C'mon, we know the bible is bullshit. It's a fairytale. And don't get me wrong, there are good and universal themes in the book, but it's far from a history book. It's also much much more recent than we think.So, who created it and why?The earliest I know of Zionism is from the Persian Empire, when one of the kings (Cyrus?) sent settlers west to colonize what was essentially barren, empty landscape. Presumably, these guys could have stayed on the western frontier, then to Spain, then to the Netherlands and the new world, then to America.I'm open to other timelines. You could say that the Jews are just the people that Persians opposed, but that would be believing the books too much. There was nothing there, and the books aren't until AFTER the Persians came. If you're familiar with how Salman the Persian (ironic) got in the ear of Muhammad and got him to create Islam to inspire Arabs to take out a rival Parthian faction, then you could actually imagine about the same thing with some other Persian dude getting in the head of locals and composing a book for them that simultaneously makes them full of themselves and willing servants of this empire (actually from Persia in its prior iteration). So while technically you could say the "average Jew" could be native to Judea, the "elite Jew" and the people who created Judea are Persian. Both of these classes would have gone west and become part Sephardic, but the royal/elite branch would have stayed (somewhat) separated.
>>18076376>Who created the Jews?Jesus correctly identified them as children of their devil. But what he meant by that is they owe him their allegiance. Problem is, most don't rightly understand what a devil is, as compared to Satan, or lucifer. A lot of the Word presupposes literacy with respect to certain underlying definitions.
>>18076376Archeological evidence shows that Exodus never happened and instead of the Israelites conquering Canaan, the Israelites were just another Canaanite tribe that eventually became the dominant one. The earliest reference to “Israel” is the Merneptah stele around the 13th century BC which lists “Israel” as one of the many Canaanite tribes the Egyptians subdued around that time. Hebrew itself is literally a Canaanite language no different from Phoenician or Moabite. Due to how similar they are, I'd argue that they're not even separate languages but rather all dialects of one language.The ancient Israelites were polytheistic and later henotheistic. Yahwism (aka proto-Judaism) evolved out of Canaanite paganism. Yahweh was originally a Canaanite storm god that eventually got elevated by the Israelites as the supreme deity and was syncretized with another deity called “El” (this is also why Yahweh is sometimes called “Elohim” as “Elohim” deprives from “El”. This is also where the name “Israel” comes from as “Israel” literally means “rule of El”). Yahweh even had a consort named Asherah. The Israelites only actually became monotheistic after returning from exile in Babylon, which is interestingly around the same time they made contact with the monotheistic Zoroastrians.
>>18076376God did since he created everything.
>>18076390Exodus is just a political retelling of the Egyptian events around the Minoan eruption (1600 BC), as described on the Tempest Stelle.There's no point in going back that far if we can't even find Jews in 700 BC.>>18076384Devil = Demon, physical urgeSatan = EgoLucifer = Creative sparkThat just says what they were like though. Not where they were from.
>>18076392I said no fairytales.
>>18076403>Devil = Demon, physical urgeNope>Satan = EgoNope>Lucifer = Creative sparkNope
>>18076376They are a faction of canaanites that ran away and create the tanakh and the new testament, presumably to avoid Rome wiping them out during the Punic wars.
>>18076390One thing that I think should always be made clear is that "Phoenician" is what Greeks called the group that called themselves Canaanites. So, whenever we hear of a Phoenician merchant colony, that is a Canaanite merchant colony.Secondly, we could take them at their word that they migrated out of Egypt, as they were essentially native Egyptians or pan-Mediterraneans before 1600 BC. In that same period, you have the Hyksos coming from the north, who may have been Indo-European, and kicking them out of power. That actually kind of makes sense that it becomes a big part of their identity after that. So much so that it could have inspired their leading of the Sea Peoples invasions later on.In other words, the diaspora of Jews in Spain that become the Sephardics are just Phoenicians. This means that the Jewish-Roman Wars of 70-130 AD are kind of a continuation of the Punic Wars of a few hundred years prior. >>18076431I was just getting to this. It is said that some of the wealthiest "latifunda" in Rome were foreign, and I believe some where Jewish. Makes me wonder if they were Phoenician or even potentially Carthaginian (imagine a few elite of Carthage escaped before it was burned to the ground).
>>18076376The worshippers of Ditanu/Ninurta.
>>18076436>This means that the Jewish-Roman Wars of 70-130 AD are kind of a continuation of the Punic Wars of a few hundred years prior.According to this timeline, however, the remaining elite Carthaginians would already be in Rome by the time of 70 AD, meaning if those Carthaginians were influential at all about expanding eastward into Judea, then those Carthaginians (who speak essentially Hebrew, since Punic and Hebrew and Phoenicians are more or less the same) would essentially have been ordering the submission and death of their genetic and linguistic relatives.The revolution in Judea, started by the historical Christ (probably Judas of Gamala, who is the father of Izates of Adiabene, who is the replacement that Rome put into the story), was essentially a Phoenician tribe opposing a global Carthaginian/elite world order.The real implication here is that the Roman Empire was an intelligence operation by Phoenician elite. The same Phoenician elite who moved the capital back to Anatolia.
>>18076456>Eannatum (Sumerian: 𒂍𒀭𒈾𒁺 É.AN.NA-tum2; fl. c. 2450 BC) was a Sumerian ensi (ruler or king) of Lagash. He established one of the first verifiable empires in history, subjugating Elam and destroying the city of Susa, and extending his rule over the rest of Sumer and Akkad>An inscription found on a stone states that Eannatum was his Sumerian name, while his "Tidnu" (Amorite) name was Lumma. On this basis, it has been suggested that Eannatum may have been of Amorite origin (see Poebel, PBS 4/I, p. 166 with footnote 2; IJ Gelb, “The Double Names of the Hittite Kings”, RO 17 [1951-52], p. 152; Edzard, ZZB, p. 9 footnote 39; M. Civil, “Un nouveau synchronisme Mari-IIIe dynasty of Einfall der Gutäer (ca. 2200/2136)”, AcAnt 22 [1974], p. 219 with footnote 132; id., “Eine verkannte Überlieferungslücke in der sumerischen Königslisten”, OrNS 48 [1979], p. 8; B. Kienast apud Selz, Untersuchungen, p. 172; and G. Pettinato, I re di Sumer: I. Iscrizioni reali presargoniche della Mesopotamia, Brescia 2003, p. 157 with footnote 4)The Amorites were a Semitic people originating from Syria who founded prominent kingdoms/empires in already existing city-states in Mesopotamia and the Levant, such as Isin, Larsa, Mari, Ebla, Hazor, Shechem, Hebron, Gezer, Jerusalem, Lachish, Arad, Dor, and Babylon, with the famous Old Babylonian Empire under the Amorite dynasty of Hammurabi, which was the first to unify Mesopotamia. They were also the 15th dynasty of Egypt (Hyksos), characterized by rulers with Amorite names such as Meruserre Yaqub-Har. The term Martu/Amurru in Sumerian and Akkadian texts refers to the Amorites, their main deity, and an Amorite kingdom. Assyrian king lists record the Hyksos pharaoh Khyan/Hayanu as a "remote ancestor" of King Shamshi-Adad I of Assyria, and is probably the Pharaoh of Abraham, known in rabbinic tradition as Rikayon.
>>18076376Jews were Canaanites who split off due to their focus on one specific god with henotheistic worship that later turned into monotheism.
>>18076466>Tidnu appears already in Mesopotamian inscriptions from the late third millennium BC as an epithet for an Amorite group or toponym within the Amorite sphere. In the Assyrian king list and the king list of the dynasty of Hammurabi (BM 80328), Didanu or Ditanu appears as the name of one of the first Amorite kings associated with the cult of the aurochs. In Ugaritic, the word ddn/dtn became a collective noun for the first kings who had departed this world. In a funeral liturgy for the dead king (KTU3 1.161 9-10) and in the Legend of Kirta (KTU3 1.15 III 2-4, 13-15), the phrase "Council (qbṣ) of Ddn" is found parallel to the expression "Rephaim of the Underworld" (rp ̓i ̓arṣ). These discoveries reveal how this name evolved from an ancient people in the Amorite sphere to the name of one of the royal progenitors of the West Semitic dynasties, while in Ugaritic it became a general name corresponding to the Hebrew phrase "Rephaim of the Underworld," used to refer to dead kings who inhabited the underworld>The main temple of the state of Lagash was the E-ninnu at Girsu, dedicated to the god Ningirsu. The state of Lagash incorporated the ancient cities of Lagash, Girsu, and Nina>The main rulers of the Sumerian city-state of Lagash included Ur-Nanshe, the founder of the dynasty; his son Eannatum, who achieved military dominance; Entemena, known for border disputes; Enannatum II; and Enentarzi, a minor ruler. The dynasty ended with Lugalanda and the reformer Urukagina, before the rise of the famous Gudea>The cult of Ninurta can be traced back to the oldest period of Sumerian history. In the inscriptions found at Lagash he appears under his name Ningirsu, "the lord of Girsu", Girsu being the name of a city where he was considered the patron deity. In the astrotheology system Ninurta was associated with the planet Saturn, or perhaps as offspring or an aspect of Saturn
>>18076491>In his capacity as a farmer-god, there are similarities between Ninurta and the Greek Titan Cronus, whom the Romans in turn identified with their Titan Saturn. Ninurta is associated with stars like Sirius (Sukudu meaning arrow) and Canismaior (qastu meaning bow). Ninurta is also identified with the star Sagittarius, which is the ninth sign of the Zodiac which is represented by a drawn bow and arrow and/or with a centaur using it. Thus a star of Saturn (Ninurta) is being fired>"You also carried along Sikkuth your king (Moloch) and Kiyyun, your images, the star of your gods which you made for yourselves." Amos 5:26>Sikkuth is identified with Sag/k.kud/t (transliterated in a Mesopotamian god list as Sa-ak-ku-ut!), an astral deity known also from the "An" god list found at Ugarit (originally from Nippurian and other Mesopotamian sources, see Weidner, in bibl.), where it appears as [d]sag/k.k[ud]/t = [d]s[a]g/k.kud/t (Ugaritica, 5 (1969), 214, line 44). In other "non-Western" lists of gods and stars, Sikkuth has recently been identified with Ninurta>Kiyyun seems to be the Aramaic for the Akkadian god Kajamanu and the Assyrian Ka-ai-va-nu. Kajamānu or Kayyamanu (Akkadian: 𒅗𒀀𒀀𒈠𒉡 ka-a-a-ma-nu "the constant") or Uduimin-saĝuš (Sumerian: 𒀯𒇻𒅂𒊕𒍑 MULUDU.IMIN-saĝ-uš, "star of the sun") is the ancient Mesopotamian name for the planet Saturn. In ancient Mesopotamia, he was also regarded as the "star of Ninurta," the Mesopotamian fertility deity>The earliest historical notices respecting Jerusalem come from the El-Amarna tablets. Before the fifteenth century B.C. Babylonian influences must have been present. There was a city called "Bit-Šulmānu" (Temple of the God Ninurta) in the "district of Jerusalem "(Letter 180, 25)
>>18076436>I believe some where Jewish. Makes me wonder if they were Phoenician or even potentially CarthaginianYeah I agree. They're more or less the same people anyway. The Romans called the Carthaginians "Punics", in reference to the Phoenicians.
>>18076523What does Zeus represent in contrast to Cronus? To me, they do similar things while ruling (Zeus punishes Prometheus), but clearly Zeus was a revolutionary at one point too. So what gives?
found this in the archive:>They are the eternal fall guys for the Cabal who are also semites who have their origin in Carthage rather than the Levant. Unlike Jews they have been shown through archaeology to do all the things attributed to the elites, from child sacrifice to blood rituals and the worship of Caananite gods. After the fall of Carthage, they became the West's eternal enemies, another pattern which does not match up with the jews since they have far fewer reasons to despise the West in general than the Carthaginians who's home and whole way of life was utterly eradicated by Rome. Anyway it's a pretty simple. Anytime the cabal get found out they would blame a bunch of normal jews, specifically those with no relation to them. Then they use their resources and disconnected mercantile wealth to just move elsewhere while the anger they stoked boils over on the poorer Levantine jews. This chain of events has repeated itself through history innumerable times with the crimes attributed to the jews exactly mirroring those attributed to the elite cabal in modern times. Yet no one puts it together because everyone believes Carthage is gone. You could not kill Carthage the way Rome tried to. Salt the earth? lol. Their wealth was not in farming like the Romans but in a disconnected web of trade partners/relationships. Some of the elite of Carthage would have survived and they would have done the obvious thing, pretend to be Hebrews because what Roman could tell the fucking difference between a jew and a Phoenician?>tl;dr jews are perennial fall guy for an elite and shadowy cabal of child killers who have their origin in Carthage. they are also semitic in ancestry hence the confusion/conflation
>>18076886>they do similar things while rulingNTA, but absolutely not.Zeus enforces order (sacrificing the past for the present and future). Kronos is disorderly (eating the future to sustain the present). Prometheus is punished for upsetting the order.
>>18076376Enjoy Hell, freak.
>>18076376>what is 1+1? I know that 2 is bullshit.
>>18077131>Zeus enforces order (sacrificing the past for the present and future). Kronos is disorderly (eating the future to sustain the present).Interesting. Where do you get this from?
>>18077150My galactic scale cerebrvm amidst the kaoskampf.But in all seriousness I don't have some scholar's quote or anything, I just read the myths. Zeus (and more broadly, the Dyeus Pater of all Indo-Europeans) simply is the celestial order.
>>18076376>C'mon, we know the bible is bullshitThat's what they want you to think. A spiritually dead individual is the easiest to manipulate.Here's a quick cheat sheet if you ever want to know the truthHebrews = The descendants of Jacob's (Israel) 12 sons which includes Judah and they all believed and obeyed the oral law passed through generations since Abraham later on this would be written in the TorahJews (Old Testament) = Descendant's of JudahPharisees = The religious leaders of Jerusalem that were criticized by Jesus for putting the word of rabbis over the word of God among other perversions of the Hebrew faith and law.After Jesus and the Second temple fell:Jews (Rabbinic) = Rabbinic Jews that are followers of pharisee theology, they still have the Tanakh but it's superseeded by the Talmud; oral law written by no prophets but influential rabbisAshkenazi Jews = Mostly descendants of eastern european converts that gained a lot of wealth during the 8th to 10th centuries. They have mostly nothing to do with the blood of Abraham but claim they have a birthright. Most of them think this because of years of Zionist brainwashing but in their mind they still worship God.Zionists = Leaders of most modern Jews. They know they worship the devil and announce it through kabbalistic methods like the "Star of David" to avoid divine retribution. They believe Abraham's covenant binds God to forgive them and accept them in heaven as long as they do their rituals and they believe Satan gives them the knowledge required to exploit God.
>>18077546>be archaeologist>dig around Sinai for decades>find literally zero evidence of millions of Israelites wandering for 40 years>Exodus not even once>read about Jericho walls falling from trumpet blast>actually check Jericho>city was already destroyed centuries before Joshua would’ve arrived>bible cope intensifies>open Bible>David and Solomon had giga-kingdom with gold, palaces, empire vibes>check archaeological record>barely find a few huts and broken pottery>“unified monarchy” my ass>see Philistines mentioned in Abraham’s time>they didn’t even exist yet>bible.exe has stopped working>global flood with Noah and zoo boat>geology and archaeology: “nah bro, never happened”>no flood layers, no mass extinction, no ark debris>boat story just vibes>look up ancient records from Egypt, Assyria, Babylon>expect epic Bible battles and plagues>records: “who?”>Bible getting ghosted by history>dig in Canaan>expect foreign Israelite invaders>instead find Canaanites slowly evolving into Israelites>“conquest of Canaan” was just a rebrand>analyze Hebrew texts>turns out most were written centuries after events they describe>tfw your holy book is historical fanfic
>>18076886He >>18077131 is right. Saturn is all about stability and scapegoat. In chaotic times stability can be nice but also leads stagnation and death in the end. With child sacrifices you give up future potential (literally) to continue living in the past. That's why he was the god of agriculture. During the Neolithic Revolution a dependency on land agriculture fucked up society as well. It resulted in a limited diet, which in turn led to poorer health for the average person, a decrease in height and strength (manlets) and susceptibility to new diseases (all archaeologically proven). Nonetheless, populations grew rapidly, because people ate and shagged which is all you need. Population density increased, leading to social strife and more disease. When populations grew too big, demographics were culled though ritual warfare and human sacrifice. When there were labor shortages, kinsmen or neighbors were enslaved. By this point there was no way out. The multi-disciplinary approach of the hunter-gatherer way was replaced by labor specialisation. People lost skills and became dependent on civilisation. Self-sufficiency was lost. Sound familiar? Yet, after 8 millennia, here we are.>The sacrifices made to Moloch appear rather uncommon, though also exclusive to oligarchic families of Carthage, including a few other regions such as Tyre or Palestine where the deity was worshipped too. That these families cheated the system by raising other peoples children for this purpose, is illustrative of a common tradition found throughout Canaanite culture, which was a temporary inversion of cultural norms like the Saturnalia to facilitate substitution sacrifice. The Carthaginians substituted their children with others, they would raise as their own for this purpose. The Babylonians substituted their King for another, who would be given all the kingly privileges for a period of celebration leading up to their death
>>18077840>This idea of role inversion, perhaps originated from an issue which arose when religious governance evolved to embodied the actual god within a man, creating a man-god, which is simply just a King who rules through divine authority. The problem here being that gods are meant to be immortal, and men are not. As previously mentioned, the earliest male deity was that of the Sun, which represented a dying god that had to be resurrected. Once the dying god was given the image of a man, the dying god started to be resurrected through a practise known as the killing of the king. This was the ritual killing of a king so that the god they embodied could be resurrected in a younger host. Since the dying god represented virility and strength, once this god became embodied within a man, that man needed be virile and strong. And who else would have more potential for this than a baby/child?>Depending on the culture, signs of ageing were indications to the various religious authorities it was time for a new host. Over time a loophole was worked in to preserve the stability of a King’s reign, whereby the king would periodically relinquish their role, perhaps annually, during which time their privileges and duties would be transferred to another, who would be sacrificed instead, and the dying god would then be resurrected in the king who had temporarily relinquished their rulehttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Substitute_king_ritual
>>18077840>>18077846Agriculture, in addition to causing a decline in size, bone density, dental health, robust, ect... Also created Homosexuality and Masturbation are coping mechanisms that mammals use to deal with extreme stress and trauma.>Masturbation and homosexuality absent in primitive hunter gatherer tribeshttps://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2012/12/where-masturbation-and-homosexuality-do-not-exist/265849/Humans form selective relationships. In a so called "natural" for lack of better term, state, akin to the humans of the paleolithic, the default sexual state is monogamy, with an addictional polygamy without commitment only towards members of enemy tribes (aka slavery and rape). During the Neolithic Revolution only 1 man every 17 women reproduced, but during the paleolithic the ratio was nearly 1/1. The neolithic revolution was characterized by:>overpopulation>huge scale wars>scarcity of resourcesThis lead to the development of overcrowded villages, akin to modern day favelas subjected to strict tyrannical rule of warlords who controlled the means of (food) production, causing mental problems and degenerative coping behaviour such as homosexuality and masturbation. Wolves exhibit the alpha/beta hierarchy only in captivity, in nature the leader of the pack is the oldest member of the family (with males being more important in the hierarchy than females).>The great sculpture of iron and bronze was in place, the Canaanites had prepared the space where the ritual would begin. Some Israelite women had already arrived and had children in their laps for the sacrifice, several strong and muscular men wore light and thin clothes and were around the great statue, they were men who danced and beat drums during the feast to the god Moloch. That great statue had a cavity in its belly in a hexagonal shape, representing the god Moloch
>>18077856>The priests reached the height of the cavity using a stone staircase that gave access to a large statue in the shape of a bull>It was a frightening statue, in the cult there were children, young people, men and women, it was a large space next to the desert, the women collected the wood and took it in procession to be thrown inside that bronze monster. There was a great metal star, formed by two interposed triangles, which was already beginning to glow before the flames of the great furnace in the cavity of the god. There were stone tables and a lot of wine available, it didn't take long the whole place was filled with people coming from all over. Until a priest in long white clothes began babbling words to the god. Drums began to sound and the flames in the statue's great cavity stirred in high flames as if being stoked by a supernatural force. Then began a frenetic movement, people who seemed in a trance articulated words of great euphoria. Everyone began to drink and seemed intoxicated by the sound of drums and the movement of half-naked men in light flowing clothes. Until the priest went up the steps to deliver a child to the god to which a woman had given him, he approached the cavity, it was difficult to get very close, it was a great furnace that burned in the face. Then he uttered some words that infected the worshipers of the god Moloch>"Receive, Oh Moloch, this offering, and pour out of your power this night!">That child was crying, but her cry was barely audible in the face of all that euphoria, so she was thrown into the cavity and soon her cry was drowned out by the crackling of the flames that quickly devoured the offering. The drunkenness of the wine and the mad euphoria took over the worship of the god, soon the orgies before the god began, men and women were raped by those male prostitute priests. They were deflowered before the animal god, intoxicated by the ecstasy of the wine and the burning flames of the furnace
>>18077860>They also tattooed themselves with burning iron objects that were used to make marks on their bodies. There were also men who castrated themselves, cut off their penises without seeming to feel any pain and then threw them into the flames saying "Receive Moloch!". Then these men were deflowered by other men there between the great stone stairs that led to the god at the top. Not all castrated themselves, some just burned in lust with other men. Men who were prostitute priests, they had big sexual organs like donkeys and ended their sexual acts by filling silver cups with their abundant semen. They were poured into the bowels of those women or were taken mixed with wine by men or women. Behold the nectar of the gods they said!>Some women were deflowered by animals in heat, they kissed and committed lewdness with animals and they entered them, there were others who danced half-naked with snakes around their body or crawled as if they had been taken by a serpent spirit. That night five children were thrown into Moloch, and the service lasted until dawn, that whole place in the middle of the desert was filled with a smell of sin and orgy, smoke of animal fat with human skin burned in the fire
>>18077840>>18077856>>18077860>>18077870Authors such as Macrobius (Saturnalia) and Livy report that, in very ancient times, the cult of Saturn included human sacrifices, especially of prisoners of war. According to these accounts, the practice was inherited from the Etruscans or archaic Italic peoples. Human sacrifice symbolized "feeding" the deity so that it would not consume the crops or destroy the agricultural cycle. In times of crisis (wars, plagues, or poor harvests), there were rumors that Rome once again resorted to this type of offering. Livy mentions that in 216 BC, during the Second Punic War, Rome buried alive a Greek couple and a Gaulish couple in the Forum Boarium, in an underground ritual to Saturn and other chthonic gods, asking for protection against Hannibal.>Interesting ancient artifacts>What: Tomb of the Bulls, copulation scenes>When: 540 B.C.>Where: Tarquinia>Significance: 2 scenes each accompanied by a bull: heterosexual threesome, bull in repose, with his back to the three people. Homosexual couple (passive man has blond hair but is lighter in color), sexually aroused bull attacks this couple>Life-affirming images, sex, defecation, cornuto sign were apotropaic images for Etruscans i.e. warded off evil, maybe death. Why the different behavior of the bull with respect to heterosexual and homosexual activity? we do not know
>>18077846Isaiah makes reference to the sacrificial burning of kings in Assyria:>“For through the voice of the Lord shall the Assyrian be beaten down, which smote with a rod. And in every place where the grounded staff shall pass, which the Lord shall lay upon him, it shall be with tabrets and harps: and in battles of shaking will he fight with it.">"For Tophet is ordained of old; yea, for the king it is prepared: he hath made it deep and large: the pile thereof is fire and much wood: the breath of the Lord, like a stream of brimstone, doth kindle it.”
>>18077846The king death ritual seems like a good way to ensure the office of king doesn't usurp the power of the priesthood that picks the king.
>>18077237>>18077840Well, it actually does make sense. - Zeus is the guy leading you to ego death (sacrificing the past for the future), but he's solemn and ascetic about it (suiting Greek people, at least before the mysteries were widespread). - Conversely, Prometheus is actually the growth of new thought, including potentially a new ego. Zeus and Prometheus might agree on a common enemy, but they have opposite methods.- Saturn is quite simply just the ego. Everything you say about disorder, sacrificing the future, etc makes sense.
>>18078163That's an interesting thought.
>>18076376Me
>>18076376Jew is a mistranslation of Judean. The Bible doesn't mention actual Jews.
>>18079590Jew is the modern English word for "Ἰουδαῖοι".Cope.
>>18076376>C'mon, we know the bible is bullshit. It's a fairytale.Well tipped my heterosexually challenged man of color, but a lot of Greek and Roman mythology is probably too. That doesn't mean its "bullshit" though. Trying to build legends and stories from "hard rational science" would fall flat but I'm sure your butt buddy Peter Thiel is trying is hardest to make that happen.
>>18079616No need to take it personally. It simply is not history. It is a story.
>>18079616Ya know, maybe if Catholics weren't so ridiculous about following arbitrary law and protestants weren't so up in their ass about Jesus, there could be room for moderates to just read the bible and appreciate it almost like any other famous work of ancient literature. That would be something, wouldn't it.
>>18079597>semantics
>>18076390You forgot the part where they used to gut and throw their children into bronze bulls.
>>18076431>>18076436>>18076462>>18076892Wtf is this about a Canaanite/Carthagian secret elite/cabal taking over Rome during/after Punic and Roman-Jewish wars? Is this true or are you guys just making shit up? Is all of this and what is happening today tied to the Punic wars firstly, and secondly whatever true origin of the Canaanite-human sacrifice pantheon? Its striking to me that we know so much of the Indo-European languages and how Greek and Latin derived off Phoenician, but seemingly so much less about where all the religions as we know them today flowed from, and it's this gap where Black Cube/Saturnic Astro-theological schizo-mania theories like >>18077840 suddenly start to make sense.
>>18080184meant for>>18079590
>>18076376A Sassanian King of Kings called Yazdeged Ihttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yazdegerd_I
>>18080279I think Abrahamic religion, and likely all henoistic/monotheistic religion, reflects a particular approach to the mysteries.First, I'm going to link a couple comments from another thread for background on what I mean by "mysteries":>>>/x/41295700>>>/x/41295769The core narrative of Abrahamic religion, much like Zoroastrian religion it turns out, is to conceal the mysteries and punish those who discover them or reveal them.The mythical story of Jesus from the Abrahamic perspective is that he was punished for revealing the mysteries.This is one of the narratives that the elite have used for a long time to turn all of society into this cult that fears knowledge and worships authority. That's the whole "saturnian" aspect here.I'm like 80-90% confident in what I'm saying here.
>>18081123Bretty gud take.
>>18080308Explain. To resist Roman influence in Persia?
>>18080308I see he married the daughter of the Jewish exilarch, which effectively means Jews were given titles of nobility. That doesn't mean he "created" Jews, but he gave them a start in terms of power that has essentially continued to the present, if that is indeed what happened. Maybe from Persia they went to Khazaria, then west into Europe.That only explains the Ashkenazi though. The Sephardi seem more like Phoenician/Carthaginian leftovers.
>>18081148YesAnd to convert other Levantines in Roman territory to the talmud which was being written in Persian Iraq at the time
>>18079597>they have the same name, so they must be the same
>>18081837You sound like a schizo liberal pretending Anglo-Saxons don't exist.
>>18081690The Talmud essentially goes against almost every principle of the Old Testament, and it's like a guidebook for an outsider to exist within a world where people follow the Old Testament (ie, the Roman territory). In other words, they aren't circumventing "god's" control over them. They're circumventing Roman law and Roman social custom which had been somewhat adopted in parts by this Old Testament (Torah).Alright, we can identify this as the spiritual origin of "Jews" because every connotation of that concept is the Talmud follower and the transgressor, which we now understand as a criminal pursuit of subverting the real life law and order of real people (again, not god).This leaves a couple more loose ends to tie up. 1. I'd still like to know more about the Sephardi and how they acquired Talmudic practice, if they did.2. Who were the people who lived in Judea PRIOR to Jesus (real or mythological) and much prior to the Talmud? Because we have to reason with the fact that Jesus is supposedly revolting against people that also don't exist until 400 years later. So, what was the Torah really about (who wrote it, why), and what were the extant factions of the earliest Christian era. My understanding is that Jesus came to save the "real Jews", which means Gauls to anyone who espouses this line of thinking. Gauls = Gallilee. Isaac = Saka = Scythia. If Christianity isn't a rebellion against the Torah but IS a rebellion against the "Jews" (Jews who say they are Jews but are not), then we have quite a riddle. Essentially, this means:- The Torah would have had to have been a book deriving from Scythian, or Indo-European, thought.- The "Jews who say they are Jews but are not" are administrative agency sent from another country as a colonizing force. In other words, this is Cyrus of Persia sending his managers to Judea, or maybe it is Babylon doing the same.- The true Jews are original Christians, where Christian = proto-Indo-European religion.
>>18082136Forgot to add...>Essentially, this means:- The Jews that we know today largely derive from Sasanians, who are not the Achaemenids. Sasanians were Parthians, Achaemenids were Persians. Both are connected in a way, as part of the Indo-European tree, but their histories are quite different. Parthians come from Hyrcania or Turkmenistan (formerly BMAC culture, Sintashta, Androvno, etc), Persians come from Iran.
>>18076376Israelite Yawhism became Judaism among the captives in Babylon as a response to their situation. Ideas taken from their captors were merged with a desire to maintain a separate ethnic identity and set Yahweh down the long path from parochial tribal patron that dwelt in a box to transcendent deity of the universe.
>>18082136There is a hypothesis that equates proto-Sephardi with Carthaginians or Punics in general. They had a strong ethnic presence in Iberia and lived alongside the Celtiberians and Roman colonists. The Torah was originally compiled in Koine Greek, that would make talmudic jews even more averse to it. NT is obviously taboo for them.I kay add that this policy of talmudizing paid off for the Sassanids at least twice. Once they flipped Southern Arabia and Himyar (Yemen) with talmudic agitators, but Romans and Axumites managed to unflip itThe second time, about 70 years later they opened the city gates to Khusrow II all over Syria and the Levant. Again the Romans unflipped it with Heraclius, but then the Arabs came and the jews opened city gates again. They did the same thing in Iberia in 711, after the Sassanids had fallen.
>>18076376Absolute schizo nonsense. You are just making up a timeline that fits your headcanon while ignoring all the evidence.Archaeology and extra-biblical sources (like the Merneptah Stele) confirm a distinct Israelite culture in Canaan centuries before Persia even existed. Persian Empire didn't create Jews, they encountered an already existing people in exile and allowed some to return. Take your meds.
>>18076376Moses. He gave the Jewish people their identity, their founding, their laws, their traditions, and led them into existence as a distinct people.
>>18077885You are fucking insane and I think you're crazy but I wish I could believe in this and I wish this happened and I hope you can write fiction because this is so fucking funny you have insane talent
>>18076384Jesus was a Jew himself.
Whole thread is OP copy-pasting from his personal blog: https://thehotstar.net/saturn_venus.htmlThis has been going on for at least 5 years:https://desuarchive.org/his/search/text/%22Salman%20the%20Persian%22/https://desuarchive.org/his/search/text/Adiabene/>/his/ - Please Spam Your Blog Posts Here
>>18084536That's not me, but thanks for the link fren
