Why does the pleasure cube hypothetical make people so uncomfortable?
>>18076653Because it's a betrayal of life. If you don't intuitively understand that, you're genuinely worshipping pleasure.
Because it's a brainless consoomer slurping on copious amounts of hopium.The entire point of being a higher being is to overcome lowly instincts, not to plug into a wallet like a fucking phone charger. You are literally advocating for the death of ambition, the extinction of meaning. It's the most pathetic, blue-pilled surrender to existence imaginable.Go ahead, consoom the pleasure slop. The rest of us will be out here based and red-pilled, actually accomplishing shit.
>>18076653It only makes materialist hedonists uncomfortable because they know it's wrong in their hearts but in their minds it makes sense in their erroneous beliefs
>>18076653Because God wants to pretend that existence is better than non-existence so that he can pretend that he's not only justified in forcing me to exist against my will so he can abuse and dominate me but he pretends it makes him generous even.Obviously if the pleasure cube really provided complete and total security and complete and total pleasure then it would be better than suffering outside the cube.
>>18076653Removal of agency and lack of authenticityAll your experiences are simply just simulations while your physical body withers away
>>18076653I think its for the same reason most drugs make people uncomfortable. It makes people lazier and that weakens productivity which the goyim take pride in, if they cant produce anything for their masters, they will lose the will to live
>>18076675> It only makes materialist hedonists uncomfortableEh... Can't you make the same cube for spiritualcel? I dunno, God cube or something which simulates Jesus being real and them being in heaven? If there is any motivation system it can be tricked by malicious cube,
>>18076692What about drugs that makes people more producitve? :|
>>18076695It probably just got accidentally swept into it with a total drug ban when politicians were having a knee jerk reaction to drugs. They made a loophole to allow meth later on in the form of ADHD medication because it increases productivity. Caffeine was fortunately never banned and is considered a noble drug in the goyim slave world
>>18076693No true Christian would accept a fraudulent Christ.
I am currently in the pleasure cube (gooning to custom written Grok porn). I can see why it would make people uncomfortable. The typical premise is that human beings seek happiness with their private individual will, but by making the decision to enter the pleasure cube, that same private will is corroded and displaced completely by simple sensory overload. It is possible to "choose" this, but once you do, choice ceases to exist. And that recontextualises the action - how can a free private will choose to abolish itself? That is, in essence, an unfree action that is mutually incompatible with private will.
>>18076732>(gooning to custom written Grok porn)Not any more you aren't now that they've nerfed it
>>18076734You think? I almost can't tell it is censored at all. From what I can see, at most it is forced to substitute 1% of the lewd words out there for more euphemistic alternatives, other than that it is absolutely free. If there is anything that annoys me, it's that there seems to be a message limit for free users. Currently waiting on the message refresh.
>>18076668this, praise kek
>>18076740I cant even get it to expand womens breasts while clothed, its beyond over. I dont think the wording matters since the moderator scans the image not the prompt
>>18076653Because a bunch of people care more about aesthetics and "what other would think of them" more than anything else
>>18076746Ah you are using it for image generation? I wouldn't know how that works. I tried to get Grok to make a meme image for me once and it was so bad I assumed it is just trash for image generation. But Grok is really good at written porn, easily the best among the big models. Its only competition is specialised smut wriitng models and even then it's neck and neck, lol. Plus unlike with image generation, it is easier to edit and substitute elements in text.
>>18076713>No true ChristianLmao.
>>18076653I think it's kind of horrible that whatever it is is so good that you never unplug. It is like mind control, it overrides your mind to willfully stay plugged into it. It hits an existential horror vibe. Whatever you were before, any beliefs ypu had, personality, ambition just vanish in an instant and you stay there for a billion years.
>>18076653Does it make anyone uncomfortable? It's like baby's first hypothetical
>>18076794Heh that sounds like the opinions of your personality, beliefs and ambitions. They are all going to die, of course they will protestBut *you*, you will live, your soul doesnt need them no matter how they plead otherwise. They are holding you back, you will find the mindbreaking pleasure to be a far better companion than they could ever be.
>>18076653It's not "a hypothetical" it's a scenario.Please inform the Zach Hadel fandom.
>>18076837Something right now inside me would hold me back. I would know that plugging into that machine means death. It is death but without the dying. I don't like it.
>>18076653>"Why does the pleasure cub-ACK!"
>>18076653Isn't this just another name for Nozick's experience machine?
>>18076653Because they are already wasting most of their life on its predecessor: the internet.
>>18076653because it is like fent addicts>>18076668it could be argued you are still addicted to the dopamine coom, you just haven't experienced your first hit of heroin yet so you don't seek it
>>18076653Damn, that is hot
>>18077821The problem with the machine is that artificial pleasure is naturally less pleasurable than natural pleasure, so by hooking up to a lifetime of artificial pleasure, you are cutting off access to natural pleasure, thereby sacrificing a potentially greater pleasure for a lesser immediate pleasure.
>>18077679The pleasure cube wouldn't kill you though, so its not the same.
>>18076653Because it’s not real pleasure and not feasible. Humans need struggle and a sense of accomplishment
>>18078672The pleasure cube would kill you though. Your brain would not be able to handle the dopamine overload
>>18076653My parents pulled me out of school to homeschool me then let me play on my computer 24/7 so im kinda already living the pleasure cube lifeI would 100% go into it, fuck eveyone else, all I ever wanted was to continue school
>>18078702but in the hypothetical its supposed to keep them alive
>>18078714How would it do that? You need to exercise, eat enough calories, and stimulate your brain to remain alive. All those things require being unplugged from the pleasure machine
>>18078719It's a hypothetical
>>18078739I get that but my point still stands that it needs a feasible way to prevent you from atrophying and all ways to do that involve unplugging you from the cube
someone post the piccolo version
>>18078672technically it would consume your lifetime in one long high in a much more effective way than fent would, so an argument can be made that it would kill you.
>>18076653Some ideas:1. Intuitively, a truly fulfilling life seems like it would have to be complicated and peculiar to each individual, while the pleasure cube idea evokes something simple and mass-produced.2. People don't like the ideas of losing contact with reality or reducing themselves to a mindless blob, which the pleasure cube also evokes. It seems like the sort of thing where if something went wrong, everyone would be screwed, and progress in understanding the world would be stalled if not reversed for any cilization that went the way of the pleasure cube. So a civilization spends a thousand years pleasure-cubing themselves, then something goes wrong, and now they're all flopping around like fish out of water and they have to start rebuilding from square one.
Because pleasure is fundamentally not the same thing as happiness
>>18078711Why were you in homeschool?
Everyone here would LEAP at the chance to leave the rat race behind and enter the experience machine don't pretend you wouldn't.>Uh uh will to power uhh I would uhh I crave REAL experience broreal experience like getting eaten alive by wild animals, getting into a horrible car wreck and burning alive, slaving away every day to make others richer so you can feed yourself, watching yourself age and shit your pants while you lose your mind, etc. Yeah man, sure, you would totally choose that over chemical bliss and full-dive VR infinicoom sex in the matrix getting your dick sunked forever. I'm sure you would because you saw a guy in india post a greek statue on twitter once telling you to go with christ or some gay shit. I, for one, would gladly enter the cube.
>>18079340This nigger is correct. The entire goddamn point of civilization is to attempt to approximate the pleasurecube as best as we can. Who the fuck would say no to an easy life that's free from hardship? Would you say no to a million dollars?Think of it as a "no suffering" cube to emphasize why it's obviously a good choice. Do you want to be sick, poor, in pain, etc? You choose the pleasurecube every single time you do something to try to improve your quality of life.Rejecting the pleasurecube is literally nihilism. It's choosing meaningless, unnecessary suffering in a world where peace and tranquility are possible. Carpe diem and imagine Sisyphus happy all you want, that's all fine and dandy because we live in a world in which the pleasurecube isn't real and those are useful copes to get by when the cold hard discomforts of reality have to be faced, but it's idiotic to pretend that the suffering is the point.Rejecting the pleasurecube means you have the same mentality as a dog who chases a car. You pursue happiness and avoid suffering, and when you see a chance to finally reach the destination, you get cold feet? Please.
>>18079340I would enter an experience machine like a fully immersive VR world but I would not enter a pleasure cube that directly feeds happy hormones into my brain. I would still be tempted, but I wouldn't do it. I have more-than-merely-chemical aspirations for my life.
>>18079293they were scared of me being influenced I think
>>18076668why cant we do both
>>18076653Isn't this the same as doing drugs just with extra steps?
>>18076661I'm going to poke your eye out with a needle. If you don't inuitively understand why that's a good thing, you are a hedonist scum.
Disregarding the problem of how it might eventually fail and we'd have to relearn most knowledge and restart civilization and have much suffering that goes along with that it's because they're normalfags who either can't think straight or need to cope with our current reality. I don't necessarily blame the latter though.
>>18078743So you refuse to watch The Matrix? You turn it off when you see the pods?
>>18080346Honestly yes. The Matrix is a shit movie made by trannies. Simulation theory is a modern disease on the intellect.
>>18076653Goal of life is not happiness or subsistence, philosophical debate with sciences sprinkled in desu
>>18076653they are attention vampires that do not want people to quietly enjoy themselves
>>18080714>they are attention vampires that do not want people to quietly enjoy themselves
>>18080328>and we'd have to relearn most knowledge and restart civilizationthis is probably a neutral thing. building a civilization is arguably better than living in this failing one. this is a dumb point to make though because the pleasure cube tech would be high enough that it wouldn't fail.>>18080720I am not wrong.>NOO YOU CAN'T JUST ENJOY YOURSELF IN THAT CUBE NOT HURTING ANYONE>PLEASE PAY ATTENTION TO ME AND DO WHAT I SAYwoman behavior
>>18076653Not a rebuttal, but some thoughts.As I understand, the thought experiment assumes that the pleasure cube works perfectly, there is no risk of failure, and there is a robotic infrastructure to run it indefinately. There are no real practical limitations because the thought experiment is about real vs. fake experiences.The arguements against the cube tend to be about meaning and struggle. Life should be about struggling to achieve happiness, even if the cube completely satisfies you, it is bad because you arrive to that point without struggle, therefore, it lacks meaning.Struggle, I would define as problem-solving. The problem is, the cube kind of solves all problems. It fulfills all levels of pic related. So once the cube is made available for you, then all the challanges you may face are self-imposed, you impose them on yourself by not going into the cube. But that's something you may be able to do inside the cube too, or at least, it will also satisfy your need for a sense of achievement in some way.The cube is basically a man-made version of heaven, whic is why the most solid arguement against it is a religious one, that we have a soul that is supposed to go to heaven later, and God would not approve if we created it in VR.
>>18080852>and God would not approve if we created it in VR.is that even remotely true though
>>18080852Thinking about it a bit more: a good arguement against the cube could be that it still operates within the limited framework of a human brain. And it's possible that, outside the machine, your consciousness could reach a higher level (either through spiritual or even technological means eg. transhumanism), and you would be able to experience things you cannot even imagine, and a machine working with the normal human brain could never simulate.
>>18080870that's mumbo jump though because our entire living experience comes from the brainwithout your brain you experience nothing.
>>18080879What if you were given some genetic treatment, or bio-cybernetic implants that greatly altered your brain? Probably your subjective experiences would be altered significantly. A boring example but there exist colors that are outside the visible light spectrum becuase we are biologically incapable of seeing them. But some animals can see them because their nervous systems are built differently. Theoretically, your brain could be altered so that you could see new colors that you cannot imagine now.Ff more advanced functions of your brain changed, and you could experience completely new emotions, cognitions etc. that you cannot imagine now.
>>18076653For me it's the "you can never leave it" aspect.
>>18080938Yeah but that's exactly what the pleasure cube will be doing, it's all just chemistry and electrical input at the fundamental level. Our experience of the outside world is just our senses picking up stimuli and then our brain helping us sort it all out through the process of growing up, and then you attempt to categorize it all and build up your world model. But technology can alter what our brain is telling us, like when you do drugs and start seeing or feelings things that aren't "real", or when you do more technological things like put a chip into your brain and start ending artificial signals that you then perceive as real. I actually don't believe we could experience new emotions or even see new colors because that seems a hell of a lot deeper than this stuff, but obviously you could have fun zoning out in a pleasure cube because there are zombies walking around American streets as we speak, enjoying their highs lol. Gooners edging for hours or addicts gambling are similar too. We don't even need that much technology to entrap humans mentally, but if we did like the thought experiment suggests, it could be cleaner. The Matrix and the Animatrix play a lot in this space, personally I never saw the point of breaking free of the Matrix especially if you were Neo who could larp as Super-Man. The "but it's not real" argument didn't make sense because nothing is "real", it's all an interpretation because like you say other creatures see a completely different world than we do. Some people are geniuses and some are retarded too, their perceptions of the world are very different as well. And this is coming from someone who probably wouldn't even enter the pleasure cube lol. But the arguments against it are silly because it would just be a comfy cube that fed you all the things you'd want to perceive in order to be comfy. One person's cube could be a war zone with rape and murder galore and the other could be eating cake and watching anime forever.
>>18080318>false equivalencedial 8
>>18076678>forcing me to exist against my willit's for your own good. self-destruction falls under sloth which is a mortal sin
>>18080959Furthermore, humans have that thing where we always want to climb up higher forever. The, "I achieved my goal, now what? I'm bored." thing or the slippery slope into degeneracy or the eternal greed etc. I think a lot of people arguing against the pleasure cube are imagining that they would get bored of it because of hits human behavior but I don't think technology won't be able to solve that feeling. Finding a way to turn it off, while offensive to grindlords, would be one of the benefits of the pleasure cube. A way to just enjoy life peacefully without wanting to step on others and take all their stuff, or to look better than everyone else, or to collect every thing that you like.I get how that instinct is important to what we are but I don't think it's ideal to constantly live by it, I've always found it kind of animalistic and stupid even though only humans have it and there's a lot of beauty in it. Part of the whole enlightenment meme is abandoning it though, and drugs help you ditch it temporarily(which is why a lot of people do drugs).
>>18080970Most people have very poor imagination, they need direct experience to clear their assumptions. It would be nice if we had a working pleasure cube that people can try for 10 seconds.The whole world gets addicted... then they start fighting eachother for the pleasure cube.... oh no. Better have alot of them before the test
>>18080970>I don't think technology won't be able to solve that feelingThat's a little different from a pleasure cube though. It's like asking would you install a sweetness simulator onto your tongue, I'd say no because too much sweetness would gradually become shite, and you'd shift to a completely new machine that not only generates sweetness, but also removes the decreasing marginal enjoyment. It's a different question entirely. One of the points of the pleasure cube is to have the person decide whether one particular feeling - pleasure - is all they aim for.
>>18080975I haven't really thought about that but it makes sense. I've been seeing that play out a lot the past few years with AI.>AI will never do Xwhen it obviously will, and then time passes and>okay it does X but it will never be goodand then time passes and>okay it's good but it will never do Xand then time passes and...>okay it does X but it will never be goodit's all so tiresome. Maybe the pleasure cube question is just an IQ test.>>18080981Well that feeling is part of the pleasurable human experience, if you have it the pleasure quickly fades away. So getting rid of it would be essential to the cube.
>>18080985>getting rid of it would be essentialYou're conflating pleasure and joy(? I'm ESL). Pleasure is a bodily sensation. Joy is your mind's approach to it. You can feel great amounts of pleasure and still suffer. It is also one of very key implicit questions in the pleasure cube scenario.
>>18080989I'm not conflating those two things. The pleasure cube is what the girl is sitting in and it makes you look like pic related.Whether you're feeling joy or anything else isn't important. The objective of the cube is to make you feel the ultimate pleasure forever.
>>18080993>Whether you're feeling joy or anything else isn't important. >foreverYou don't think it matters if you suffer forever?
>>18080959>Yeah but that's exactly what the pleasure cube will be doing, it's all just chemistry and electrical input at the fundamental level.I don't think that any input or chemicals could simulate in a dog what it feels like for a human to listen to Beethoven. Nor could you simulate in a human brain how a dog feels when its owners come home. The hardware matters. The pleasure cube doesn't fundamentally alter the human brain, it is still made out of the same circuits, it just recieves different chemical and sensory input.My point was that if everyone went inside the cubes, they may be depriving future humanity from even greater pleasure and novel experiences, since nobody would be around to further techological progress.I maintain that the pleasure cube makes most technology obsolete. (We no longer need construction since no one needs houses anymore since the cube fulfills the same purposes but better etc.) So pretty much the only development that could enhance human experiences is if our brains (the hardware) became altered, through technology or biological evolution. So yeah, it's a long termist arguement, it doesn' work on an individual level as you probably would not get pleasure cube 2.0, compitable only with transhuman brains, in your lifetime. But I guess the cube also removes the desire for those experiences, which actually makes it more like Nirvana, so I Buddhists would get in the cubes if they are honest with themselves.
>>18081010The hardware of the brain is capable of so much more than you think when under the influence of drugs. Ego death, tasting colours, hearing smells, things that sound utterly deranged are all experiences possible with drugs. It does not inhibit novel experiences, it makes themIm atleast 80% confident that the right chemicals could make a dog know what it feels like for a human to listen to beethoven and 99% confident that it could make a human know what a dog feels when its owner comes home.
>>18081010>My point was that if everyone went inside the cubes, they may be depriving future humanity from even greater pleasure and novel experiences, since nobody would be around to further techological progress.I think it's a fairly narrow window of experiences that an algorithm could fully explore once it was better understood. Like the AI that found every protein shape, that's probably a MUCH wider gamut than all of the human feels. Depending on your schizo level you might already agree that we've found a bunch of them through shamanistic rituals and MK ultra mind control psy ops and stuff.I also kind of agree with the other anon, those kinds of emotions are pretty shallow feelings all things considered. Animals already kind of share them with us as they do like music and humans enjoy when their dogs come home. It's just a matter of amplification which you can have boosted from being young or popping some ecstasy. Dogs have more joy than us but it's not really because they're wildly different than we are, it's because they're stupid like toddlers lol. They're essentially eternally little children and children also don't care much about Beethoven but they do enjoy when their parents come home. The different values of the emotions are reflective of intelligence and bias(some people don't appreciate Beethoven because of bias).
>>18081018how is sitting on a bean bag chair smoking weed "ego death"? it is a particularly unimpressive act of self-indulgence, if you want to put aside your ego go to the homeless shelter and grab a ladel
>>18081071I dont know which stoner hurt you but we are talking about pleasure cubes here. The weed thread is probably that way on /x/
>>18079360>You choose the pleasurecube every single time you do something to try to improve your quality of life.This isn't actually true. The pleasurecube gives everything while taking nothing. In real life everything is a trade-off. Want to be healthy? You need to take time and energy out of your day to exercise and cook. You need to choose not to eat junk food that gives a quick dopamine hit.Fundamentally you will always have to choose what you do with your finite time. This is also why so many people assume it is bad to be in the cube at all since everything in the real world has trade-offs.
>>18080346Realistically being in the matrix pods. your muscles would atrophy and you’d basically be completely incapable after a couple months in suspended animation. Your body would eventually fail.
>>18076653We basically have that now with iPhones, VR shit, basically all these screens, drugs already represented that, and we already see how depressed and lonely it makes people over a period of time. If you’re not being active in your own life, you’re basically dead
>>18076837> But *you*, you will liveWell then you have to ask who you even are if you remove all these core traits that makeup your personality and the actions you make. I feel like you’re baiting, but being consumed by pleasure should never be the true you
>>18082187> The pleasurecube gives everything while taking nothingIt takes away your agency
>>18083424You are experience itself, every other trait you identify yourself with is nothing but filler that gets added throughout your life and continually changes.You are an existence that is susceptible to being consumed by pleasure, that will never change, it is the true you. You can avoid touching this pleasure in fear of losing your superficial fluff but if you ever get a whiff of it, the true you will not reject it and will discard everything that is not you to embrace itIts not a bad thing though, right now you are like a naive person who is afraid of sex because its an unknown, you will get used to the experience rather quickly. You may even start believing your life before was hell in comparison if you had enough cognitive capacity left for such a thought
>>18083472No it doesnt, you still have the agency to get off the pleasure cube, you just wouldnt want to. Likewise, you have the agency right now to stab yourself in the eye, you just dont want toIf you call that a prison, you are already living in one
>>18083623> to get off the pleasure cube, you just wouldnt want toThats the entire point, it’s so pleasurable that theres like a 99% that you would never want to leave, and if you did, you would get massive withdrawal from not having pleasure 24 seven and dealing with real world suffering. Most drug addicts obviously have the literal agency to quit taking drugs, it’s just nearly impossible because of how addictive it is
>>18080970> think a lot of people arguing against the pleasure cube are imagining that they would get bored of it because of hits human behavior but I don't think technology won't be able to solve that feelingThe pleasure cube doesn’t make sense practically because you’re going to suffer one way or another. Boredom is a negative emotion, and you’re eventually going to feel it if everything you do is hedonistic, and the only way to fight against that is working towards a goal, but that will always cause suffering because humans prefer the path of least resistance and actually working towards something won’t be pleasurable 100% of the time
>>18084171the pleasure cube simulates goals and the journey though, or would negate the necessity for it
>>18084194> simulates goals and the journey thoughWhich inherently have a struggle to them, making you suffer along the way. Without a struggle, it’s not a real journey and your goals aren’ something you work to achieve
>>18084669Should it be called the Epicurean cube instead then? It will include optimized struggle to minimize suffering and maximize achievement.
>>18084693I guess that could work, video games (especially stuff like the SIMS) function in a similar way, where success and achievement are pretty clear and straightforward, even guaranteed. But for me, I’d probably be wondering why I should put any effort and work into something I know isn’t real when I could the same for something in the real world >inb4 but the achievementsIf I’m aware they aren’t actually real, it doesn’t matter. Maybe if I don’t know I’m in the machine, then I could accept it
>>18076653Human as evolved to deal with our enviroment.While it is possible to gain happyness and even a sense of meaning in a fake world and through the mean of drugs, it would do harm to our deeper intention.Take a new of Russell's example with the fox mother.
>>18076668>The entire point of being a higher being is to overcome lowly instincts>You are literally advocating for the death of ambition, the extinction of meaningThis need to "overcome lowly instincts", our concepts of ambition and meaning, they're all just a evolutionary mechanisms that were introduced at some point during humanity's existence, with the end goal of increasing the chances of producing off-spring. There is literally nothing any more "meaningful" about these concepts since pleasure too is just an evolutionary mechanism, and all of them share the same end-goal
Anyone who's ever done good Molly would enter the cube ( if the hypothetical includes being convinced it's safe and won't malfunction or kill you )
You're practically dead the moment that slopma enters your body Might as well smoke crack irl if you think it's a good idea(just buy few years worth of it beforehand)
>>18076653it's not makling me uncomfortable i just don't like idea. Same with cheating in games, ai slop and fake people. this is like this but to extreme. I praise effort, passion and accomplishmet. I actually have my own morals and it's keeping me going.
>>18080960If you don't get it you worship are a degenerate junkie them.
>>18076678But you don’t know what God wants you to do.
>>18084824Then why are humans allowed to evolve to the top of the food chain and not other animals?
>>18086573Because the real chads (dinosaurs) arent in the game anymore
Maybe it doesn't sit well with people because the historical trend has been technology revealing hidden complexities (cosmology, abstracted math, metaphysics) so such a reduction seems abrupt.
>>18086573There is nothing 'disallowing' other animals from doing so. It's just sheer chance
>>18077913need me a woman like this
>>18086406>ESL jabberingi can see why you would prefer the cube given your statistically probable standard of living
>>18086680But why does no other animals comes close in terms of intellect and perception? That can’t be sheer chance.
>>18086865>That can’t be sheer chance.good point, clearly there must be a village of magical pixies kind of like the smurfs that rule the universe womst dish out good and bad fortune based on their petty whims
>>18076653Let's be honest, the onyl reason people are vary of the pleasure cube is because it appears to take away agency. Everything we know of the world tells us that giving away agency to someone is a bad idea. If someone offered you infinite b pleasure for your agency, you know there must be a catch there.So let's frame it like this: you can buy a pleasure cube for an affordable price. You can set it up at your home, so you own it and can get out of it any time yiu want. Otherwise it works as in the original thought experiment, it takes care of all your needs and simulates all the pleasurable and exciting experiences you can think of.Would you buy and use one?
>>18086882Maybe. I personally read the Bible.
they have the pleasure cube in current year, anon
>>18076653Why does discomfort make you reach for the cube?
>>18087129>expensive>has a cooldown>feel like shit during the cooldown>feels less good each time you try it>destroys your bodyDollar store pleasure cube
>>18080706>shit movie made by tranniesthis is the chud equivalent of sifting through someone's twitter posts from 2010 to cancel them
>>18087158>destroys your body.you're confusing heroin with crack and or meth.the main downside of heroin is that it's expensive and makes you not want to do anything else, the reason people destroy their body on heroin is because they're too poor to keep up the habit. Caffeine makes you able to work longer, does that mean it destroys your body because you abuse it to make it through a work day?
>>18087162Man i vibe through all sorts of arguments but only druggies and christians call me out on my bullshit. Well atleast i learnt something
>>18087159false dichotomy. i said its a shit movie AND its made by trannies. Cope harder gaylord
>>18086564God wants me to be "a peasant" living in poverty being dominated and abused by sadists as he has made explicitly clear to me constantly throughout my entire life and continues to make clear to me constantly all day every day.
>>18087872You have ready access to food and electricity. You don't know what poverty is.
>>18087878No I don't have "ready access" to food idiot I can only eat what I'm given by a retarded sadistic abusive faggot who likes to do things like put cum in it and who thinks he can justify abusing me if I buy and eat any food because of the time I used my mom's chilli powder without asking her when I was 14, expected to view myself as "lucky" for not having my hand cut off for getting something without asking and only having any food they consider "desirable" violently gatekept instead, can't do things like turn lights on, wash hands after eating, or take showers without being harassed, abused, terrorized, threatened, sometimes get harassed for things like drinking water, using the toilet. You're a retard if you think other people being poorer than me means I'm not living in poverty, most people on earth have a phone or computer with internet access.
>>18078743>>18078719>>18078702nanomachines
>>18086865>That can’t be sheer chance.Okay.Why?Demonstrate how human intelligence is so uniquely positioned that it can't just have developed by chance. Because there are other animals that are very perceptive, have rudimentary concepts of "culture", can recognise themselves in mirrors meaning they have some of concept of personhood/an "I". In humans' case, we just entered a sort of lucky feedback loop around 5-3 million years ago, in which a gradual selection for intelligence opened up for more and more intelligence with which to select for it further. In evolutionary terms, 5 million years is nothing. There is nothing to suggest that it wouldn't happen again in the next 500 million years if humans weren't around to impede it
This first post: >>18076661 is like an example of someone whom the OP refers to...>It makes me uncomfortable because it makes me uncomfortable>>18080318Pretty much.>>18083497>You can avoid touching this pleasure in fear of losing your superficial fluff but if you ever get a whiff of it, the true you will not reject it and will discard everything that is not you to embrace itMy true self takes satisfaction and comfort from knowing that everything has been accurately solved and wrapped-up safely... "I can rest when I'm dead"
