>divide your country internally into autonomous ethnic nation states>it falls apart along the same bordersWhy didn't the Soviets and the Yugoslavs anticipate that?
>>18077966Why isnt Russia be split along ethnic lines too then?
>>18077966They also had ASSRs, anon. To answer your question, it’s because the commies were idealistic retards who genuinely believed communism is the end result of history and they’re building a utopia.
Imagine if they kept the arbitrary governorate borders
>>18077967the autonomous areas are too poor and far away from anything to survive on their ownand the ones that break away anyway... well Chechnya tried
>>18077966>>18077969Soviets hated Russians and praised minor nations. They wanted to kill everything related to Russian Empire.That's why.
>>18077968>they’re building a utopiaWeren't they building a utopia? They say people were kinder, more united and less racist in the USSR than now. And now we live like westerners: no feel of unity, atomised society, nobody cares about other people, awful crimes happening from time to time, people hate each other for belonging to a different ethnicity/religion or speaking a different language, massive inequality, you don't know the names of your neighbours despite living near them for 20 years etc. We all have found ourselves in a capitalist dystopia.
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>>18077971then why did they russify every republic of the soviet union
>>18077974Did they? Barely anyone speaks Russian in Tajikistan.
>>18077975Central Asia was a place to deport all the undesirables.
>>180779661. If they didn't give at least some autonomy to nation-states the soviets occupied, they would just repeat the fate of the empire and would have massive insurgencies for years to come2. They massively imported russians to the republics and generally tried to mix up the ethnic composition of potential "problematic areas", to suppress any attempt to break away based on the ethno-nationalist basis
>>18077976Depended on the republic. It was Kazakhstan for the most part. Nobody got deported to Turkmenistan. Tajikistan only got some Volga Germans to my knowledge, but only a fraction of the deported population. Uzbekistan had its own local population of Uzbek Jews, but they’re basically Mizrahim.
>>18077969>Russian republic>Poland Tsardom>Grand duchy of FinlandSovl
>>18077974More like muttify. Many nations were scattered across Soviet Union by the soviets. Russians are just the majority.
>>215891000If you russians love the soviet union so much, why did you dissolve it?
>>18077972They were kinder, because they were poor. They were less racist, because they didn't experience niggers.
>>18077966Soviets tried creating the "Soviet man" but it started too late.I've heard several late Soviets relate that they grew up referring to themselves as simply "Soviet", at most "a Soviet person of <ethnic> descent"
>>18077970It succeeded, actually. It was only after war 2 that they were folded back in. And they still have their own little autonomous dictatorship.
>>18077974Russificaiton is far more pre-Soviet.Soviet's policy was to literally push nationalization as a nessicary development for Socialism.Look at like Lithuania, if Pre-Soviet Lithuania existed today, it would be a country almost entirely Ashkenazi, Belarusian and Polish population wise.Half of Ukraine wouldn't even be part of Ukraine.Forced Russification is also often just copium for the fact that the average person saw Russians as far more "civilized" and pretigious back then, so they purposely dropped their local languages they saw as "hick" and wanted to Russify themselves. This is like Australian's spending every moment up to the 1970s going "no good sir, we are actually good englishmen, It's utter balderdash we are how we are depicted in the foreign newswire" Most Australians went out of their way to talk with a toff british accent.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m7GGKkVCFxYHere's a pretty good podcast episode where it explains how Russification was actually largely a bottom up process by people who saw St Petersberg and Moscow as posh "elite" of Eastern Europe.https://www.podbean.com/media/share/dir-e9v9g-1d975395
>>18077981Dissolution of the Soviet Union was top down. Most of the population opposed it. Even the Western kiddie fuckers and rapists at the eXile at the time admitted it. >My ambition was to liquidate Socialism, the dictatorship over all the people. Supporting me and urging me on in this mission was my wife, who was of this opinion long before I was. I knew that I could only do this if I was the leading functionary. In this my wife urged me to climb to the top post. While I actually became acquainted with the West, my mind was made up forever. I decided that I must destroy the whole apparatus of the CPSU and the USSR. Also, I must do this in all of the other socialist countries. My ideal is the path of social democracy. Only this system shall benefit all the people. This quest I decided I must fulfil.>I found friends that had the same thoughts as I in Yakovlev and Shevernadze, they all deserve to be thanked for the break-up of the USSR and the defeat of Socialism. - Gorbachev.
>>18078000>This is like Australian's spending every moment up to the 1970s going "no good sir, we are actually good englishmen, It's utter balderdash we are how we are depicted in the foreign newswire" Most Australians went out of their way to talk with a toff british accent.>Most Australians went out of their way to talk with a toff british accent.Fucking retarded take, Australians back then were almost entirely English, they spoke that way simply because they were that way.The stereotypical Australian accent has old cockney roots from very early settlers, your clip is in the 60s and involves upper class educated women, are you really that stupid you don't understand why they (obvious with more recent migratory roots) have a prestige accent?
>>18078002>Most of the population opposed itNo? The russians specifically were crying about dotational policies towards the republics, and how they would be better off without them. Also, the Bush administration was literally trying to SAVE the the ussr from falling apart, because they were so afraid about the nukes.
>muh ancient ethnic hatredsThey didn't anticipate it because for decades the system worked. Class solidarity and Titoism/Brezhnev Doctrine kept the lid on. It only blew up when the central power and ideology collapsed. No ideology, no money, no army = state go bye-bye. Simple as.
>>18077966Communism was super-popular at the time, even in the West. It was the new big thing. Clinging to ethnicity on the other hand was seen as cringe and outdated.
>>18077966They didn't anticipate it because they didn't anticipate collapsing at all.
>>18078002>Dissolution of the Soviet Union was top down. Most of the population opposed itGorbachev, the guy you're quoting, personally issued a full blockade of Lithuania when they tried to ratify the declaration of independence, and when they tried to leave the USSR he drove in the tanks
>>18078412>>18078002> muh gorbachevDissolution was signed by Yeltsin, Kravchuk, and Shushkevich. :|
>>18078420Of them three the biggest role in the dissolution undoubtedly belongs to Yeltsin. He was confronting Gorbachev directly throughout late 80s - early 90s, undermining the entire centralised power structure
>>18077972>They say people were kinder, more united and less racist in the USSR than now.Same goes everywhere else
>>18077966russians are dumb
>>18077974Stalin showed up
