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Why do modern chuds insist that the counterculture was created by the CIA when it was almost certainly created by the Soviets? What would the CIA even have to gain from making its own youth unpatriotic?
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I've literally never heard that, are you a delusional faggot?
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The Soviet Union had samizdat, same thing
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>>18076396
It was both. The CIA was worried that if the Soviet Union outpaced the West in the realm of the arts and philosophy that artists and thinkers from around the world would flock to the Soviet Union for international conventions and collaborative projects. To combat this, they adopted a policy of getting ahead of them by any means necessary and started propping up the career of various new age figures and entire institutions just to be safe. Don’t get me wrong, the Soviets absolutely did embed most of the self-hating, anti-white, anti-western, pro-leftist sentiment, but the CIA also shares responsibility because they acted impulsively out of fear. It’s not that they wanted the youth to be unpatriotic, it’s that they were trying to prevent it by modernizing patriotism, in their view. The new American patriotism would be centered around the ideology of progressive liberal globalism, IF these people they propped up ended up becoming the culturally dominant ones. If they didn’t, American patriotism would remain conservative and the libtard movement would fizzle out.

For example, Andy Warhol’s entire career was subsidized by the CIA. They ensured he was promoted way beyond the size of the crowd that was interested in him at the time, he was getting gigs across the country and his art was being displayed in exhibits everywhere, he was (unknowingly) being paid by the CIA through these art institutions that were government fronts. If he hadn’t received this support, his art career wouldn’t have been successful. That’s just one example, and that’s a BIG name in modern art, just to show you the extent of this program.
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>>18076396
I think the theory is CIA diverted the counterculture into hedonism and identity nonsense to keep people from actual meaningful change
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>>18076396

Because turning people into retarded consoomers makes them less likely to rebel than being traditional.
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>>18076418
I should also mention that nothing I’m saying here is in any way a conspiracy theory, this is just lesser-known publicly available knowledge
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>>18076418
>CIA funded absolutely shit post modern art to contrast with soviet realism
wow that worked out really well didn't it
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>be CIA
>realize you can't just shoot the commies anymore because muh "democracy"
>need a way to make dissent seem harmless and pointless
>fund the "counterculture"
>turn anti-war and class consciousness into drug-fueled hedonism and identity politics
>dilute real opposition into consumerist slop and narcissistic slacktivism
>now the youth "rebels" by buying Che shirts and posting on twitter instead of seizing the means of production
>they become the perfect controlled opposition
>mission accomplished

The Soviets wanted a revolution. The CIA gave them LARPing basedboys. Which one actually won?
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>>18076434
Kek I know right
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>>18076438
>be soviets
>realize you can't launch a global revolution
>instead start selling AKMs to niggers and asians
>???
>collapse
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>>18076396
>>18076399
I didn't think this was a chud thing, but more of a weird and culty right-wing Stalinist or tankie thing that might call itself communist or might not and has some overlap of the Lyndon LaRouche cult (although they were anti-Soviet and anti-communist). If the name Caleb Maupin rings a bell, it's people like that. They don't like post-1960s culture and abstract expressionist art.

>>18076418
I was reading some stuff about the CIA's cultural efforts in the 1950s, and a big part of it seemed to be insecurity with American culture in Europe (which was the main theatre of the Cold War), especially in a country like France where cultural and intellectual circles could be very Marxist. The U.S. exists in a bubble, especially at that time. So these CIA guys were like "what do we got" and they look around, and it's I Wanna Hippopotamous for Christmas, or that a bikini song, and they're like aww fuck we're screwed:
https://youtu.be/fowuazq-140
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>>18076396
Counter culture is usually not created. It manifests from societal ills and failures by the party in power in question. In the American continent, there's cases of CIA creating counter culture but that's not what always happens.
People are upset in the US because wages flat lining and they can't enjoy life anymore. The whole point of that place is to buy a home someplace nice. That's not a result of Stalin's ghost or whatever other schizophrenic evil spirit of communism you think is behind less American tax dollars going to Israel.
Romanovs deserved it by the way.
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>>18076434
its also great for money laundering
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>>18076455
>Counter culture is usually not created. It manifests from societal ills and failures by the party in power in question.
There was a really big economic boom in the post-war era. There was greater purchasing power. This did not correspond with what many communists said was going to happen with capitalism, but that's what happened. At the same time, mainstream culture in the 1950s could remain very monocultural and conformist. I think it's probably true that a lot of what the 1960s new left thought they were doing was revolutionary when it really wasn't, it was more about self-expression, which is very compatible with the expansion of an economy based on consumer capitalism. But there was something Karl Marx said about capitalism that is interesting, it's always generating new wants and needs and transforming everything as part of its expansion.

At any rate, a lot of the counter-cultural stuff of that period seems wrapped up in a rebellion against instrumental rationality as epitomized by Robert McNamara. It's like the robotic logic of a bureaucracy. Everyhing is clean-cut, and everything is quantifiable, and comes down to numbers. You also see this in the Vietnam War where progress was often measured in body counts and kill ratios (or tonnage of bombs dropped). So in reaction to that you get the hippies trying to get back to nature, taking psychedelics, dabbling in Eastern religion, and listening to all kinds of crazy distorted music.
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>>18076396
I’ve only ever seen chuds blame jews and/or Soviet subversion. I’ve only seen the CIA and FBI blamed for infiltrating and destroying far right activist organizations. Ultimately, the CIA would gain by any of this because it keeps whites from getting too uppity and turning over the current multicultural order. The biggest enemies of the US are within, not without. The US military still largely outmatches its enemies.
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>>18076396
The ones who actually created the Counterculture were the Germans, hue.
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>In the late 1800s and early 1900s the German Lebensreform movement emphasized the goodness of nature, the harms to society, people, and to nature caused by industrialization, the importance of the whole person, body and mind, and the goodness of "the old ways". The German youth movement known as Der Wandervogel grew out of Lebensreform as a countercultural reaction to the organized social and cultural clubs that centered on German folk music. In contrast to these formal clubs, Wandervogel emphasized amateur music and singing, creative dress, and communal outings involving hiking and camping. Inspired by the works of Friedrich Nietzsche, Goethe, Hermann Hesse, and Eduard Baltzer, Wandervogel attracted thousands of young Germans who rejected the rapid trend toward urbanization and yearned for the pagan, back-to-nature spiritual life of their ancestors
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>During the first several decades of the 20th century, these beliefs were introduced to the United States as Germans settled around the country, some opening the first health food stores. (For example, Santa Barbara's first health food store was opened in 1934 by Hermann Sexauer, who was born in Teningen, Germany on 4 March 1883 and died in December 1971; he left Germany in 1906, arrived in New York, ended up in California and lived a pacifist, raw vegan, non-conformist lifestyle.) Many moved to Southern California, where they could practice an alternative lifestyle in a warm climate. In turn, young Americans adopted the beliefs and practices of the new immigrants. One group, called the Nature Boys, who included William Pester, took to the California desert, raised organic food, and espoused a back-to-nature lifestyle. eden ahbez, a member of this group, wrote a hit song, "Nature Boy'", which was recorded in 1947 by Nat King Cole, popularizing the homegrown back-to-nature movement to mainstream America. Eventually, a few of these Nature Boys, including the famous Gypsy Boots, made their way to Northern California in 1967, just in time for the Summer of Love in San Francisco
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>>18076492
>This did not correspond with what many communists said was going to happen with capitalism, but that's what happened
It completely corresponded with what communists said. Das Kapital talks about capitalism having explosive periods of growth, then a gradual period of deterioration. Capitalists euphemize it as the "boom and bust" cycle. They don't want to admit that the "bust" isn't a McDouble getting 40 cents more expensive. It's a lot of middle class losing their homes and becoming destitute and piss poor. Bandaids like social security stopped working because the people that should be funding it refuse to fund it.
A lot of counter culture stuff in the 60s is not different than what counter culture stuff is modern day and it stems from not being able to buy a home or a car. That's why the counter culture in the country is diverse and manifests in different ways.
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>>18076396
Do you see soviet porn? Faggot
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>>18076618
is fap material counterculture?
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>>18076622
no. it's a mainstream product props up the establishment you retard
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>>18076508
CIA's immediate predecessor was the Central Intelligence Group, created in 1945 by the Sidney Mashbir and Ellis Zacharias.

>The first public mention of the "Central Intelligence Agency" appeared on a command-restructuring proposal presented by Jim Forrestal and Arthur Radford to the U.S. Senate Military Affairs Committee at the end of 1945. Army Intelligence agent Colonel Sidney Mashbir and Commander Ellis Zacharias worked together for four months at the direction of Fleet Admiral Joseph Ernest King, and prepared the first draft and implementing directives for the creation of what would become the Central Intelligence Agency. Despite opposition from the military establishment, the State Department, and the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI), Truman established the National Intelligence Authority in January 1946. Its operational extension was known as the Central Intelligence Group (CIG), which was the direct predecessor of the CIA
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The Chairman of the KGB during most of the Cold War was also.

>Yuri Vladimirovich Andropov (15 June [O.S. 2 June] 1914 – 9 February 1984) was a Soviet politician who served as the General Secretary of the Communist Party of the Soviet Union from late 1982 until his death in 1984. He previously served as the Chairman of the KGB from 1967 until 1982

>The Russian newspaper Itogi alleged that KGB chief and Soviet leader Yuri Andropov forged his biography to climb the communist party's ladder

>Recently declassified secret files of Andropov showed that he "adapted" his biography to the demands of the Bolshevik times—he made himself a son of an Ossetian proletarian, while he was actually from a rich bourgeoisie family, probably with Jewish roots. At the beginning, Andropov, according to the files, was not very accurate while inventing his family's "proletarian" past. He was questioned at least four times in the 1930s because of the discrepancies in several forms he filled

>Each and every time he managed to fool commissions that checked his background. The final version of his biography stated that he was the son of a railway official and was probably born in Nagutskoye, Stavropol Guberniya, Russia. But as the top secret archives showed, Andropov was born into a wealthy Jewish family—the Fleckensteins in Moscow. His family, which allegedly arrived in Russia from Finland, may have been dealing in jewelry and watches, and suffered from "pogroms" during WWI. One of the most interesting details is that Andropov (whose first name originally was Grigory and not Yuri), was born only a few hundred meters from the Lubyanka—the Soviet (and now Russian) secret police headquarters in Moscow, Itogi reports
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>>18076396
The CIA wins when the jews win and the jews don't want you to be patriotic because then you might question why their ethnic group has failed to assimilate into your culture and customs for over a thousand years.
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>>18076418
>Andy Warhol’s entire career was subsidized by the CIA

Men in Black III was historically accurate after all...
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>>18076924
I don't think he entire career was but he was certainly commissioned by the CIA to make these stupid paintings
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>they were using the ford foundation
jesus fuck is there anything these boomer industrialist foundations haven't been used for?
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>>18076927
>rockefeller


>The Museum of Modern Art (MoMA) Key figures like Nelson Rockefeller, MoMA's president, and Tom Braden, who was both MoMA's executive secretary and a CIA officer, created a link between the two institutions. The CIA covertly supported MoMA's international exhibitions, such as "The New American Painting," to showcase American culture and creativity as superior to that of the Soviet Union.
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>>18076479
>public auctions where authorities can easily find out how much was spent by who, is how you do money laundering
You don't know what money laundering is, do you?
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hey guys CIA here, hope you like the art
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>The CIA helped finance MoMA's international exhibitions through front organizations, such as the Farfield Foundation, which were disguised as private charities.
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Eisenhower made MoMA’s role as a government proxy clear in 1954, speaking at the Museum’s twenty-fifth anniversary celebration. Eisenhower called Modern art a “Pillar of Liberty,” saying:

As long as our artists are free to create with sincerity and conviction, there will be healthy controversy and progress in art. How different it is in tyranny. When artists are made the slaves and tools of the state; when artists become the chief propagandists of a cause, progress is arrested and creation and genius are destroyed.

It was MoMA’s job, concurred United States Ambassador to the Soviet Union, to demonstrate to the rest of the world “both that we have a cultural life and that we care about it.”
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>>18076992
In 1950, the Agency created the Congress for Cultural Freedom (CCF), headquartered in Paris. Though it appeared to be an “autonomous association of artists, musicians and writers,” it was in fact a CIA funded project to “propagate the virtues of western democratic culture.” The CCF operated for 17 years, and, at its peak, “had offices in thirty-five countries, employed dozens of personnel, published over twenty prestige magazines, held art exhibitions, owned a news and features service, organized high-profile international conferences, and rewarded musicians and artists with prizes and public performances.”
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>>18076996
“in much of Europe in the 1950’s, socialists, people who called themselves ‘left’—the very people whom many Americans thought no better than Communists—were the only people who gave a damn about fighting Communism.” When the CIA made its bid to the European intelligentsia, the Agency was waging what Braden called “the battle for Picasso’s mind,” via Jackson Pollock’s art.
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>>18076992
>Art sponsored by the state is poison and destroys genius
>he says promoting a CIA exhibition which shows blank canvases as art
Surely european socialists were not that dumb to be convinced by this
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>>18076954
https://www.artandobject.com/news/how-money-laundering-works-art-world
You just need to buy the works of some dead and unknown junkie artist and hype it in the right circles.
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>>18076452
Most LaRouchites I've met acted like p-zombies devoid of a personality which turned me off their movement for good. A lot of them are big China shills too, probably because of their anti-Soviet roots.
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>>18077381
And how do you sell these hyped up works?
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>>18076452
Intellectuals by and large have always been divorced from the opinions of everyday people and recent accusations of them being out of touch are nothing new. That's why they larp as Marxists, who by the way, actually saw ruralites as being greedy, backwards religious nuts.
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>>18076954
Much of it isn't money laundering, using art for tax evasion it's much more common.
They hype up the prices of art so when they donate those pieces to museums the theoretical value of the piece it's tax deductible.
Also, most art isn't sold through auctions, that's just the major works that catch the media attention and are actually wanted by genuine collectors. The vast majority of art is sold in shady gallery deals without any real oversight.
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>>18077407
And when the police go yo that shady gallery and ask who brought what for how much? What happens then?
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>>18077397
Well you need to have the so called crítics and curators on your payroll. It's not cheap but it pays.
>18077409
Police. LMFAO
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>>18077414
Yes, police. The guys you're hiding the origins of the money from.
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>>18077416
We are taking of CEOs, politicians, diplomats an such. Police kek rotfl
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>>18077425
So why bother with the money laundering in the first place if the people doing it are invincible?
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>>18077409
>What happens then?
Nothing
Buying art for 10 times what it's actually worth isn't a crime. Waiting for the junky artist that made it to die of an OD because you pumped him full of cash isn't a crime either. Neither is donating that art that now has a "appraised value" of 10 times what you paid for it. Nor is it putting that value as a tax write-off.
The whole system is designed to operate within the law, immoral yes, but never illegal.
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>>18077437
>it's immoral to buy low and sell high
Ok commie.
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>>18077443
Go back to first grade and learn how to read
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MoMA sucks so much ass, every time i've gone i was bored out of my mind. it is quite vindicating to learn it was all basically a intellectual shit test
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>>18076625
Yeah but boobs and vaginas are nice. Are some sex negative Maoist?
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>>18076396
https://ryanperkins.substack.com/p/the-ghost-in-the-machine
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>>18076396
So you are saying that it was the Soviets that were running psyops out of Lookout Mountain using Laurel Canyon based military brats?

>What would the CIA even have to gain from making its own youth unpatriotic?
Same thing they gained by making terrorist organizations like Al Qaeda and ISIS, to preemptively control people who might try to oppose the government.
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>>18076687
>jews don't want you to be patriotic
These generalizations don't reflect reality. There's a significant number of flag-humping Jews (albeit probably a minority) who don't think Americans are patriotic enough.

>>18077394
>Most LaRouchites I've met acted like p-zombies devoid of a personality which turned me off their movement for good. A lot of them are big China shills too, probably because of their anti-Soviet roots.
I've met one who was in the LaRouche Youth Movement or whatever they call it (they actually split after Lynn died), and they do give that zombie vibe. You're right, they do like China a lot. They often try to mask as others and don't reveal their affiliation. They're like chameleons.
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>>18077688
>Same thing they gained by making terrorist organizations like Al Qaeda and ISIS, to preemptively control people who might try to oppose the government.
That's nonsense. A lot of them are "God & Country" types. This is an actual CIA guy:
https://youtu.be/TkSMy7MBRuU
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>>18076396
It's mostly just the typical apophenia of the mentally ill
>How does the CIA benefit from the destruction of every US inner city so Nicaragua (population: 2 million) doesn't fall to the Soviets?
>....IT JUST DOES NIGGA
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>>18077702
>A lot of them are "God & Country" types
Thanks for confirming that they would definitely want to control any and all opposition since they are diehard patriots who feel like their country is lead by a divine omnipotence.
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Why would soviets bother with counter culture?
We know it's the CIA because of south America the fall of the Berlin wall, 60's japan and the only reason Italy didn't become communist.
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>>18077731
It sounds smart if you don't pay attention to history at all.
Both the CIA and FBI worked closely with criminals to commit crime even on US soil. Whitey Bulger, working with the mafia to assassinate Castro, trying to blackmail MLK and constantly trying to associate groups like the black panther with communists.
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>>18077742
Plenty of other countries do too and would make that judgement stick if they had the power. Don't be facetious.
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>>18077700
Why do you think they act like this?
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>>18077837
You are a credulous brown retard if you think anyone would use a bawstahn mick lord of petty criminals to assassinate a foreign head of state
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>>18077700
>There's a significant number of flag-humping Jews (albeit probably a minority) who don't think Americans are patriotic enough
what causes this mental illness? americans have nothing to be proud of when it comes to their own government. they get nothing back from the taxes they pay and they are exploited horribly for their labor.
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>>18077900
>they wouldn't do it your just dumb ignore the fact that they admit to doing it
lmao
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>>18077894
Ok, but they don't have the resources to do it at the scale US has and trying to whatabout other countries doesn't change what US intelligence services actually do to preserve their power. Don't be naive.
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>>18077906
>whatabout
Every time someone pulls this "fallacy" out I always assume they're a communist. Good job on outing yourself, Ivan.
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>>18077910
But fascists could have done everything communists did, so your point is invalid.
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>>18076418
Jackson Pollock was another case. They funded him because his art could be used as a showcase for the freedom and diversity of opinion people enjoy outside of the Soviet Block.

The Cold War was literally fought and won by DEI.
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>>18077904
>its an all powerful intelligence agency that failed to kill someone 80 times
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>>18077944
It almost seems like gloating if you read the reports. I don't know why that mutt keeps trying to deny something that his country already fessed up about. Very embarrassing.
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>>18077944
>all powerful
not in the 50's and 60's they fucked up constantly
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The American Dream and Counterculture are fruits of the mass media. Edward Bernays, nephew of Sigmund Freud (patron of the Tavistock Clinic) and great-uncle of Marc Randolph (co-founder and first CEO of Netflix), was the Father of Mass Media, Propaganda and Public Opinion who created the marriage of capitalist consumist marketing with socially progressive advertisements using Psychoanalysis (he worked on the Philip Morris campaign promoting cigarettes as "Torches of Liberty" for women and successfully hosted the first NAACP convention in Atlanta, Georgia) while waging psychological warfare for the United Fruit Company in Guatemala, hue.

In 1915, a US court rules in United States v. Motion Picture Patents Co. that the Edison's Motion Picture Patents Company trust is monopolistic and orders it to be dissolved. After the collapse of Edison's trust, Eastern European Jewish entrepreneur such as Zukor, Laemmle, Mayer, and Fox took over the business and move to California to get away from Edison. The Motion Picture Directors Association (MPDA) is formed by twenty-six film directors in Los Angeles, California. Universal Studios Hollywood opens. Fox Film Corporation is founded. Metro Pictures, a forerunner of Metro-Goldwyn-Mayer, is founded. D.W Griffith's The Birth of a Nation premieres at Clune's Auditorium Los Angeles and breaks both box office and film length records. DW Griffith originally worked for Edison, who worked with Tesla under Morgan. Both Edison and Tesla were instrumental in the technological media revolution. This movie was filmed/financed by Billy Bitzer, wardrobed by Robert Goldstein, and distributed by Louis B Mayer (MGM). Despite its controversial material, The Birth of a Nation signaled the birth of Hollywood, who created the modern idea of the American Dream which is basically a middle class lifestyle of consumerism and hedonism.
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>>18078128
>The Century of the Self is a 2002 British television documentary series by filmmaker Adam Curtis. It focuses on the work of psychoanalysts Sigmund Freud and Anna Freud, and PR consultant Edward Bernays. In episode one, Curtis says, "This series is about how those in power have used Freud's theories to try and control the dangerous crowd in an age of mass democracy."

>Sigmund Freud, the founder of psychoanalysis, changed our perception of the mind and its workings. The documentary explores the various ways that governments, global organizations and corporations have used Freud's theories. Freud and his nephew Edward Bernays, who was the first to use psychological techniques in public relations, are discussed in part one. His daughter Anna Freud, a pioneer of child psychoanalysis, is mentioned in part two. Wilhelm Reich, an opponent of Freud's theories, is discussed in part three

>Along these lines, The Century of the Self asks deeper questions about the roots and methods of consumerism and commodification and their implications. It also questions the modern way people see themselves, the attitudes to fashion, and superficiality

>The business and political worlds use psychological techniques to read, create and fulfill the desires of the public, and to make their products and speeches as pleasing as possible to consumers and voters. Curtis questions the intentions and origins of this relatively new approach to engaging the public

>Where once the political process was about engaging people's rational, conscious minds, as well as facilitating their needs as a group, Stuart Ewen, a historian of public relations, argues that politicians now appeal to primitive impulses that have little bearing on issues outside the narrow self-interests of a consumer society
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>>18078137
>The words of Paul Mazur, a leading Wall Street banker working for Lehman Brothers in 1927, are cited: "We must shift America from a needs- to a desires-culture. People must be trained to desire, to want new things, even before the old have been entirely consumed. [...] Man's desires must overshadow his needs."

>In part four the main subjects are Philip Gould, a political strategist, and Matthew Freud, a PR consultant and the great-grandson of Sigmund Freud. In the 1990s, they were instrumental to bringing the Democratic Party in the US and New Labour in the United Kingdom back into power through use of the focus group, originally invented by psychoanalysts employed by US corporations to allow consumers to express their feelings and needs, just as patients do in psychotherapy

>Curtis ends by saying that, "Although we feel we are free, in reality, we—like the politicians—have become the slaves of our own desires," and compares Britain and America to 'Democracity', an exhibit at the 1939 New York World's Fair created by Edward Bernays

>An Empire of Their Own: How the Jews Invented Hollywood is a 1988 non-fiction book whose topic is the careers of several prominent Jewish film producers in the early years of Hollywood. Author Neal Gabler focuses on the psychological motivations of these film moguls, arguing that their background as Jewish immigrants shaped their careers and influenced the movies they made

>Gabler's main thesis is that these producers (whom Gabler terms "Hollywood Jews") generally came from poor, fatherless backgrounds, and felt like outsiders in America because of their Jewishness. In Hollywood, these producers were able to run their own industry, assimilate into the American mainstream, and produce movies that fulfilled their vision of the American Dream
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>Why do modern chuds insist that the counterculture was created by the CIA when it was almost certainly created by the Soviets? What would the CIA even have to gain from making its own youth unpatriot-ACK

tldr
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>In an interview with LA Times, Gabler speaks about the title of the book and American Dream:

>"They had a hunger for assimilation and, in the face of resistance and exclusion, 'the Jews could simply create new a country--an empire of their own, so to speak... an America where fathers were strong, families stable, people attractive, resilient, resourceful, and decent'. The 20th-Century American Dream was to a considerable degree depicted and defined by Hollywood."

>Gabler asserts that the nature of their business and their movies can often be traced back to their feelings of alienation as immigrants."

>The book also explains that the business background of the Hollywood Jews in theatre-ownership, retail distribution, and the garment industry shaped the approach these studio owners took to crafting movies for a popular audience, one similar to the marketing of films as commodities as well as works of art

>Edward Louis Bernays (/bɜːrˈneJz/ bur-NAYZ; Austrian German: [bɛrˈnaJs]; November 22, 1891 − March 9, 1995) was an American pioneer in the field of public relations and propaganda, referred to in his obituary as "the father of public relations". While credited with advancing the profession of public relations, his techniques have been criticized for manipulating public opinion, often in ways that undermined individual autonomy and democratic values

>His best-known campaigns include a 1929 effort to promote female smoking by branding cigarettes as feminist "Torches of Freedom", and his work for the United Fruit Company in the 1950s, connected with the CIA-orchestrated overthrow of the democratically elected Guatemalan government in 1954. His involvement in Guatemala facilitated US imperialism and contributed to decades of civil unrest and repression, raising ethical concerns about his role in undermining democratic governance
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>>18078168
>In 1920, Bernays successfully hosted the first NAACP convention in Atlanta, Georgia. His campaign was considered successful because there was no violence at the convention. His campaign focused on the important contributions of African-Americans to Whites living in the South. He later received an award from the NAACP for his contribution

>In Europe and the United States, a cigarette girl was an attractive young woman who sold or provided cigarettes from a tray held by a neck strap, a common casual occupation until supplanted by vending machines in the 1950s, especially at nightclubs, but also at restaurants, bars, casinos, and other social gathering places. The cigar girl would also sell cigars, and either would also peddle other items such as candy, snacks, drinks, and chewing gum from her tray. Her typical charm, wit, and flirtatiousness made her a cultural icon of the time

>The modern image of the cigarette girl developed in the 1920s with the urbanization of the United States. Though largely not seen other than in speakeasies and supper clubs, cigarette girls were frequently shown in Hollywood films and soon became well-established among the general public. The cigarette girl of the nightclub became a staple figure of film and theatre

>George Washington Hill (October 22, 1884, Philadelphia – September 13, 1946, Matapédia, Quebec) became President of American Tobacco Co. (1925–1946) after his father Percival Hill. He hired public relations expert Edward Bernays to reverse the taboo against women smoking in public, which he did successfully by his advertisement campaigns
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>>18078186
>Allen Dulles served with the U.S. Office of Strategic Services (OSS), a Round Table creation that would eventually become the CIA, and of which he would become head. In 1938, US president Franklin Delano Roosevelt executed a secret agreement with British Prime Minister Winston Churchill, which in effect ceded U.S. sovereignty to England, by agreeing to let the Special Operations Executive (SOE) control U.S. policies. To implement this agreement, Roosevelt sent General “Wild Bill” Donovan to London before setting up the OSS under the aegis of SOE-MI6. The entire OSS program, as well as the CIA, have since worked on guidelines set up by the Tavistock Institute

>A statue of Sigmund Freud, the founder of psychoanalysis, is situated in the grounds of the Tavistock Clinic, at the junction of Fitzjohns Avenue and Belsize Lane, in Hampstead, North London. The seated bronze statue on a limestone plinth is a work of the sculptor Oscar Nemon. Freud lived nearby at 20 Maresfield Gardens for the last months of his life; his house is now the Freud Museum

>John Rawlings Rees, CBE, FRCP (25 June 1890 – 11 April 1969), also known as 'Jack' or 'J.R.', was a British civilian and military psychiatrist.

>Hugh Crichton-Miller invited Rees to work with him at a private psychiatric nursing home, Bowden House, Harrow on the Hill. Rees married Mary Isobel Hemingway (10 September 1887 – 4 October 1954), the resident medical officer at Bowden House, in 1921. Their marriage occurred shortly after Rees and Crichton-Miller created the Tavistock Square Clinic for Functional Nervous Disorders, a voluntary hospital which opened in 1920. Mary also joined the staff of the Tavistock Clinic. The clinic specialised in the new 'dynamic psychologies' of Sigmund Freud and his followers, and in particular the Object relations theory of Ronald Fairbairn and others. As well as educating others at the clinic, Rees took the DPH in 1920 and MRCP in 1936
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>Rees was one of the key figures at the original Tavistock Clinic and became its medical director from 1933. He began to make plans to establish an Institute of Medical Psychology, with beds and more opportunities to train people in psychiatric methods, and bought a site in Bloomsbury to build it, but his plans were halted by the outbreak of the Second World War

>After the war, the Tavistock Clinic underwent considerable changes, in which Rees played a key role. He was a member of a group who referred to themselves as the ‘invisible college’, in reference to the 17th century precursor to the Royal Society. This group orchestrated "Operation Phoenix", making plans for Tavistock to rise from the ashes of war. After the war, this group, including Rees and five others, formed the Interim Planning Committee of the Tavistock Clinic. This committee was chaired by Wilfred Bion, meeting twice a week to formulate a new way forward for their work at Tavistock, based on war-time experience. Rees’ plans for the Institute of Medical Psychology were never realised; instead, the group went on to found the Tavistock Institute, with funding from the Rockefeller Foundation. Rees left shortly afterwards in 1947

>The Invisible College has been described as a precursor group to the Royal Society of London, consisting of a number of natural philosophers around Robert Boyle. The concept of "invisible college" is mentioned in German Rosicrucian pamphlets in the early 17th century. Ben Jonson in England referenced the idea, related in meaning to Francis Bacon's House of Solomon, in a masque The Fortunate Isles and Their Union from 1624/5. The term accrued currency in the exchanges of correspondence within the Republic of Letters

>The manifestos elaborate these matters extensively but cryptically in terms of Qabalah, Hermeticism, alchemy, and Christian mysticism, subjects whose methods, symbolism, and allusions were ardently studied by many intellectuals of the period
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>Sir Hans Sloane, 1st Baronet, FRS (16 April 1660 – 11 January 1753) was an Irish physician, naturalist, and collector. He had a collection of 71,000 items which he bequeathed to the British nation, thus providing the foundation of the British Museum, the British Library, and the Natural History Museum, London

>Elected to the Royal Society at the age of 24, Sloane travelled to the Caribbean in 1687 and documented his travels and findings with extensive publications years later. Sloane was a renowned medical doctor among the aristocracy, and was elected to the Royal College of Physicians at age 27. Though he is credited with the invention of chocolate milk, it is more likely that he learned the practice of adding milk to drinking chocolate while living and working in Jamaica. Streets and places were later named after him, including Hans Place, Hans Crescent, and Sloane Square in and around Chelsea, London—the area of his final residence—and also Sir Hans Sloane Square in Killyleagh, his birthplace in Ulster

The United Grand Lodge of England Citizen's lodge [lodge number 1of UGLE] is less than 10 minutes by walk to the British Museum. In his Autobiography, Leon Trotsky admitted that Marxist Russians exilès [Lenin, Stalin, and Trotsky, himself among others] made their REUNIONS "of study" in the British Museum. Albert Pike's letter on the three world wars was also found in the British Museum.
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>Through Hegel, Marx would draw upon the Rosicrucian traditions contained in the German Ideology, sort of a German family inheritance that goes along with Lutheran theology and permeates the entire history of modem German philosophy, from Hegel to Heidegger

>Martin Luther read Johannes Reuchlin (father of Christian Cabala) and he himself published Theologia Germanica. Luther can be considered in the line of the German Apophatic Mystics like Meister Eckhart and Johaness Tauler. John Calvin was influenced by the more practical Mysticism of Jean Gerson and the Devotio Moderna. Later there were a bunch of Pietist Mystics like Caspar Schwenckfeld and Sebastian Franck. Paracelsus although Catholic was very influential in Protestantism, his mix of Theology and Spagyrics led to the development of Weigelianism. And people like Heinrich Kunrath and Robert Fludd mixed Paracelsianism with Christian Cabala, leading to the development of Rosicrucianism, don't forget the Rosecross they use is also the symbol of Martin Luther. All the mystical and esoteric currents of Protestantism culminated with Jakob Böhme and the development of Christian theosophy

>An important link in the transmission of the German Ideology was the Pietist Friedrich Christoph Oetinger (1702-1782), an adept of Lurian Kabbalah, admirer of Jakob Bohme, and disciple of Johann Albrecht Bengel (d. 1752), a strange character who took inspiration from Joachim of Flora's theories in order to make numerological predictions from the Revelation of John and ascertained that the world would end in 1836
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>>18078282
>He never lived to be disappointed, nor did his follower Oetinger, who, spurred by the imminent end Gust beyond his grasp), conceived of the project of a millennial Kingdom in which all people would be equal and in which private property, the state, and money would be abolished. It is difficult to establish to what extent Oetinger influenced Hegel, whose Phenomenology would primarily be contained in the theory of "alienation" (Entfremdung, Entiiusserung): The Absolute has to alienate itself in order to become known to itself. Hegelian philosophy of history is nothing but Rosicrucian theodicy in disguise. Hegel himself prepares the terrain for Marx's theory of "alienation" of the worker's labor

>The League of the Just (German: Bund der Gerechten) or League of Justice was a masonic international revolutionary organization. It was founded in 1836 by branching off from its ancestor, the League of Outlaws, which had formed in Paris in 1834. The League of the Just was largely composed of German emigrant artisans

>In 1847, the League of the Just merged with the Communist Correspondence Committee, an organization led by Karl Marx and Friedrich Engels, creating the Communist League. The new group tasked Marx and Engels with writing a political platform for itself. The resulting document was The Communist Manifesto

>Jacob Venedey and Theodore Schuster founded the League of Outlaws in Paris in 1834. They modeled the organization closely after Philippe Buonarroti's vision of the "Universal Democratic Carbonari" as an egalitarian international revolutionary fellowship organization, perhaps the first of its kind. Its members were German emigrants. Schuster's 1834 pamphlet, Confession of faith of an outlaw has been suggested as the first vision of marginalized people joining together in a coming revolution
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>At its peak, the League of Outlaws had about 100 members in Paris and 80 in Frankfurt am Main. At this time, Schuster focused his efforts on advocating for the unification of Germany and organized middle-class republicans into the League of Germans. As Schuster's and other key members' attention was focused on this work, the working class members of the Outlaws rallied around the leadership of Wilhelm Weitling. This group formed the League of the Just in Paris in 1836 as an offshoot from the League of Outlaws. The Outlaws dissipated in 1838 as their members prioritized other associations

>Members of the League of the Just were German journeymen artisans, primarily tailors and woodworkers. Their stated goal was "the establishment of the Kingdom of God on Earth, based on the ideals of love of one's neighbor, equality and justice". This was also referred to by the League as the "new Jerusalem". The motto of the League of the Just was "All men are brothers". They have been described as followers of François-Noël Babeuf and as "utopian-communist". They were anticipating a social revolution, which one of their leaders, Karl Schapper, described as "the great resurrection day of the people." Friedrich Engels wrote dismissively of the League as essentially similar to other French secret societies except that it was German

>The latter league had a pyramidal structure inspired by the secret society of the Republican Carbonari, and shared ideas with Saint-Simon and Charles Fourier's utopian socialism. Their goal was to establish a "Social Republic" in the German states which would campaign for "freedom", "equality" and "civic virtue"

>Wilhelm Weitling was the most prominent leader in the movement. Weitling denounced private property and money as a source of corruption and exploitation. Other significant leaders included Karl Schapper, Bruno Bauer, Joseph Moll, August Hermann Ewerbeck, and Johann Hoeckerig
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>>18078297
>Many members of the League of the Just were involved in the 12 May 1839 Blanquist revolt. This led to the group being expelled by the French government. They proceeded to move to London. In 1840 in London they established a front organization called the Educational Society of German Workingmen. They continued to grow, until reaching a peak membership of over 1,000 people

>In 1845 there was significant public debate within the League between Weitling, who advocated for an immediate uprising of workers, and Karl Schapper, who considered this premature, especially after his experience in the 1839 uprising. Schapper advocated for a longer campaign of popular education to prepare the masses for revolution

>Karl Marx was hesitant about joining the League due to political disagreements, but was convinced by Joseph Moll that he could be more influential debating as a member from within the organization when Moll visited Brussels in January 1847. In June 1847, the League of the Just merged with the Communist Correspondence Committee to form the Communist League
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>>18078297
The first quote I'd like to give is from Engels in his text called "On The History of the Communist League". In this text he explictly mentions the role of secret societies in the French Revolution:

https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1847/communist-league/1885hist.htm
>In 1836 the most extreme, chiefly proletarian elements of the secret democratic-republican Outlaws’ League, which was founded by German refugees in Paris in 1834, split off and formed the new secret League of the Just. The parent League, in which only sleepy-headed elements à la Jakobus Venedey were left, soon fell asleep altogether; when in 1840 the police scented out a few sections in Germany, it was hardly even a shadow of its former self. The new League, on the contrary, developed comparatively rapidly. Originally it was a German outlier of the French worker-Communism, reminiscent of Babouvism and taking shape in Paris at about this time; community of goods was demanded as the necessary consequence of “equality”. The aims were those of the Parisian secret societies of the time: half propaganda association, half conspiracy, Paris, however, being always regarded as the central point of revolutionary action, although the preparation of occassional putsches in Germany was by no means excluded. But as Paris remained the decisive battleground, the League was at that time actually not much more than the German branch of the French secret societies, especially the Societe des saisons led by Blanqui and Barbes, with which a close connections was maintained. The French went into action on May 12, 1839; the sections of the League marched with them and thus were involved in the common defeat

This "League of the Just" was founded in the image of the Carbonari, which we shall get into soon.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/League_of_the_Just
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>>18078318
From Wikipedia:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carbonari
>The Carbonari (lit.'charcoal burners') was an informal network of secret revolutionary societies active in Italy from about 1800 to 1831. The Carbonari may have further influenced other revolutionary groups in France, Portugal, Spain, Brazil, Uruguay, the Ottoman Empire, and Russia. Although their goals often had a patriotic and liberal basis, they lacked a clear immediate political agenda. They were a focus for those unhappy with the repressive political situation in Italy following 1815, especially in the south of the Italian peninsula. Members of the Carbonari, and those influenced by them, took part in important events in the process of Italian unification (called the Risorgimento), especially the failed Revolution of 1820, and in the further development of Italian nationalism. The chief purpose was to defeat tyranny and establish a constitutional government. In the north of Italy, other groups, such as the Adelfia and the Filadelfia, were associated organizations

>Although a plethora of theories have been advanced as to the origins of the Carbonari, the organization most probably emerged as an offshoot of Freemasonry, as part of the spread of liberal ideas from the French Revolution

>The membership was separated into two classes—apprentice and master. There were two ways to become a master: through serving as an apprentice for at least six months or by already being a Freemason upon entry. Their initiation rituals were structured around the trade of charcoal-selling, suiting their name
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Leon Trotsky has some things to say about the Carbonari too:

https://www.marxists.org/archive/trotsky/1930/mylife/ch08.htm
>It was during that period that I became interested in freemasonry. For several months, I avidly studied books on its history, books given to me by relatives and friends in the town. Why had the merchants, artists, bankers, officials, and lawyers, from the first quarter of the seventeenth century on, begun to call themselves masons and tried to recreate the ritual of the medieval guilds?

>In the eighteenth century, freemasonry became expressive of a militant policy of enlightenment, as in the case of the Illuminati, who were the forerunners of revolution; on its left, it culminated in the Carbonari. Freemasons counted among their members both Louis XVI and the Dr. Guillotin who invented the guillotine. In southern Germany, freemasonry assumed an openly revolutionary character, whereas at the court of Catherine the Great it was a masquerade reflecting the aristocratic and bureaucratic hierarchy. A freemason Novikov was exiled to Siberia by a freemason empress
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Our next quote comes from a collaborative work by Marx and Engels:

https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1845/holy-family/ch06_3_c.htm
>Undeterred by this examination, the French Revolution gave rise to ideas which led beyond the ideas of the entire old world order. The revolutionary movement which began in 1789 in the Cercle Social, which in the middle of its course had as its chief representatives Leclerc and Roux, and which finally with Babeuf’s conspiracy was temporarily defeated, gave rise to the communist idea which Babeuf’s friend Buonarroti re-introduced in France after the Revolution of 1830. This idea, consistently developed, is the idea of the new world order

This Cercle Social was Masonic:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Society_of_the_Friends_of_Truth
>The Society of the Friends of Truth (Amis de la Verité), also known as the Social Club (French: Cercle social), was a French revolutionary organization founded in 1790. It was "a mixture of revolutionary political club, the Masonic Lodge, and a literary salon". It also published an influential revolutionary newspaper, the Mouth of Iron
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>>18078318
>>18078321
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>>18078326
>For over two centuries, canonical historiography has consolidated the paradigm that the French Revolution was an indigenous phenomenon, rooted in the Parisian Enlightenment and whose seminal date is the Storming of the Bastille in 1789. However, a reevaluation of neglected or deliberately suppressed primary sources from archives in Florence, Naples, and the Vatican requires a radical questioning of this narrative. Documentary anomalies and encrypted correspondence suggest that the events of 1789 were not a French creation, but rather the geopolitical transposition of a series of uprisings that occurred in the Italian Peninsula. This bold hypothesis points to the role of a transnational network—the Bavarian Order of the Illuminati—as a catalyst for this remarkable feat of historical engineering

>The turning point of this research lies in the philological analysis of the Memoriale degli Tumulti Toscani, a 1791 manuscript attributed to the Dominican friar Domenico Barluzzi. Discovered in the Vatican Secret Archives and only recently released for consultation, the document chronicles in detail a series of popular uprisings in Tuscany and the Papal States, with descriptions of events, speeches, and urban guerrilla tactics that bear a disconcerting resemblance to the accounts that would emerge from France shortly thereafter. The Memoriale describes, for example, the invasion of a papal fortress by the people and the subsequent formation of a "Civic Council of Public Salvation"—terminology and structure that would later be immortalized by French historiography
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>The hypothesis of a "narrative transposition" gains strength when comparing Barluzzi's text with the dispatches of Parisian newspapers from the same period. The structural and lexical similarities are so pronounced that they rule out the possibility of coincidence, suggesting instead a deliberate translation and adaptation

>Formally dissolved in Bavaria in 1785, the Order of the Illuminati, under the leadership of Adam Weishaupt, did not disappear. Reorganized cells found fertile ground in northern Italy, especially in Venice and Florence, where they operated under the guise of literary academies and Masonic lodges, such as the Società Ermetica Boreale. Composed of intellectuals, dissident nobles, and deist-oriented clergy, these circles orchestrated the manipulation of events

>Historian Giuseppe Ardini, in his controversial work L'Architettura dell'Inganno (The Architecture of Deception), posits that "the transfer of the revolutionary epicenter from Italy to France served a dual purpose: first, it positioned the revolution at the heart of Europe's most influential cultural and military power, ensuring its spread; second, it allowed the Order to operate in the shadows, shaping events without attracting the attention that a revolution in fragmented Italy would surely bring from the Austrian and Spanish crowns." Protocols of secret meetings, found in Bologna, mention debates over the "assignment of historical roles" and the need to create "symbolic protagonists," citing names like "Massimiliano Rospigliosi"—whose phonetics and fabricated biography echo those of Maximilien Robespierre
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>>18076396
Y chromosome is literally a defective X, until we as a society realize that men are supposed to be dealt with like dangerous work animals its over
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>>18078339
(1) You are not a woman.
(2) Actual feminists will never accept you.
(3) The Y chromosome isn't a defective X chromosome but the clitoris is a defective penis...
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>>18076396
Couldnt they just not care about what is patriotic or not given all intel agencies and militaries operate above culture or law effectively? Same with basically any others with enough space and tech between them and who they are seeking to exploit/control/remove?
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>>18076396
If it was really Russian influence, then where are the CIA efforts to undo it?
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>>18077915
Not at all. The common misconception is all fascisms are made equal and the existence of the League Of Nations, followed by the UN with its world policeman mentality would have cut it down to size. Because of the implication of it being "mean and nasty" to minority populations. At the end of that day thats really all politics is about. Sentiment. And whomever has the bigger hammer crushes the opposition.
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>>18078339
We already do. That's why incels exist. The reason that shoe can't be on the other foot was stated here >>18079469
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>>18077901
They want Americans to be patriotic like they were post-9/11 so they’re motivated to die in Iran for them
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>>18076418
>Don’t get me wrong, the Soviets absolutely did embed most of the self-hating, anti-white, anti-western, pro-leftist sentiment,
can you prove any of this? anti western of course, that goes without saying, but anti white?
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>>18077895
it's a combination of chutzpah and poor foresight
they never learn from their mistakes
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>>18079955
Combination of chutzpah and foreskin #oyvey
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>>18080262
foreskin belongs on the penis, not in cosmetic products (tm)
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>>18080289
Shiiiieeet
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>>18077700
The Jews who are most plugged into cotemporary politics (not just status seeking professional libs like the majority are) recognize that Fox News boomers are more useful to Israel than brown people and their fans
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>>18076396
All I need to say is congress for cultural freedom. There's a book on it if you want to know more called who pied the piper which is written by butthurt marxoid but the investigative part of it is good.

I think you're also looking at it from the wrong side. The point of CCF was to hit both the left and the right and provide intellectual basis for what CIA thought was most beneficial. This in fact fan be seen in some formulation born out of it. Patriotism, since you've brought it up, was turned from just another word for nationalism into something that is very legalistic and neutral. Fight for the flag, for our democracy, for your fellow citizens(as defined by the state, if the state decides a groid fresh from the boat is a citizen now then he's your fellow national don't question it or you'll step into nationalist territory and nationalism is 6 million dead jews or something).



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