Why did the Southern US end up so backwards compared to the rest of the country? Was it due to the Civil War and its aftermath? Lack of educational and cultural institutions compared to the north? An overreliance on an agricultural economy?
>backwardsThe South founded America. Without Southern men pushing the frontier westward america wouldn't exist. The sons of Walter Raleigh and Francis Drake created america not the sons of yankees. The South was always more advanced. It gave america jefferson and washington, poe and faulkner. And Southerners are the only americans left who cluster to their anglo forefathers >le south was poor and full of poor white trashThe South was RICHER and MORE SOCIALLY MOBILE than the North. In the South poor smallholders like Andrew Jackson and Bedford Forrest became extremely rich through slave trading meanwhile in the north factory workers had no chance of getting wealthy.
maybe free blacks are bad for the economy
>>18095194North Korea is poor because it lacks a port. Likewise the south lacks a port and anything else. His is retard board so it asks why is country poor. Correct question is the opposite. Everything is poor, the reason things are rich are density and port.
My controversial opinion:the government should napalm the entire country south of the Mason-Dixon Line. These inbred hillbillies mountain people don’t deserve rights or life.
>>18095164White trash can't create much.Especially when they vote against their interest.
>>18095164The latter. Overreliance on agriculture. Being devastated in war and having their primary economy rugpulled without replacement also fucked it up severely.
>>18095164might have to do with most blacks living there
>>18095164God hates Baptists and punished them for it.
>>18095406Indeed, Moshie!
>>18095164Is it really that bad in the South? Like, it tends to be more rural, and wealth flows to major cities, so it'd be poorer on average than NYC or Phillie. But would it be poorer on average than upstate NY or PA?
>>18095194>It gave america jefferson and washington, poe and faulkner.Correct post. It is common knowledge that literally NO ONE culturally or historically important, ever, came from say New York.>The South founded America.Also correct. They famously dumped all the tea in Charleston Harbor.
>>18095617Yes. The rural South is by far the most impoverished areas in the entire country. Rural/small town PA is a paradise compared to rural/small town MS or LA.
>>18095164The Southern US isn't even the poorest region in the US, it's the areas in and around Appalachia. That's where it's the poorest
>>18095164the south is poor because it was founded by failed aristocrats that wanted to preserve a feudal society despite bourgeois society being clearly superior to it. everything wrong with it traces to its settlement by cavaliers or their descendantsthey established a landed aristocracy that relied on slave-worked plantations with a modest population of poor freemen to do tasks too complex to trust the slaves to carry out. mechanization and industrialization were direct threats to their power, so they resisted until falling rates of profit forced them to adapt, which was pretty much just using the cotton gin. meanwhile the north, full of mercantile petty bourgeois, went hard into industry and trade since that's where their wealth came from and they rode that wave to complete power over the first half of the 19th century.the civil war was the american equivalent of things like the fronde in france and the english civil war; the old feudal order's last gasp before being snuffed out by modernizing forces.
>>18095617there are places in the rural south with parasite infestations only seen there and in rural west africathere are portions of the rural south that are quite literally third world
>>18095665Yeah, the Appalachia in the South.
>>18095705>the south is poor because it was founded by failed aristocrats that wanted to preserve a feudal society despite bourgeois society being clearly superior to it.This is a great argument to justify colonization
>>18095164>Why did the Southern US end up so backwards compared to the rest of the country?Lemme explain it this way. Step outdoors in Mississippi in the middle of July for about 30 minutes and report back to me.
>>18095617Not quite like a third world country but definitely not as wealthy as the rest of the country. A few places I've seen in rural Virginia and West Virginia still have outhouses.
>>18095709alright cool it with the anti-black remarks
>>18095709Those places are also filled with west African diaspora. Which is very interesting. There are many reservations that are complete shitholes full of violence, corruption and rape. Those places are also filled with native americans and are very similar to places down south filled with Indians as well. Maybe, just maybe the average native american and black is too economically backwards to make decent socities. Many intelligent racist people have always argued there must be a iq difference. Even people back in the 1500s and 1600s noticed big behavioral differences and tied it to intelligence. I personally think evolution has resulted in different humans popualtions being smarter and more dumb than other popualtions. No policy of welfare program will ever fix this. It's why many diverse socities have weird caste systems. Where asians and whites are at the top. Indians and blacks are at the bottom. Mixed people in the middle. I think it's iq that explains alot of it.
>>18095411You're my hero, so brave.
>>18095194this is some nigger tier historical revision
>>18095617>Is it really that bad in the South?Yes, its poor as fuck, which is ironic given how the right hates welfare, yet they use the most of it, and before some stupid retard brings up blacks, even WHITES are poorer. Those small white rural towns? Its welfare that keeps their lights on.
Niggers
>>18095994The South has a seriously bad "fuck you I got mine" world view. They're against welfare when it's other people using it but have no problem using it themselves. It's petty and juvenile. Appalachian communities have had no issues with welfare and unions unlike the rest of the South as they have more of a communal mindset than the hyper individualistic rednecks. They only vote right for social conservatism but tend to be fiscally left.
>>18095164the more free blacks there are in a region the dumber, poorer, and less safe that region becomes.
>>18095213>North Korea is poor because it lacks a portNorth Korea is poor because the cruelty and degeneracy of socialism you worthless animal. Nobody running that shithole lives in anything less than a mansion.
>>18096665But America gives billions to Iran and North Korea and causes all of that.
>>18095617I've lived in and traveled around the South and parts of New England. The small towns in NE are generally a lot nicer and richer. The midsize cities and larger don't seem as different though from their Northern counterparts, but they are still a little poorer.
>>18095164Just like with blacks: shit genetics that predispose them to crime and stupidity.
>>18095194The U.S. was founded in Massachusetts. Southern quadroons seething about being second rate won’t change that.
>>18096665North Korea is poor because of the US invading, bombing and occupying after of it while putting it under an embargo.Despite that, unlike the U.S., their race is pure and isn't being replaced by foreigners like yours is.Nor is it occupied by Israel like the U.S.
>>18096731>All the worst aspects of us society come from massholes>The US is massholesNo you're just a turd
>>18096832Most I've talked to act like they have their heads really far up their ass. It must be really hard to breathe around Boston.
>>18097129It's the swirling hypocrisy of pretending to be the most enlightened people on the planet living in the most important area of the world and then you realize you're actually in Boston
>>18095665You can thank the Sackler family for that.
>>18095164The richest state in the southern United States is Texas, with the second largest GDP in the US.Texas has always stood out from the rest of the Southern United States primarily because of its unique origins as a independent republic of Mexico and the United States between 1836,1845. This experience shaped a collective mindset marked by political autonomy, economic expansionism, and a pragmatism that distinguished it from the agrarian traditionalism of the Old South. While most Southern states remained trapped by a slave-owning rural elite and a cotton-driven plantation economy, Texas early adopted a frontier logic focused on territorial expansion and economic diversification. Rather than relying exclusively on large, slave-owning estates, the state encouraged colonization by small and medium-sized landowners, fostering a more flexible social structure focused on harnessing local resources. This frontier mentality, inherited both from its period as an independent republic and from direct contact with Mexico and the American Wild West, fostered a culture of individual initiative, regional trade, and the constant search for new sources of wealth, paving the way for the rapid industrialization and urbanization that would come in the 20th century.Slavery existed in Texas, but it never structured its society as deeply as in the southeastern states, which facilitated the economic transition after the Civil War. With the discovery of oil at Spindletop in 1901, the state quickly entered a cycle of industrialization and urbanization that redefined its economy. Cities like Houston, Dallas, and San Antonio became commercial and technological hubs, driven by both energy capital and the creation of universities and modern infrastructure.
>>18097262Furthermore, the steady influx of European immigrants (especially Germans and Czechs) like the Midwest and the presence of a large Mexican population contributed to a more social mobility, dynamic culture, less dependent on old racial and agrarian hierarchies. Thus, Texas turned its legacy as a self-governing republic into a historical advantage, combining political independence, social diversity, and natural resources to become the most economically powerful state in the South.
>>18097280Fun concept, if only it wasn't drawn by a shitty fetish artist
>>18095617This idea that people have of “the south” is just like 10 miles outside the city limits of every major urban area in the countryIt’s clear you people have not really been there, and this is all based off of a cherry-picked image with some dumb mspaint drawing over it
>>18097262You're so fucking stupid. Texas was the last southern state allowed because of how proud expansion the south was. Texas is a time capsule of the real south before it was cut off from the rest of the US through congressional pissing contests
>>18097349Cope, Dixoid.The Southern planter aristocracy was the primary driver in the political crisis. Calhoun and the South Carolina planters tried to convince other states to secede whenever a crisis sprung up, since they needed a place to dump their excess slave population, and the ban on the international slave trade would make that impossible if SC was alone. What made John Brown a southern bogeyman was that he embodied the southern nightmare scenario: a Haiti-style slave revolt/race war. Just as SC needed other states to offload their excess slaves, the South as a whole needed new land to spread their growing slave population, especially as the soil back east was being depleted by King Cotton. Slavery, cotton, and territorial expansion were the three pillars of the southern economy. The other driving force behind the proslavery movement was the assumption that free states would always vote against the interests of slave states.The Knights of the Golden Circle was a southern group advocating the annexation of former Spanish colonies (Cuba, Central America) to create more slave states and more plantations. Setting them aside, the Federal government had to dissuade southerners from joining privately funded filibustering expeditions to conquer Latin American countries. Leaving aside the speculation, the rationale for taking Texas and the Mexican Cession was southern settlement. That the land was unsuited for plantation farming, or that the locals didn’t want slavery imposed where it had been abolished, and the white settlers (mostly southerners, including California’s governor and all of its Congressmen) agreed with them, was a nasty shock.
>>18097680The 1850 crisis and the resulting compromise happened because the South wanted to impose slavery over a region against the will of the people who lived there. The concept of popular sovereignty had to be invented for them to accept reality, and they had to go one step further by pushing through the Fugitive Slave Act.The Fugitive Slave Act merely radicalized New England, New York, Michigan, and Wisconsin, when very few slaves would get that far. Free states that bordered slave states had people who owned land and slaves on the other side of the border, so naturally they had few problems with compliance. Northern defiance where it mattered least inflamed radicals in the Deep South, where escape was nearly impossible. This radicalization destroyed the Whig Party, which represented people from all parts of the country, and replaced it with the Republican Party, which only represented the values and interests of the free states (despite their first presidential candidate being southern-born John C. Fremont). This drove southern Whigs into the Democratic Party, while the moderate northern Whigs faded away.I should also mention that the southern assumption that the free states would always oppose them was never true until the 1850s, since slave owners living in free states and businessmen who worked with slave owners held considerable influence in the North. California, the epicenter of the 1850 crisis and home state of the 1856 Republican candidate, even voted consistently alongside the South until 1860.The Kansas-Nebraska Act furthered the political/regional divide, as it repealed the Missouri Compromise and turned popular sovereignty into a tool to spread slavery. As radicals flooded Kansas, the violence was not exclusive to the abolitionists and Free Soilers, though John Brown’s exploits are the best known.
>>18097687Stop spamming your stupid ass conspiracy Albert pike didn't found the KKK you fucking monkey
>>18097687The whole debacle was so polarizing that it made an incompetent asshole like James Buchanan, who was uninvolved in the debate over the law, into a viable presidential candidate, while creating an opening for Stephen Douglas to potentially lose his Senate seat.Before I get into the 1858 Senate race, I should talk about the Dred Scott Decision. The lower courts all broke established precedent, which would have granted Scott his freedom, because of the political atmosphere. Chief Justice Taney, quoted by some apologists in reference to Lincoln alleged tyranny, read a prepared statement throwing out the suit because the plaintiff is legally property, then overstepped the bounds of the case to declare that Congress has no constitutional authority to regulate slavery in the territories. You can’t say that the southern push to expand slavery is a northern conspiracy when the Chief Justice of the U.S. Supreme Court outright said it.The 1858 Senate race is less important for its effects on the South as it is for the Republican Party. Douglas as the incumbent, pushed the 1850 Compromise through Congress and was the architect of the Kansas-Nebraska Act. Lincoln was merely a prominent state level politician who served one term in the House. His electoral challenge brought him the national attention to grab the 1860 presidential nomination. Meanwhile, Douglas tried to shore up his antislavery credentials with the Freeport Doctrine, declaring that territories were free until they passed a law to legalize slavery, alienating potential southern supporters in his eventual presidential campaign in 1860.Lincoln secured the Republican nomination against Fremont, tainted by his 1856 electoral defeat, and Seward, whose abolitionism and connection to Thurlow Weed’s political machine made him unelectable. Meanwhile the Democrats split over sectional lines and the moderate southern Whigs made one last gasp at relevancy with the Constitutional Union Party.
>>18097680>>18097687>>18097698The whole 1850 crisis happened because southern politicians didn’t want to accept that their fellow southerners living in the Mexican Cession didn’t want slavery, and that both the desert and the Rocky Mountains are horrible places to build cotton plantations. The South pushed for the annexation of Texas and war with Mexico because they assumed the new territory would become slave states, then threw a bitchfit when faced with reality. Northern radicalization was a reaction to southern provocation.TL;DR: The South wanted to spread slavery based on faulty political assumptions and their own unsustainable economy, the North tried to placate them, and Lincoln might have lost if the anti-Republican vote wasn’t split between three divisive candidates.>>18097695He was one of the co-founders of the Knights of the Golden Circle, which would become the Ku Klux Klan.
>>18096832>Nooooooo you can’t have world class universities and a low murder rate that’s fuckin rascist n sheit nigga! Superiority brings controversy quadroon
>>18097706>knights of the golden CIRCLE>The name Klu Klux Klan was probably formed in 1865 by combining the Greek kyklos (κύκλος, which means circle) with clan>For the ancient Greeks, the name "Cyclopes" meant "Circle-eyes" or "Round-eyes", derived from the Greek kúklos ("circle") and ops ("eye")>Cyclopean masonry is a type of stonework found in Mycenaean architecture, built with massive limestone boulders, roughly fitted together with minimal clearance between adjacent stones and with clay mortar or no use of mortar. The boulders typically seem unworked, but some may have been worked roughly with a hammer and the gaps between boulders filled in with smaller chunks of limestone>The term comes from the belief of classical Greeks that only the mythical Cyclopes had the strength to move the enormous boulders that made up the walls of Mycenae and Tiryns. Pliny's Natural History reported the tradition, attributed to Aristotle, that the Cyclopes were the inventors of masonry towers, giving rise to the designation "Cyclopean">The KGC was organized in three overall degrees, as well as into local "castles"https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ku_Klux_Klan_titles_and_vocabulary>In both prescripts there were four levels or "departments" of organization, above the basic level:>Empire – constituting the whole area of the Klan's activities. This was led by the Imperial Wizard and his staff of ten Genii, as well as a Grand Schubladen (treasurer) and Grand Scribe, whose duty was to keep lists of the subordinate officers. The Genii, Imperial Exchequer and Scribe were appointed by the Imperial Wizard>Realms – while the role of Realms was laid out in the first prescript, they were only identified as states in the second prescript
>>18097706>He was one of the co-founders of the Knights of the Golden Circlenever happened you schizophrenic monkey
>>18097711>Realms were ruled by a Grand Dragon who was assisted by eight Squires, as well as a Grand Exchequer and a Grand Scribe, whose duties were identical to those of the above officers on the imperial level. All officers were appointed by the Grand Dragon>Dominions – identified in the second prescript as "coterminous with such counties as the Grand Dragons of the several Realms shall assign" and "not exceed three in number for each Congressional district". The Dominion was headed by a Grand Titan who was assisted by six Furies, a Grand Exchequer and a Grand Scribe, all of whom were appointed by the Grand Titan>Provinces – the second prescript identified a Province as equivalent to a county. It was supervised by a Grand Giant, who was assisted by four Goblins, a Grand Exchequer, and a Grand Scribe, all of whom were appointed by the Grand Giant>In the first prescript each officer is given the power to appoint Deputies to organize Realms, Dominions, Provinces and Dens until the latter can elect their own officers. The Grand Wizard was to be elected by a majority of Grand Dragons, and each lower level was elected by a majority of the next lower level of officers (Dragons were elected by Titans, Titans were elected by Giants etc.), as soon as three units had been formed at each level (three Dominions within a Realm for Grand Dragon, three Provinces within a Dominion for Grand Titan, etc.). In the second prescript each officer appoints the lower officer with the approval of his superior>The Dens were the basic level of organization for the Reconstruction Klan. In the original prescript, its chief officer was the Grand Cyclops, who appointed two Nighthawks, a Grand Turk, a Grand Sentinel, Grand Magi and a Grand Ensign in addition to his Grand Scribe. The Grand Cyclops, Grand Exchequer, Grand Magi (second officer) and Grand Monk (third officer) were elected by the body politic of the dens, identified as Ghouls
>>18097129>>18097139success breeds jealousy
>>18097726>success>most the people that live there are ethnic gangsters on welfare
>>18097728We’re talking about Mass, not your shithole southern state full of blacks and imported Mexicans.
>>18097715>In the second prescript the Grand Ensign is dispensed with, while the Grand Exchequer was appointed by the Grand Cyclops, who was now appointed by the Grand Giant. Only the Grand Magi and Grand Monk were elected by the Ghouls>The exact function of these officers and the meaning of the titles varied. The two Nighthawks have been identified as couriers. The Grand Sentinel was in charge of the "Grand Guard", an organization which is not otherwise elaborated upon in the prescripts, but apparently served as the Den's security detail>Invisible Empire – this designation included both the Klan's geographical domain – up to "the whole world" – but also in a "spiritual sense" all the secrets and workings of the order. All things outside this empire were designated the Alien World and non-members Aliens. The Klan was a military organization and its commander in chief was the Imperial Wizard, whose power was supreme "within the limits of this Constitution" and whose edicts, decisions and rulings were binding on all members of the order. He had a staff of Fifteen Genii. The Empire had an assembly or convocation known as a Klonvokation
>>18095781>>18095935lily white hicks let their kids play in pools of shit too. poor whites and poor blacks aren't any different and your desperate attempts to make one are hilarious
>>18097735and?
>>18097942>poor whites and poor blacks aren't any different and your desperate attempts to make onesaaarrrrrr
>>18097728New England is almost certainly whiter and more safe than your shithole
>>18095164It was an agrarian shithole. It was basically always backwards. Even when Europeans came over they were astounded at just how much of a shithole the south was in comparison to the north, filled with drunken brutes who didn't wear shoes and would brawl at the drop of a hat. Slavery and the planter class really fucked everything up.
>>18095406Every Confederate officer and politician should have been put to death. All unreconstructed slave owners should have been put to death. People like the fags who killed the Readjuster Party should have been put to death. The south should have remained occupied and under martial law until appropriately buck broken.
>>18095164andrew johnson & da KKK
>>18098873Yeah but how many are worthless Catholics
>>18099115Nah the climate did. The South was barely habitable before air conditioning.>>18099125Shalom.
>>18095935Tbh your post sounds like someone who's never really been to the south most of the rural south is impoverished to shit black or white The Deep South:>jiggabo speaking niggers>Plantations>Fried chicken>violence>Welfare>PovertyThe upper south: >Cletus>moonshine>Hillybillys whites>Drugs>welfare>coal minesboth are the most obese areas in the US, both poor,both have strange accents, both on drugsboth love welfare
>>18097726Based
>>18095164The US would be much better if it had been settled by only Yankees.
>>18095164This looks like West Virginia, not South
>>18099861West Virginia is Southern.
