Were native americans doomed from the start? Even if european colonization had never happened. Someone from the old world discover the americas at some point and even limited contact would've caused them to be infected by disease which they had no resistance to so unless they somehow managed to remain isolated for the rest of eternity their fate was inevitable.
>>18073617The smallpox crap is fake.
Basically everything in biology, the smallpox crap, aids, vax, all that is complete bullshit and all of you are tards and promote all of them daily.
The Aztecs were 100,000 square miles. At a decent density that's 2 million people. Simple explanation is that 2 million was always there. All of the massive numbers in your chart are a set of backwards extrapolate of assumed death rate. Even if those death rates are correct scientists are retarded. It's possible a disease can kill 90% of people but that falls on the 90% who don't reproduce or die anyway so population only falls 10%. Basically everything in these population graphs is a troll extrapolation and even extreme death rates are compatible with no change if they fall on NPCs.
>>18073617Why didn't the natives carry diseases that the Conquistadors weren't immune against?
>>18073672What do you think syphilis is?
>>18073672>>18073774Both of you are wrong. America had buffalo pox and lots of equivalent diseases. America had a wide range of diseases and since obviously the immigrating group would die more all of the smallpox crap is retarded and everything in ggs is retarded. His is retarded so nothing will stop it's belief that six million died of smallpox.
>>18073617huge death tolls only came after conflict and enslavementdon't buy the lies that Amazonian civilizations collapsed without ever having contact with Europeans, the Portuguese record killing 500k natives in the 1640s. Of course this number is an exaggeration but it represents the huge quantity of the people they met and the Amazon basin was still densely populated by the time the Portuguese got there
>>18073617They hate white people so much bet if the Chinks or Muslims had found them first they’d think we were angels in comparison
>>18073617no, because their decedents are still around. the "where did they go" is the fact that they're all larping as iberianiggers for some reason>all the cool architecturegone>independent literary rhetorical and artistic traditionsgone, no continuationThey are now poor. Something about iberianiggers kicking them while they were down idk, but these things would have survived even apocalyptic levels of plague and disease. Things were not fated to be this way
>>18073617>not posting the best article name ever
>>18073617If the vikings weren't pussies and had expanded more into America the diseases could have spread there slowly and the Natives would have gained immunity by Columbus.>>18073920Why don't you die of buffalo pox then?
>>18075263no, because Vikings washed themselves not like stinky Spaniards
>>18073774Fucking retard, it doesn't exist. Bet you think the world is round too.
>>18073617the plagues was unleashed by aliens
>>18073617>Were native americans doomed from the start?I guess
>>18073617*sigh*.... so sad to see people gobbling up the fake history they teach us in school
I think it was baked in when old world livestock were brought over ensuring eventual contact with their diseases
>>18073617How reliable is this data?
The death rate from Eurasian diseases were exacerbated by the political instability and disruption caused by Spanish conquests and colonial efforts, see:https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2011/05/110519091637.htmIf you had pathogen exchange, but slower and over a longer period of time without the warfare and colonization to go with it, it would give more time for resistances to build without as steep a population collapse. But how much a difference that would make, we don't know>>18073646There's pretty much no reasonable estimate by which the Aztec Empire only had 2 million people, that would mean Mesoamerica as a whole only had like 6-8 millionish people, no Mesoamericanist within like the last 70 years had taken estimates that low seriously. The Aztec Empire probably had like 4-8 million people, and while 10, 12 etc million is unlikely for them, it's way more likely then 2-3 million would be>>18076926It's a higher end estimate, and it misunderstands how "Mexico" is defined in the sources it's going off of with Borah, Cook, etc, but it's not an unreasonable one (EX: a recent paper estimated that Classic Maya civilization had 16m people in just a portion of it, not even all Mayas total or all of Mesoamerica at the time)A safer bet would be like 16-18 million people at contact, but 22m is still plausible.
>>18074995we wuz advanced civilizations n shieet.
>>18076987The disease deaths are obviously compeltley fake and never occurred.
