Why did Jesus say "synagogue of satan"? Why didn't he say mosque of satan or church of satan?
>>18088337He was a Jew so synagogue is how he would call a church
>>18088342He would have also been familiar with temples or shrines, but he knew that gentiles go to Hell so he probably wouldn't have cared much for them
>>18088337He knew
He was a jew living in jewish lands and getting in verbal slapfights with other jews over his self-proclaimed status as a king of the jews and the anointed one as prophesied by jewish prophets, so treating "synagogue" as a default word for "a place of worship" seems pretty reasonable to me.
>>18088388No it doesn't because Christians believe he was omniscient. So either he would have mentioned just a generic "place of worship" like temples or more specifically churches and mosques if he meant it. Clearly he didn't so there is something specifically demonic about some synagogues according to the text
>>18088337It says "συναγωγὴ" (sŭnăgōgḗ) in the text which means a gathering together or an assembly in the Greek. So it's a descriptive word. Jews presumably called their gatherings that, as they frequently do now, as it's just the Greek word for it. Presumably a sŭnăgōgḗ could also be Christian.
>>18088337συναγωγὴ just means congregation/assembly. It's a Greek word that jews appropriated to refer to their place of worship.
>>18088337Because mosques and churches hadn't been invented yet
>>18088404>Christians believe he was omniscientbeing in human form clearly nerverd his powers. he had like a 99% debuff
>>18088342>christcucks are just finding out they're mere gentiles
>>18088366ThisRevelation 2:9 Message to the Church of SmyrnaI know your tribulation and poverty, but you are rich. I know the slander of those who claim to be Jews and are not, but rather are members of the assembly of Satan.Revelation 3:9 Message to the Church of PhiladelphiaBehold, I will make those of the assembly of Satan who claim to be Jews and are not, but are lying, behold I will make them come and fall prostrate at your feet, and they will realize that I love you.There are only seven churches mentioned in total and two of them are have this same problem.
>>18088342>how he would call a church"guys wtf are you doing this wasn't the direction I wanted to go this whole thing at all. and why is everyhting covered in fucking gold?"
>>18088337He was a jew and a rabbi at that.
>>18091572He was adopted by Judahites in secret because his stepmother was Glaphyra,- the widow of the Hasmonean heir that got killed and psyopped by the Herods. He had to live undercover in Galilee among Egypt-sympathetic post-Israelites and Galatians in order to evade the Pharisaic Judeans.
>>18088337
>>18089803He didn't have a problem with the Second Temple, just with all the jews infesting it and selling their kapparot pigeons
>>18088342the same text has the word 'church' thoughbeitHave you actually read the NT or are you just here bullshitting to push a certain false narrative?
>>18092926fixed that for you
>>18088337It wasn't him but>Mosque of satanDidn't exist yet>Church of satanHis own failures?
>>18092926/thread >The historian Eusebius of Caesarea was commissioned by the Roman Emperor Constantine and took responsibility for creating the official orthodox canon and by 331 AD the first 50 biblical books were canonized and delivered to the Churches of Constantinople. The original canon did not contain the Apocalypse of John (Revelation). Eusebius recorded the words of Dionysius, bishop of Alexandria, in the mid-200s, claiming that Revelation was a forgery. There were other scholars and writers from the first three centuries who were also recorded by Eusebius as testimony regarding the falsity and authenticity of the Book of Revelation and the involvement of a Gnostic Ebionite Rabbi named Cerinthus. A Christian sect called the Alogi claimed that it was clear that Cerinthus was the true author of the Book of Revelation after analyzing and comparing his writing style with that of Johnboo>According to the Catholic Encyclopedia Caius: "Additional light was shown on the subject VI, p. 397 "Caius maintained that the Apocalypse of John was the work of the Gnostic Cerinthus" Cerinthus, a man educated in the wisdom of the Egyptians, operated a school that followed and used the Gospel of Cerinthus. He denied that the Supreme God had made the physical world and denied the divinity of Jesus. Cerinthus was a follower of the Zealot party, a group that had a strong political agenda. The Zealots taught that a political Messiah -military soon appears to conquer the world and rule for a thousand years from Jerusalem
>>18088337Jesus didn't even speak english let alone predict that it would ever even exist, he wouldn't have said any of that.
>>18093164>Although Eusebius was certainly right that Polycarp's John was not the disciple John, the Gospel and Apocalypse of John appear to have had a long history together. They both appear to have originated with the Cerinthians and then got adopted by the Valentinians and only then got procured by the Presbyters of the Apostolic Church. Irenaeus said that the Gospel of John was written to refute the Cerinthians but he also said that it was used by the Valentinians. The earliest surviving commentary to the Gospel of John comes from Heracleon, a disciple of Valentinus. Rudolf Bultmann and Randel McCraw Helms both saw the Gospel of John having three different layers: 1) a Jewish Signs Gospel that listed seven miraculous signs performed by Jesus; 2) a spiritualized Gnostic version of John that was anti-Baptism and anti-Eucharist and emphasized that the Logos took on a spiritual body; and 3) an apocalyptic version of John that was pro-Baptism and pro-Eucharist and emphasized that the Logos took on a physical body that was physically crucified and resurrected>Although Bultmann and Helms assumed this evolution happened in the first century, the model makes more sense in a second century context: the Cerinthian Signs gospel was edited into a Valentinian version of John, then Florinus brought that version of the gospel to Rome where Irenaeus or a predecessor rewrote it into the version we know today. Irenaeus then assimilated Florinus' Valentinian figureheads, John and Polycarp, in order to open up the Apostolic Church up to the Valentinians, just as Mark had been assimilated for the Adoptionists, James for the Ebionites, and Paul for the Marcionites
>>18093120WE
>>18088337Because he spoke Greek and that's the Greek word for a gathering.
>>18093171WUZ
>>18093192ANCIENT JUDEANS
>>18093193N' SHIET
>>18093171>>18093192Not wewuzzing. Merely denying the identity of modern "Jews" with ancient Israelites. Christians, as a faith not an ethnicity, are spiritual successors of the Israelites.
>>18093171>>18093192>>18093193>>18093195>inb4 KhazariaKoestler was a literal jewish communist zioninst who made up this theory so he could claim the Jews are Europeans who didn't kill Jesus, to combat Antisemitism. People who believe the Khazaria crap are retards and their useful idiots.>A quote that shows the clear ethnic Jewish motivation of the popularization of the “Khazar theory” by Arthur Koestler. Koestler, the Jewish one time Communist and radical Zionist (Jabotinsky party member), is most famous for writing the book “The Thirteenth Tribe” which is one of the most quoted “proofs” of the “Khazar theory.”>His official biography, written by Michael Scammell, specifically quotes him on why he wrote “The Thirteenth Tribe.” His argument was that if he could persuade people that a non-Jewish “Khazar” heritage formed the basis of modern Jews, then this would be a weapon against European racially based anti-Semitism. “Should this theory be confirmed, the term ‘anti-Semitism’ would become void of meaning,” he said. According to Scammell, Koestler told French biologist Pierre Debray-Ritzen he “was convinced that if he could prove that the bulk of Eastern European Jews were descended from the Khazars, the racial basis for anti-Semitism would be removed and anti-Semitism itself could disappear.”>(Source: Scammell, Michael. Koestler: The Literary and Political Odyssey of a Twentieth-Century Skeptic, Random House, 2009, ISBN 978-0-394-57630-5, p. 546.)>The theory has sometimes been used by Jewish authors such as Arthur Koestler as part of an argument against traditional forms of antisemitism (for example the claim that "the Jews killed Christ")
>>18092828What does the original text actually say in place of the modern English word "church"?
>>18088440>>18088461>It's just a general term guys>He wasn't talking about Jews!>I will make those who are of the synagogue of Satan, who claim to be Jews though they are not, but are liars—I will make them come and fall down at your feet and acknowledge that I have loved you.
>>18093198>be archaeologist>dig around Sinai for decades>find literally zero evidence of millions of Israelites wandering for 40 years>Exodus not even once>read about Jericho walls falling from trumpet blast>actually check Jericho>city was already destroyed centuries before Joshua would’ve arrived>bible cope intensifies>open Bible>David and Solomon had giga-kingdom with gold, palaces, empire vibes>check archaeological record>barely find a few huts and broken pottery>“unified monarchy” my ass>see Philistines mentioned in Abraham’s time>they didn’t even exist yet>bible.exe has stopped working>global flood with Noah and zoo boat>geology and archaeology: “nah bro, never happened”>no flood layers, no mass extinction, no ark debris>boat story just vibes>look up ancient records from Egypt, Assyria, Babylon>expect epic Bible battles and plagues>records: “who?”>Bible getting ghosted by history>dig in Canaan>expect foreign Israelite invaders>instead find Canaanites slowly evolving into Israelites>“conquest of Canaan” was just a rebrand>analyze Hebrew texts>turns out most were written centuries after events they describe>tfw your holy book is historical fanficThe Torah scribes were so out of world who thought that Joseph (who would have lived between 1900-1800 BC according to Traditional Chronology) was the vizier of Ramses II (1200 BC) and that Abraham (2100-1900 BC) was a contemporary of the Chaldeans (626-556 BC).>"Then Joseph settled his father and his brothers and gave them a possession in the land of Egypt, in the best of the land, in the land of Rameses, as Pharaoh had commanded." (Genesis 47:11)The true historical basis for the story of Joseph ending up a slave in Egypt likely happened during the government of the successor of Ramses II, Merenptah, who conquested Canaan and boasted on his stele: "Israel is made waste, his seed/grain is none."
>>18093209The basis of the Joseph and Potiphar's wife story comes from the Egyptian story Tale of Two Brothers, which was penned during the reign of Amenmesses amid the tensions between this usurper king and his brother Seti II.Joseph rising from prison and becoming Chancellor over Egypt under Pharaoh at a time of cultural tension and famine was based on the foreign man named Baya that Pharaoh Seti II placed into power as Chancellor during a time of unrest and famine. The rest of that Biblical character came from Imhotep among countless others from varying Egyptian periods. Israel and his family coming into the land, once again inspired by the events during the reign of Seti II.Pharaoh Siptah killed Baya. A time of chaos fell over Egypt, with foreigners called Hyksos destroying Egypt's traditional religion and values, running the land into chaos. Skip forward to Setnakhte. He rounded these Asiatic people up, put some to work, banished the rest, restored the throne, until his son and successor Ramesses III purged the land amidst the collapse of the Bronze age - a time of plague, pestilence and darkness perhaps due to Hekla-3. THAT right there is the historical basis for the Exodus story.
>>18093206See:>>18093173Recall that Jesus tells the goy woman, a Semitic Aramaic ("Hebrew") speaker, that she is a dog and came for the lost children of Israel. That is, Greeks leftover after the Sea Peoples invasion.
>>18093211The Merneptah Stele takes place post-Exodus, which would mean if the Torah was true then Moses already established Israel. There's no way around this. If you assume that it's talking about Hebrews, then it would mean that Moses was lying and the Torah is wrong- there was no ktisis style settlement of Israel. If you accept that the Torah was correct, then it could not possibly be talking about the nomads in the Merneptah stele were led by a guy named Israel.Baya is the most likely candidate for the Shashu Overlord Irsu (which could be an Egyptian way of saying Isra as in Israel) and his followers. This is most likely the same story told by Manetho about Osarseph (with the Osar part being a variation of Isru) and the lepers. The details are also similar, they stole gold and valuables to hire Canaanite reinforcements and left them behind while fleeing Egypt. Manetho said Osarseph was Moses and others think it could also mean Joseph. The reinforcements they meant to hire are the former Hyksos in Canaan in the Manetho version.Twere still a mysterious people listed as Apiru still in the land of Egypt, including today's Deir El-Medinia, holding worker's strikes until eventually the other Ramesside kings either kicked the Apiru out, or let them go. Either way, at some point the Apiru, the Shasu and the Asiatics Setnakhte and Ramesses III expelled were driven into Cana'an by an impatient Egyptian army, as Egypt was dying a slow death.
>>18093209Okay, this one's a keeper. You're raising tons of points I've missed after years of study. Unbelievable.
>>18093216When they gathered in Canaan, these people got together, shared stories and memories, including the descendants of the Hyksos who had come out of Egypt in a grand Exodus five centuries beforehand. They all got together and formed the People of Israel, spinning their mish-mash of stories and faded memories into the narrative we have today.In other words, from the get go Israel has been a corporate fiction. They were never the people they claim to have been.>Israel Knohl recently proposed to identify Osarseph with Irsu, a Shasu who, according to Papyrus Harris I and the Elephantine Stele, took power in Egypt with the support of "Asiatics" (people from the Levant) after the death of Queen Twosret; after coming to power, Irsu and his supporters disrupted Egyptian rituals, "treating the gods like the people" and halting offerings to the Egyptian deities. They were eventually defeated and expelled by the new Pharaoh Setnakhte and, while fleeing, they abandoned large quantities of gold and silver they had stolen from the temples>Baya, also called Ramesse Khamenteru (died 1192 BC), was an important Asiatic official in ancient Egypt, who rose to prominence and high office under Seti II Userkheperure Setepenre and later became an influential powerbroker in the closing stages of the 19th Dynasty. He used to be possibly identified with Irsu (alt. Arsu, Iarsu, Yarsu) mentioned in the Great Harris Papyrus, although no contemporary source connects Baya with Irsu and the connection has since been disproven due to the differences in the years that they died>This name attributed to Moses, Osarseph, appears only in Manetho, and only in this text, in all ancient literature. Perhaps Osarseph is an Egyptian form of Joseph, in Hebrew Yosef, in which the letters Jo (of Jahweh) are substituted for Osar (Osiris/On), syncretized with Dionysus/Bacchus that the Greek-Romans called Yahweh
>>18093216>The Merneptah StelePretty sure that it's talking about Assyria, and the literal preacher and rabbi that discovered it were so giddy that they just stretched it out to mean Israel so they could gain repute from their finding. Assuming it's not just a forgery to begin with.
>>18093219>This name attributed to Moses, Osarseph, appears only in ManethoManetho worked with the people who wrote the OT though. I wouldn't be surprised if he was the ghost author of Exodus.
>>18093208Note how even here, is not all Jews who are described as "the synagogue of Satan". In before cope about how Christians wuz da REAL Jews.
>>18093239Jesus is literally saying there are fake, phony people calling themselves jews even though they are not. He's explicitly pointing at Semites and telling them they aren't jewish.
>>18093212>and came for the lost children of Israel. That is, Greeks leftover after the Sea Peoples invasionFalse and gay. In this same gospel, Jesus tells the apostles not to go after Samaritans (the people closest to the Ancient Israelites) and Gentiles. Are Greeks Jews now?>These twelve Jesus sent out with the following instructions: “Do not go among the Gentiles or enter any town of the Samaritans. Go rather to the lost sheep of Israel." (Matthew 10:5-6)>>18093223>>18093226I know you, you are the Scythianfag who uses screenshots of highlighted text from Wikipedia to try to prove that all Canaanite/Israelite archaeology is forgery, Phoenicians like Europa and others in Greek Mythology were Greek because of a architectonic pillar style and the Veneti (Balkanics) and Venedi (Slavs/Celts) have the same etymology and were the same people.https://desuarchive.org/his/search/image/Dkp8DmHPByXpq8kAf9tZLA/https://desuarchive.org/his/search/image/-ev4gAIQ-ENt5TMUIKHAjA/https://desuarchive.org/his/search/image/8bJ3mlwUud9_bz1Pphq9xw/
>>18093269>Are Greeks Jews now?Yes. What a stupid question. The Sea Peoples from Greece conquered the area of the Levant, were imprisoned under the pharaohs and enslaved. That's where circumcision comes from. The Egyptians even made a special note that the Achaeans already practiced circumcision so when they took prisoners they would take their hands. Even the temple signage was originally in Greek. The word Synagogue? Also GREEK. See:>>18093212
>>18093247>some people are fake therefore all people are fakeWE WUZ HEBREWS AND SHEEEIIIT!!!!!
>>18093269>Jesus tells the apostles not to go after SamaritansGee, I wonder if that's why the Canaanites LARPing as jews tried to genocide the poor Samaritans? You said yourself they were the closest to the ancient Isralites. AKA Greeks.
>we're pretending Greeks live in the Levant because of the sea people and not because of Alexander now
>>18093282>WE WUZ HEBREWS AND SHEEEIIIT!!!!!Literally what they sound like.
>>18093285Don't make me post the Greek columns found in Israel.
>>18093288You reckon those are Greek columns huh?
You made me do it. Now we need to post the pre-Macedonian columns leftover by the invading Greeks. Hey, did you know that Iudaea comes from the name Idaea? She was a Scythian princess you know. >>18093294>You reckonEven the neo-rabs supported by the Israeli government thought so. That's not me talking.
The bells are tolling c**nanite scum.
>>18093296>some psychopaths think they wuz sea rapists who wuz also Greeks>rather than the civilised Greeks under AlexanderWow, I litterally don't care what they think. Still not a Greek column even if you hallucinate some grooves on it.
>>18088337anon please I beg of you just please just use your fucking brain for once
>Why did Jesus say "synagogue of satan"?He didn't. The writer of Revelation wrote that Jesus said that, which is not the same thing.
>>18093239Let me get this straight. In this very thread we've gone from "He's not talking about Jews at all."to"Okay but He's not talking about all Jews."to"Christians just want to be Jews."What the actual fuck are you talking about you drooling fucking retard?
>>18094061When did I say he's not talking about Jews at all cunt?
>>18094074enough of you fucking people. no one speaks in earnest here. all lies. lost people. total waste of time
>>18094081>comes to the anonymous armpit of the Internet where everyone is operating on 15 different levels of irony at all times>cries about itFuck yourself rotten weak little faggot.
>>18093239>not all Jews are "the synagogue of Satan".Correct, all of them are that have not converted to Christianity.
