>>18068803
Read that Bolivar met him in Mt. Chimborazo.
Which is why I converted to Sikhism immediately afterward.

I read the Havamal and it just made sense to me that the Old Gods still rule supreme

>>18068803
After seeing your weeb pedophile posts on 4ch I was convinced that the catholic church is the best chance at have at getting away with child abuse.

>>18068803
Nothing.

> implying some sky fairy "created" the universe
> zero empirical evidence, just ancient cope books written by goat herders
> the entire universe operates on natural laws, no need for a magic man in the sky
> problem of evil: either he's a sadist, incompetent, or doesn't exist. pick one.

The historical claim for Christianity.
> 12 average guys from the Roman Empire’s monotheistic backwater proclaim they witnessed a resurrected executed criminal that claimed to be the one true God of their religion (Jesus)
> They risk their lives to continue preaching about him even after their movement gets popular and seen as a threat by the Emperors and their own religious leaders
> Most of them are brutally murdered for holding to their beliefs
> They could’ve easily been proven false by Jewish leaders showing Jesus’ body was still dead, yet they couldn’t
> We have attestations of their beliefs as early as a few years after the claimed resurrection transpired (look up the Corinthian Creed, 1 Cor 15:3-8), showing that their beliefs weren’t mythologized over time and this is what they actually claimed

So what are you waiting for?

>>18068803
I hate how christcucks are trying to claim Frieren when Frieren is at best a pagan since its a goddess that everyone seems to be worshiping and not YHWH, god of israel

My society and where I was born. I've escaped containment, but at what cost?

I think elites want us to return Ussher's society where there is a single central truth to large questions that is fraudulently programmed into us all (that the world is 6000 years old, which went uncontested for centuries in the west). This is because they have gone to great pains, through the vehicle of Jews, to wrest control of the media from us. The printing press gave the lower classes incredible power which came with intellectual advances, and then the enlightenment, and then revolutions, and a load of confusing noise from all sides pouring out into a deluge of interpretations and denominations, while the majority has clung to "well it's probably just the same thing, just do good, even atheists will go to heaven probably."

WEF feudalism only seems feasible if super elites extend their life spans because technology has made child rearing in 1st world countries really difficult. Royal families must be very insulated to avoid the mind fuckery happening to elitist circles, you can see it with Musk's kids who are all freaks, even religious Jew types like Soros has a son who might make page 4 someday, but be irrelevant as anything but a retainer of Polish WWII energetics.

IT will come in the form of AI to distribute this message. The programming of people is a collectivization effort to make a serf class. The upshot is that we all might not be living as badly, even if we all believe the exact same lies. Abrahamism can't survive 1st world countries. That much is clear. So the next framework will be a filtered plebeian science that results in metaphysics that are "good enough" to keep people living and believing the same as Christians did, or which have the same logical consequences, ethically and culturally. It always starts with metaphysical beliefs even if the labels change.

The free (Germanic) press of individualism is dead.

>>18068803
Raised Muslim. Always felt like consciousness can transcend the physical body we possess. I just have a strong belief that this life wasn’t an accident, that humans arent just a random product of evolution. I refuse to believe this is the only life I have

I was raised in the church that's it. The trinity is a meme by the way and obviously goes against the idea of having one God, it makes you think blatantly contradictory statements like saying Mary is the Mother of God.

>>18068803
I never believed in God

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>>18068803
there's no "God". I thought about this every day for thirty years. The only explanation for reality is we're all God because everything is one thing which is God. When we die nothing happens because we were never created to begin with it's all an illusion created by the brain

>>18069008
How did you arrive to that conclusion? What was your thought process?

>>18069069
hero dose of shrooms and months of contemplation

>>18069069
also I thought about lobotomies, dementia and ship of Theseus. how much brain could you remove before someone stops being themselves? if you remove 1 gram of brain matter a day what day would they stop being able to be themselves? eventually you will remove all of it and there will just be the body. There's no point you can say someone had a soul and another point where the sou went away. It's just a brain with an idea, a construction of reality. We each have our own dream where we construct ideas of who we are and who other people are but these are not any more real than anything in our dreams or any other ideas

>>18068803
I believe humans look for a strong leader when they are scared. Reality scares me sometimes, its too unfathomable, too deep and too ruthless. Im just a slightly smarter monkey on a rock, what am i to do about this except look for someone who may be in control of things?
Despite that, i have fears that even God is just another helpless prisoner in reality

>>18069105
May i interest you in our lord and saviour, open individualism (if you arent already part our hivemind)? A single universal soul experiencing everything through all the bodies in the world is a very convenient solution to that problem
We have free cookies (join the hivemind)

basically what caused the big bang and what caused the thing that caused the big bang and what caused the thing that caused the thing that caused the big bang.

thats why pretty much

Seeing God of Israel hating fags and wanting baby forskins in the old Testament made me believe in after life.

>>18068803
I was born into faith. When I started critically investigating it in my early 20s, I didn't see any good reason to leave the faith and on top of that I found the contingency argument (NOT Kalam's cosmological argument) to be convincing for the existence of the classical monotheist God.

In general, I didn't see many scenarios where the atheistic worldview is more sensical than the theistic one. More convenient for certain types of reductionism? Definitely. But sensical overall? Rarely so.

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18068815
>Read that Bolivar met him in Mt. Chimborazo.
>Which is why I converted to Sikhism immediately afterward.

>>18068803
Enjoy burning.

Btw by burning I mean my mom's STDs, get yourselves checked

>>18069347
I do that and I also die from acute poisoning afterward.

>>18069105
I don't want to spoil this thread but I think I may have a possible solution for you here:
The point where the body ceases to have a soul connected is when the brain which interfaces between the soul, mind, and body is no longer functional, thus separating the soul from the body.

>>18069238
The whole reason the big bang is said to need a cause is because it is a beginning, if something has no beginning then it doesn't need a cause, but since the universe did in the big bang, then it must have had a cause, and that is where it is different to God who does not need a cause.

>>18068803
When I read my own Bible, did my own research, and just when I had about accepted God as a fact from the evidence (>>18068854 contains a good piece), he showed me proof more directly and that's when my scholarly and thus debatable knowledge became firm faith. This path will not work for everybody, which is why I thank the Lord it happened to me. I was given a grace most will go their whole lives without and I will not forget or forsake it. I can only hope that the others on this anonymous, bot-ridden platform will trust the words of a random anonymous user enough to find God in their own lives.

Saw him when I was briefly dead.

>>18068815
Weird flex but okay

>>18068861
I hate that pagans and christians are even fighting over anime girl mascots in the first place. This shit is why our race is dying

>>18068891
>refuse to believe
no one's forced you to believe otherwise.
It's the religious faggots that are forcing you to believe something and they tell you that you'll face severe consequences if you don't believe. you feel that your belief is voluntary but it's really not.

>>18069699
This. Let the proxy-jews have that shit.

>>18068803
Frieren is Calvinist if anything, the Demons can't chose not to be evil and get damned after all.
>>18069405
Pls KJVonly anon stop being so angry all the time :3

>>18068854
This combined with the graphic explanation of how tortuous the crucifixion execution really is. Nobody would be willing to lie knowing that's what awaited them.

>>18068854
"A casual stroll through the lunatic asylum shows that faith does not prove anything" - Nietzsche

They BELIEVED in Jesus sure, that doesn't make it true. I met a woman in the psych ward who thought SHE WAS JESUS, she probably would have died for her belief despite it being a delusion. Would you follow her religion if she became a martyr?

Muslim extremists allegedly flew planes into buildings believing firmly in Islam, why don't you follow their religion? They were willing to die for their beliefs, which is your standard of "proof".

>>18069707
> It's the religious faggots that are forcing you to believe something
Why do you act like atheists don’t make an active effort to convince people god doesn’t exist and that there is no afterlife?
> you feel that your belief is voluntary but it's really not.
Except in most cases it is? No one is forcing me to believe in god, it’s mg choice

>>18070224
> Nietzsche
Dude went insane from his own worldview

>>18070234
No, he was just in a hurry to reincarnate as Hitler.

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>>18068803
Too many events/realizations to count but in broad strokes:

>Science hasn't even come close to disprove the claim the universe is designed despite us reaching the limits of what we can observe in both quantum and classic physical fields

> There's irrational evil pushing and creating most of the world moral/spiritual ails: This is too big to go into details but things like knowing abortion clinics would move underage girls across states and pay for it to perform abortions on them and all the lies they tell them to get them to abort made me realize there's no cold clinical profiteering greed behind it; killing babies is the end goal, even if they have to lose money on it. Enough examples like this and you realize there are dogmatic beliefs held by people that push all of these ideas

>There's not a single thing like Christianity in the world. The history itself is like no other, Jesus's teachings resonate with humanity so strongly that they're forbidden by despots across the world yet propaganda has tried to make us think it's just another religion like the hundreds of mythologies from all over the world. It's not and it never was.

>Finally the fact that looking at the big picture everything orbits around Christ. Islam and rabbinic judaism is a response to Christ. New age "secularism" is a response to Christ, every communist revolution goes after Christians and churches and many other examples. All of this while Christians are by far the least violent religion in the world, they don't call any other people cattle or call for holy war against anyone. Surely if rationality was the point in any of these detractors they would just let them exist as the cooky religious nuts they claim they are. But something seems to compel them to destroy Christ's message, and only that.

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>>18068803
I started building a shrine to Dionysus and the further along it got the bigger my tits got.
Worshipping Dionysus got me more than decades of praying to Yahweh

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>>18068803
Realizing that
>The Universe had a finite beginning
>The Universe has no ending i.e. it doesn't "reset itself" in some naturalistic cycle
so I figured God must've done it, as opposed to what was essentially the atheistic argument, which is as follows:
>must've been the wind...

>>18070329
>"Worshipping Dionysus got me more than decades of praying to Yahweh"
>religion is about getting me things
ngmi

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>>18068803
>bro science is true unlike religion
>yeah physics explains everything
>yeah as long as you account for dark matter that makes up the majority of existence and we have no idea what it is or why things behave the way they do
>then our equations make sense except in the big bang or black holes or in particle physics
>no it's totally different than religion

>>18069008
yeah yeah ok spinoza

>>18068803
I doubt that Frieren has a Jesus figure in it. I think that there was a mention of a Megami (Goddess) but maybe I misremember it.

>>18069008
>an illusion is created by nothing for no reason
basic bitch philosophy "I think, therefore, I am" stands miles above your navel-gazing antithought.
you DO exist you retard. that's why you're currently experiencing existence.
the farthest you could go would be to claim that everything you see is a HALLUCINATION of your mind, but your mind itself is still real in some way.

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>>18070365
I was right there was a Goddess in Frieren:
https://frieren.fandom.com/wiki/Goddess_of_Creation

>>18068845
>strawman no one thinks God is some sky fairy
>zero empirical evidence except existence itself exists
>natural laws that don't actually work without a bunch of tape and assumptions we don't fully understand
>Argument from ignorance

>>18068845
>God is a sadist
okay so what?
You're just bullshitting honestly. If you were being serious you'd at least be a little afraid of a "sadist God."
In reality you're just using cudgel-words to beat Christians. The actual answer is that you're a weird freak that hates the idea of a morality which is not arbitrated by yourself. You hate that you aren't God so you call him a sadist. You probably also hate your IRL dad too I would wager.

>>18068845
>Argument from incredulity
>Book of fairy tales rhetoric
>Doesn't know what evidence is
>I hate God, therefore he doesn't exist
It's all there... Could it be... The Euphoric One?

>>18068803
That I exist, experiencing existing, and want to make existence less shitty for those that come after me
To me, the much more interesting question isn't the creation of the universe - it's the creation of consciousness. Something which seems at odds with what a materialistic world can create. The fact that I want to improve things as an ordinary human means that whatever "force" created my consciousness probably wants what's best for us too

>>18068803
Personal experience

>>18068854
> 12 average guys from the Roman Empire’s monotheistic backwater proclaim they witnessed a resurrected executed criminal that claimed to be the one true God of their religion (Jesus)
They weren't average guys, aside from Paul they were Jesus's disciples lol. Also 12? We have pretty scarce evidence for most of them continuing active in the movement, it's like only the first couple of chapters of Acts and then way later apocryphal legends.

> They risk their lives to continue preaching about him even after their movement gets popular and seen as a threat by the Emperors and their own religious leaders
Like Muhammad and Joseph Smith?

> Most of them are brutally murdered for holding to their beliefs
Again there is little evidence of this.

> They could’ve easily been proven false by Jewish leaders showing Jesus’ body was still dead, yet they couldn’t
Wouldn't be very good proof unless they jumped on it early; after a few months they'd be displaying something unrecognizable due to decay. But anyway, Jesus's body was probably dumped in a unmarked grave like most crucifixion victims and thus lost.

> We have attestations of their beliefs as early as a few years after the claimed resurrection transpired (look up the Corinthian Creed, 1 Cor 15:3-8), showing that their beliefs weren’t mythologized over time and this is what they actually claimed
Something can definitely be mythologized within a few years. I know that seems very short on a historical scale, but think about your own experience and how quickly rumors can arise and truth can get distorted.

>>18070310
reading this made me realize why africa converted to christianity so easily

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Trannies, unironically. The absurdity of hulking hons demanding society pretend they are real biological women, mincing their genitals then pretending they are on their period when dilation opens up their infected surgery scars and they start to bleed down there led me down the rabbit hole to realizing pure atheist nihilist hedonist materialism is self-destructive and that God, as a philosophy, isn't quite the irrational superstitious slop Dawkins and the fedora tipping "four horsemen" would have us believe. Dawkins himself is a sexual degenerate of sorts who believes pedophilia is ok.

https://duckduckgo.com/?q=dawkins+on+pedophilia

I used to think atheism was this new exciting thing, that it was smart, because there is no scientific evidence for God as a man in the clouds throwing lightning bolts like Zeus I guess. I resented my mother for making me dress up like a dork and go to Sunday school, but I now realize I was just a dumb bratty kid and a cringy teenager trying too hard to be edgy.

>>18070828
no middle ground exists, anon. see you again in a couple of years when the pendulum swings back

>>18070828
>https://duckduckgo.com/?q=dawkins+on+pedophilia
None of the abrahamic complained about pedophilia or banned it.
There is the infamous case of Muhammad being engaged to Aisha at age 6 and marrying her at age 9. Rabbis allowing fucking toddlers in the talmud.
Christian Europe had an allowed age of marriage of 12 for girls and 14 for boys. That age is from roman law. Your anti-pedophilia morals don't come from christianity.
Mary is thought to be a young girl 12 or 14 when she was pregnant.

>>18070850
You should kill yourself.

>>18070860
I didn't say that pedophilia is okay. I said that being against pedophilia isn't something that comes from christianity.

>>18070861
See >>18070860

>>18070876
You are a fucking idiot.

>>18070896
I am objectively very high IQ. I go to an Ivy League school. You can't fool me into thinking that your brain has any value. Nice try, I guess, but not really.

>>18070901
nta but you write like a 14 year old from start to finish

>>18070905
>Dunning-Kruger: The Post.
How very.

>>18070901
i bet it's cornell or dartmouth. you only boast about it if you go to the bottom two

>>18070905
I want him to show me where in the bible or any pre-enlightenment christian writings pedophilia is condemned. He takes enlightenment era values or from afterwards, claim they are christian values and then demonizes the ones who produced his values in the first place.

>>18070908
I'm not sure how you think over-estimating knowledge plays into such a simple observation, but I wouldn't expect a teenager to do anything else but deflect.
There are youtube lectures on emotional maturity.

>>18070913
>i bet it's cornell or dartmouth. you only boast about it if you go to the bottom two
You just exposed the fact that you don't even have a single Ivy Leaguer in your social life. I would go so far as to bet you've never gotten to know exceptional people in any category, be it sports, business, etc. You are a mediocrity in a sea of mediocrity. Sucks!
>>18070916
>He takes enlightenment era values or from afterwards
No, I don't. I take my "values" from the Bible. Have fun burning.

>>18070916
From the top of my head, I think byzantine laws set the minimum age for marriage around 14 years, which seems to imply that most kids are off limits and that around the time a child becomes a de facto adult is when they are fit to have a partner. But it will greatly depend on whether your understanding of "adult" reflects the life standards of the period.

>>18070923
I graduated Columbia :) Cum laude by the way. Good luck in your studies, poor cornellian.

>>18070923
Ohh it's the baptist clock. Tick tock lmao. I didn't know you're pretending to be educated too looool after all this?

>>18070933
Impressive! Did you also contract AIDS during your time in Jew York?

>>18070850
Laws are not the same as morals, this was the minimum age the law would intervene in a society where fathers decided when and who their daughter would marry. Pre-industrial society was very chaste and religious with most marriages in their early 20s.

The industrial revolution saw peasants from traditional rural societies flood into the cities where many ended up destitute with many women and some girls turning to prostitution. In 1885 a book was published, The Maiden Tribute of Modern Babylon, detailing how, to prove a point, the author purchased a 13 year old girl and took her to France. This shocked the chattering classes and of Britain and in the same year passed the Criminal Law Amendment Act 1885 prompting US states to follow suit, starting with the industrialized east coast and eventually most states by 1920. The author was raised christian and a religious man who would die on the Titanic.

>>18070939
The Lord protected me, unlike you. I also got on my own, without an evangelical scholarship, unlike you. Probably because you can't pull your weight.

>>18070951
maximum age rather

>>18070932
I think that could be a result of roman laws. Abrahamic religions don't seem to condemn pedophilia. I wonder if pederasty is even condemned. The law where a man mustn't sleep with another man like he does with a woman seem to imply that young boys who aren't adults yet could be excluded which would imply that pederasty is allowed but I don't know.

>>18070951
>The industrial revolution saw peasants from traditional rural societies flood into the cities where many ended up destitute with many women and some girls turning to prostitution. In 1885 a book was published, The Maiden Tribute of Modern Babylon, detailing how, to prove a point, the author purchased a 13 year old girl and took her to France. This shocked the chattering classes and of Britain and in the same year passed the Criminal Law Amendment Act 1885 prompting US states to follow suit, starting with the industrialized east coast and eventually most states by 1920. The author was raised christian and a religious man who would die on the Titanic.
But is this opposition to it a result of christianity or from some other cause?

>>18070952
Sorry, I didn't realize Columbia had such poor instruction in rhetoric. I almost feel bad for you now. How much did you pay for your "degree"?

>>18070958
Could be, but the goalpost was pre-enlightenment Christian, which the Byzantine empire, one of the most Christian political bodies to ever exist, meets.
>The law where a man mustn't sleep with another man like he does with a woman seem to imply that young boys who aren't adults yet could be excluded
Not really, there are I think 3 iterations of this law across both testaments, each using a different phrasing or terms and making these kinds of exclusions isn't a common thread. Gay sex seems to be banned completely. It would be reasonable to expect sex with children to be banned with similar level of explicit phrasing, but I suppose there was no consensus on when the reproductive age is reached, since many nations were combined in the people of the covenant.

>>18070971
Don't worry, my family easily affords it - I didn't need a leg up scholarship just to get into Cornell. Pitiful.

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>>18071045
and "required perfection" was totally not a super vague term back then, totally not open to "interpretation". christcucks really forget that the enlightenment dragged the church along with it, screaming and kicking

>>18070230
Atheists don't go around knocking doors, they don't convert people by sword.
you believe in islam because you were raised into it. you would believe in Christianity if you were born into it. you don't believe in islam voluntarily, don't act like a faggot spouting bullshit

>>18068803
Getting a degree in history did the opposite for me, I'm afraid.

>jesus 100% existed
>nothing he ever said was transcribed
>paul transcribed a bunch of conjecture and rumor after nearly 80 years of it being passed down
>different interpretations of his teachings were merged and many likely lost
>we have no idea who wrote the gospels
>we know the book of john is horseshit and written later not by paul and its where all the resurrectionslop comes from

You can "faith" your way out of it, but there's soooo many holes. I wish I could believe in God, but the Bible is just such bullshit.

I carry the teachings of Christ with me because I believe he was enlightened, the same way I think you can get shit out of Siddhartha's teaching without being a Buddhist.

>>18071417
>got a degree in history
>thinks Paul wrote his epistles 80 years after Christ
hmmm...
grim.

No onions Epstein, no opino

>>18068803
>What made you believe in God?
Atheists.

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>>18071428
Not my field of study in the slightest. Took a class on Christianity when I was like 19, forgive me for being a retard.

Point still stands, shit was up in the air for at least a decade, likely two.

>>18068803
Pussy is too good. There has to be a God to have created such a magical smelly flesh pocket of pleasure.

>>18071417
Not believing in Jesus or christianity or any other abrhamaic religion doesn't mean you have to not believe in God.
Who do you think Jesus was? What do you think about Jesus of Ananias?

>>18071480
What if it is a Goddess? Frieren also has a Goddess in its religion.>>18070373

>>18071483
Jesus was an apocalypticist preacher who believed Heaven was coming in his lifetime. We're all here today, so suffice to say he was wrong. Still, he left us with some wonderful enlightening teachings and made his mark on history.

I'd consider myself agnostic, I guess? I think it's odd so many different societies came to the same monotheistic inclusion. Hinduism is a monotheistic religion at its roots that got distracted by idols. It's just not something I really concern myself with.

>>18071498
What I dislike about abrahamism is how totalitarian it is. We know the truth. It is written in our holy books/revealed by our prophets. If you don't believe in it you go forever to hell. This sounds like a very totalitarian state, 1984 style.
It also lead to sectarian violence and to a lot of splitting. They had problems with fitting the claim that Jesus was God or the son of God and this lead to a lot of heresies and excommunications. The major christian groups agreed upon the trinity but they couldn't explain how it works and this also lead to excommuncuations. Protestantism is very prone to splitting, the early church was also like that and also the modern catholic churhc and orthodox churchds tend to do it. It is often very stupid think like the filoque but I think the catholic-orthodox split is mostly political, a conflict between the pope and eastern rome and the debates about the filoque are just post hoc rationalizations. It is idiotic that some hardcore catholics tell the orthodox that they go to hell because they don't accept it and some hardcore orthodox do the same to the catholics because they accept it.
Islam's rejection of the divinity of Jesus and it accepting arianism is a result out of the sectarian conflicts of christianity. Maybe muhammad or whoever invented it thought that a strong monotheism would solve it. But then islam developed the same problems out of not knowing who the successor would be and in modernity it seems to split even more.

>>18071417
>I carry the teachings of Christ with me because I believe he was enlightened
If there's not God then everything is arbitrary chaotic chance, then how could some concept such as ''enlightened'' even exist if there's no God?

>>18071629
so who creat god for you if he has a body of human?

>>18071417
>jesus 100% existed
False
>nothing he ever said was transcribed
Jesus "spoke" through scripture so this is also false
>paul transcribed a bunch of conjecture and rumor after nearly 80 years of it being passed down
False, Paul says his only sources are scripture and revelations, he also joined the cult in the late 30s and his (authentic) letters are mostly from the 50s.
>different interpretations of his teachings were merged and many likely lost
True, even in the 80s there were Torah observant christians as is evidenced by Matthew.
>we know the book of john is horseshit and written later not by paul and its where all the resurrectionslop comes from
No one says Paul wrote John, what are you talking about? Also Paul clearly believed in a "ressurection" of sorts, but the idea of an empty tomb is not found anywhere in his epistles.

>>18070385
Why are you so enthusiastic about a morality which is arbitrated by a sadistic god?

>>18070780
>1
They were average guys. Most of the disciples were fisherman or local artisans before Jesus called them. Matthew was a Roman tax collector, which would put him at the bottom of the Jewish social ladder. Paul was an early convert after Jesus died, not part of the OG 12.
>2
No not like them because unlike the 12:
Muhammad became the leader of the Arabs & conquered Arabia. He wasn’t subject to the possibility of cruel punishment from a government because he WAS the government there. (There are also people that’d argue Muhammad never existed to begin with, but I’ll leave that to someone else).
Joseph Smith also became a powerful political leader in his own right. He attempted to establish a city of his followers in Illinois and other states before his follower base rapidly expanded to the West (that’s the origins of Utah). He became so powerful politically that the US government had to negotiate with him and his sect to not spread polygamy, and Smith ran for president in 1844.
The sources of danger for both are different from the 12 apostles because Muhammad and Joseph Smith accumulated lots of political power, making the danger to their lives from fear of enforcing that earthly power rather than spreading a faith.
A Jewish woman poisoned Muhammad to test if he was really a prophet or a pretender/earthly king since he subjugated her people and had family members executed by his regime. Joseph Smith was killed by a politically charged mob for declaring martial law in his Illinois city and destroying their printing press so they couldn’t criticize him, combined with his presidential aspirations.
The apostles wielded no such earthly power to enforce their will on others, but rather convinced people of what they believed peacefully by preaching and living meekly, to the point of getting regularly beaten and whipped for preaching in public. The substantial difference is the apostles didn’t use earthly power to coerce belief.

>>18070780
>3
We can confirm some and infer others. Paul and Peter were executed in the 60s, which most scholars agree upon from Paul’s letters, the Gospel of John, and the 2nd generation of Christians having strong traditions of them getting killed (the Church fathers testifying to this and the early Gnostic gospels assuming this as tradition). We also have their bones. James the brother of Jesus is recorded in Acts and Josephus’ Jewish Antiquities as being stoned to death.
Of course I know that there are many legendary stories about the apostles getting martyred, and I give you that. However, that doesn’t mean that they weren’t *likely* to have been martyred for their beliefs, from which the legends would crop up. Christian persecution was dangerous in the apostles’ lifetimes, as Emperor Nero ordered their persecution by falsely blaming them for the burning of Rome in 64. We know this from Tacitus and Suetonius, and Christian memory is strong about it, to the point of using Nero as an antichrist figure in the book of Revelation (c. 90). The number 666 (and variant 616) you hear about is the Hebrew gematria for the phrase NERO CAESAR, with the variant being a translation by the same principle but in the Latin equivalent. Given the gruesome depictions we have of Christians being killed and tortured at this time, and how so many seem to not renounce their faith and die, combined with the ring leaders Peter and Paul and lesser leader James being martyred makes it more likely that the others were more likely than not because there was massive and immediate risk to being a Christian, and the apostles in all literature we have of them were shown that they would endure preaching despite the dangers of continuing. There’s much better academic material on the subject than just listening from me though, so seek that out if you want more.

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There is archaeological evidence that crucified Jewish criminals could still receive proper burials. We know this because we found one with a nail still stuck in his heel. His name was Jehohanan. Jesus could as likely be laid in a tomb the same way after crucifixion.
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Things can indeed be distorted over several years, which is why this verse is important. Unlike the rest of Paul’s writing this is written as a creed, not just him writing normally. Creeds are designed to be memorized and recited, to be the summation of a group’s beliefs. The fact that this is even a creed shows that there was a concerted effort at organization within the early Church to codify what they believed. Also I possibly understated the case here, as depending on who you ask about this, the window of time could be much shorter than a few years, up to a few weeks at shortest. A few years is just the maximum timeframe I’ve seen.