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Libertarianism is a mental illnessNAP is a joke. Try living in your stateless society for five minutes before the first PMC shows up to turn your homestead into an outpost for a new corporate kingdom.Without a state to enforce basic regulations, the first sociopath with private capital and a private army becomes the state. Congrats, you reinvented feudalism.
>>18067140A minarchist society isn't stateless. It just means the government should have as little interference in your daily life as possible.
>>18067087It’s for cucks. I want a big powerful government that will ruthlessly deport illegals, patrol for criminals, destroy all those with communist and socialist sympathies, and keep out nonwhites using all its resources at its disposal to crush my enemies.
>>18067143Sounds great until ANTIFA hits you with a bike lock and then we need full on death squads crushing all those who don’t belong
>>18067087It's a utopian ideology born from a priori assumptions about property, voluntarism, and even culture that don't exist in the real world. >>18067143Life shows that a minarchist society is not possible. Societies require the management of millions of people to avoid falling into anarchy. This means the state has to grow to meet the needs of its people; otherwise, it will fall into chaos.
>>18067150That's all well and good until your government uses that as a pretext to trample all over your individual rights.
>>18067163Individual rights don't exist. Power in society divides what rights you have.
>>18067163The fact that government is necessary to protect "individual rights" kinda gives away the contradiction of libertarianism. If government does not enforce rights, which takes violence, those rights don't exist. That's why libertarianism is pretty stupid and nobody with a brain takes it seriously.
>>18067170Your premise is flawed by assuming that only the state can protect rights.
>>18067248>Your premise is flawed by assuming that only the state can protect rights.The Yazidi, Palestinians and Assyrians wouldn't have faced genocide if this was true.
>>18067152Under libertarian principles antifas could be shot on sight because they actively threaten people lives and private propertyThe thing about the NAP most of the state cucks forget is that once you violates it you cannot claim protection under it
>>18067287Under libertarian principles, antifa would have the ability to run owns and could out organize you because in individual rightsAnd that's what happens in practice
>>18067087Haiti.Thread over. Everybody can go home now
>>18067292Haiti (and somalia) are not lawless or anarchies, they just have a very weak/failed states. Which might sound like anarchy but there is a difference in that you get all the negatives of lawlesness but you still have to pay taxes.
>>18067087The libertarian housecat copy pasta will always be poignant and funny to boot. What a gullible lot.
>>18067291It doesn't, antifa only got to where it is now due to state protection and people not being allowed to defend themselves or their property And no, individual rights don't prevent people to form groups to deal with antifa or hire security firms to do it for them
>>18067292>Haitijust like Somalia, the result of an socialist big government collapsing
>>18067440Fuck all to do with socialism. The other side of the island is white or Hispanic and they're fine. It's about niggers on an island without European support.
>>18067270the Palestinians never faced a genocide and the persecutions of the Yazidis and Assyrian Christians was backed by islamic states
>>18067351They have niggers running free without guidance. Get it through your head.
>>18067444They faced massacre. They still do though Hamas will defeat the jew
>>18067143if you accept that the state has the authority to restrict your freedoms and levy taxes you've lost any ability to claim you defend individual liberty in a libertarian sensehardcore marxist-leninists argue the state is merely acting to defend the freedoms of its people by restricting the freedoms of the capitalists since unlimited capitalist freedom infringes on the freedom of the workerslibertarianism requires anarchy to be logically consistent and most libertarians realize anarchy is fucking retarded but they want all the benefits of anarchy with none of the downsides
>>18067442>Fuck all to do with socialismSocialism always result in society collapsing and their policies are what lead those countries to their current states >The other side of the island is white or Hispanic and they're fine.the other side is mostly african ancestry and it is fine because is didn't adopt as many socialist policies>It's about niggersthem why black majority African countries that don't adopted socialist policies or are abandoning socialist policies are doing relatively fine and not collapsing like Somalia ?Why did easter europe under socialism collapse and was so much behind western europe ?Why is North Korea a shithole compare to South Korea ?
>>18067449>They faced massacrethey didn't >Hamas will defeat the jewNo, Trump just convinced the Israel to not finish them off
>>18067087I think that the following axioms could be seen as fundamental to libertarians. >consent must be axiomatic Consent can't be obtained for most economic transactions given that their object is coercitive for necessary goods (what consent is there in buying food to not starve ?) >you own your body thus you own the produce of your workOne's right to dispose of himself doesn't magically grant the wish to own whatever you can produce. This is especially the case for the means of productions, land etc that aren't actual produce of work very often.Broadly speaking, the libertarian movement is a bit childish in its understanding of political notions. Most libertarians seem to believe that the state comes from nowhere and arbitrarily decides, that property rights are equivalent to market mechanisms, that rights are intrinsic objects by themselves etc. As the movement grows and garners intellectual support, you see the development of bastardized forms of political science concepts arising (like the NAP). It's very funny because, as they grow, they start understanding that a lot of their concepts require a form of state.This leads them to end up either with poor attempts at explaining why someone wouldn't do something (see rothbard arguing that nukes would be irrational to have in a libertarian society so no one would have them), or with bastardized form of the state (private police or convent in Hoppe's utopia). This movement would be dead if it weren't for non-academics self-made men trying to legitimize their fiscal evasion.>>18067143Rights aren't imposed rules pulled out of the governor's ass, but rational and mutually recognizing contracts. There's no incentives to "limit" the expansion of rights, unless For instance, if we both recognize that we shouldn't poop on each other's lawn, then it would be rational to legislate it to impose consequences. But this is somehow bad in the libertarian mind.
>>18067442>Socialism always result in society collapsing and their policies are what lead those countries to their current statesSo true that China now surpasses the US in certain sectors, that Seychelles are the top ranking african country, that Kerala is amongst the top indian states, that socialist healthcare in the EU is praised both here and abroad, that socialist somalia managed to be praised for its literacy development, that Singapore's housing ensures cheap prices for its citizens without resorting to egregious economic incentives to lower prices etc. >the other side is mostly african ancestryThey're part hispanics, their land is much more arable, and they didn't inherit the old issues of the former gov iirc>them why black majority African countries that don't adopted socialist policies or are abandoning socialist policies are doing relatively fine and not collapsing like Somalia ?This is very ironic. Socialims in africa actually managed to do well by itself. Literacy rates, food production, small ownerships, nationalization of the country's natural ressources have historically worked in the few iterations it had in Africa. A lot of socialist policies were and are still praised as models to guide govs.>Why did easter europe under socialism collapse and was so much behind western europe ?Because leninism is fucking retarded and massively centralizes the power in one state under a bureaucratic apparatus. This is of course massively unproductive (especially in third world countries) and doesn't solve alienation.>Why is North Korea a shithole compare to South Korea ?Same as above.
mb, >>18067517 was meant for >>18067466
>>18067087Everything about it is retarded and anti humanThe state must be powerful but decentralised, not useless. The lolbert conception of the state is nothing but a whore with aids, unable to fulfill any of it's purposes, and utterly depended on forces that despise it's existence. It represents nothing but whoredom, for it is capable of nothing but ones own practical enslavement. Of which, becomes in itself, whoredom. It is a mockery of man, of the spirt of man and the conceptions of man. It celebrates the most bourgeoise conceptions of life, of which all those deserving the name 'Human" must utterly oppose. In material and social reality, there is nothing left of it besides such a fact. there is nothing more deeply inhuman then that of libertarianism, the useless dictatorship of cattle, whore and the practical Jew. there is no form of government more resembling that of a drug addict, useless and belligerent to the necessities of life, then that of the Libertine State. The vices of man are celebrated, his suffering, upon himself and others, is therefor the practical conception of libertarianism, and thus the practical conception of the lolbert's desired man. It is nothing but a pure ideology, which itself demands of the man Judaism, in action - to themselves and others, and, bourgeoise tendency, in that man's worldview. There could never be a more lousy, useless, and fundamentally unimpressive dictatorship, then that brought about by the lolbert
>>18067444>the Palestinians never faced a genocide But they did. By the State of Israel. This is genocide denial.and the persecutions of the Yazidis and Assyrian Christians was backed by islamic statesAlmost like you need a state to protect from states, retard. That's the point.
>>18067087It doesn’t work? It’s not possible? It falls apart every time some dipshit who got lucky at STONKS tries it? The government exists, and that’s a good thing. If you don’t like something it’s doing, convince your fellow citizens to vote against the thing you don’t like.
>>18067287>>18067435Under libertarian principles there would be no enforcement arm to identify and prosecute ANTIFA and its sympathizers who use black bloc tactics to remain anonymous. You need a powerful state with ample resources to hunt them all down
>>18067163If a government crushes crime and prosecutes evil people it has nothing to fear from me as I’d enthusiastically support it. I want an El Salvador style police state. I want a 99% conviction rate. I want a country where crime and safety is more important than the civil rights of criminals
>>18068188Enforcement arm is privatized.I.e. mercenaries.Or put in another way, knights.
>>18068188>>18068919I guess then more specifically: black knights.
>>18067140Capitalism is a strange ideology. You're taking an arbitrary mental illness Jews have about moving numbers around and making it an ideology. In reality captialism never had any meaning and any system without Jews would just cease existence and never have market economics if any kind to the extent anything like that ever existed. Of course his can keep making meaningless troll threads like this over a ideology that never existed and never had any meaning, if you kill cops then captialism will simply cease.
>>18067087It's the same shit as Marxism-Leninism. They both want all-powerful corporations (what Marxists call the "communist party") to fuck up society without any accountability
>>18068188Under libertarian principles antifa could be denied entry to private roads and there would be a lot of dudes like this.You wouldn't need to hunt them down because libertarianism would create a hostile environment to antifa, gangbangers and even illegal immigrants who would find themselves in just as much if not deeper poverty when they came to America, unless they went direct to some job opportunity and managed to get that job out of 100s of applicants.Not even a libertarian, but as far as ideologies go it is workable as it resembles how things were in the 19th century, we could easily see a return to it once the white man finds his balls. We'd probably see a return to lynchings too.
I'm sorry but if you initiate force on my life you are gonna get a lead vaccine commie
>>18067164>>18067170come and take it, commie troon
>>18067292haiti is a communist state >>18067393you commies sure seethe about the fact communism and socialism are evil and never work
>>18067087Its gay
>>18067087The people with capital in hand will kill you and take your stuff.
>>18067087It doesn't limit the power of corporations and the state at the same time. Conversely, anarcho-communism is too culturally progressive.
>>18067143Yeah but figuring out "as little as possible" is the job. Technically, the US government tries to do as little as possible. From the point of view of the people making the rules. The devil's in the details.
>>18067087Its boomer "silver bullet" thinking.Boomers tend to search for a one size fits all "silver bullet" if you will for all problems.They believe there is an ideal system that can just be applied and like a cargo cult, you do the magical civil rights dance and civil rights appears, you do the magical economic policy dance and an economic boom results.This is just untrue and ignores the precedents and circumstances and mechanisms by which events actually transpire.For our non-English speaking friends the term "silver bullet" references a specialized bullet used for the sole purpose of killing a specific type of monster like a vampire or werewolf, it denotes a very parochial mode of thought.
>>18067440Why didn't the market fix it? QRD: roads?
>>18069149Haiti is run by disparate gangs.
>>18071146yeah, communism
>>18067087the flaw is they don't do anything when trodden on
>>18071177No, idiot.It's not even anarchism, in which case it's syndicates, as in anarcho-syndicalism.
>>18071213it's communism, you gay retard. communism is when the warlord with the most guns enslaves everyone else. it's text book communism. marx and lenon would be proud
>$20 Billion Dollars has been deposited to your account.
>>18067087communist-tier levels of delusion. they even do the classic "that wasn't real [ideology]" when you tell them that minimal government intervention in the economy and labor was already tried during the gilded ages and it was a huge disaster that lead to garbage tier living standards for most workers and constant economic crashes.
I bet you think taxation is theft.
>>18071241Meant for.>>18071232
>>18071241>>18071244it is.
Missing an apostrophe.
>>18067517>Same as above.Nah South Korea is a shit hole too. Porn bans and overzealous feminism. Koreans will not exist in 100 years.
>>18067087Would only work in a deglobalized world in which intelligent Northwestern Europeans live on an isolated island. Every respectable libertarian understands this. Far-right extremist libertarians who advocate physical removal and other such policies that aren’t seen as “typically libertarian” by basically leftist gay trans weed farm RothBARFians all seem to understand and indirectly admit, if not directly, that any libertarian society that wants to succeed while nit being a shithole or overrun by non-libertarians has to have the Axe of Authoritarianism in a “break in case of emergency” box that will be used without hesitation. Furthermore, there has to be strict cultural enforcement and be made up of people that come from a western conservative background and will discriminate against elements that taint this. You have to be socially authoritarian if you aren’t going to be politically. That means ostracizing degenerates, apolitical aloof naive fools, and leftists. In other terms, unless you’re going to be an ethnostate that forces leftists out and willing to accept some authoritarianism to maintain the libertarian aspects while also warding off all outsiders then you’re fucked. Any successful libertarian society must be Hoppean in nature.
>>18071361>muh mustard race>we need libertarianism except it's fascism but we don't call it that because i'm a coward that's scared of being ostracized
>>18067517>So true that China now surpasses the US in certain sectorsI'm not sure how you say China is doing "well" when basically exploit their workers so that Americans and Europeans can have cheap goods. They're basically slaves who work 996 hours.>This is very ironic. Socialims in africa actually managed to do well by itself. Considering every socialist regime in Africa collapsed because of Civil Wars and Famines, I wouldn't call that successful. Nobody considers the Derg "successful." Even Faso is a shit hole now ran by ISIS. All the things you listed happened in capitalist countries too. "Socialism" was not required at all.
>>18071495(1/2)I’m not a libertarian, nor am I afraid of being ostracized. If I was a fascist I’d just tell you, I’d be extremely proud of it. If your political convictions are genuine, it means you strongly believe that they are what is ultimately best for your nation, and therefore there’s no reason to have any shame. Hell, if I were a nazi and believed in genocide I’d tell you, because it would be what I believed to be correct, but I don’t believe that. That being said, any political opinion I do have that you think makes me a heckin problematic fascisterino I will still defend the exact same way, because your opinion is irrelevant to me. You don’t know what fascism is, and even though I disagree with fascism, there is nothing inherently wrong with it. Your definition of fascism is an insult used to describe “ultimate bad” or “thing I disagree with most passionately that I think will make my opponent cower”
>>18071495>>18071561(2/2)I don’t like libertarianism unless it’s Hoppean in nature, but I really don’t give a shit. If your only response to my critique of why libertarianism is impossible without becoming undesirable in most instances is to call me a baddie, take your ass back to plebbit. The whole “say what you REALLY want to say” bullshit from leftist idiots like you is pure projection. Your ideology is fear based. You expressed some vaguely right wing opinion when you were young and naive and your leftist friend group chastised you for it, and out of fear of ostracism you conceded the point, and once they smelled blood in the water they’ve pushed you further into this reinforcement loop. You are nothing because you cannot think independentlyIn short, I never said anything about “muh mustard race” (how edgy, cynical and condescending of you! Very impressive!) I just acknowledged that people from different areas have fundamentally different cultural values and you can’t make a fucking Guatemalan into a principled Anglo-Libertarian unless they’re adopted by whites and raised in an environment surrounded by them with no connection to their culture. If you think your Rothtard lolbertarianism will work with a bunch of Mozambicans, Pakistanis and Guatemalans looking to take advantage of your tax policy and laissez faire attitude then be my guest and go start a community like that and you can gloat all you want about how I’m a racist fascist orange trumperino nazi from your burning pile of trash.
>>18071586>>18071595lmao looks like i touched a nerve. you are a retarded low iq subhuman that got radicalized by a chinese cartoon forum btw
>>18071361>Any successful libertarian society must be Hoppean in nature.Which will never happen because libertarians are too individualist to understand need for collective power to win or do anything
>>18071495I mean come on. There’s a reason the 2016 Libertarians Convention is watched as a meme compilation by people for pure entertainment as opposed to looking for new, mind-stimulating, thought provoking ideas for the future of our civilization. You people are a joke. I remember being like 12 ans watching that shit and I thought it was a really long onion-like skit mocking libertarians, because I was looking for the footage of the actual event, and I sat there mouth agape like a cartoon character in total shock at the fact that it was real. I’m sure Pakistanis will appreciate you not requiring them to obtain a license from a government-certified instructor in order to drive. After all, what’s next - license to make toast in your own damn toaster? I just want gay married illegal immigrant trans couples to be able to defend their marijuana farm woth fully automatic AR-15s for God’s sake!!!
>>18071597>anon effortposts>just gets a shitpost in returnfuck you>>18071586>>18071595I appreciate your post, anon
>>18071612midwit pseuds deserve it. i'm not even a lolbert
>>18071597Oh you touched a never alright, you have no retort whatsoever to my argument that libertarianism isn’t viable so you accuse me of believing in a political ideology of which you want to kill the followers of, like a coward. I wasn’t “radicalized” by anything. I am a conservative and always have been. If you think that conservatism is radical, you yourself are a radical in an echo chamber, the bubble of all bubbles. Your motivation for your ideology is “let people heckin enjoy things, chud!” purely based off emotion. My motivation for my ideology is that I want people to enjoy the maximum amount of freedom possible while still maintaining a viable society with core values and an entity powerful and stable enough to enforce reasonable laws properly with checks an balances, but not so much power that it can enslave at will. In that way, I am infinitely more “libertarian” than you, because my ideology, conservatism, allows for people to live happy, yet stable lives in which the overwhelming majority of NORMAL people will be able to do what they like without any unnecessary interference from government, while YOUR ideology is too weak to maintain order, and therefore will lead to the ultimate form of tyranny, which is survival of the fittest and rule of the strongest regardless of their moral character. So yes, you’re absolutely correct, you DID strike a nerve. I concede that without hesitation. You pissed me off because people like you who arrive at their opinions based off emotions, that when challenged, can only respond with slander are actively destroying civilization and eroding the Western tradition of logical debate. When people get upset at you for your crimes against humanity, your only further retort is “wow you seem mad!” Yes most normal people will be mad at you for being an antisocial piece of trash. I am mad, but in 5 minutes I won’t be, and you’ll still be retarded.
>>18071600Exactly >>18071612Thank you. It means a lot, because I am trying to have a serious conversation here about what’s best for mankind and this buffoon can only respond with insults when his ideas are seriously challenged by someone who actually cares. If we lived in la la land where nobody was evil and nothing went seriously wrong, I’d be a libertarian too, but we don’t live there. What this guy fails to realize is that he can only ascribe to this belief system because he grew up insulated from the real world in a civilization so great and functrional that he can decry the very right-wingers who built it as tyrants.
>>18071635>touched a neverYikes, calm down! You're so angry that you're making typos.
>>18071641I’m on a phone with autocorrect enabled
>>18071644>phoneposterAh, the niggers of 4chan. Explains a lot.
>>18071641But again, you have no actual response. Your brain is infected by ironic detachment. You couldn’t think of any respectable argument, right or wrong, to even attempt to refute what I said, so to avoid melting down, your brain automatically went into irony mode and you can’t engage properly. Try being a genuine person for once in your life instead of being numbed by impotence. Yes I get angry. I am proud of that. Stupid people deserve to be ridiculed. If you gave an actual response as to why you disagree, I’d engage respectfully. There is a reason why humans evolved to experience anger, and you are a perfect example of it. Just as a primitive human would get angry at a scavenging animal for attempting to steal from its supplies, I am angry at you for shitting up a forum meant for legitimate discussions about what is best for us all collectively. This is why the only people I respect from amongst you are the Hoppeans, because they understand that antisocial retards are a detriment to society. Just to reiterate, I never said anything about a master race. Just because I said only Northwestern Europeans can handle libertarianism doesn’t mean I’m some racial chauvinist. However, since your an insecure brown person with an ethnonarcissist mindset, you immediately perceived it as an attack and began to insult me. I don’t believe anyone is inherently superior or inferior, I just believe that different systems work for different people.
>>18071647>Calls me a fascist because I say Lolbertarianism only works for WestEuros>Uses niggers as an insult You really are a fucking Spic or Paki aren’t you
>>18071651lol i'm not going to have a conversation with some retard who believes in racial science nonsense because he was given internet access at way too young of an age
>>18071658I don’t, you fucking animal. You’re pissy because I called out your retarded hyper-individualist sentiment and you don’t have any response other than slander. So now that you know I don’t believe in race science, will you engage? Of course you won’t, because you’re a fucking baby. Two of my closest friends growing up were black and Indian respectively. If I believed they were incapable of engaging in a rational discussion then I wouldn’t have spent nearly as much time with them talking. You use nigger as an insult but you’re less capable of rational discussion than any nigger I’ve known. You MUST be an inbred South Asian.
>>18071663tell me more about the "northwestern european" master race. do they descend from the ancient hyperboreans?
>>18071675Tell me more about your ancestors that have engaged in consanguineous marriage for 50 consecutive generations in their isolated village in the Swat Valley of Pakistan where 1/3 of the people resemble rats on account of the microcephaly suffered from chronic inbreeding
>>18071697no i want to know more about the "northwestern european" race. tell me more about their history and culture
>>18071361>Would only work in a deglobalized world in which intelligent Northwestern Europeans live on an isolated island. And would lead to the same situation now, only libertarians wouldn't have the race card to use to get lumpenprole to kill each other. They'd have to use weird stuff like household names or land mass of origin to get the proles to kill each other and steal their money. Whites love their regional pride and have a weird obsession with identifying by unchangeable traits of the places they inhabit. To them, being in Bend, Oregon makes you a lumberjack even if you're an unathletic geek. Being in Dallas makes you a cowboy even if your fat ass rides around in a mobility scooter everywhere.
>>18071258Libertarianism should be considered a mental illness. Libertarians should be allowed to be placed into mental institutions. The only compromise I would give is that they would only be allowed to be placed into private mental institutions.
>>18071714what percentage of your labor can I take from you at gun point before it's theft or slavery?
>>18071710wrong, the genes of the northwestern european race are naturally geared towards a libertarian society. you wouldn't understand because you don't know as much about northwest europe as i do
>>18071702Never said any about Northwestern Europeans being a race, nor did I claim they were the master race, nor did I ever so much as imply that I believed in that concept. So tell me about your inbred subhuman ancestors or do the world a favor and kill yourself
>>18071710I agree with you that it would lead to the same situations as now, but I have no idea what you’re talking about with these regional stereotypes. We whites definitely don’t do that. To me personally, people from Dallas and Oregon are generally one in the same, I’m just nit sure which are more insufferable
>>18071723Please keep seething like an absolute maniac, Imran. I’m sorry that your libertarian experiment will never be successful in Karachi but maybe you can get closer to that if you successfully root out first cousin marriage in your society.
>>18071651dude, you have no idea wtf libertarianism even is. It's a system where majority of a population agrees that private property is good and self-enforces it. There is nothing magic or unrealistic about it; societies were self-enforcing the most idiotic, repugnant and self-destructive crap like cannibalism which would keep them at the level of literal savages in perpetuum. If they self-enforce private property they will soon experience an unprecedented prosperity and civilizational growth instead, simple as that.If a majority of a population choose to steal from others (or murder each other) instead of universally respect property rights there will be no libertarianism. If they worship some king-gods (or presidents) or they think that they are allowed to do as they please with no repercussions just because a majority (TM) voted (TM) for it there will be no libertarianism - nor universal prosperity - either. Libertarianism also _may_ collapse if some actors grow powerful enough to violate others' rights (establish a "state" or w/e); so fucking what, no political system ever has been perfectly stable. We want to establish a system of justice, if we succeed at that is an entirely different kettle of fish.
>>18071723I never said that they weren't geared towards a libertarian society. I agree with you that they are. From India to the UK, they organize themselves into castes as they always have. There's a reason why historians agree that post-Roman Europe was a shithole compared to Roman Europe. They are way too individualist to care.They've brushed off native European communal philosophies and have murdered collectivism in their continent. At this rate, there's no other ideology for Northwest Europeans other than libertarianism. There is too much avarice in your society to be anything else.But you're never gonna have an ethnostate under libertarianism. You don't like it, but people who are in higher castes than (You) love it. They need pet browns to keep you poor and stuck on the internet.
>>18071727>>18071738>>18071748explain who "northwestern europeans" are. go ahead. you've referred to this concept multiple times by now so please explain so everyone can be as knowledgeable as you are.
>>18071753Anglojeets and all their derivatives. Peoples in B*lgium (pardon my French). N*rmans. Jews.
>>18071768>anglojeetsHold the fuck up are we getting into "saars wuz kangz" territory now? No fucking way, there's absolutely no way that you believe this shit.
>>18071753> explain who "northwestern europeans" are. go ahead. you've referred to this concept multiple times by now so please explain so everyone can be as knowledgeable as you are.Sure thing Pakijeet. A Northwestern European is someone of Northwestern European descent. I hope I answered your retarded question in a way your inbred mind can sufficiently comprehend
>>18071784>Northwestern European descentOk this is DEFINITELY a retarded american thing. I just want you to know that there is no such thing as a "northwestern european". I get that all of those countries seem close to each other when you look on a map but those are actually all different people and cultures.
>>18071753>>18071781You don’t even know who you’re replying to at this point. I’m the original guy you were seething at, you are now arguing with a minimum of two other people as I haven’t checked this thread in 15 minutes. You’re responding to my post and tagging others simultaneously like we’re all one person.
>>18071789Dis nigga ain een know wut a cluster is fr
>>18071800Oh so it's a racial science thing you got from 4chan? LMAO
>>18071722They will never answer this question.
>>18071781There's a subcontinent of people that are polytheistic, speak the same language family, and plaster swastikas everywhere. It's not a coincidence my guy. Indo Europeans must've interacted with them for a LONG time. You can frame it in a degrading way and say that you exploited them and raped them or whatever other weird fantasies you have. And they can say that it was a mutually beneficial exchange. I don't know. But it's a simple fact that whites have interacted with Dravidians and all other people in that continent a lot longer than actual semites have.
>>18071807>SAARS WE ARE EUROPEAN WE MUST REDEEM LIBERTARIAN SOCIETY TO GET MANY GOOGLE PLAY GIFT CARD IT IS IN OUR BLESSED GENETICS GIFTED TO US BY VISHNUAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
>>18071818Exactly. You got the right idea.
>>18071803No? I’m saying people from the same region have commonalities in culture and beliefs even if they are different cultures. If you don’t think Brits, Dutch, Germans, French, Danes, Swedes, and Norwegians can find common ground with one another to a greater extent than they could with a random South Asian, Latino, or Sub-Saharan African, you’re delusional.Keep coping with this seething about me supposedly “believing in race science”. Its got nothing to do with that, it’s just a cultural reality. Filthy illiterate Paki
>>180717223 dollars
>>18071877lmao fucking americans trying to categorize europeans is always insane
>>18071891Pakistanis trying to engage in debates about civilization is infinitely more insane
>>18071896>um you're brownimagine if someone told you that americans and mexicans are the same because they're both "north americans"
>>18071903But I’m talking about Northwestern Europeans, and I’m not saying they’re ENTIRELY the same. Mexicans and Americans are different because the dominant cultural forces developed far away. Would you make the same comparison with Russians and Chinese because they share a border? No, because the Russians come from West of the Urals and most of their population is there, and the Chinese come from their river valleys and rice fields and had to conquer Greater Manchuria.In the same way that Americans are the descendants of white settlers who came from the East, where most of their population is, and Mexicans are the descendants of Mexico Valley Indians mixed with Spaniards, and came from the south, where most of their population is, and was up until recently
>>18071983Are frenchmen and swedes descended from the same people?
>>18071495Fascism, in the RSI and Fiume at least, is preferable in every single was to lolbertism. There is no greater insult to Fascism then comparing it to such a filthy ideology
>>18072000No, but ultimately yes
>>18072127Trvthnvke
