Why are democracy and liberty considered positive things?If anything, They are the main cause of the decline of the west.
Why are dutch tranime posters gay and retarded?
>>18074071>democracyAs someone who has until recently despised democracy - it is considered a positive thing because it aligns the populus' interests with the leadership interests. In monarchy, oligarchy etc. the interests of the leader are to keep the aristocrats/oligarchs from amassing too much power or hatred for him. In a democracy, such considerations have to be made of entire chunks of the population, not just the top 1%. This is a significant improvement, though naturally democracies have ways to go.>libertyLiberty is what allows for determination (aka us being particular nations at all) and practice of virtue. Forced virtuous actions are not virtue.>main cause of the decline of the WestThat cause would be our embrace of reductionist ideologies like materialism, logical positivism, fascism and Marxism.
>>18074071>the West is everyone being slaves to the church and to King Faggot the 26thThe Enlightenment was the best thing that ever happened in the West.
Democracy just means the people have some sort of say in whatever system they belong in. Inherently every government ever created is democratic.
wherther democracy is good or not is besides the point because we dont actually have that(in athens you could vote to execute politicians for fun)as for liberty, liberty is usually good but that's also irrelevant because we don't have liberty either. check debanking, speech laws etc.
>>18074071Democracy and liberty are why you can even post this retarded post without getting disappeared by the government. The decline you see is called freedom. It is better than living like a serf under some dictator boot.
>>18075031Ok boomer why shouldn't isn't that a good thing.
>>18074071They are symptoms, not causes
>>18074071grow up
>>18074071do you think you would be able to make stupid anime girl shitposts under communism?
>>18075031It's better for you to be wealthy but you have to keep your mouth shut so you can enjoy your wealth, then to be "free" but destitute and not have a single penny to your name. The freedom to say what you want is meaningless if you are a beggar on the streets or an Amazon worker working 14 hour shifts and not being allowed a pee break.
People think democracy is the self-determination of every person but in fact it's just uaed to vote yourselves onto another's wallet. Until the line is drawn at the individual level democracy is mob rule, not liberty.
>>18075145Why would dictator make you wealthy just because you keep your mouth shut? He'll stole your money and murder you if you complain. There is a reason why most rich countries are democracies.
>>18075031I think most anons fail to realize that feudalism is essentially what the Mexican cartels do today (private wars amongst the different nobleman is literally the exact same as the cartel wars). In fact the law of reality is that the strongest and most violent conquer. For some reason the anons here also believe that if they lived in the past they would be a noble or royal and not a serf or slave like the supermajority of the population. The past was a horrible place to live if you werent violent.
>>18075187What if I have violent school shooter thoughts in my brain? Surely I would be a great conqueror and not a mere peasant. If only I were born in non-cucked times.
>>18074071‘Zellig mentioned
>>18075190Guns were one of the reason why we moved to more egalitarian ideas though. It scared the upperclass shitless when a peasant with a few days training with a musket could kill a wealthy landowning knight. Before firearms you physically had to be stronger, guns allowed anyone to protect themselves.
>>18074071>A great deal of democratic enthusiasm descends from people like Rousseau, who believed in democracy because they thought mankind so wise and good that everyone deserved a share in the government. The danger of defending democracy on those grounds is that they are not true...I do not deserve a share in governing a hen-roost much less a nation. Nor do most people...The real reason for democracy is just the reverse. Mankind is so fallen that no man can be trusted with unchecked power over his fellows. Aristotle said that some people were only fit to be slaves. I do not contradict him. But I reject slavery because I see no men fit to be masters.C. S. Lewis
>>18075157Both a wealthy high class as well as a middle class exist in dictatorships. If you have a prestigious position, such as let's say a doctor, you will have a living standard higher than the average person. And you won't want to sacrifice that for a promise of "freedom" that never materializes. My family was better off materially during communism. The fact that we couldn't openly criticize the party didn't make any difference to our daily lives. Now after the liberalization of the economy, and the implementation of democracy and freedom, I am much poorer than before. Oh don't worry, I have to constantly worry if I'll lose my job and then my apartment if I don't work like a serf, but at least I can shittalk the government on Facebook and the secret police won't arrest me.
>>18074071>declinefor whom?
>>18075255> My family was better off materially during communism.Of course they were. Your dad was probably a Stasi-dog or some party apparatchik, maybe military dude who got paid from soviety military budget... Basically lived in a big apartment while good people stood in bread lines. So... Didn't need free speech when you were the one holding the leash and getting the extra sausage. And then the wall fell and suddenly your family had to actually compete instead of being carried by party connections, and now you think that is unfair.
>>18075284Sorry but he was a minor clerk in the import/export division of a state textile plant. He literally had 0 political power. And my mother was a schoolteacher.
>>18075204Killing someone with a spear really doesn't take that much strength, a woman or child could do it.>>18075157This may be reversing cause and effect. Dictatorships simply form more easily around economies with low diversification. It centralizes power and makes nepotism easier.>>18075031Democracy is good. It's just ruined by too much diversity because you become competing blocs of ethnic interests like Malaysia
>>18075284I can assure you, people who were carried by connections then are still carried by connections now. My grandpa was military and my other grandpa was an "apparatchik", and we are still very well off. The people that got fucked over the most were those already at the bottom of society, but acknowledging that would be inconvenient for democrats.
>>18075055>>18075058>"cOmMuNiSm iS wHeN nO dEmOcRaCy">false dichotomySee, this is why we hate you boomers. You're still stuck in the fucking cold war
>>18074097>it is considered a positive thing because it aligns the populus' interests with the leadership interestsThat's odd, it seem that the leadership always do the same thing no matter who it is you elect and it's never in the best interest of the people. >>18075031This post would have made him disapear if he was in the UK.
>>18075779do you think you would be able to make stupid anime girl shitposts under a non-capitalist government?
>>18074071Shut up cunt.
>>18075297So which one was taking bribes then?>>18075491Oh, so the offer is a person can be poor and tell you you’re a prick, or poor and go to prison for calling a state official a mean name?
>They are the main cause of the decline of the west.democracy and liberty were fine until the 1960s, the amish do just fine under it even today, the real cause is decadence caused by modern luxury and convenience, we can't handle it without becoming degenerates apparently and need to set limits
>>18075033>ESL spic socialist>>18075145>scarcity and labor didn't exist before capitalism>>18075792>NOOO you failed my ideological purity spiral even though you're elected to represent the varying wills of millions of loosely associated opinionsThe opponents of democracy, everyone.
>>18074071Democracy is not real
>>18074071Its funny how those things can only usually exist with the existence of white people....hmmm
