What was early Christianity like before they codified it and the general orthodox doctrinal stances got declared with things like the First Council of Nicaea? Mainly what I am asking is 1) is there anything that just seems weird now based from the perspective of what it did become (I know you have Gnostics), and 2) why exactly did X win out over Y?
>>18069942>why exactly did X win out over Y?This can only be answered from bias. A Christian will tell you "because God protected the Church", a secular scholar will tell you "because the socio-political power-structures tilted in that direction". They will both start naming dozens of ways in which they think this could have happened, but in the end the answer is an assertion about what method they like, not what actually happened. We will never know. Except that God protected the Church.
>>18069942Prior to the council of Nicaea, most Christians were Arian. Even Constantine the Great himself was sympathetic towards Arianism and was baptized by Eusebius the Arian
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>>18069942In the first century, there were essentially two movements. The first and original one, led by James the Just and the Twelve Apostles, was monotheistic and regarded Jesus as a fully human messiah, born of Joseph and Mary and taught that salvation was attained by keeping God’s commandments. The second was the breakaway movement of Paul which held Jesus to be a demigod born of a virgin and that salvation was obtained by believing in him.From the second century onward, numerous sects emerged as variations or mixtures of these two movements.
>>18070472>t.
>>18069952Except he didn’t, and we have facts and science to prove it.
>>18069942jews.
>>18069942It might be hard to believe, but it was even more jewish than it is now.
>>18069942You can look at the earliest documents like the Didache (not a theological text, but a very early document -older than the fall of the 2nd Temple - that shows Christian practice), the letters of Ignatius, Polycarp and Irenaeus. Ignatius and Polycarp were disciples of John the Apostle himself and Ignatius a disciple of Polycarp.So they knew their stuff>>18070472This is just a schizo theory without external evidence.
>>18070563Let's hear them, fact number one - what religion is the biggest today and ever?
>>18070611Islam
>>18070563If you study what happened in the last century, the Church has been protected. It is even remarkable.
>>18070619Oof, I thought your charts are 8 years old, turns out your copes belong to someone similarly aged.
>>18070624Yes very remarkable
>>18070627? How many cucklicks are there and how many of them are literal african villagers
>>18070632>african villagersLmao Africans are 49% Christian and 42% Muslim, if you want to discount them, feel free, but it won't help out Islam all that much.
>>18070640So maybe 500k Catholics in yurop and another 500k in the favelas praying to Santa muerte and kissing statues… either way yah way less than Islam rofl
>>18070644>scienceClearly.
>>18070650Yes, we have objective science on our side. You guys all seem to worship different gods based on your fee fees. This is where science could help you all come to a universal consensus but that would require you to critically analyze the history of abrahamism and its use as a sociopolitical control mechanism
It was based and schizo
>>18070644>maybe 500k Catholics in yurop>either way yah>>>>"objective science"No doubts in my mind.
>>18070629Yes. Extremely remarkable. We had many men as incompetent and unserious as the one in your picture in our hierarchy for decades. Some were so bad that they expelled from seminaries men who prayed too much or who agreed to Church teaching. We had some that wanted to destroy Mariology in order to pander to liberal Lutheran. And no matter how hard those people tried to destroy the Church and turn it into another secular NGO, they failed at doing it. They failed at changing Church teaching. They failed at destroying rosary devotion. And now the Church is growing again, despite their efforts.
>>18070660Someone hasn't studied philosophy of science.
>>18070664285k in yurop, 600k in americas, 200k in Asia so yeah I was close, hilarious I overestimated how many white people were Catholics it’s literally all brown people
>>18070677>we have objective science on our side>[googles facts 5 posts into an exchange]>[Africans don't count, such as Moses]Cool.
>>180699421. Baptist Christianity is what is taught in the New Testament.2. There have been perversions of Christianity since day one.3. Catholicism (yes, that include Orthodoxy) came much later and have little to do with the Bible. Think "paganism with Christian window dressing".
>>18070695You just said that if we include Africans it would be even more advantageous for Islam? lol I suspect you really actually are third world, you seem to have trouble with English and logic and you worship a third world slave god
>>18070712No, I said something quite different.>you seem to have trouble with English and logic
>>18070666Have fun burning.
>>18070747Tick tock :)
Nicea was guaranteed to win eventually because its the ceiling claim you can make exalting jesus. Until then no matter you chrstilogy some other dude can come along and make a more exalted claim and everyone goes wow so wise. First god gets power creeped to the ceiling in judaism and that becomes orthodox then the same thing happens to jesus. Its the same reason goku gets stronger every season of DBZ, theres power creep in all anthologies
>>18070756Enjoy Hell.
>>18070771Tick tock ;)
>>18070756>Its the same reason goku gets stronger every season of DBZ,
>>18070747>>18070750>>18070771>>18070773Stop pretending you're me. The flames just got even hotter.
>>18070778Tick tock :)
>>18070778>>18070779*yawn* Get a life, loser.
>>18070782>>18070779STOP IT
>>18070775It is tho. No new preacher can show up and say jesus is actually less exalted than everyone says and gain a following. All those groups stayed tiny like the essennes. Same thing happened with mohammad in islam and the jeet dieties in hinduism. The cool guy gets stornger and cooler each editiion till he hits some ceiling and theres nowhere left to go from there. You cant make a more exalted claim about jesus than nicea but that didnt stop mystics from trying so they could be somewhat relevant
