Moslems claim that the Qu'ran was communicated to Muhammad by God through the angel Gabriel while he was in a cave (and nobody could see him), much like how Joseph Smith claims to have been visited by the angel Moroni. He would continue having "revelations" that invariably bolstered his own personal desires and would be used to justify his furtherance as a warlord.After receiving these revelations, he would repeat them to his followers, who would "memorize" them, or, sometimes, write them down on leafs, stones, animal skins, etc.The Qu'ran was first officially compiled over a decade after the death of Muhammad, by combining fragments which were written down, or memorized, because people were reciting differing versions of the Qu'ran, and it was viewed as necessary to compile it officially. However, there are earlier manuscripts which are known to contradict this authorized compilation of the Qu'ran.Within 20 years of Muhammad dying, there were already differences in the version of the Qu'ran which was supposedly memorized by people who had it personally communicated to them by Muhammad. Moslems however, believe that the Qu'ran is the unaltered word of God, as the first line of Surah Baqarah says “this is a book in which there are no errors.”The hadith are anecdotes (e.g. the anecdote of Muhammad being raped by al-Zutt) or sayings associated with Muhammad which are a central point of the Moslem religion. The earliest point that any hadith was written down was over a century or two after the death of Muhammad, making them even less reliable than the Qu'ran. All hadith are associated with a chain of transmission; none were written down by the person who first heard them.Virtually all historians and orientalists deny that any hadith can be considered reliable, due to the fact that the majority of them were first written down over two centuries after the death of Muhammad, relying on oral transmission, yet the Moslem religion is based around them.
>>18077318To be fair, the earliest copies of books of the New Testament we have are from decades after the crucifixion written by second-third hand sources so Christianity has the exact same problem there. That and Paul explicitly contradicting Jesus's assertion that his followers must follow the laws of the Tanach until the apocalypse (Matthew 5:18) in order to make the religion easier to proselytize to goyim.
>>18077341>That and Paul explicitly contradicting Jesus's assertion that his followers must follow the laws of the Tanach until the apocalypse (Matthew 5:18)This never happened though.What he IS saying though is that God's Word will remain on the earth forever.
>>18077318>much like how Joseph Smith claims to have been visited by the angel Moroni.There were witnesses to some of Joseph Smith's angelic visitations and there were witnesses to the golden plates, FYI.
>>18077318>Islam is the most retarded Religion Nobody will believe you if you call 2 Billion islamists mentally ill, not the other Abrahamist, the Atheist, or even the New-age pagans. You're on your own.
you only hate muslims because you are too insecure about yourselves you know deep down you are very wrong and everything you did led to you losing honor and dignity 2 words that became strange to you because of your worship to materialism and hedonism and fake empathy driven by your guilt toward jews that are themselves steering your own cultural destruction from regarding gay sex as normal to bringing in infinite immigrants to fuck your daughters
>>18077517I'm atheist with europagan larp tendancies and I also think Islam is the most retarded religion so thats two of your list wrong
>>18077531we are saudi oil trilionares not pakistanis sarr nooooo
>>18077551whatever makes you cope better retarded whitoid i can destroy you in any argument you bring
>>18077566*lights the Zutt signal*
>>18077569you will believe what you want to believe in even if i explained it and you will ignore what you want to because you know you would get jailed if you bring it up your whole country is Zogged out
>>18077569guess what religion most of these are from faggot>>29636734
>>18077387>This never happened though.That's literally how it happened.>>18077387>What he IS saying though is that God's Word will remain on the earth forever.No its not. Jesus was an apocalyptic eschatologist. He taught his followers to be baptized, repent of their sins, follow the Jewish laws (better than the scribes and the Pharisees) and they will enter the kingdom of Haven once God returns.
>>18077517Everyone does believe you're insane. You talk, look and act the part.>2 billionYou're not two billion (picrel) and even if you were your whole cult is based on the idea that quantity is no indicator of sanity.
>>18077387>What he IS saying though is that God's Word will remain on the earth forever."God's word will remain forever but you don't have to follow it tee hee!" is absolutely retarded reasoning
islam was ruined by the rampant cousin marriage part. a 1000 years of marrying first cousins in most of the middle east really fucked shit up lol it made most of them retarded AF
>>18077461>These witnesses? Joseph Smith's friends and family lolz
>>18078403>No_witnesses_megamind.pngActually there were plenty official and unofficial witnesses, many times more than Christ's ressurection and the authorship of the Quran combined, many of which signed affidavits of such and none of which ever recanted even after excommunication and estrangement from the church and Joseph Smith >NO! Those don't count because... They just don't!
>>18078515Nobody cares, you can't become a god. Isaiah already buck broke your fail religion millenniums ago.
>>18078521Your eisegesis does not invalidate the Restoration.
>>18078549Or just say that you and every other Mormon has no refutation and will never have a refutation for it. It's easier when you don't have to hurdle through a bunch of mental gymnastics to justify a false prophet.
>>18078643>Mormons have no refutation of X.Oh, so you admit you just haven't studied any Mormon theology, then. You can start there. Better yet, you can start by reading Isaiah 40-48 in its context and try to figure out what Isaiah meant by "God formed." (assuming you mean Isaiah 43:10)
>>18078676>Mormon theologyLaughingsluts.jpgWhere do mormons get these idiotic notions that people are interested in reading from them and would seek out their theology? No one needs to look into your deep interpretations and shiet to tell it's as bogus as scientology
>>18077318islam is also the most violent religion
>>18078243/threadMoe moe was a homo too
>>18077318Have you read the quran? It is one of the most retarded books ever.It really feels like it was written by a sadistic arabian warlord, someone like Genghis Khan but with much less style and much less cultured.
>>18077341Lol the Islamic hadith sources are hundreds of years removed. The gospels have eyewitness accounts written in living memory of the events.
>>18078243Turkics (actual islamic conquerors) have strict rules against inbreeding and cousin marriages.
>>18079243Islam falls apart without the hadiths. They are the only thing that holds it together. The quran is worthless garbage.
