By the Punic Wars, to be Roman was to be a citizen of any city in Italy under a Latin Constitution>By the Late Republic, to be Roman was to be any Free Man from Italy or one of it's colonies.>By the Early Empire, to be Roman was any Free Man in the Empire that had recieved Roman Citizenship from service in the legions or whose parents where already Roman>By the Edict of Caracalla, to be Roman simply became to be any Free Man living under the Empire
>>18066191Yes. The Roman Republic era was quite bigoted. They would have been furious if time permitted them to see what happened to the empire.
>>18066191Extremely important.They killed Cicero because he was from the Italian countryside and not Rome. That’s how important it was.>>18066214>>18066321Dumbass disinformation agents
>>18066579>They killed Cicero because he was from the Italian countryside and not Rome.Are you just forgetting his entire political career for the last 20 years before he was killed or something
>>18066191Imperial Rome was multicultural and pro LGBTQ+
>>18066191Ethnicity is cultural, not racial. Having said that, Juvenal made fun of black people and explicitly thought whites were superior.
>>18066579Can you explain why those two posts are disinformation? They gave a lot more detail than yours and mentioned how the concept of "Romanness" changed over time.
>>18066214Not just "connection to Italy" but "connection to noble/great/important Roman families from Italy" (kind of reminiscent of Romans' connection with the Trojan demigod Aeneas)
Why did they semi regularly let people who were not directly blood related inherit their titles?I think that's more interesting than asking about basic shit like racism.
>>18067783Adoption makes one part of the family o algo
>>18067783La familia from fast and furious explain it
>>18067783So they could fuck their boytoys without having to worry about impregnating their wives.
>>18066191The word "xenophobic" is Greek, so is "homosexual" and "pederast". Any "non-Greek" was just some generic sub-human barbarian.They were all so obsessed with "blood purity" that they banged their own family members. (see: the Ptolomeys even Augustus banged his niece, and the Jews still can't stop)The most peculiar part of all is that they're all so damned unattractively Med-MENA in their appearance. Dark hair, dark coon eyes, swarthy skin, VERY LARGE noses, small, frail builds, SHORT, mostly inbred, etc.....etc.....No wonder they all fell to their knees in worship the minute they saw actual White humans and have been doing so ever since. (all forms of divinity are light, white, bright and beautiful)Millions of people surgically alter themselves in a pathetic attempt to mimic their Masters, and have been doing so continually since first contact in Antiquity. (see: countless ancient texts which full acknowledge, admire and appreciate the innate superiority of the Nordic genotype and phenotype.) In summary, yes the Med-MENAs were obsessed with "muh purity" on many levels. The real question is "Why?". They all look alike and none of them looked good to begin with. Then again, you can't work with what you don't have ;)
>>18066191The Romans were already worrying about losing the "Old Stock" Patrician Class by the time of Augustus, and before. The Greeks were down right "tribal", and thought all outsiders were "less than". The Egyptians were more insular, but clearly had a "pharaoh complex", that was well deserved, and were absurdly inbred as a result. It's only in the """Modern Era""" that we pretend like these things don't matter. Meanwhile in every other area of "animal husbandry" and other forms of breeding, we fully acknowledge the importance of genetics above all else. Gee, I wonder why?
>>18069679>all forms of divinity are light, white, bright and beautifulCorrectWhiteness is godliness.
>>18069679>>18069690I wish I could visit one thread on this board without seeing German supremacist schizos
>>18070130Calm down Bergmanstein. These are deeply ancient accounts from long before your kind even existed. That's what makes them so trustworthy and reliable in the first place. You will NEVER be white.
>>18071064I am actually from the true region of "whiteness."I don't know why you would feel civilisationally superior to Romans when they were building empires while your ancestors were jerking off in the forests of Germany.
>>18069686Just admit you want to marry your cousin Ahmed.
>>18071391No, my Volk whipped MED-MENA ass right from the start and at EVERY encounter ever since ;) Even the Ancients "preferred barbarians". Kinda like how everyone also "prefers" them today ;) We won't even get into the various conquests and occupations of Germans in the South for the past thousand years, or so. Suffice it to say, the "Barbarians" have been at the gates, but never the reverse. """Modern Romans""" couldn't even beat 98lb. Ethiopians. You will still NEVER be White. I win.
>>18071412One minute, I'm a "Nordcuck supremacist", the next I'm an "Ahmed".......make up your mind Stupid-Bot 9001. LOL! You will NEVER be White either Robo-Schlomo! I win again.......again!
>>18072594>>18072600this is the lowest iq board on 4chan
>>18066191>How important was ethnicity in Ancient Rome?Extremely. Up until the late republic, anyone born outside of the immediate roman (the city) countryside was considered ethnically lesser, to the point where even the likes of Cicero and Marius saw discriminationAfter the social war, this gradually lessened for latins first and then other italics due to a multitude of factors, like complete cultural assimilation, the loss of prestige of roman urban politics, the effective integration of the whole italic upper class into equites roles like the tres militiae, etc.Aside from actual italics and the least mixed colonials however nobody else really manage to break into ethnic romanity after that point.Of course that didn't really matter anymore since by the mid-empire romanization had unified the empire at the cultural level, making ethnic distinctions not that socially important anymore. A non-italic citizen would easily be able to reach any position he wanted.
>>18066191By far and wide, it wasn't important. A Germanic, Greek, or Egyptian citizen would hold far greater status than an ethnic Roman who wasn't a citizen.
>>18069679>>18069690opposite, slave means whiteyellow hair and pink skin were the marks of a slave
>>18073355......and yet EVERYONE still "prefers" them to this day......Always have. Always will.
>>18073407thats simply the sweet nectar of Babylon,and that avatar changes with the season considering the white man only have what is given to him
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