>the only female philosopher in history>created the shitest philosophy ever
>>18081531>onlyDid we forget about Hytapia?
>>18081534non important
>>18081531>onlyDid we forget about Blavatsky?
>>18081551non philosopher
>>18081558If you're going to call Rand's slop fiction philosophy, Blavatsky's works should definitely count.
Fountainhead is good
>>18082884Are you a libertarian?Most philosophy people laugh at Rand. Most people laugh at libertarians.
>>18083006Isn't her philosophy "Yeah well we rich people are alright and can be allowed to do whatever the fuck we want?"I can see why it has it's own appeal like how Voltaire's "enlightened dictatorship" appeals to Authoritarians.
>>18081531Ive never heard of this bitch in my life, what was her philosophy?
>>18083636Behaving like a Jew is good
Why are people so offended by objectivism? I mean, it is one thing to disagree with this or that point, but to go "NOOO IT'S THE MOST HORRIBLE DUMB STUPIDY STUPIDY POO POO SHITTY PHILOSOPHER HECKIN' EVER" then not really explain why, it seems scripted.The central theme is true, if you look at "good causes" like BLM or trans rights, they often end up with a cult-like self-justified mentality that diverges from the cause, often branding the original grass roots movement enemies. You end up with demagogues trying to stifle debate and shun outsiders, you have to learn the ideology and virtue signal it perfectly or you are viewed with suspicion, and nothing is ever enough. These groups then go on to demand donations from their followers or rally their followers to demand institutions, corporations and governments make millions in donations and hire them as a "Diversity Equity Inclusion Manager" for $200k pa or something.Are these people not exactly like the "looter" characters in her novels? Are we to believe all these good causes, left wing or right wing, are not total scams? It seems to me all that money would be better spent on granting scholarships, building more classrooms, hiring more (actual) teachers, reaching out to black boys without fathers so they give up the gangster LARP and seriously consider the rest of their lives, that way more black boys from the inner city have an easier time getting into a good college. I mean, that is how I'd go about it, if I were given millions to spend and tasked with uplifting black lives. But of course that will never happen in reality the people begging, scrounging and manipulating for money the hardest are of the lowest moral character.
>>18083636Do you live under a bridge?
>>18083658>if you look at "good causes" like BLM or trans rightsRent free>hire them as a "Diversity Equity Inclusion Manager" for $200k pa or something.When was the last time you talked to an actual person, schizo?
>only female philosopher chuds can name>writes banger novels that shit on collectivism>entire philosophy is "don't be a parasite, think for yourself, and create value">manlets and incels seethe because she called out their moochingObjectivism literally just means having a spine and not pretending your failures are virtues. Still triggering commies 70 years later.
>>18081531>>created the shitest philosophy evermao's is worsedebbs is worse
>>18083006Rand despised libertarians, calling them the hippies of the right.
>>18083658they are pro slavery and they want to own other humans as slaves
>>18083062No, it is simpler. Private property is absolute, and your body is also your property. That's it. Anyone who has a problem with it wants to use your life to their own ends one way or another. They will never engage objectivism honestly because they need to pretend the initiation of force is somehow "moral when they do it".
>Destroyed Randism before it ever existed.>Destroyed the liberal conception of the self so thoroughly that the only cope individualists have is to seethe and cry about muh fascism. How was he so based?
>>18084327>gentile.jpgWhatcha doin' there, rabbi?
>>18084329Showing the Randcucks a real philosopher
>>18081531Her philosophy made TIK lose his mind, RIP
>>18084327So what was Giovanni Gentile' explanation as to why we must become cucks for the state? Why be a servant when you can become a liberalchad bvll instead and make millions?
>>18084354Because both you and the state exist as far as each other exists. You are nothing without the state and the state is nothing without the individual. Totalitarianism is the only form of government that recognizes that fact, and thus can be the only form of government that puts the need of the individual into any consideration>Why be a servant when you can become a liberalchad bvll instead and make millions?You are still a servant regardless of what you desire to be. And besides, if the State desires you not to have millions, you will not have millions.
>>18084365Totalitarianism is the opposite of a state that rules in the interest of the people. We must entrust a small group with absolute power while we have zero influence or at best a low rank in the party where we are expected to sit and shill for them or be sent to gulag.Democracy allows misinformed people to vote for socialists and has resulted in rampant degeneracy, agreed, but the Amish and Mennonites do fine, even in places like Belize. It really comes down to your individual merit and commitment, which Ayn Rand of course urges you to crank up to the max. The more people that do this the more the government will gravitate towards a better society, so ironically Ayn Rand is the path to the changes you want to see. I sympathise with /pol/ and the dream of a comfy aryan utopia, but they just sit and complain about trannies while doing nothing to accomplish it, they are lazy and just want to shitpost to blow off steam instead of using that steam to drive their engines. They should look into Hans-Hermann Hoppe.
>>18081531shes no a philosopher shes just a bad fiction writer
>>18084318Maoism is literally the foundation for modern conservatism. Class warfare between Rural vs. City slickers
>>18084534rural v urban predates mao by generations, retardooh and marx's ideology is also retarded
>>18084541Blaming shit on the degenerate city slickers and creating a mass movement of rural farmers to usurp them is Maoism, and conservatives basically copy Maoist tactics and rhetoric
>>18084545Thomas Jefferson wrote about the same shit, retardocity cucks have always been faggots
>>18084553No shit, and Thomas Jefferson fanatically supported socialist jacobins killing the rich and Christian’s in France. Almost like there’s a pattern here.
>>18084553Thomas Jefferson also didn’t call for a mass movement of rural people to seize control of society like Mao and modern conservatives do
>>18084553Rand was a city slicker Jewish cuckess
>>18084541>um killing landlords and richfag city slickers is actually right wing and traditional, chud!Based. I won't interrupt my enemies when they make a mistake (inadvertently supporting my political goals).
>>18084584>using an indian language slurGMS!!!>>18084556>>18084557yeah, jefferson was a based antisemite who correctly wanted to remove urbanites. mao was a jew who created a jewish monarchy to enslave the people
>>18084560she owned a plantation before the jews from moscow stole it from her to give to the jewish crown
>>18084491You have no idea what totalitarianism is you fucking retard.
>>18084365 Organizations are technologies, technologies are tools, tools are means to an end, All organization is a means to an end. If an organization contradicts its user, it's likeliness to fall is directly correlated to how much it contradicts the wishes of its users.>Zero(0) single World state when the world was the middle east, as Persia was beaten by the greeks>Zero(0) single World state when the world was the mediterrenean, as Rome was beaten by the Germans>Zero(0) single World state when the world was Europe as America beat them The moment it seems that the world state can be achieved, the world expands as it abides by the natural desire of humans to prosper instead of a self-destructive cuck to the collective. Goethe solves both communism, fascism and liberalism before they were even a thing. >I am a great believer in the Study of nature:It keeps you sane. Because what we are dealing with here is infinite and eternal truth, which has no time for anyone who is not entirely pure and honest in the observation and treatment of his subject. And i am certain that many of those made ill by dialectics would find healing in the study of nature.
>>18084594Jefferson was a philosemite who worshiped Jews
>>18084597The worst thing the Bolsheviks did was teach her to read and write
>>18084491Totalitarianism is democracy bar none, the shit lib argument has no ground against its sister sect. The problem instead stems from the fact that democracy is the murderer of Socrates and is, in reality, mob rule.It, alongside democracy, Platonism, communism and leftism in general, is against human nature, real hierarchies and in essence, reality itself. Which is why every time a society comes closer to any of these, they come closer to collapse. As they are in essence trying to get further and further away from nature and reality with obfuscations like hegelianism, middlesocietes like how the communist gets his prices/basis from a capitalist country a la the embargo argument or directly by saying the world is actually not real but what they conjure via gnosis is real. It's all a delusional cult of subjectivism that destroyed every society it infected, from Rome to America.
>>18081531She was a Jewish femcel jealous of Slavic girls beauty and popularity. Never trust a femcel to do anything but cooking and cleaning and even then keep her on the leash
>>18081531Any Rand was a 1920s flapper era Bohemian and Objectivism is not a cult, it’s more of a middle finger to the high society trends of the times.
>>18081531>GEM Anscombe>Philipa Foot>Hannah Arendt>Simone De Beauvoir>Mary Wollstonecraft>Harriet Martineau>Simone WeilJust off the top of my head
>>18084326How did Rand solve the "toddler who refuses to eat veggies"-paradox? At what point does force become okay to use?
>>18083062>>18084326 is wrong. Objectivism is the belief that one only lives for himself, and that altruistic policies (such as paying taxes to help the poor) are objectively "wrong". Add onto that a materialist interpretation of the world alongside a sloppy rationalist and eudamonic stance and you have objectivism.The philosophy in itself isn't bad desu, but her format is terrible and she really sucked at explaining things, sometimes making it questionnable that she even understood her ideas beyond just "le communism evil because altruist!!!".>>18083658>Why are people so offended by objectivism? Because it's typical lolbert stuff who thinks they've found the key to philosophy while lacking crucial and fundamental notions. To give you 2 examples, Rand thought that paying social security taxes was bad because it was "altruistic" policies forced onto you, yet, despite this, one could very well make the claim that it would be rational for *any* individual to benefit of healthcare despite whichever financial situation he may find himself in. Suddenly, despite keeping Rand's logic, you could easily argue for healthcare from an objectivist lens. Secondly, Rand's justification for why individuals are "rational egoist agents" is sloppy at best. Albeit most people implicitly agree with her, she very much fails at delivering a convincing narrative as to why this is the case.This is something you find with many lolbert thinkers btw. A lot of them simply have a very poor understanding of philosophy and appear pretentious when they try to systemize world-systems through their lens.>>18084491>Hoppe>RandShining example of what I was talking before. Both are delusional when it comes to understanding politics. Once you realize that it's rational to have a state, to have "socialist" policies, to have economic controls, the libertarian logic completely devolves (already kinda does as lolberts realize the importance of non-economic rights like the NAP)
>>18085375Ayn Rand is talking about interactions between adults sound of mind. Concerning children the usual rules of her time applied, people would get married in their early 20s, the wife would assume the role of the mother and the husband the father and they would raise the kid together.
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>>18085528>adults sound of mind.Right, so if I wanted to impose my will on others. All I need to do is to make up a story about how the people I disagree with are retardedEveryone already do this!
>>18085528>no but you actually do want to pay taxes and have healthcare, you just don't realize it yet !was it that simple to dismiss objectivism ?
>>18085109jefferson was a christian, faggot>>18085113and enslave all the people in russia
>>18085375>no I should be able to enslave you and take your guns and your labor and give it to a never ending sea of brown migrants>it's for your own good
>>18081531No one has refuted Quentin (pbuh) on objectivitsm
>>18086383that's incredibly ironic that quenton is arguing in favor of objectivism when quenton's face is the ozymandias actor from the 2009 watchmen film and he was the moore stand in and opposed to rorschach who was the rand stand in by way of ditko
>>18081534Tilapia
>>18086435The fun part is that moore's backfired and people actually liked Rorschach and tough he was on the right
>>18083658One reason is that Rand and her cult members act like her philosophy is entirely original when she was clearly influenced by philosophers like Nietzsche while denying it. The best summary of Objectivism I ever read was an anon on this board who wrote the following:>Imagine the entire history of Western philosophy as one long group conversation that has been taking place in a room. Ayn Rand is the person who bursts into the room and shouts a whole bunch of shit that everyone has said already. Everyone stares at her for a moment and then goes back to what they were talking about before.
>>18086380Just pay the fucking taxes. (eat veggies)
>>18088288Rorschach was objectively correct
>>18088644how does that benefit me? What benefit do I gain from my labor being stolen and used to enrich the democrat politicians, rich democrat donors, black welfare queens, illegal aliens and gun grabbers?
>>18085507It's entirely rational for the parasite to suck your bloodOr a fly to be attracted to shitNone of these things are rational for moral, decent men however>>18088464Dialectroon materialism is literally just hegel but materialist according to a philospher(criminally unemployed) of 1830Dialectrooning itself is literally just Socrates wank, Plato used to come up retarded bullshit like that all the time, to the point that he too got butthurt at a playwright calling him a liar, corruptor of youth and a lunatic. Nietzsche himself is just Schopenhauer but he didn't want to immediately kill himself and couldn't see through Hegel. As per Rand, she is a novelist first and an aristotelian second, among being Kantians, this is why lolbert sects traditionally refuse to intergrate objectivists>>18088644I prefer establishing the United States. Cheese is the best when it's made from untaxed milk as feds found out in the cheese room
>>18089139>None of these things are rational for moral, decent men howeverWhy not? Why shouldn't i just be a parasite if it benefits me? Why shouldn't my morality be based upon what benefits me alone?
>>18089223Because you have no inherent rights over other's property. This is why libertarians refuse objectivism as libertarianism is very firm it's legal basis of property rights. You morally and thus legally can't expect anything besides hostility if you want to be a parasite. >There us no original sin, man is born debt free
>>18089557>Because you have no inherent rights over other's property.I disagree. Give me your shit and let me be a parasite or I'll throw a brick at your head
>>18083006>philosophy peopleLol
Ayn Rand is eternally butthurt commies took away the future she EARNED of being married off to be some petite bourgeois failson's broodmare and violated the NAP by using collectivist trickery to force her to go to a prestigious university and become a world famous writer and philosopger
