Does anyone on here believe it?
>>18076419I'm pretty sure even the Mormons don't, but the guys play along because if they do they get 3-4 submissive hyper-trad wives and peaceful, beautifully kept, homes. The lucky bastards.
>>18076419No but oddly enough the idea that Jesus came to merica doesn't seem all that crazy in and on itself.>>18077804Polygamy has not been allowed for a hundred years plus and also Mormons are normally just people.
>>18077811>Polygamy has not been allowed for a hundred years plusSource?
>>18076419Mormonism is based but bullshit
>>18077816https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_Manifesto120 years old. There's one that is fourteen years older but this is iirc the document where it was made completely official.The FLDS literally split because of this.
>>18077804>but the guys play along because if they do they get 3-4 submissive hyper-trad wives and peaceful, beautifully kept, homes.As others have said, polygamy has been a no-no for a while now. And honestly, having lived in Mormon heavy areas for a couple years, most Mormon women are just as modern and slutty as any other liberal “Christian” women. They just put up a better front. >The lucky bastardsYeah, I’m pretty partial to Mormon Face (they all have a look to them, go to Utah/Southern Idaho if you don’t believe me), but if you’re looking purely for a tradwife that does housework you’re better off in almost any truly conservative Christian church. Plus, you don’t have to wear magic underwear and give up caffeine.
>>18077829Like the parable:churchofjesuschrist.org/study/scriptures/bofm/jacob/5?lang=eng
>>18076419I don't think Mormons even believe in it and are just running off of inertia now.
I mean I would like to be a mormon, they are an admirable people. It is a cope but given the choice between atheist liberal or atheist mormon, the mormons objectively have a superior culture and society.Mormonism, like yankees, conferates and tories (england supporters) is fundamentally a anglo-saxon identity which makes them more american than most americans besides like new england wasps too.
>>18078877>64 Wherefore, dig about them, and prune them, and dung them once more, for the last time, for the end draweth nigh.
>>18077804Inspiration of Joseph Smith's works of translation comes directly from God and confounds all worldly "wisdom".
>>18077804>Book of Abraham>takes the Faith of Abraham to believeImagine that.
>>18076419the book of mormon is a meme
>>18077954Mormons love caffeine, just in soda and chocolate not coffee or tea
>>18078914Most are skeptical and uneasy when it comes to Joseph Smith and Brigham Young but have a doubt your doubts view on the faith.
>>18079760The actual prohibition is on "hot drinks" but they have no problem with hot chocolate or herbal tea. Just coffee and tea (and alcohol, and tobacco) even if it is cold. Such a retarded religion, I had the displeasure of being indoctrinated between the ages of 11 and 17 when I rebelled.>>18079008Imagine knowing that we know how to translate hieroglyphics and can read the parts of the "Abraham" scroll that Joseph Smith didn't mistakenly fill in details for. Surprise, it's not about Abraham at all, it's a common Egyptian funerary text.
>>18079005>>18079008Worldly wisdom is that you are saved by your own works. The entire world believes this, save for a tiny minority of Bible-believing Christians. Buddhists say your own works save you.Hindus say your own works save you.Muslims say your own works save you.Catholics say your own works save you.Unitarians say your own works save you.Mormons say your own works save you.The Lord Jesus Christ says only HIS WORK alone can save you, and that to the uttermost.>For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.>For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.>He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.>And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.>For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved.>But he that doeth truth cometh to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God.I am a wicked sinner saved ONLY by the grace of God and the atonement of Jesus Christ. I can admit that. If YOU cannot, you love darkness rather than light, lest your deeds be reproved.You are just another permutation of the same Satanic lie told since the world began. Mormons are a bit worse though, since you swear yourselves under Satan's "power and priesthood" in your Temple Endowment.
>>18079886catholics believe in grace alone too buddy. The works are sacraments which come from God.
>>18079886Sorry m8, god forbade me from being dumb enough to believe in Christianity. Predestination and all that. Sorry bro.Mormonism is a whole lot worse than Christianity though, I must admit. At least Christian theology ATTEMPTS to make sense, even when it doesn't.
>>18079894>catholics believe in grace>The works are sacraments>And if by grace, then is it no more of works: otherwise grace is no more grace. But if it be of works, then it is no more grace: otherwise work is no more work.mogged by Paul.
>>18079899>proceeds to believe big bang from nothing>dinosaurs>rocks become fish>monkey become super intelligent by eating healthier
>>18079900I forgive you for being kind of not smartsole fide has 2 definitions of workFaith (true faith is faith with works) and Works (sacraments)you are mistaking the works necessary for true faith with the works that are sacraments
>>18079902>if you don't believe in Christianity, you cannot believe in GodThat's where you're wrong, kiddo!
>>18079855>between the ages of 11 and 17 when I rebelledSo your parents converted midlife? Oof
>>18079906I'm not confusing anything.If something is by grace is it not of works. This is a GENERAL STATEMENT.I.e. If you were down on your luck and I paid you $100 with no stipulations, it would be "by grace"If I had you work for me for a day for $100, it wouldn't be by grace, it would just be you working for me.
Catholics believe in single predestination: God wills all to be saved and predestines the elect to heaven, while permitting those who freely reject grace to condemn themselves; yet all can still choose to repent through His grace.
>fun Mormon thread gets derailed by FAITH ALOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOONErHilarious
>>18079914lol bro is a muslim. its over for you
>>18079927Would be a super effective attack if the only alternatives for believing in a Supreme Being were Islam or Christianity (or Judaism for that matter).
>>18076419I believe it like this1. The Bible (is canon)2. The Apocrypha (is secondary)3. The Book of Mormon (it doesn't fit with either and is its own category, don't know how to define it)
>>180801071. The Bible (Is true)2. The Apocrypha (is occasionally interesting fanfiction)3. The Book of Mormon (is an obvious fraud)
>>18080132>t. didn't read
>>18080140Are you Mormon? Then you believe whatever the aging current "Prophet" of your religion is convinced to tell you today. Recently didn't they tell you Coca-Cola and Mountain Dew is ok? But coffee and tea are bad, so it is schizo about caffeine. If polygamy and racism were enshrined in the 100% true restored religion, and can be discarded when politically expedient...so can anything. Tomorrow you might have LGBTPQ+ being celebrated, female "Apostles" or any such nonsense you can think of. Useful for the staying power of the religion that the current leader can change anything, but utterly devastating to the claim that it was True Religion which was "restored" by Joseph Smith. What? God couldn't get it right the first time? Or your God changes his mind?
>>18079886Matthew 16:27Revelation 20:13
>>18081541>For the Son of man shall come in the glory of his Father with his angels; and then he shall reward every man according to his works.Yes, the saved will be rewarded with degrees of glory in heaven. The damned will be rewarded with degrees of damnation in hell.>And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.The dead are those who are in hell. They were damned already because they believed not. These will be judged (not merely rewarded) according to their works. The saved will not be judged according to their works, but Jesus' works, which is why they're saved. Everyone is damned because they are hopeless sinners who do not trust in Christ's work.
>>18081563Everyone else* is damned I mean.
>>18081563Lutherans are so hopeless
>>18081568I'm not Lutheran.
>>18081574>im actually a modernist evangelical who takes all the junk from lutheranism but removes all the good partsoh what a relief
>>18081579>modernistWhy do you believe that salvation by faith (which, if you actually believed in it, would mean faith ALONE) is "modernist"?You know, I made arguments from the Bible. If you'd rather just use ad hominem, do you think this makes you intellectually honest?
>>18081591>whaaat? Im a modernist? I just believe my subjective modernist perspective of the objective text. What are you rejecitng the objective text?Lol
>>18081601Is your perspective non-subjective? Why or why not? If not, and you believe you have a more truthful, less-subjective take, could you possibly explain why I'm wrong ?
>>18081607Yes, my perspective is objective. To debate with a protestant on the bible is to concede the protestant premise that you can doubt dogma. Doubting dogma is heresy, and heresy is a sin.
>>18081615>Doubting dogma is heresy, and heresy is a sin.Do you think any popes have doubted dogma?Or does anything the pope says or does become dogma?
>>18081622protestantism started before this event occured, and so it is fallicious to use this event to justify your protestant position>opinion rejectedAnd yes, Popes are heretics and sinners. Becoming the Pope doesn't make you Jesus.
>>18081625Does the pope being a heretic affect dogma? Why or why not?>Becoming the Pope doesn't make you Jesus.Now you appeal to Jesus rather than the Church. Curious. Isn't the Pope the Vicar of Christ?
>>18081591The just shall live by faith does not mean anyone who follows a man-made conception of Christianity and locks in their brain to the ideology is the only kind of person that is "saved", that is just how baptists get tithes.
>>18081628Why would someone recieving holy orders and becoming a priest make them immune from sin? How is this any different from a Bishop, or for the Bishop of Rome. You are asserting something which Catholics do not say about the Pope. The Pope is a servant of Jesus, you do realize Catholics worship Jesus Christ right? We don't worship the head of the Church as God. LolWhy would the Pope sinning effect dogma?
>>18076420Africa makes much mores sense
>>18081622JPII blessed the KoranFrancis blessed the leader of the LDS
>>18081633>Why would the Pope sinning effect dogma?Is heresy merely a sin?Isn't it worthy of death? Are you not here accusing Luther of being some arch-heretic? Well, I guess Luther wasn't so bad then. He was just a sinner (heresy) like the rest of us.
>>18081642Heresy is the word of man usurping the word of God by false commandment. The Bible is 100% true in every line, and anyone who adds a word saying to discount it is a heretic.
>>18081641You know that everything ought to be blessed right? The leader of the LDS is just a man who is in sin. Any blessing goes towards the end of repentance and salvation, there is nothing wrong with blessing evil persons because the utility of the blessing is to the end of said evil.
>>18081647The Koran says the Bible is inspired and the LDS scriptures confirm the scriptures of old.
>>18081642Heresy is a sin, yes./Heresy is worthy of death if it is sentenced by the state because it hurts the common good, yes. But i don't support death of heretics outside of the mechanisms of a state.Luther was a sinner like the rest of us, yes. I don't hate Luther as an individual. Why Would I, I am a Catholic?
>>18081647>Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God. He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son.>If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into your house, neither bid him God speed:>For he that biddeth him God speed is partaker of his evil deeds.
>>18081655How is this relevant?Blessing a muslim goes towards the end of the muslim becoming a Christian. It does not justify islam. ???
>>18081654You should consider reading the Book of Mormon and judging it for yourself
>>18081657Respectfully I will never give mormonism honest deliberation because you are clearly worshipping an angels revelation which Paul specifically said not to do in galatians.
>>18081658>clearly worshipping an angels revelation which Paul specifically said not to do in galatiansDon't do that if it contradicts one word of the Gospel of course. If you weigh it with having understood the Gospel, and not wanting to trample the strength that testimony at all with the word of man, you would be able to know what is true and what is not. And, the Book of Mormon transcends the churches that follow it, it is a book for everybody.
>>18081658>Judge not according to the appearance, but judge righteous judgment.
>>18081658The book is deliberately obscure even to those who read it, it is part of God's plan.
>>18081658>But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.That is why you must weigh it for yourself and not trust in others. The Holy Ghost is the same that testifies both the old Bible and the Inspired Version, and also all the Mormon scriptures, even the Book of Abraham, which is set to be extremely difficult to believe, and yet contains very interesting contents.
yeah im still not giving your satanic religion honest deliberation
>>18081682>satanicYou would be able to tell if it was satan, because God would never give the witness of the Holy Spirit to the heart of the believer in something that is made up. If you don't have that in your life anyway, then you are like "Solitaire" and are not saved in this life, and must await judgment for your works, not having God to guide you personally to do that which is good in his eyes.
>>18081686I can tell its satanic because reformed egyptian does not exist
>>18081682>fear to be honest in weighing somethingThat is a fact of the word of man, which the word of God transcends, and is completely clearheaded, and wise. God is Truth, and that is objective reality, as made by God's hand, and there is nothing a set of commandments of man can do to usurp his authority.
>>18081694i dont read the bag vagita or quran eitherwhy am i obligated to investigate every false religion. i dont care
>>18081688It is tied to the Book of Enoch only being available in Ge'ez, where in Ethiopia they did retain some scriptures and apocrypha lost elsewhere.
>>18081702wow if this is true (its not) there must be a lot of ethipoian orthodox looking into mormonism huh (they arent)
>>18081708It is sealed; the continents are incorrect in Mormon teaching, though the scriptures and revelations of Joseph Smith never say it is from America. It is set up to be an example of an organized church with a splinter in its eye, like Jesus' parable, trying to correct other churches, who also have at least a speck to block them in seeing things clearly. And, when you remove the splinter that is the word of man that says the Book of Mormon is from some imaginary American civilization, and read it for itself, independently, and weigh it as an African history, it would illuminate you.
>>18081716i will not (ever) treat mormonism with good faith. im sorry.
>>18081717Then try Islam, whose Koran is actually infallible, though translated incorrectly, and believed to falsely say Jesus isn't the son of God, by a tradition with much to obscure their vision.
>>1807641919th century american quran.
>>18081717If you are deficient in a rock to stand on in Christianity then studying those scriptures would be the first thing I'd recommend however; I am not trying to decrease your faith in Jesus but to increase it.
>>18081723yeah im sorry muslim. I assure you that I would treat islam infinitely more dishonestly than I would treat mormonism and I already treat mormons with bad faith,MUHAMMAD IS A DOG
Joseph smith is a heretic but muhammad is a pig dog burning in hell who gets raped by nigger satan
>>18081725No, that's this:
>>18081729>>18081732The "Muhammad" of much tradition is a false representation of the true messenger of God. Satan corrupts the teaching of truth with political power over the word of man and the teaching of scribes.
>don't trust every spirit but here's a way to test them>do they say that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh? Then they are of God.>all of the spirits and angels that Joseph Smith communed with said that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh>therefore Joseph Smith is a prophet of GodQED, it's very simple.
>>18081739>nonsense>therefore nonsense must be truethis is actually a good argument
>>18081743>calling the Bible nonsenseRoman Catholic detected
>>18081746I believe Jesus christ came in the fleshI think mormonism is false because god told me>therefore i must be a prophetbro u are cooked
>>18081752>I think mormonism is false because god told meResorting to claiming to be a prophet?
>>18081754wait are you saying im not a prophet? why
>>18081756The Book of Mormon is true.
>>>/lit/24807800>Smith was a well-known hack and conman who was also 33rd degree mason and basically made up bullshit on a similar scale to scientology to be able to exploit the fools joining his cult by having sexual relationships with their wives and daughters and taking their cash, businesses and moreSmith was an infallible prophet of God.
>>18081760>bears false witnesshow could your religion be true if it requires breaking a commandment from God to profess it?
>>18081615>Doubting dogma is heresy, and heresy is a sinRidiculous
>>18081775>heresy is not a sin because it hurts my feelingsHeresy - the obstinate denial or doubt of a revealed truth that is taught as part of the faith
>>18081779Heresy = Hearsay = Word of Man
>>18081783lol thats a good take (dumbest thing ive ever heard)
>>18081787Have you even read the Bible?
>>18081790>i dont believe in the book of mormon>oh so youve never read the bible
>>18081793You have to be 18 to post here.
>>18081796adhomalso not an argumentalso slander
>>18081723They got the story of Jesus not being crucified from the 2nd Treatise of the Great Seth. They got the idea that Jesus isn't God's son from some arianism or some other chistian sect. Despite this they got a story where Jesus creates clay birds and gives life to them like how God created Adam. They borrowed this story from the infancy gospel of Thomas. There is also a quran passage that seems to imply that Allah or the spirit of Allah impregnated Mary.
>>18081822>Jesus not being crucifiedThat part in the Koran is about how he was delivered from being staked and stoned in the Gospels, so he could complete his mission.>Jesus isn't God's sonNot of the will of the flesh, he is an incarnation of an eternally-begotten Word, which is different from being a separate God to be worshipped, being a manifestation of part of the mono-godhead.>clay birds and gives life to them12 apostles>spirit of Allah impregnated MaryJesus was conceived of the Holy Ghost, that made him a son of God of the will of the spirit of God, not of flesh; he is a son of Mary of the will of the flesh. It is a deal with Arabic words being misused and misconstrued to contradict Christianity.
>>18081769Note this post doesn't dispute the fucking of other men's wives and daughters. He was a bad guy and a conman who got what he deserved. If he was infallible, why have many of his policies been reversed by the Mainline Mormon Church? If he restored the true religion, why so many huge changes? Particularly racism and polygamy. Either they are ordained by God or not, God doesn't change based on US politics. That's ridiculous.
>>18081849>racismNever of Smith>polygamyRead the revelations, polygamy is still true to the Word of God in the Bible alone even, and is only persecuted at the present.
>>18081860I don't believe in your "revelation" by human hands, especially Smith and Young BS.
>>18081869Why would anyone believe in a revelation if it wouldn't benefit them? Or a miracle for that matter. The only reason to believe in Jesus is because the truth sets you free. You aren't afraid of being set free from your own commandments of man, are you?
>>18081873category error to accuse the commandments form God of being commandments of man
>>18081876If your commandments were true and of God they wouldn't fear exposure to other statements; because they are not they have no testimony of the Holy Ghost.
>>18081884wrong. God hates falsehood, and it is our obligation to destroy it>if Truth is real than you would allow falsehood to festernonsense
>>18081892Crazy heretic
>>18081873I don't believe in Jesus as God either. Nor the rest of the JudeoChristian Bible, nor the Quran, and certainly not Joe Smith's fanfiction. Why is a book translated in the 1800s using language of the 1500s, including entire sections which are just exact copies of parts of the KJV? The most egregious is the so-called "Book of Abraham" which is just an obvious fraud. But go ahead, pray about it and abandon your reason, your brain will give you the answer it wants to. Just don't expect that answer to be true.
>>18081892This type of contentiousness is the fruit of a dead faith which does not know the word nor works of Christ.
>>18081901>rejects definition of heresy>accuses others of being a hereticgood one satan
>>18081905see>>18079008
Alma 32 is key.
