For the longest time, I didn't want to believe it. But given the past decade of genetic data, it's clear classical Greeks were not Aryan. And not just the classical ones, even the Mycenaeans weren't white, owing to their excess of CHG and Levant PPNB and position on the Near Eastern cline. Our Volk has already wasted too much time mythologizing and studying these ancient brown pederasts mistakenly thinking they were our white Nordic brethren. Anything Greek must be substituted with Germanic equivalents at once. I have some initial suggestions, but feel free to add your own.>stop reading Greek philosophy and read only the Germanic philosophers, like Kant, Schopenhauer, and Fichte>instead of reading Homer read the Norse Sagas>instead of learning Greek learn Old Norse, Gothic, or Old High German>avoid using Greek words and prefixes and suffixes when possible, when we have a National Socialist government Eindeutschung language reform can take place>never celebrate Greek achievement, only the destruction and subjugation of Greeks at the hand of Germanic Aryans (Alaric's sacking of Athens, the Fourth Crusade, Norman raids into the Byzantine Empire, modern Greece having a German royal family, etc)>don't look to the Greek heroes, we need Germanic heroes instead, like Adolf Hitler and Hermann>stop saying the Greeks were not gay, we will change course and portray them as homosexuals now>don't describe a well-built physique as "like a Greek God", try to say "like a Germanic warrior" or "like a Viking" insteadLatin is borderline due to Latin's relevance in Medieval Germanic Europe and due to Italics being vaguely peripherally European and Bell Beaker derived unlike the Greeks, although the low levels of steppe is a problem. Anything from Imperial Rome is to be avoided due to the racial replacement but citing old patrician stock like Cicero as well as Germanic authors from after the Migration Period should be fine, but be careful.
>ukraine crimea
>>18068795>pick up Taleb's book about the hindsight rationalisation of outlier events>entire 1st chapter is about how lebs are white
>closer to lebanese christians than to iberiansit's never been more over for gayropeanstaleb won
>>18068795Here you have a thread on who the Greeks are and how it formed:https://desuarchive.org/his/thread/17717684
>>18068795people care about the original latin stock (outliers excluded), not the greeks
>>18068795Wasn't gothic created by a swarthoid greek as well?>>18069199Copium
>>18068795no show the iron age latins, and don't show the outliers
>>18069261keeeeek
>2 of the actual 7 republican romans we have are "outliers">28% of the sample are still called outliersnordcucks are fucking desperate. Kill yourselves, you actual waste of oxygen.
>>18069349they are outliers, retarded low iq spastic, 2 different profiles can't be native to the latins and we know the latins had the more european profile due to the context (the similarity to close tribes for example)they are mixed with foreigners they're not fully latins, south italian supremacists are literally no better than third worldist multiculturalists
>>18068795you lost the ancient italics tho, that were far closer to central europeans than to middle easterners
>>18068795the greeks were homos no one cares about them, we care about conquerors in greek history, the only conquerors were the macedonians that may have been genetically more european due to balkan ancestrythe founding stock of the romans on the other hand turned out to be almost fully european (south french/corsican-like
>>18069383you are completely and utterly mentally ill if you think 28% of a distribution can be called outliers. Off yourself.
>no one cares about the greekskek do timmoids really? Timmy is also a greek name lul
>>18069404it can, the sample size is small and more outliers than average happened, they are outliers, you can't explain middle eastern ancestry in some samples that make them different from the others and from other italics as native
>>18069410he right tho
>>18069255>>18069261Wishful thinking to believe Romans were pure Italic mudhutters. They all get detected as Italian/Greek by AI, even the early Republicans like Brutus.
>>18069607>AIshitthank you for demonstrating you have no counterarguments
>>18069609
>>18068795Non whites, the brown skinned, are the result of whites breeding with their black slaves. The use of such slaves in greek society, and the second class status of the brown hybrids, is an undeniable reality of ancient greek history. Where your modern genetic analysis fails is that it deliberately misrepresents by presenting slaves and the second class brown hybrids as if they were Greeks. Such a misrepresentation could either be due to a deliberate attempt to obfuscate the truth, or from ignorance. Ultimately what this all means is the Greeks were white.
>>18069630>AIshit againyawn
>>18069663>Stop samefagging lmao, you lost. not samefagging, this AIshit is completely useless, you're cluttering the thread with thislatin founders were european shifted, cope and seethe
>>18069671cope and seethe, latins were european shifted
>>18069635Elite Greeks from Mygdalia and Nestor Palace.
>>18069682Replying to yourself is homosexual and your gay spreadsheets are retarded.
>>18069675the IA macedonians were too likely, their warrior spirit is more akin to indo european warriors
>>18069678R1b, sons of nordics
>>18069675Latins were civilized by Greeks. Caesar, Augustus, even Brutus all most likely had Greek/East Med admixture.
>>18069703>most likelyopinion discarded
>>18069726In the case of Augustus, it can be directly confirmed (he had ancestors from Calabria). He looks very similar to Stallone's dad who was 100% Apulian.
>>18069728>In the case of Augustus, it can be directly confirmed (he had ancestors from Calabria).no it can't since we don't have his genome>He looks very similar to Stallone's dad who was 100% Apulian.lmao
>>18069728>He looks very similar to Stallone's dad who was 100% Apulian.he doesn't, don't post curated AI slop as selfconfirmation
>>18069738AI is right. Nord suck med dick so much. You never be med chad ever.
>>18069746the AI tool you're using is unofficial shit for indians
>>18069733>>18069738Faceblind sisters...
>>18069757he is bro. Augustus is actually med chad and nord sissie will seethe forever.
>>18069782looks nothing like him sorry
>>18069811Copium. Even the lips are identical.
>>18069841nope
This tool is pretty good imo. It detects something even highly specific like Ashkenazi Jew (Jews have their own drift which G25 does not show). There's a fair bit of distance between Ashies and South Italians on FST.
>>18069886worthless amateur tool
>>18069886>imoimportant keyword here, try to keep that opinion to yourself, stop spamming this shit, we already have social media full of mindless ai garbage
>>18069915>>18069919Seething apecity monkeys. We don't need your shitty classifications anymore. AI is more reliable than apecity.
>>18069935this is a useless amateur pajeet tool, you can keep spamming this trash all you want, no one is going to take it seriously nor they have an obligation to consider it
>>18069941>this is a useless amateur pajeet toolthe same is true of G25
THANK GOD! Finally a honest Nord is realizing the truth. Can Nords now and forever please leave south european/Near eastern/Levantine/Iranian people alone? We are not the same as you, our achievements are NOT yours to claim. When I go to Athens as an Iranian I feel like I'm walking the streets of Tehran and people treat me like a local, mistake my face and manners for a Greek. When Anglos go there they get into fights with local greek men and get thrown out of bars for not behaving.Anglos are especially the worst offenders when it comes to appropriating Greeks as per this exhibit by insane lying self delusional Anglo rat:>John Stuart Mill's famous opinion was that "the Battle of Marathon, even as an event in British history, is more important than the Battle of Hastings".
>>18070989>Saar I am more European than other Europeans
>>18071043Nords are not European only Meds are
>>18068795Gayreeks were iran-level brownoids.Macedonians were White (resembled northern italians).
Good, can nordicist schizos leave my people alone now?
>>18068795Both those people meant to appear brown look white to me. I’m done with this debate, we just have fundamentally different ideas of what is and isn’t white
>>18071489macedonians were white northern chads, until they assimilated into greek culture due to phillip conquering the greeks, prior to that they were culturally distinct with polygamy, a distinct language unintelligible to greeks, and favored the scythians to there east and celts to their west not just the greeks to their south
>>18072013do you consider egyptians white?
>>18071489>>18072027Macedonians were a greek kingdom, what are you talking about?The only people in the world who claim otherwise are Albanians and (currently) North Macedonians (they officialy acknowledged as a nation that they have no connection on ancient macedocian kingdom as a state, plus the many statements from politicians and historians).
>>18072443
>>18069236The goths were noted as being big, tall and exceptionally attractive blondes by the Romans.
>>18068795>ancient Greeks were brown skinned people with substantial negro admixture just like the modern population todayYou'd have to be retarded to believe that.
>>18072567Mate, your dna is near identical with Bulgarian people. This is a generally accepted opinion. You look the same, you are both Slavs. To claim otherwise is insane.I will say it again, there is a reason that in every single country and university in the world by any decent ancient historian (meaning that at least knows ancient greek to actually read from the original texts) it is without a doubt that Alexander the great was greek. There isn't some worldwide conspiracy going on. The only people that generally believe otherwise are you and Albanians (of course you can add the Turks who hate Greece with all their heart but that's a general hate).
>>18068795
>>18072567this sample is contaminated. it was stated in the study
>>18072443Early Macedonians were simply Illyrians. Later ones were mixed with Greeks.
>>18072789original nordic macedonians creators of the macedonia empire
>>18072789What even is this image?What dateset/tool is this image from?What are the definitions/samples for “Macedonia_IA” and “Classical_Hellenistic Macedonia” used here? Ancient Iron Age Macedonia had a population(s) sampled? Where and how well‑dated?Which populations are being used as references/comparators? (Tuscan, Thessaly, etc.) Are they modern, ancient, what sample sizes, what geographic spread?Im pretty sure you found this on facebook and just posted it.
>>18072922Macedonia_IA is contaminated
>>18072619Never underestimate Albanian, West Buglarian and Turkish propaganda.
>>18073010he is probably one of those. read his post again
>>18072922the macedonia hellenistic sample is actually from the illyrian part of north macedonia, not the actual kingdom of macedon and of course it's not buried with greek material culture. And of course the n=1, it's not even an average, but nordicists will cling to anything just to say that ancient greeks weren't terrone like. It's pathetic, just like they cling to the logkas samples which are just two random whores in a cave, while apparenlty real mycenean aristocrats from crete don't matter.
>>18073054the macedonia_ia shows north-italian like features, this was to be expected from such conquerors
>>18073065>>18072954
>>18073066it's not
not my fault if you cant read
>>18068795no one cares about the myceneans, show us the logkas-like macedonians
>no one cares about homeric heroesL M A Othe cope is unreal
>>18073131the sampe in the op is a dorian, schizo
>>18073065>North Italians>ConquerorsThis is funny.
>>18073152no, there's no proof of that
>>18073156the higher amount northern genetics made them stronger
>>18073169cherson was founded by people from megara, literal dorians. Why are you mentally ill? Why do you dislike anything historic and keep going with your fanfiction?
>>18073201we have no information on that sample, stop spreading misinfo
>sample dated from the iron age in a greek colony is not greek because I said so
>>18073208its also far away from greece and its native people looked nothing like the greeks genetically, but the sample is not greek. this guy's just unhinged or trolling.
>sample with no information about it being greek is greek because i said so
>cherson was not greekhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ChersonesusI have timmy fatigue
>>18073219the sample is not greek tho, it's some thracian migrant that migrated north, the sample carries e-v13
>>18073226holy fuck, bodied that freak, the macedonian_ia people were way more northern than the myceneans
>>18073234you can't even read
>>18073226says you
>>18073238no where in the study the word "greek" is even mentioned, stop spreading misinformation
>>18073245does it say thracian migrant?
>>18073226so just a thracian, it makes sense, the macedonians were likely south french-like
>>18073246it doesn't say greek migrant, so we're both speculating, and as far as speculation goes, the thracian migrant hypothesis is the correct one
>>18069142>claim to be White>seethe uncontrollably at White people when they don't accept youWhy are Christian Arabs and Kabyle quadroons like this?
>>18073223The elites were Nordic, yes the slaves were browns like you and you dug up one of this biomass. Slaves you will return when National Socialism rises again and gains its Raum for the Great Germanic Empire. You and the Slavic slaves will be enslaved and driven to extinction and maybe in 2000 years they will find your weak short body and think that the ancient Fourth Germanic Reich was made of shitskin cattle like yourself.
>>18073253why?
>>18073261autosomally resembles thracians plus has ev13 plus geographical proximity
>>18073257uh oh, melty
>>18073267>autosomally resembles thracianswhere? >ev13bronze age chania crete was ev13>geographical proximityit was a doric greek colony. why is it weird to you to have greeks in it?
>>18069635opposite, slave means whiteyellow hair and blue eyes were the marks of a slave
>>18073267why is a thracian more likely than a greek in a greek colony again? The sample is mycenean + chg + steppe
>>18073279>where? what do you mean where?>bronze age chania crete was ev13it was L618 and it was 1 out of hundreds of samples, while 70% of thracians were e-v13not to mention the whole grave was extremely heterogeneousyou're just coping now
>>18073298thracian haplogroupliterally the whole set is full of extremely divergent people from each other, why would a thracian be so strange when they live close to crimea when you have people that plot with afghans thereyou have anatolian migrants, caucasian migrants, but thracian migrants are too much now?
>>18073301>>18073311What does it change if it's a Thracian or not, Mordvix? You're a slavshit and this is your master either way.
>>18073337i'm germanic
>>18073311Scythian, Mixed dudeDacian, TauriIonian Greek, Dorian Greek
>>18073353Frisian, go to our telegram chat. Ilukha is there
>>18073301It's closer to a Greek sample from Himera than to the Thracian.
>>18073361no, here's a more correct:Scythian, Mixed dudeDacian, TauriMixed dude, Thracian
>>18073365unlike the greek samples he has e-v13, so it's thracian, also the fact you were reduced to using individuals speaks for itself
>>18073373It could be simply a Greek with E-V13. It's a very common haplogroup in modern Greece, so it has to enter the Greek genepool sooner or later.
>>18073368Bottom first guy is clearly Ionian and second guy is a bit northern shifted Mycenean, so Dorian.
>>18073376it's a thracian with e-v13, quit coping, modern greeks are irrelevant
>>18073378the "dorian" is a thracian, this is not up to discussion, bottom first guy is some anatolian mutt and resembles every other anatolian mutt
>>18073385Those bulgarian thracians are just less middle eastern greeks. They are similar. Dorians probably were the same.
>>18073226this settles it, it's obviously a thracian
what a schizo
>>18073388No, the sample is a thracian with e-v13 that resembles thracians, stop being dishonest, it tells us nothing about iron age macedonians
>thracian sample with e-v13 and with zero material greek culture is greek because... because it just issouthrons are becoming annoying with spamming this sample
>>18073385>bottom first guy is some anatolian mutt and resembles every other anatolian muttThere are Nestor Palace samples like that, subhuman slav(e).
>>18073412cyprus not even in sight, just stop lying, it's an anatolian
>>18073428It's similar to some samples from Greek colonies in Anatolia, but so are the Nestor ones. It's not a full Anatolian.
>>18073482it's an anatolian migrant, i noticed how you're not showing the simplest thing that would prove your argument, the distance between those nestor samples and that ukraine sample, because they're not similar, that sample is a cypriot-like anatolian
>>18073397I bet many og Dorians were E-v13 and this is why Greeks have so much of it.
>>18073428>>18073504That's clearly Ionian Greek.
>>18073515a migrant from anatolia, ionian "greek" were greeks in name only
>>18073504Clusters with Greek colonies in Anatolia and some Cycladic/LBA Greek samples. Greeks and Anatolians were very similar either way.
>>18073507nope they weren't, and greeks have so much of it because modern greeks are the sons of balkan slavic migrants, their haplogroups are irrelevant to the argument, they barely even have j2a that was the most common haplogroup in greece
>>18073534No they had 30-40% mycenean-like dna >>18073538True tho.
>>18073538>SHE'S NOT FROM ANATOLIA!!!>anyway, here's a chart proving she was from anatolia
>>18073550Not full Anatolian. Clusters with Greeks from Greece as well.
>>18073555>most southern shifted individuals from islandsthis is getting ridiculous, it's an anatolian
>>18073558>islands, anatoliaBvlls who created Greek civilization.
>>18073565"Only Mycenaeans were Greek and the others were just non Greek Hellenized Anatolians, who were Middle Eastern and totally different" is perhaps one of the most embarrassing Nordicist copes out there. No historian has ever made such a claim or would, this stupidity only started when wignats that hate Southern Europeans discovered G25. So only the Homeric heroes were the only Greeks and then pretty much all Greek philosophers, scientists, architects were just non-Greek Near Easterners who replaced Greeks. Then Ancient Greece would be meaningless because it would be restricted to a tiny point in time of seafaring warriors with minimal intellectual or civilizational achievement.
>>18073710And even that doesn’t make sense because Mycenaeans had CHG, Iran_N, and PPNB. They weren’t ever some paragon of whiteness anyways. At least for the Italics they could claim they were fully Steppe, ANF, and WHG but not Greeks. It’s just another desperate attempt to try and tear down Southern European history with frankly laughable and historically illiterate theories,
>>18073710it's not, they were middle eastern and you're replying to yourself
>>18073729So the Greek civilization was Middle Eastern and the pinnacle of Greek culture science and philosophy had the genetics of "Levantine slaves", great now you can stop kanging on them as Aryans now.
>>18073737the pinnacle of greek civilization was the empire of makedon, we literally wouldn't give 2 shits about the greeks if the macedonians didn't conquer west asia and egypt
White pypio btfo
>>18073742thats the last thread you can cling to huh? you ll lose that too.
>>18072443They were as Greek as the manchus were Han Chinese, basically not at all, after conquering the Greeks the Macedonians assimilated, you don’t have to be a albanian or some slav to see that, they were totally distinct as a culture prior to phillip, and their culture was more similar to their northern neighbors
>>18073742The Macedonians that clustered with Tuscans? None of these people were anything like you whatsoever.
>>18073776>and their culture was more similar to their northern neighborshow?
>>18073776Macedonians literally proved they were greek to participate in the Olympics. Alexander the first proved that. Also Alexander the first ,while Macedonian kingdom was under Persian rule, sent this letter/message warning about the imminent attack of the persians to the united Greeks (except Thebes) fought Persians during the battle of PlataeWord for word (Herodotus, Histories , [9.45.1])>οἱ δὲ ἐπεὶ ταῦτα ἤκουσαν, αὐτίκα εἵποντο ἐς τὰς φυλακάς. ἀπικομένοισι δὲ ἔλεγε Ἀλέξανδρος τάδε· Ἄνδρες Ἀθηναῖοι, παραθήκην ὑμῖν τὰ ἔπεα τάδε τίθεμαι, ἀπόρρητα ποιεύμενος πρὸς μηδένα λέγειν ὑμέας ἄλλον ἢ Παυσανίην, μή με καὶ διαφθείρητε· οὐ γὰρ ἂν ἔλεγον, εἰ μὴ μεγάλως ἐκηδόμην συναπάσης τῆς Ἑλλάδος. [9.45.2] αὐτός τε γὰρ Ἕλλην γένος εἰμὶ τὠρχαῖον, καὶ ἀντ᾽ ἐλευθέρης δεδουλωμένην οὐκ ἂν ἐθέλοιμι ὁρᾶν τὴν Ἑλλάδα.It LITERALLY says that he is Greek and wants Greece to be FREE. How can you say such insane opinions that no one educated supports, you have done 0 research.Holy fuck, why do you people even write on a history forum?
>>18073742There have been many empires throughout history. The Roman, Mongol, and Spanish empires were even more impressive. What makes the Greek civilization so unique is their way of thinking and philosophy.>>18073710>>18073716Truth nukes.Yes that cope is extremely dishonest.
>>18073882and because you are an uneducated monkey boy, the Battle of Plataea was at 479 BC, 150 years before Alexander the Great.
>>18073882>Herodotushellenized middle eastern shitskin according to germ schizo above
>>18073898The claims on this thread are just insane, beyond what we call fringe.The only reason we should even bother is because other people that dont know read their opinions and think that they must be mainstream when they arent supported by anyone.The greekness of macedonians is not up to debate. The just try to morph history to fit your national,ideological,phyletic criteria
North Macedonia samples are Illyrians, not Macedonian Greeks. They're closest to Illyrians and Albanians on Fst.
>>18073946*their
>>18069385Central Europeans are Med hybrids, their Farmer % Exceeds their Steppe ancestry once you get into Southern Germany. Sorry Northern Europeans still can't claim them.
>>18072029Obviously not
>>18070989>When I go to Athens as an Iranian I feel like I'm walking the streets of Tehran and people treat me like a localGiven the current demographics of Athens...
>>18072789Early Macedonians were close to their proto-Greek (and later proto-NorthWest Greek) ancestors with some other admixture. Later they mixed with other, closely related Greek tribes from nearby regions and then with other Greeks from further south as well as people like Thracians and Paeonians."But they don't cluster with Mycenaeans!" Of course, since Mycenaeans were more than half local Pelasgian-Helladic-Minoan
>>18072619>>18073010>>18073035>substantial negro admixtureMight be some American too, they're often the ones who think that mixing with blacks was some favourite past-time of ancient civilizations
>>18073226>>18073253>>18073267E-V13 has been found in ancient Greek samples already, plus its modern distribution aligns more with Greeks than with Thracians. I think it was some native Central-South Balkan haplogroup that got absorbed into various populations, possibly during the late bronze age? We might see it in Dorians (confirmed ones, I mean) incl. close relatives like Epirotans, Macedonians, Aetolians as well as Paeonians, Triballians and such
>>18073301>hundreds of samplesNot really
>>18073226Proto-Greeks came from the North and wiped the floor with the Helots living in Hellas before them. This is well known.
>>18073776You would, of course, have some evidence and well-constructed arguments to back that up, right?
>>18074129>E-V13 has been found in ancient Greek samples alreadyno, that 1 sample has L618 and it's 1/100+, it's thracian>plus its modern distribution aligns more with Greeks than with Thracians. modern distribution is absolutely irrelevant
>>18074175Ok, it's not confirmed to be E-V13, it's confirmed to be its direct ancestor. One of the samples from Ambracia in Epirus was also E-M78 and if I remember correctly one of the samples from Himera as well, though ethnic affilitation there is less clear. Plus, I think there was at least one in the West vs East Med IE paper>modern distribution is absolutely irrelevantNot absolutely, as long as we don't have enough samples from various eras we need to work with what we do have. I'm not saying that the modern and ancient distributions are the same, but the various ancient and medieval migrations, direct and indirect, don't really seem to favour Thracians as the mediators. Still, we'll have to get more samples from more eras and locations to see the gradual change
>>18074196>One of the samples from Ambracia in Epirus was also E-M78 2 are e-v13 but they're illyrian mercenariesrest you're just making it up, there's only 1 L618 in a greek out of more than a hundred malesthe guy in chersonus is thracians, quit coping>Not absolutely, as long as we don't have enough samples from various eras we need to work with what we do have. I'm not saying that the modern and ancient distributions are the same, but the various ancient and medieval migrations, direct and indirect, don't really seem to favour Thracians as the mediators. Still, we'll have to get more samples from more eras and locations to see the gradual changemodern distribution is ABSOLUTELY irrelevant, half of peloponnesians and greek epirots were arvanites, that's where greeks got their e-v13
>>18074235I don't understand your cope. Isn't it worse if it's a Thracian? That means the actual Classical Greeks had even less steppe than that sample.
>>18074288it's not "cope", you clearly don't know what cope means, it's a thracian and not a greek, and it's you coping endlessly by denying this>That means the actual Classical Greeks had even less steppe than that sample.it doesn't, that sample is completely inconsequential to greeks of any kind
>>180742931) You don't have any proof it's a Thracian, E-V13 is a generic Paleo-Balkan haplo2) The Greeks noted the Thracians for being lighter than them and yet this supposed 'Thracian' clusters with South Italians.
>>18074300>You don't have any proof it's a Thracian, E-V13 is a generic Paleo-Balkan haplothere's no proof it's greek, it's likely a thracian since its autosomal ancestry is thracian and not illyrian>The Greeks noted the Thracians for being lighter than them and yet this supposed 'Thracian' clusters with South Italians.that sample is inconsequential to greekssimply accept defeat with dignity, don't drag a losing argument so much
>>18074305It's not inconsequential. It literally clusters with Greeks from Himera (Classical Greeks from the same period).
>>18074309it's completely inconsequential
>>18069635Lol
>>18074321he's onto something
>>18069635its over for you
>>18074317Repeating a lie doesn't make it true.
>>18074336it's not a lie, its genetics are completely inconsequential to the IA macedoniansand stop using individuals you worthless dishonest loser, only averages matter, it's overall closer to IA bulgarians
>>18074339You just activated my trap card.
>>18074352no see >>18073301 your doctored averages don't countnot that it matters anyway, the haplogroup is clear, it's e-v13, that's is NOT ancient greek whether you accept it or notnow stop acting like a 12 year old, you lost the argument, plain and simple, it's a thracian
>>18074357It's going to remain closer to Greeks from Himera and Iberian Empuries no matter how much you sperg about it. Those are Greeks from the same time frame. And it's overall closer to Mycenaeans than Bulgarian samples as a whole.
>>18074374>It's going to remain closer to Greeks from Himera and Iberian Empuries no matter how much you sperg about it. Those are Greeks from the same time frame. And it's overall closer to Mycenaeans than Bulgarian samples as a whole.nope, this is objectively incorrect according to ACTUAL average >>18073301, it's useless of you to post these charts with cherrypicked individual samples (don't think i didn't notice you're omitting most of the bulgarian samples) and meme averages, it's overall closer to IA bulgariansand as i said, it's e-v13, that is not greek, it's a thracian sample, there is no way around this, you're wasting anyones time
>>18074391That's not an average, retard. It's literally only one sample. Bulgaria_EIA is the real average.
>>18074401nope, it's an average, the true average actually, it's a thracian with e-v13, stop dragging this argument
>>18073226He was a literal Thracian dude, meds are so pathetic
>>18074436exactly, they're lying scum
>>18074425There's only one sample labeled as that in the dataset, Mordsnake.
>>18074456it's an average that you're omitting because you don't like it, and the sample is e-v13 anyway, it's a thracian, stop dragging this argument so much, stop coping, it's objectively a thracian, you only have one option: accepting it
>>18074462It's an individual sample, so it's fair to compare to other individuals like the Greeks from Himera and Empuries in Iberia.
>>18074464Also, would you be open to accept my argument that R435 sample from Republican period Rome is a Gaul based on this same argument we're having? So the half-East Med would be the real Republican in that case.
>>18074464>>18074476nope, these is the only autosomal-related, chart that matters >>18073301 i won't go over this alreadyand the sample is e-v13, it's thracian, and i don't care about whatever retarded whataboutism false comparison that you probably think it's some sort of gotcha due to low iq but it's not
it's just the chg innit?
>>18074490the original greeks were likely logkas-types, much more nordic by comparison
>>18074501the logkas are protogreeks, but their genetic profile likely survived in the upper classes
>>18068795Hello you are a dumb nigger because the philosphers that you listed base at least some of their ideas around ancient Greek philosphy. To comprehend what any of them are saying required an understand of Greek philosphy. I disavow the Talmud.
>>18074526we have aristocrats ancient greek samples and they don't look logkas at all. Why are you mentally ill?
>>18074563Just in. Another Greek Aristocrat on E-V13.1. "On the population of the Northern Black Sea region in Hellenistic - Roman times according to genome-wide analysis."Leonova M.V., Zhur K.V., Prokhorchuk E.B., Svirkina N.G., Dobrovolskaya M.V., Bydanov A.S., Kuznetsov V.D., Voroshilov A.N., Ilyina T.A., Yazikov S.V.2. "Genetic Studies of Burials from Two Crypts of the Ancient Period in the Eastern Necropolis of Phanagoria"A. D. Manakhov, E. V. Rozhdestvenskikh, E. D. Aituganova, S. S. Kunizheva, A. N. Voroshilov, N. G. Svirkina, S. N. Ostapenko, V. D. Kuznetsov, E. I. RogaevSome subclades are found among the Middle Volga Tatars and Chuvash.ID: mt Haplogroup | Y Haplogroup1 studyFN2: H5 | -FN3: H13a1a1 | -FN6: T1* | -FN8: H55 | -FN9: U5a1b1 | J2a1a1a2b2a1a1c2b1~ J-Y18694 https://www.yfull.com/tree/J-Y18694/FN10: T2I | -FN11: T2I | J2b1 J-M205 https://www.yfull.com/tree/J-M205/FN12: J1d5 | Q1b2 Q-Y1150 https://www.yfull.com/tree/Q-Y1150/KD1: H26a1 | -KD5: T1a1 | G2a2b2a1a1a2a2a G-S9409 https://www.yfull.com/tree/G-S9409/KD6: U5a1d2b | R1b1a1b1 R-L584 https://www.yfull.com/tree/R-L584/>P083: T2b+152 | E1b1b1a1b1a6a1~ E-CTS9320 https://www.yfull.com/tree/E-CTS9320/P084: T2h2 | T1a2a T-Y13244 https://www.yfull.com/tree/T-Y13244/P085: T2 | J2a~ J-M410 https://www.yfull.com/tree/J-M410/P087: T1a2*2 | G2a2b2a1a1a2a3 G-BY109806 https://www.yfull.com/tree/G-BY109806/https://genarchivist.net/showthread.php?tid=96&page=59
>>18075195>Phanagorianot in greece, more thracians>genarchivist predictionnot a valid source
>>18075259thracian or a dacian
>>18075195>Greekroman times, look at colors, the reds are from the hellenistic period>Aristocratwe don't know anything about their social statuswe don't know anything about his autosomal ancestry, he may look like those moldavian-like samples for all we know
>>18075271so just dacian from the roman times, got it
>>18075275a nothingburger>The samples from the archaeological sites studied are heterogeneous and have their own characteristics. Based on the results of statistical data processing, the samples from the Kil-Dere 1 burial ground, Hermonassa and the eastern necropolis of Phanagoria can be roughly divided into two clusters. One of which is genetically related to Sarmatians from the Volga region and Scythians from Ukraine and Moldova, while the second cluster of samples is genetically related to representatives of the Caucasus.>Individuals from Phanagoria during the Hellenistic-Roman period do not bear clear traces of Mediterranean influence. It is likely that an important role in the formation of this population was played by the ancient substratum of the Eneolithic and Bronze Ages>Individuals from Hermonassa are located on the periphery of clusters of representatives of the Ancient Caucasus and Late Scythian populations, which apparently reflects the processes of mixing that were typical for the population of the Taman Peninsula in the mid-3rd century CE.https://vas.sfu-kras.ru/uploads/Trudy_VII_XXIII_VAS_Tom_III_e6e99f6589.pdfgo to page 370NO MEDITERRANEAN ANCESTRY, JUST SCHYTHIANS AND CAUCASIANS
>>18075290another quote>Representatives from Kil-Dere 1, although they appear heterogeneous, also gravitate towards the late Scythian population of Central Europe and the Scythians from the territory of Ukraine.SCYTHIANS AND CAUCASIANSNO MEDITERRANEAN ANCESTRY
>>18075293>>18075290medbros
imagine a bunch of nordic blonde scythians and sarmatians running the greek colonies, it must have been kino
>>18068795sage and report these retarded threads
>>18068795You're the only one needing to move on from the topic nigger. No one cares what color they were
