>I remember trying to sort out some shit about the Pontic-Armenian empires period leading into Roman rule in Syria. Specifically details on how the Seleucid empire ended.One Armenian account has some Cappadocian warlord conquer all of Anatolia and Greece in a acknowledged greatest empire in 500 years. He then dies of some disease on the march halfway back home, and then literally everyone just goes back to the geopolitical status quo antebellum.>A conquest allegedly greater than any since Alexander, completely unremembered by history since it ended as soon as it began and no one wrote it down except for some Syrian scholars whose works don't survive but a couple Armenian monks wrote it down a couple times.Does anyone have intel on this?
>>18094530This also sparked my curiosity:>For the Iranians in Asia Minor, "as perhaps everywhere", the fall of the Achaemenids "meant crisis". With the victory of Alexander and the emergence of Hellenistic successor kings, the Iranians in Caria and "probably throughout western Asia Minor" eventually started to adapt themselves to the changing situation. The Iranian presence to the west of the Halys River thus slowly started to fade. However, to east of the Halys River, things went differently. The Cappadocians had shown opposition to the invading Macedonians "from the beginning". After the defense of Halicarnassus, the Cappadocians participated in the Battle of Gaugamela (331 BCE) against Alexander, and even after the battle, they "rose up in his rear".https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kingdom_of_Cappadocia
>>18094530>>A conquest allegedly greater than any since Alexander, completely unremembered by history since it ended as soon as it began and no one wrote it down except for some Syrian scholars whose works don't survive but a couple Armenian monks wrote it down a couple times.Such a remarkable figure would still have been remembered as a legend
>>18094536You mean like the most redacted mythological figure of all time, Jesus?
>>18094530https://youtu.be/8EXtwBdH2Gk
>>18094542>>18094536Not saying it's literally him though. I'm saying that this is a plausible origin for proto-Christianity. "Jesus" may have been Monobazus II from the Talmud who was a poor general and a philosopher, and so everyone falsely believes Christianity is about him rather than whatever this movement his father/grandfather started.
>>18094553What we know about proto-Christianity (often called early Judaism) is that it appears to be written first in Greek, then translated to Hebrew. We know that these people practiced the Medean mysteries and consumed the purple. We know that this was first written shortly after Alexander conquered the east. Normally, theorists say that the the proto-Christian Septuagint was written by colonizers, but what I'm proposing is that it was the opposite, BUT it still wasn't simply "Judeans" doing this. It was leftover Persian/Parthian nobles.According to this one poster, they were concentrated in Anatolia, or Cappadocia specifically. I want to know more about this story.
>>18094530Gibbon thought they were all faggots but had good horses
>>18095132This is what chatgpt says.Mithridates VI until 85 BC, then Tigranes the Great until 63 BC.This must be the ancestry of Izates too. My noggin' is joggin'.
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>>18094530>no one wrote it down except for some Syrian scholars whose works don't survive but a couple Armenian monks wrote it down a couple times.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Armenia_(book)I'm wondering if this is the book he meant.
>>18097027This is interesting. According to this text, Edessa was a city built on a former military encampment which was used to defend the Euphrates from Rome.Some authors confuse Edessa, Adiabene, and I think another city I'm forgetting right now. It's not certain that this missing conqueror is associated with any of that per se, but it is something to look for.
>>18097799Map for context. the other city I was thinking of was Arbella, and there's the general region of Oshroene that gets mixed in too. We're basically talking about cities in northern Mesopotamia. Edessa is near the northern Euphrates and Adiabene is near the northern Tigris.
>>18097846>Adiabene is near the northern Tigris.In that image, it's just a region though, not a city.Here's what I found for Tigranes the Great:>Tigran decided to ally with Mithridates VI of Pontus by marrying his daughter Cleopatra. At its height, Tigranes' empire stretched from the Pontic Alps to Mesopotamia and from the Caspian Sea to the Mediterranean. With captured vassals, his lands even reached the Red Sea and the Persian Gulf. Many of the inhabitants of conquered cities were forcibly relocated to his new capital, Tigranocerta.>To create this city, Tigranes forced many people out of their homes to make up the population. Armenia at this time had expanded east to the Caspian Sea, west to central Cappadocia, and south towards Judea, advancing as far as the regions surrounding what is now the Krak des Chevaliers. This map places Tigranocerta slightly outside of it, but we're so close geographically.
>>18097937>Tigran decided to ally with Mithridates VI of Pontus by marrying his daughter CleopatraWait a tick.- Tigranes the Great dies in 55 BC married to the daughter of the Pontic Empire's king, Mithradates the Great (Mithridates Eupator VI).- Mithridates the Great died in 63 BC, meaning there was an 8 year span where theoretically, the Armenian king of kings had unified the crown of the Black Sea area and Mesopotamia and Iran (former Assyrians, former Persians). This map shows how much Mithridates the Great conquered in his time. Dark purple is the land owned before him, and light purple is the land owned after him.The question is, did Mithridates have a son who took over instead, or were these thrones genuinely combined?
>>18097955https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pharnaces_II_of_PontusPharnaces II of Pontus was apparently the immediate successor. According to the Romans, they annexed the land immediately after defeating and killing Mithridates the Great in 63, which is when Pharnaces II took rule.I wonder if he was viewed as a fraud because the land did not truly secede to the Romans, so according to greater Pontus-Armenia, the true king was Tigranes the Great.This then continues into his grandson who's leading a rebellion against Rome that is remembered as the census revolt of Judas of Gamala in 6 AD, and the whole rebel Jew narrative comes from this. It's Mithridatic-Armenian nobility descending from Ptolemaic, Seleucid, and other important bloodlines of the period.
>>18097977OH, so the bible is about the mithridatic mysteries, except the nasty parts are covered up (see: Ammon Hillman).
>>18097977>His younger son, Pharnaces II, backed by a disgruntled and war weary populace, led a rebellion against his father. This betrayal, after the decisive defeat in battle, hurt Mithridates more than any other and seeing his loss of authority he attempted suicide by poison.So clearly, this is a division in claims to the throne of Pontus. Pharnaces II would obviously disqualify himself for authority to anyone who was loyal to Mithridates the Great and possibly even Tigranes the Great, since he did fight in this Mithridatic War too.
>>18097998See pic for a chatgpt answer.>In approximately 120 BC, the Parthian king Mithridates II (r.124–91 BC) invaded Armenia and made its king Artavasdes I acknowledge Parthian suzerainty. Artavasdes I was forced to give the Parthians Tigranes, who was either his son or nephew, as a hostage. Tigranes lived in the Parthian court at Ctesiphon, where he was schooled in Parthian culture and language. Tigranes remained a hostage at the Parthian court until c.96/95 BC, when Mithridates II released him and appointed him as the king of Armenia.So, Tigranes the Great lived in Parthia (Ctesiphon, which is just a little ways south of Adiabene, as shown in the map posted earlier) from ages 20 to 45. Basically his whole adulthood.I wonder if there's any way he would have a claim to Parthia at some point in his life. A second wife? Maybe Armenia simply is part of Parthian homeland?Here's some bloodline info for Mithridates the Great:>Mithridates was a prince of mixed Iranic and Greek ancestry. He claimed descent from Cyrus the Great, the family of Darius the Great, the Regent Antipater, the generals of Alexander the Great, as well as the later kings Antigonus I Monophthalmus and Seleucus I Nicator.
>>18098029Another weird coincidence is that Mithridates the Great's brother was known as Chrestus. Mithridates Chrestus. So special was Chrestus and his brother that they were both honored by Dionysus on the greek island of Delos.>In 116 BC/115 BC, Chrestus and his brother were honored by Dionysius, the gymnasiarch on the Greek island of Delos. Another dedication survives in Athens, by a gymnasiarch of statues of Chrestus and his brother to the Greek Patron God Zeus on behalf of Chrestus and his brother apparently in recognition of his aid to sailors and traders. Chrestus was favored over Mithridates the Great.>His father was assassinated in about 120 BC in Sinope poisoned by unknown persons at a lavish banquet which he held. In the will of his father, Mithridates V left the Kingdom to the joint rule of his mother, his eldest brother Mithridates VI of Pontus and himself. As Chrestus and his brother were underage and thus unable to rule, their mother retained all the power as regent. She favored Chrestus over his elder brother.It's unclear what happened here.>Mithridates VI escaped from the plotting of his mother and went into hiding. Between 116 BC-113 BC he emerged from hiding, returned to Pontus and was hailed King. He was able to remove his mother and Chrestus from the Pontian throne and become the sole ruler of Pontus. >As sole King, Mithridates VI showed clemency towards his mother and brother, by not executing them. He did, however, imprison both of them. >Laodice died in prison of natural causes. >It is unclear whether Chrestus also died in prison from natural causes or was later tried for treason and then executed on the orders of Mithridates VI. >When they died, Mithridates VI gave his mother and brother a royal funeral.
>>18098056Quick reminder: Laodice is a Seleucid princess. This solidifies a connection between the Seleucids and the Pontic elite. >Mithridates I Ctistes (Greek: Mιθριδάτης Kτίστης; reigned 281–266 BC), also known as Mithridates III of Cius, was a Persian nobleman and the founder (this is the meaning of the word Ctistes, literally Builder) of the Kingdom of Pontus in Anatolia.Apparently the Pontic Empire was Persian at the royal level. Looking a little into that family, it goes back to governors in Anatolia from the Persian Empire. Basically Greek satraps of Cyrus.Ariobarzanes is the grandfather.>Ariobarzanes is called by Diodorus satrap of Phrygia, and by Nepos satrap of Lydia, Ionia, and Phrygia.>Demosthenes speaks of Ariobarzanes of Phrygia and his two or three sons having been made Athenian citizens. He mentions him again in the following year and says that the Athenians had sent Timotheus to his assistance; but that when the Athenian general saw that Ariobarzanes was in open revolt against the Persian king, he refused to assist him. So, again, it's these greek people in the Pontic region, formerly of Athens and Ionia and Cappadocia, who ally with a member of the Artaxiad dynasty (who lived in Parthian territory during much of his adulthood).The Artaxiads come from the Orontids, and the Orontids supposedly come from the Achaemenids.>Some historians state that the Orontids were of Iranian origin, and suggest that it held dynastic familial linkages to the ruling Achaemenid dynasty. Throughout their existence, the Orontids stressed their lineage from the Achaemenids in order to strengthen their political legitimacy.An Iranian King Arthur?>The name Orontes is the Hellenized form of a masculine name of Iranian origin, rendered Eruand (Երուանդ) in Old Armenian (Yervand in Modern Armenian).
>>18098153More Orontids:>Their presence in Armenia is traced back to Orontes I, Satrap of Armenia in 401 BC, or further back to his ancestor Hydarnes, in the last quarter of the 6th century BC (see below).>Other historians state the Orontids were of Armenian origin, while according to Razmik Panossian, the Orontids probably had marriage links to the rulers of Persia and other leading noble houses in Armenia, and states their Armenian ethnicity is uncertain. Soviet Armenian historian Suren Yeremian writes that the Orontids were an Armenian dynasty based in the area around Lake Van, the former center of the Kingdom of Urartu. He argues that the Orontids established their rule in the Urartian capital Tushpa in 6th century BC, as that kingdom was collapsing. They expanded to other parts of Armenia to form the first Armenian kingdom. Per Yeremian, the Orontids originally came from the vicinity of Musasir (in modern-day northern Iraq), but because of the forced relocation policies of the Urartians, they came to form an Armenian enclave in the Hurro-Urartian-populated region around Lake Van.
>>18098153This Phrygia + Persia combination is a connection between "Mithraic mysteries" (Mithridatic) and 3 Wise Men (Magi).
>>18098153>Ariobarzanes is called by Diodorus satrap of Phrygia, and by Nepos satrap of Lydia, Ionia, and Phrygia.If we say this is all Pontic territory, then we might ask if Apollonius of Tyana is of Pontic nobility. Tyana is in Cappadocia. See map.Here's something else interesting about Tyana:>It was the capital of a Luwian-speaking Neo-Hittite kingdom in the 1st millennium BC.I wonder if the Hittites become the Persians, and that's how the Persians are connected to the Orontids people.
>>18098186>I wonder if the Hittites become the Persians, and that's how the Persians are connected to the Orontids people.It looks like Cyrus the Great, founder of the Achaemenids, comes from a Median Princess and Elamite king.>Cyrus was born to Cambyses I, King of Anshan, and Mandane, daughter of Astyages, King of Media, during the period of 600–599 BC. The Median Kingdom is where we get the Medean rites, I think.>The frequent interference of the Assyrians in the Zagros region led to the process of unifying the Median tribes. By 612 BCE, the Medes became strong enough to overthrow the declining Assyrian empire in alliance with the Babylonians.The Medes are basically formed during a civil war in Assyria.>Media (Old Persian: 𐎶𐎠𐎭 Māda; Greek: Μηδία Mēdía; Akkadian: Mādāya) was a political entity centered in Ecbatana that existed from the 7th century BCE until the mid-6th century BCE and is believed to have dominated a significant portion of the Iranian plateau, preceding the powerful Achaemenid Empire. Note that Ectabana is directly east of Assur and approximately where Adiabene was. Adiabene thus may be Median/Assyrian.
>>18098227I get the feeling there's something bigger than even the thread's title indicates. I think we're talking about a hidden empire that lasted a millennium but went by many names and was sometimes ruled by multiple independent sovereigns. These houses become unified and then separated. If we track royal lines instead of "nations", we only end up with so many royal families for basically the whole 1st millennium BC.
>The Neo-Assyrian Empire was the fourth and penultimate stage of ancient Assyrian history. Beginning with the accession of Adad-nirari II in 911 BC, the Neo-Assyrian Empire grew to dominate the ancient Near East and parts of South Caucasus, North Africa and Eastern Mediterranean throughout much of the 9th to 7th centuries BC, becoming the largest empire in history up to that point.Adad is the name of the first Neo-Assyrian king. They say that half of the early Jews worshipped Moloch and half worshipped Baal Hadad. Perhaps Baal Hadad is Assyria, and Moloch is Babylon, if Moloch is Marduk.
>>18098153>AriobarzanesBased Zoroastrian name by the way. "He who exhalts the Aryan race"
>>18098346>Baal HadadIn Egyptian, Baal Hadad is Set, which means the Set-worshipping Hyksos rulers were Setians, or Scythians. "Baal (Hadad) worshippers" = Scythian.
>>18098167"3 wise men" is a jewish/xtian lie and "mithraic mysteries" is a roman heresy.Ohrmazd reigns supreme!
>>180983703 Wise Men are also known as 3 MagiMagi was a term for Zoroastrian priests, and they are still remembered as from Persia in Armenian Christianity, unlike fictionalised German idea of them being 3 Kings, and one of them being African.Zoroaster was supposed to return twice, with final coming being for the end times.Lot of Biblical stuff was influenced by Persians after the Babylonian captivity, most likely Hell and Messianic prophecies among them.Jesus was second coming of Zoroaster.
>>18098429No on all counts.I am Zoroastrian (no, not "larping").And the Saoshyant is meant to some from the seed of Zerdeşt, not a reincarnation. And there are 3 promised Saoshyants until Frashokereti, none have yet to come.No, a jew nailed to a stick is not a Saoshyant
>>18094542>tips fedoravery enlightened gentlexir. you're well on your way to becoming a full-fledged grand wizard
>>18094530>no ports>empirelol and lmaoif you aren't on the sea, you aren't sovereign
>>18099179Ya, I think it was the Pontic Empire combined with old Assyria by way of Persia.
>>18098353Idk, this seems highly speculative. I've seen some authors make this leap though.
>>18094536>>18094542Jesus' stepmother/ally Glaphyra was a lunar princess descended from the shrines at Comana, a place that Caesar himself also visited. Her descendants is why Armenia turned christian immediately, as she was the widow of the Hasmonean heir that the Herods had psyopped into becoming their own claim.The Armenian church = Priesthood of Comana through Glaphyra, that acknowledged John the Baptist as new high priest, followed by Jesus as opposed to the Herod-collaborating Pharisees.Juba II through his concurrent marriage with Glaphyra and Cleopatra Selene II used his authority as the senior male of the southern mediterranean to assign John the Baptist as new high priest (while still in the womb) of his new wife Glaphyra's oppositional reinstation of Israel against the Herods.Picrel is Lucas' nod towards Juba II having Glaphyra, Cleopatra Selene II as well as Augustus' close family females as allies and scholarly pupils."Ahsoka" is technically one of these alter ego clones, as she is based on Cleopatra Selene II.George swapped the age-difference between Juba II and Glaphyra though, to avoid Anakin having two loli brides, and instead having one of each to properly portray his moral neutrality and not some sexlord pedo.
>>18101307>while still in the wombof Elizabeth,- Glaphyras senior female Judahite subject. Mary being her niece, making Jesus next in line despite being adopted from Cleopatra Selene II that "died" close after Juba II married Glaphyra.
>>18101307>Priesthood of ComanaInteresting. This was unified with the Egyptian Pharaoh in Berenice IV.
>>18101307I'm trying to get these generations right."Archelaus of Cilicia" is the sister of Glaphyra. His father "Archelaus of Cappadocia" was married to Pythodoris of Pontus, the queen regent of Pontus. It is believed that she is either a daughter or niece of Marc Antony. His father is also Archelaus and a priest-king of Cappadocia. He married Berenice IV.His father is also Archelaus, also known as Comana, the namesake of the whole kingdom. He was a general in the Pontic Empire's great pirate army. The one that caused fits for essentially everyone. They were at the peak of their brief empire.
>>18101613So, Glaphyra married Juba II, and their son was Ptolemy of Mauretania. But I think this is a confusion. It would be Glaphyra's step son through a different marriage that was somehow also seen as the son of Juba II by association. Juba II had no children with Cleopatra Selene so it would be maybe a little weird if had them with Glaphyra.Her step son was still her blood because he came from his brother, Archelaus of Cilicia, who briefly married a Herod princess, producing Herod Archelaus.Was Herod Archelaus Jesus?That would mean Glaphyra had three sons with Alexander (son of Herod) and her third marriage was to her brother's son Archelaus (son of Archelaus of Cappadocia and probably Pythodoris. This was how Herod Archelaus inherited "Herod" (through Alexander, who died in 7 BC).We need a connection to more. We should be overlaying the Parthian and Assyrian (Adiabene) states onto it.
>>18101645>Was Herod Archelaus Jesus?In other words, Archelaus of Cilicia and Herod Archelaus are the same person.
Ok, it seems like the essential story is generals from the army of the Pontic Empire — who were related to important Roman, Greek, Armenian, and Parthian families —developed a mystery school essentially known as mithraism that is remembered as christianity, but the story is distorted and made to be about a guy in Judea, when it's clearly about much more than that. The guy was actually in Assyria (Adiabene).Or rather, Adiabenans (Assyrians) were in Osroene, if Monobazus I is Abgar V, who is king of Edessa of Osroene. "Helena of Adiabene" is Musa of Parthia, who is presumably Glaphyra? Is that possible?
>>18101657So, there's a group in Syria (Osreone), in the city of Edessa, with a mixture of old Assyrians (via Armenian and Parthian) and Pontic elite wealth/power/knowledge. That is the origin of Christianity. Herod Archelaus is recognized as king of Judea by Rome, but he is deposed in 6 AD. This is the year of the tax revolt by Judas of Gamala. That's why they deposed him.At this point, he flees north into Syria, starts a small kingdom in Osroene. They later fight Rome during the "Roman-Jewish" wars, and they ultimately lose, but some of the elite families escape.
>>18101673If this is true, I'm trying to think why Josephus would say that the Osroene guys would be "sons of Ptolemy".
>>18101678I guess that would be true through Berenice IV, the grandmother.
>>18098444i have parsi ancestors in my great-grandfathers generation and the preceding, how can i engage with your religion? always interested me
>>18098227>Median/AssyrianI hope you're saying Median or Assyrian in contrast, because the Medians hated the Assyrians and the Assyrians tried to genocide them.
>>18101688The typical narrative of everyone = 3 secret identities is the kind of cope people need to stop talking about Juba II.He was placed in Galilee while babysitting Gaius Caesar (more or less the inspiration for Ben Solo) specifically to mediate and monitor this political mess, as he outranked all of them as the adoptive little brother of Augustus. He was however only an equestrian by rank, as was the meme about this lineage of horse-obsessed sportsmen of this branch of the Massyle tribe.Anakin being a podracer = a nod towards Mastanabal the Olympian gold medalist equestrian, and his descendants larping as great horsemen. Thus also the meme of Anakin not being granted the rank of master, because his lineage was but a glorified equestrian puppet of Augustus/Palpatine.
>>18101702Well, literally just go to a fire temple, assuming you have any nearby, or engage with the online community. Yes, this includes the Zoroastrian subreddit, or the Zoroastrian discord.The Fire Temples in the western world are a bit weird; if you run into a very conservative Parsi led one, they may give you a hard time should you want to convert, bit any other would be more than happy to accommodate you
>>18102294If this was true then George Lucas would not have been able to shut up about it. He said that Palpatine was Richard Nixon and the Ewoks were the Viet Cong, he wouldn't have held back about Anakin and Padme being the true heirs of the Maccabees or whatever.
>>18102886George Lucas 100% said that he was telling old stories. Can't remember the exact phrase, but it was something like "putting new life into old myths".
>>18102294>The typical narrative of everyone = 3 secret identities is the kind of cope people need to stop talking about Juba II.I'm not following what this phrasing means.
>>18102886Anakin Skywalker is a literal pun on Enochian... Skywalker.. because you know, Enoch is he who walked in heaven. Like in George Lucas' lore.Anakin is a syncretism of the biblical protagonist overall, but specifically Juba II in a name that implies him being an heir of Enoch.To imply that Lucas was unaware of his own obvious parallells is to suggest that he's even dumber than you are.
>>18103263Is Juba II not the son of Juba I? Seems like a completely separate bloodline. Not to mention, very far from Armenia and Syria.However, I could see how Mauretanians could have a connection to Phoenicians and the Pontic Empire, since it's all coastal/naval.
>>18103282some retards have pushed the false notion that Juba II was one of Herods sons because they don't like the fact that he married Glaphyra and thus made her more senior than the Herods.Glaphyra already had a claim due to rule due to being the Hasmonean widow, and when Glaphyra stepped in for Cleopatra Selene II to be Juba II's lunar wife when CS2 died/abdicated/both. Juba II doubled down on this and used his marriage to fuck with the Herods by declaring a high priest separate from the Pharisees, which is the real reason they killed John the Baptist.It was the senior of Egypts job to assign the high priests of the Nile Delta where Israel came from, which is why Juba II knew he had this authority through his marriage with CS2 which was concurrent with the one with Glaphyra.It was not common to have many wives as a Roman nobleman, but the Numidians which he descended from tended to allow it.
>>18103557Ok, so Ptolemy of Mauretania is still son of Juba II (an actual Numidian, son of Juba I) and Cleopatra Selene II. He is fostered by Glaphyra, who is the sister of Archelaus the High Priest King of Comona (I think this is the one some sources call Archelaus of Cilicia). That latter guy is the historical Jesus.That being said, some people were pissed about this. For one, the conflict with Juba, and then Ptolemy, was real. I'm wondering if Ptolemy could be the author of the Gospel of Thomas? He was a famous writer. He also married Julia Ourania, who I think is the daughter of Jesus (or thereabouts)?I guess my next question, for clarification (if you know), is if Archelaus the high priest king of Comona, the brother of Glaphyra who married Juba II, was also Apollonius and Izates.I'm also wondering if one of the main points of confusion is between Ptolemy of Mauretania and Archelaus of Cilicia, because Ptolemy was connected to Glaphyra as foster son and Archelaus was the brother, but Ptolemy was also connected to Ptolemaic Egyptian nobility and Numidia Massylii. If you may, clarify both of their roles in this.
>>18103644Bump till the morning
>>18104314>who I think issimply not gonna entertain other peoples headcanon while discussing psyopped history. sry.stick to facts or go back to slurping judeochristian slop.
>>18105076Ok, Julia Ourania is the daughter of Ptolemy of Mauretania, who was the stepson of Glaphyra. Again, Ptolemy of Mauretania is the son of Juba II and Cleopatra Selene, I don't have a lot to connect him to Judea except for the fact that his dad Juba was setting up that priesthood of Comona to be priest-king of Jerusalem.Adiabene had brothers Izates and Monobazus. Presumably, Izates descends from the male Archelaus line, and this same male line produced a daughter (Glaphyra) who adopted a grandson of Cleopatra VII, one of the last living Ptolemies.I don't think Ptolemy could be either Adiabene brother, but he could still be a very important player. >In choosing her son's name, Cleopatra Selene II created a distinct Greek-Egyptian tone and emphasized her role as the monarch who would continue the Ptolemaic dynasty. She by-passed the ancestral names of her husband. By naming her son Ptolemy instead of a Berber ancestral name, she offers an example rare in ancient history, especially in the case of a son who is the primary male heir, of reaching into the mother's family instead of the father's for a name. This emphasized the idea that his mother was the heiress of the Ptolemies and the leader of a Ptolemaic government in exile. >The Kingdom of Mauretania was one of the wealthiest Roman client kingdoms, and after 24, Ptolemy continued to reign without interruption. In late 40, Caligula invited Ptolemy to Rome and welcomed him with appropriate honors. Ptolemy was confirmed as king and an ally and friend of the empire, but he was assassinated by the order of Caligula. This might actually be something that caused the revolution against Rome, later turning into the so-called Jewish-Roman wars. So in a sense, Ptolemy is the sacrificial king Jesus. Izates may have lived much longer. If that's Apollonius, then we know he lived close to 100 years old, and some people think he went to England (also ancient Phoenician territory).
>>18106047>Juba wrote a number of books in Greek on history, natural history, geography, grammar, painting and theatre. He compiled a comparison of Greek and Roman institutions known as Όμοιότητες (Resemblances). His guide to Arabia became a bestseller in Rome. Only fragments of his works survive. He collected a substantial library on a wide variety of topics, which no doubt complemented his own prolific output. Pliny the Elder refers to him as an authority 65 times in the Natural History and in Athens, a monument was built in the Gymnasium of Ptolemy in recognition of his writings.Ok, I was wrong. It was Juba II who was the great scholar, not Ptolemy.It seems like the Bible is a Mithraic work of these people. First written in Greek, transcribed to Hebrew around the earliest days of the post-Persian order of Judea, and adopted a second time in Hebrew (with added books) around the time Rome was consolidating control in the East and turning these sovereign states into provinces.I'm wondering if the Gospel is actually talking about Ptolemy, but Archelaus was the bigger leader. At least in the sense that he lived longer, and he governed more and ultimately was a larger part in the later insurrection against Rome.It may be that when we get Dead Sea Scroll gospels, we're getting Archelaus, but when we get the Roman "gospel" (largely via Paul), we're getting Ptolemy.
>>18106058>we're getting Ptolemy.I wonder if Pontus Pilate is actually following Calligula's order (while blaming it on Pharisees), and being hung on the cross was how he was "murdered", but he survived and went to England at that point.One of the key distinctions with his supposed death on the cross is that it occurred during a lunar eclipse, which is known to have happened in 30 AD and 33 AD in Judea, right before Passover.https://biblearchaeology.org/research/biblical-chronologies/4517-how-lunar-and-solar-eclipses-shed-light-on-biblical-eventsEdessa is about even with Arbil on this map of the eclipse.
>>18106086Map related. Cilicia, Arbela, Edessa, and Adiabene are all about even.
>>18106090Romans record Ptolemy's death as 40 AD, which is a 7 year difference, but maybe this can be explained by the creation of the Julio-Claudian calendar, which was the recreation of our time system in keeping with this Mithraic (?) rite that produced Jesus.
>>18106099If this is true, then I do find it interesting that the Julio-Claudian calendar supposedly started in 45 BC but the "Jesus calendar" (solar/astrotheological calendar) started about 45 years later.>The Julian calendar was proposed in 46 BC by (and takes its name from) Julius Caesar, as a reform of the earlier Roman calendar, which was largely a lunisolar one. It took effect on 1 January 45 BC, by his edict.
