>cut off your slave colonies by collapsing the USSR because they were """leeching""" from you>elites realize russia is poorer now>start wars with all your neighbours to get the territories backWas it just retardation or a part of a deeper plan?
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>>18096926The plan was to get rid of the Baltics, Central Asia (minus northern Kazakhstan) and the Caucasus, keeping the three slavic nations as part of a greater Russia.
>>18096926>>start wars with all your neighboursSource?
Russians arent known for their good decisions bro
India is massive and poor, Taiwan is small and rich. Size doesn't matter.
>>18097010China and the US are massive and rich, it's about IQ which russia doesnt have just like india
>>18096948>>18096977seething ziggers. what part of the 3rd world do you come from
Russchads are winning and will winScreencap this post
They're retarded
>>18096926Retardation. Gorbi had a plan to basically liberalize the USSR, try to do the market reforms needed to end their stagnation, cut back on the useless military over expenditure, etc. The trouble with this is that it started to panic the nomenklatura, and so they tried to coup him. At the time the union was pretty unstable and so all the Eastern European states that, let’s face it, really didn’t want to be in the union to begin with ran for the exits. That’s when Russia dissolved the union because they didn’t want to be in a majority Muslim/Asian country. This lead to even more instability and the 1990s lulzfest with anarchocapitalism. The same people (the siloviki) especially those in the KGB/FSB, and MoD then ended up taking control again after the failed first war in Chechnya and some apartment bombings (that they may have had a hand in) and spent the next ten years blaming Gorbi for the thing they caused while desperately thrashing around to try and make up for the utter humiliation that was the collapse of the USSR. It’s not really a deep plan. Just a bunch of lead poisoned homo sovieticus boomers with fetal alcohol syndrome wrecking things because they don’t know how to deal with their colossal inferiority complex.>>18096975I think this was part of the cope for some of them. They just had no clue that large tracts of that ‘greater Russia’ were sick of Muscovites. Which they really should have known.
>>18096926Russia is much richer than RFSR was relatively In USSR baltics were about 10 times richer but now Russia is
>>18096926>because they were """leeching""" from youThey were, now they leech from EU and Central Asia still leeching from Russia>russia is poorer nowAverage russian is much more wealthier now>>start wars with all your neighboursName 5
>>18098847>MuscovitesHello tranny
>>18098847>Gorbi had a plan to basically liberalize the USSR, try to do the market reforms needed to end their stagnation, cut back on the useless military over expenditure, etc.The plan was to destroy the USSR and ban the CPSU. Everything between him and Yeltsin was largely just theatre. The "Coup" against Gorbachev was not real and was carried out behind the scenes by Gorby's reformed KGB along with "reformers" and blamed on the Communists.>My ambition was to liquidate Socialism, the dictatorship over all the people. Supporting me and urging me on in this mission was my wife, who was of this opinion long before I was. I knew that I could only do this if I was the leading functionary. In this my wife urged me to climb to the top post. While I actually became acquainted with the West, my mind was made up forever. I decided that I must destroy the whole apparatus of the CPSU and the USSR. Also, I must do this in all of the other socialist countries. My ideal is the path of social democracy. Only this system shall benefit all the people. This quest I decided I must fulfil.>I found friends that had the same thoughts as I in Yakovlev and Shevernadze, they all deserve to be thanked for the break-up of the USSR and the defeat of Socialism.>A World without socialism is going to be much better. After year 2000 the world will be much better, because it shall develop and prosper. But there are countries which shall try to struggle against this. China for one. I was in Peking during the time of the protests on Tienanmen Square, where I really thought that Socialism in China is going to crash. I sternly demanded of the Chinese leadership that I want to speak to the protesters, but they did not allow me to do so. If the Communist party would fall in China, all the world would be better off, and on the road to peace. - Gorbachev.
>>18096926>cut off your slave colonies by collapsing the USSR because they were """leeching""" from youThe idea that Soviet republics were "colonies" is pretty ridiculous, especially when you see the vast difference between Western colonialism and how the Soviet republics were treated (pretty much always given preferential treatment to the RFSR and are still running on largely Soviet infrastracture and housing today).Is California or Texas a "colony" of DC?
the CIA made them crash their country or something idk
>>18098847This. Russians are descended from serfs and too stupid to run a country.
>>18099231>russians push russification and all resources go to Moscow >Not colonialismLMAO
>>18096926The USSR was net food importer, Russia is net food exporter. I think there's quite a reasonable point to be made that they did cut off a lot of dead weight
>>18099195The Baltics are all still richer than Russia in GDP per capita.
>>18099586that doesnt count since we're going to bomb them soon
>>18099536>The USSR>RussificationRead a book you fucking retard. Preferrably Affirmative Action Empire by Terry Martin.If the USSR actually pushed Russification Ukraine would not exist right now. The only place you'd could find Ukrainians in would be Alberta.
>>18099734Estonians would be a Myth. People would debate if they weren't made upby the swedish.
>>18099734Ukraine was the brains of the ussr, there's no way an inferior culture like the one from moscow can overpower the origin of slavs
Nah, the nomenklatura got tired of being restrained by paying even lip service to communism and just wanted their own fiefs to become oligarchs in, that is mostly why the ussr collapsed
>>18099774Then why weren't Russians getting ukrainised but the other way round?
>>18099822oh so russification existed in ukraine? keep your narratives straight tranny
>>18097010OP didn't claim that, your reading comprehension skills suck balls
how did the USSR shart the bed despite having the second best land in the world?
>>18099842I isn't possible to comprehend something that never made sense in the first place.
>>18099864nice cope for being a retard
>>18099849Because communism is retarded. If the Russian Empire never fell it would probably be a 500 million people strong 15 trillion economy today.
>>18100265Doubtful. Too many Russians in power.
>>18096926Russia is much richer now than it was under the USSR. The imperializing is being done by Sovok boomer security elites who want to relive their 20s in in the low ranks of the KGB, it's not economically motivated.
>>18100265for every death, in ww2, you can assume 10 less population by today.It's why eastern europe, everything east of germany, is so barren.
>>18099213>Name 5First Chechen WarSecond Chechen WarGeorgian WarUkrainian WarShort of one, you win
>>18098847That's the official neoliberal propaganda versionThe real story is that corrupt officials inside the USSR wanted to collapse the country to pillage state property They literally knew beforehand liberalization would be a disaster and crash the economy, it wasn't a "mistake". Gaidar should have been hung by his entrails outside the Duma
>>18099213>Central Asia still leeching from RussiaCope, they're basically Chinese protectorates now, Russian influence in the region is only still strong in Kazakhstan (language) and Tajikistan (military) but even there it's declining, China is taking them over.
>>18101023>picrelThere was no other alternative. Which is why market reforms were called "shock therapy": Russia had to bite the bullet or starve like in 1920s
>>18101047Dramatic anti-russian bs lol
>>18099767The idea that Lithuanians do not come from Chukotka would be Fomenko tier.>>18101047Might as well say they are all NAT members because of David Cameron lmao.
>>18101059Yes, there was an alternative, not selling off all the state enterprises and liquidating employment as quickly as possible to the friends of functionaries would have been a start. And Russia wouldn't have starved, it could have still paid for imported food with gas and mineral moneyEven from a liberal perspective the collapse of the Soviet Union was a disaster and the result of a mafia state
>>18101207>not selling off all the state enterprisesWhich were a dead weight for the state budget>it could have still paid for imported food with gas and mineral moneyIt could not. It couldn't do that even as the Soviet Union although they tried
>>18101221Even though they were unprofitable competing on the world market they were still an important source of employment and goods for the domestic market.The Soviet Union did import food, a lot of it, using gas, oil, and mineral money
>>18101237>employmentWhat's the point when your workers are paid with factories' product or not at all? Shit was embarrassing>goods for the domestic marketWhich were easily outcompeted by foreign import both in price and in quality>The Soviet Union did import foodAnd still suffered from the food deficit. And when the oil prices crashed so did the entire economy
>>18101237And in an autarkic country like the Soviet Union, which produces many essential goods itself with a supply chain entirely in its own country, and which owns the enterprises that make those goods, the state budget is irrelevant. Not to mention all of the savings of the Russians were also owned by the state through GosbankBasically, there is absolutely no reason why the Soviet Union's dissolution had to have the human cost that it did
>>18101252But we're not talking about the Soviet Union and its dissolution. We're talking about market reforms in democratic Russia. Can you follow the conversation?
>>18101207They wouldn't have starved anyway; the USSR produced more than enough food in the 1980s they just had to charge end consumers enough for their bread that they'd care about it enough to not feed it to animals
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