>Most people were just poor peasants and proles before Soviet period who's ownership and borders changed with the winds from year to year until the Soviet period>Soviets spend much of the early-mid 20th century trying to develop national identities and national conscioussness among retarded peasants and workers who's cares don't extend beyond their field and church or factory because they knew borders could change tomorrow anyway and Nationalist identity was just a LARP for effete aristocrats to kill eachother and take lands over.>USSR collapses>AKSHUALLY BEFORE THE EVIL RUSSIAN SOVIET UNION WERE WERE ALL PURE ETHNOSTATES, WE WERE ALL RUSSIOFIED BY THE EVIL SOVIET RUSSIANS, OUR NATIONALIST IDENTITIES WERE REPRESSED NOOOOOOOOO >*look at 19th and early 20th century lithuania for example and more people in Lithuania spoke Yiddish, german and polish than Lithuanian lol*Why do Post-Soviet states do this when it's just fact that most of their national consciousness was developed by the Soviet Union? What's even more interesting is that this is really mostly a LARP of Ukraine and the Balts, rather than a LARP of say, Central Asian states or even Belarus who view the Soviet period in a far more neutral balanced fashion.Is it really just that hard for Ukraine and Balts to admit that the Soviet period was instrumental in the development of their national identity, public conscioussness and lived experience?I mean for fuck sake, the USSR was not even "Russian" in any real meaningful way. It was an entirely cosmopolitian and largely led by Ukrainians for most of it's history ffs. The person they most seethe over is the most Georgian man in existance.
>>18069382this is some next level russoid revisionjust because lithuania encompassed all of eastern europe at a point doesn't mean all of its inhabitants were considered ethnic lithuaniansespecially since some of them were racially distinct russian and jewish immigrantsbalts have always been distinct from their neighbours culturally and linguistically at least
all this retarded ad-hoc justification just to not admit the ussr was a colonial power. why couldn't you just leave us alone?
>>18069382>it's just fact that most of their national consciousness was developed by the Soviet UnioDeveloped? Perhaps. What we today understand as Israel was developed by American money. Do you think that makes Israel's identity appended to American identity? Not at all... it was just sponsorship.>the USSR was not even "Russian" in any real meaningful wayAahahahh besides being led by the exact same Moscowite power structures? >largely led by UkrainiansYes, Ukrainians who decided to starve millions of their countrymen while an average Russian barely noticing a deficit. Just say you gobbled up Soviet fairy tales and move on.>The person they most seethe over is the most Georgian man in existance.Ethnically? Perhaps. There really isn't such a thing as an "ethnic Russian" anymore so he was Russian too.
>>18069887>MoscowiteGood morning, Saar
>>18069899No idea what went on in your head when you wrote that.
>>18069872>Population of modern-day Lithuania directly in 1917>53,65% = Poles>43,50% = Jews>2,63% = Lithuanians>1,36% = BelarusiansLanguage of Modern day Lithuania in the early 20th century>2.1% = Lithuanian>30.8% = Polish>20.0% = Russian>40% = Yiddish Modern Lithuania was literally created by the Soviet Union. The USSR literally fucking deported 90% your entire fucking country to give Lithuanians their own space.
>>18070046N-no y-y-you
>>18069382Ukrainians, Poles, and Balts are Russians who became self-aware and got ashamed of being Russian. Unfortunately, it is not possible to change one's blood so they can only LARP as being Western
>>18070156None of these are trying to be "western" besides perhaps some Balts insisting that they're nordic. They're just making it clear that "Russian blood" is a meaningless quip that even Putin himself doesn't seem to fully believe.
>>18070156>and Balts are Russiansare you retarded
>>18069382The Ukrainian identity existed before the USSR and there were briefly-lived independent Ukrainian states before annexation by the USSRhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ukrainian_People%27s_Republichttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ukrainian_Statehttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/West_Ukrainian_People%27s_RepublicSame with Belarushttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Belarusian_Democratic_RepublicLithuania existed as an independent country before the USSR was a thing. They were also an independent state before the USSR annexed them in 1940https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kingdom_of_Lithuaniahttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grand_Duchy_of_LithuaniaFuck off Vatnik
>>18069382Balts have a richer history (and are richer) than Russhits
>>18070156not even the same racerussians are the result of mongrelization of volga finns and khazars
>>18069382soviet union just so happened to coincide with the general improvement of life on 20th century. In most cases, it only held these countries back - compared to their western neighbors.
>>18070046Violent conquest of a population so you can send them into internal exile in your vast frozen prison of an empire is not creating an identity beyond just giving them all a very legitimate reason to despise you. Why is this so hard to work out? Russia’s former subjects hate it for a reason. Not only was Russia a corrupt, brutal imperial tyrant be it as the Russian empire, or the Soviet Union, but modern Russians haven’t even been able to figure out why those who escape their orbit are so irked at them.
>>18070250Areas existing = / = National identity.Nationalist formation in Eastern Europe came about in mostly the interwar period."Ukrainian" identity was literally just Ruthenian Galicians in the very far west of the country. In a normal world they would have just been part of Poland.
Because their entire modern identity is based around some magical mythos where they were ultra-nationalist states on the level of Western Europe before they were cucked by Ruzzia.This identity isn't even particularly home grown, it's mostly from paperclipped Fascist exiles who lived in Canada who were massively supported institutionally by the Canadian and US Governments as "Governments in exile" and then returned during Glasnost/Early 1990s.More balts lived in NA than in the Baltics due to most of the Baltic intelligensia leaving for NA between late 19th century to 1929.Even before the "Ruzzian empire" the Native Balts were literally swamp dwellers enslaved to Ashkenazi and Szlachta and Germoids.>>18070800>In most cases, it only held these countries back - compared to their western neighbors.These countries just wouldn't even exist without the USSR.Balts and Western Ukraine would just have ended up gobbled up by Poland and Germany, Southern and Eastern Ukraine probably would have ended up as Novorossiya.
Because you can't get around the fact that Communism was an inferior system of economy and caused 4 decades of missing growth. I'm Lithuanian the Soviets helped us expel Poles, Jews, and others homogenizing our country was a great thing but you are wrong about there being no identity and it being a Soviet invention. Study history especially that of Lithuania.>look at 19th and early 20th century lithuania for example and more people in Lithuania spoke Yiddish, german and polish than Lithuanian lolThat's not because Lithuanians didn't exist, that's because Pooland treated Lithuanian as a garbage dump for the detritus of Europe.
>>18071230>Even before the "Ruzzian empire" the Native Balts were literally swamp dwellers enslaved to Ashkenazi and Szlachta and Germoids.Latvians and Estonians were, because they lost the Teutonic crusadesAs far as Szlachta the rates of the nobility were the highest in Lithuania and the Polish and Russian nobility was made up of Lithuanians disproportionately and this has never been disputed.>These countries just wouldn't even exist without the USSR.What happened after WW1 then where Latvia and Estonia defeated both the Red Army and the Freikorps for independence?
>>18070046>>Population of modern-day Lithuania directly in 1917doubt it, sauce iti seen similar number for some cities like vilno tho
