This kills the fedora
I suspect that someone who had internalized Christian teachings would not mock misguided people like that.
>christians still speechless 2000 years later
>>18097108
>>18097096Atheism is just as much of a leap of faith as theism. In both cases you're making an utterly unfalsifiable statement about existential affairs beyond the human capacity of anyone to understand. Agnosticism is the only honest take as even the most fervent of zealots can never be 100% convinced their certainty as far as "witnessing signs" isn't a byproduct of psychosis.
>>18097108https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alvin_Plantinga's_free-will_defense> According to Chad Meister, professor of philosophy at Bethel University, most philosophers accept Plantinga's free-will defense and thus see the logical problem of evil as having been sufficiently rebuttedYou're just retarded
>>18097120nta but>free willlolhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/On_the_Freedom_of_the_Will
>>18097120free will is incompatible with an omniscient deity who controls all the variablesnext
>>18097103Christianity nowadays is just about being against stuff like immigration and taxes (ironically two things the Bible openly supports)
>>18097119Belief in God isn't a problem, religion is. Like folk believed that Greek gods lived on Olympus, then climbed there and found no gods. Other religions were debunked in a similar way, including Christianity.
>>18097120The idea of free will as an ontologically basic "thing" rather than an epihenomenon seems incoherent. Either stuff happens deterministically or randomly or some combination of the two, and neither of those options would make what happens properly assignable to some force of individual will. If free will is equated to introducing randomness, then it seems doubtful whether it should be regarded as inherently good so that an omnibenevolent God would be obligated to introduce it. On the other hand, if free will is equated to God being unable to predict what's going to happen, then that would make God not omnipotent.
>>18097151>Christianity nowadays is just about being against stuff like immigration
>>18097156That's a true Christian (a dead one)
>>18097120>In Arguing About Gods, Graham Oppy offers a dissent, acknowledging that "[m]any philosophers seem to suppose that [Plantinga's free-will defense] utterly demolishes the kinds of 'logical' arguments from evil developed by Mackie" but continuing: "I am not sure this is a correct assessment of the current state of play." Concurring with Oppy, A. M. Weisberger writes "contrary to popular theistic opinion, the logical form of the argument is still alive and beating."Hmm
>>18097134Wrong see molinism>>18097131>>18097155>>18097165Cope
>>18097173>CopeEpicurean bros... our response?
>>18097183i'm thinking yikes
>>18097173>>18097183What am I coping with by not believing in a God who is omnipotent and omnibenevolent? It would be nice to believe in such a God if it were true, if reality weren't so apparently incompatible with the idea. Seems like he'd be a helpful fellow to have around.
>>18097119You're conflating theism with deism, the idea there may be some unknowable, unfalsifiable universal creator is far more probable than claiming to know what that creator said/wants. Theism is far less probable than either deism or atheism, and you can dount deists on one hand so they're not really relevant. Agnostics are just pussy fence-sitters.
>>18097173Does molinism just assume God makes his flesh robots without knowing what he's doing? Can't be arsed to read the wiki article
>>18097195Appeal to a real argument like the Bayesian problem of evil rather than outdated shlop. Until then keep coping
>>18097215Yes, it's what they call God's "middle knowledge". It also ignores Romans 9 like every other Christian argument for free will.
>>18097173>molinismNot biblicalResume coping
>>18097221I wonder how much of philosophy is just people "nuh-uh" -ing their opponents until their opponents produce a sufficiently verbose defense of their position until the person can't in good faith claim to have read enough of it to be able to properly "nuh-uh" it.
>>18097235*of their position that
>>18097120>hmm, but your argument fails if we assume something that is obviously false (noncompatibilist free will)Not the W you think it is.
>>18097235Not as much as knowing sophists artfully disguising their sophistry as argumentation
>>18097253Lol
>>18097096all unrefuted to this day
>>18097173>Molinist God: What do you mean free will is incompatible with an omniscient deity who controls all the variables? I just surveyed all possible worlds and decided to actualize the one where you end up in my torture chamber but aside from that your will is totally free bro
>>18097096kekthe second from the bottom applies to most atheists (no pun intended)
>>18097108>if God real why bad thing happenlmao congrats you are a literal meme. don't feel proud though because pride is the worst of the mortal sins
>>18097294what race was that rabbi you worship again?
>>18097288Yes you choose to sin and will be punished justly for it
>>18097131>he doesn't have free willI bet you can't even picture a crisp royal gala apple rotating 3600 when you close your eyesNGMI
>>18097253>free will>obviously falsefor (you) maybe, not for me
>>18097308>>18097311why would anyone choose to sin unless god have them the urge to sin in the first place?
>>18097299why can't you give an answer to a meme question? :)
>>18097308Who created you this way?
>>18097319Idk God works in mysterious ways lmao
>>18097327Because others have beforeVae victis
>>18097327>if god fake why good thing happen??memebrain niggers coping and projecting will never get old
>>18097319It's inevitable given free will and eternity>>18097334The same one who made you that way
>>18097306What race are (you)?
>>18097096this kills the christkek
Just saying... last chaps to call dibs on jerusalem were the brits...Skop
>>18097319>God made me do itkike or w*man?
>>18097342>It's inevitable given free will and eternityThis free will thing is sounding suspiciously like a metaphysical pair of dice God implanted in everyone that randomly causes horrible things to happen. What a gift!
Given arabs invaded in the 7th century... who cares?
>>18097345>What race are (you)?Atheist
>>18097346
>>18097346>kike still maldingLMAO love to see itSt. Paul was Alpha and Omega BasedGo fuck yourself with a menorah you dysgenic mutilated worm >inb4 muh phariseethat's what makes his conversion even more poignant >inb4 muh mohelmohels are a babylonian talmudkike invention. did not exist 2000 years ago
>>18097306Damn someone got hella triggered by that slavery meme to make that lol. W
>>18097347>look at the goodest golem posing for this pic And then what?What did the 'brits' do with Jerusalem after?Care to enlighten us?
>>18097096The only atheist arguments are>where god?>prove it.Spiricucks still have no answer
>>18097353You simply can't comprehend having a will capable of making choices due to being a bot
>>18097352that's literally the logical conclusion of cause and effect if god made you
>>18097361>t. lying hook nosed low iq inbred(you) stick out like a sore thumb
>>18097378answer the question first retard
I like how whenever a christ larper here runs out of arguements they start accusing everybody of being jews, which is especially ironic given their religion started from a jew disagreeing with a different group of jews
>>18097367>St. Paul was Alpha and Omega BasedTruly based indeed
>>18097380>a-answer my strawmanyou lost
>>18097364saved>>18097367Remember to obey your heckin based rabbi and refrain from breeding.
>>18097384>y-you lostNice kvetch coin clipper
>>18097383>mfw when the goyim are NOT pleased to do it
>>18097391>n-no urabbi yeshua would be proud
>>18097096
>>18097383>>18097390>2 malding mutilated yids angry at Saul of Tarsus 2000 years laterlol that he was. Stay mad dysgenic demons the more you kvetch the better for humanity in general
>>18097395So this is what the top religious minds of our time are debating. Lol, lmao even.
>>18097402(((Alpha and Omega)))
>>18097395Theology is so fucking dead
>>18097096And they have yet to recover since
Paul says it's fine to lie as long as you trick people into judeochristianity
>>18097395
>>18097412shaul was a master pilpuler ngl
>>18097407>does not understand what he postedit's ok. here's an easier passage in today's English (although I prefer the more archaic one)draw your own conclusions if you're smart enough. But don't waste my time with dumb questions or I'll call you what you are
>>18097412Common Jewish lie taking Paul out of context
>>18097420John 1:11
>>18097394>n-no you started it firsth*sh*m can't be fooled by (your) kapparot pilpul lies
>>18097423Very rare honest Christian statement that something has been taken out of context
>>18097425John 7:1John 8:44Rev. 2:9Rev. 3:9And at least 20 more
>>18097433You're not ready for this discussion
>>18097423There's no context that makes the shit paul said good lol. Just cope
>>18097154Actually the Greeks had explanations for it. They believed that the gods simply just disguised it from mortals.
>>18097345>Source: Literal who
>>18097433>>18097444>meanwhilejews are the master at the table while goyim are dogs
>>18097444>randomly switches to OT>does not make a clear argument Indeed I am not ready for your deranged pilpul. And I will never be. But since you're so good at it, go ahead and analyze Isaiah 53
>>18097454>oy vey it doesn't countpathetic kikeThe study is legit. I have read it.
>>18097469>randomlyI know you haven't read the OT but according to Paul all scripture is inspired by God and is profitable for teaching, for rebuking, for correcting, for training in righteousness. Guess what else Paul says.
>>18097467jews did not exist 2000 years ago...and they are NOT ChristianDid you really think before posting?
>>18097448You can't be this low IQ
>>18097479>I know you haven't read the OT that's a lietherefore your entire comment is a lieyou are a lying jew
>>18097480>jews did not kill jesuswow>>18097484>give jews your money goy, you owe themmake that make sense juan
>>18097395the face of modern christianity
>>18097484he's a jew or jeet so yes he can they actually are this stupid
>>18097469>>18097479>>18097487>no argumentAs for Isaiah 53 try reading the whole book lol
>>18097096Why does he have the blacked logo covering his eyes?
>>18097480Ok buddy
>>18097492>this tired larpsigh. you are not the race of Jacob schlomoyou are 2.5% pharisee, 97.5% 'other'as a Christian, I owe you fuck all. You are lower than a hindoo in my eyes, especially if you're a talmudist which is the worst thing you can ever beUnderstand now?
>>18097504That's no way to talk about God's chosen ones.
>>18097488>>18097500you have no excuse to be this illiterate read and learn
>>18097508You have no excuse not to realize christianity is an extension of judaism and is jewish supremacist in 2025
>>18097506>sigh. you are not the race of Jacob schlomo allow me to quote this scientific fact again, because your verbal IQ is apparently too low to understand it the first time Moreover, if (you) were God's chosen, the blasphemous talmud would not exist your 'nation' is a sham and a temporary aberration. Young Evangelicals are mostly opposed to zionism
>>18097508waiting for your brilliant exegesis carlos
>>18097520So modern Jews aren't real Jews?
>>18097521What is (your) Bible-related question moshi?I am ready to provide a Trinitarian answer but the question has to be good, not your normal pilpul verbal diarrhea
>>18097519>jew astroturfed 'meme'>out of context cherrypicked verses>replaces 'Iudaean' with 'jew'>tries to conflate two different historical eras to push an agenda You are a liar from a lying race, that's why I am putting you down like a rabid dog instead of answering nicely. I make no apologies
>>18097540>copiumthis is you every day
>>18097526DuhThat's why they don't belong in the Near EastIf they were actual jews, the Arabs would have welcomed them as racial brethren
>>18097546Then who are these people and their children, who inherited a blood curse for killing Jesus?
>>18097543ok jude but you're still a mutilated kike and I am notNo matter how much you mald, that is not changing unless you get baptized how long can you hold your breath?
>>18097529make paul's letter not sound kiked without sounding like a schizo yourself. I'll wait.
>>18097548Gone. Hadrian finished them offUnless you claim the yids are their descendants. In that case I would like you to tell me what you're going to do about it.
>>18097557Well that's the whole Jewish question, isn't it?
>>18097108I asked God for strength, he gave me challenges to make me stronger.I asked God for wisdom, he gave me problems to solve to make me wiser I asked God for courage, he gave me dangerous situations to make me more courageous.God will talk to you, it's only because you aren't listening that you can't hear him.
>>18097480>jews did not exist 2000 years ago...So the main author of your new covenant is lying when he calls himself a jew?
>>18097563so are they or are they not? In both cases it's bad for them but you seem to be arguing the former, which makes them much much worse. I'm arguing the latter for the sake of humanity, because I don't want them rounded up
>>18097235Yes whether you have salvation is an issue between you and God we have no power over, but if you're gonna vocalize your unbelief then at least spare us from having to listen to a retard
>>18097581>which makes them much much worseIt's what every theologian has argued for the past 2000 years or so. They're still rejecting their messiah.
>>18097575*Judahite/IvdaeanNot jewjews are the product of a Sassanian psyop that got out of control somehowThanks Shahanshah Yazdagerd II bet that yenta pussy was worth it ya damn coomer
>>18097566>god let little samantha get r*ped and strangled because uhh..>god let toddler timmy die painfully and slowly of leukemia because uhh..>god didn't answer the prayer of someone about to be shot in the face because uhh..
>>18097521>picrelThis is a common misconception. Christianity was never a single entity and had a somewhat decentralized origin until the canon of the new testament and the creeds are determined in the late 4th century.It has always been a clusterfuck of denominations squabbling over which books are canon and how to interpret their bizarro anti-philosophy.The joke works regardless though.
>>18097564meds
>>18097594cope harder you retarded wuzzer"jew" is the modern English word for "Ἰουδαῖος". There is no record whatsoever of some global linguistic switcharoo or whatever conspiracy theory you've concocted.
>>18097589Up until the 1960s the jews were called the 'Deicide people' in Catholic churchesI know that, but I don't think it applies in a racial way because otherwise it would make no sense. it apples spiritually. Those who reject Christ in their hearts after what He did for humanity are the spiritual descendants of the phariseesI know the babylonian talmud is pharisaic so it applies to talmudists mainly regardless of their dna which at this point is 97.5% non-Levantine So you tell me what I'm supposed to make of it
>>18097614>the spiritual descendants of the phariseesmeanwhile, the author of the new testament be like
>>18097595timmy goes to hell too if he's not baptized
>>18097614>So you tell me what I'm supposed to make of itSee >>18097444. If they don't exist anymore the Bible is wrong. Simple as.
>>18097612No conspiracy theory schlomoJust basic geopolitics and imperial games between the Bosphorus and the TigrisMy argument is simple. Modern jews descend in a very small part from pharisees that Jesus rebuked several times during his Ministry. These pharisees however carried the anti-Christian and anti-Truth venom in their hearts, where it festered until the Sassanians decided to use them as spies and saboteurs against Christian Rome. The roots of modern Jewry are in Sura and Pumbedita, Iraq.
>>18097598it's literally basic knowledgeTitus and Hadrian wiped out 95% of them Whatever remained fled to Iraq beyond Roman control where they married local women and continued with their trade caravans. That's where they wrote the talmud. That's where they spread from to go to Khazaria etc. Also Radhanites as documented by Arabs/Persians https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radhanite
>>180976220/10bad troll
I think there is a god but it's something beyond our comprehensionthe simple fact of the matter is that there is no conceivable answer to how the original atoms came in to existence that lead to the big bangsomething had to happen to do that
>>18097634>there were no jews 2000 years ago>modern jews descend from the jews of 2000 years ago who called themselves jews thoughAbsolute schizophrenia
>>18097647>Khazar theorybruh
>>18097630If they do exist, the implication is darkerSee my previous comment I don't want a whole people condemned even if it's the jews
>>18097655you're not arguing in good faithgoodbye and good luck sucking circumcised cock
>>18097654>2.5%post dna (you won't)
>>18097662>good luck sucking circumcised cockthanks but im not christian
>>18097672good lick smearing shit on your forehead then or whatever it is you cockroaches do for good luck saar
>>18097566>God will talk to youSeeing how he treated you, I want him as far away from me as possible
>>18097685>switch to accusing them of being pajeets after accusing them of being kikes doesn't worklmao christcucks never get tired of embarrassing yourselves
>>18097733>switch to accusing them of being pajeets after accusing them of being kikes doesn't workgolem's law 3
>>18097096>out of context bible verseAs if Christians care about context either.
>>18097733statistically I am not wrongyou are a bad faith liar so I have to put you down otherwise you'll think you're right which you aren't those two races are the most anti-Christian so you're one of them
>>18097793statistically chances are you're underage
>>18097096Are you the same butthurt christfag who told everyone they were going to burn yesterday?
>>18097096the no mixed fibers bit is a poetic way of prohibiting race mixing
>>18097108God created dark and light, evil and good. Without choice there is no virtue. He puts all this before you.
Wanted to make a thread but saw this one so I'm using the opportunity: can somebody direct me to good resources explaining what's exactly wrong in the brains of materialists, analytical philosophers, and general quasi-autists? Think also of any tech podcast host and guests. Somebody must have already explored this already decades ago, and given the a day doesn't pass when I don't have to digest some AI news bullshit, I'm surprised this isn't talked much about
>>18097934The problem they have is called high intelligence
>>18097941interesting
>>18097862yesterday? he says it every day in every thread that has anything remotely to do with christianity
>>18097989Derive enjoyment from being aflame.
>>18098025I'm going to heaven, sorry buddy
>>18097395>don't spoon with your gf>actually don't even have a gf>just spend all day debating shit no one cares about on twitter with a pepe monk avatar Why are these people like this?
>>18098073Zoomers larp as devout Christians as a way to rationalize incelhood that's all there is to it
>>18098073zoomer converts in their honeymoon phase running social media accounts to sell "christ is king" merch
>>18098080>Zoomers larp as devout Christians as a way to rationalize incelhoodI never understood the Christian larp. Incelhood is better rationalized as overt sexual Marxism where you want to redistribute women. It's direct and actually edgier than tradlarping. So why bother with it?
>>18097120This is the state of philosophers? All those years of studying and they cant even see that free will (if it exists) ((it doesnt)) has nothing to do with being capable of an action? The only thing that helps me cope is that these faggots get paid as much as i do (nothing)
>>18098119it's the current meta among right-wingers as they leave their "countercultural" and enter back into the mainstream
>>18097120Don't even think free will is the problem hereIf truly demons causing hurricanes is this valuable to God, that he choose to create a world with them in itthat's just to say that demons causing hurricanes are not evilit's just a denial of evil
>>18097120Which is NOT a response to the Epicurean Paradoxbut a response to John Leslie Mackie's very narrow and specific 'logical argument from evil'this conversation is so retarded and dishonest
>>18097120PLANTINGA
>>18098209can't believe that made me laugh
>>18098209Gotta love Plantinga for being a Calvinist himself (Dirk told me), and thinking all this human free will stuff is rubbish, not a thing that exist in reality he's still helping his Evangelical friends out of a bind
>God could not, for example create beings with free will that would never choose evilThis is also super dumbThis is just to say that humans are NOT free. Because they will choose evil Besides, there is no fucking logical contradiction in freely willed humans always and forever choosing the good (despite being able to choose evil) Logically impossible, meaning that it entails a contradiction - Please, Plantinga tell us the contradiction. Why is this a logical impossibility??? And retard philosophers just nods along? Philosophy is so fucking trash
Their argument is super dumbJust ask them if god has free will and has chosen evil. He didn't? Why doesn't he do the same for humans
>>18098381That argument wont work against them unfortunately. They can just say that humans arent designed to be perfect. If a perfect driver was given full control of the wheel, they will never blunder but a shit driver will>but why did God make humans imperfectHe works in mysterious waysTis a brick wall
>>18097826chances are I'm notNow go fuck yourself annoying homosexual troll
>>18097096Patriarch Nigger is a dumb coon convert with stupid tradortho opinions.
>>18098417>AM NOTkek global rule 2 lil bro
>>18097120Multiple problems here>Logical problem of evilIs meaningless. All that says is "is it theoretically possible for God to allow evil because of free will, even if there is a .000000001% chance of it actually being true". It does not resolve the evidentiary problem of evil, which is far more significantSecondly, if intervening to stop evil is a violation of free will God already violated free will in the Bible, multiple times. He flooded the world, he razed Sodom and Gomorrah, he ordered the genocide of the Amalekites, the Canaanites, etc, he "hardened" the Pharaoh's heart on purpose to make him refuse releasing the Hebrews, so he would have an excuse to punish him more, he killed the firstborn of all the Egyptians, he killed the non-Hebrew slaves of the Egyptians with his hail and lightning plague, and so on.
talking snake
>>18097096>Christcuck arguments>IT'S IN THE BIBLE!Cool, so Superfudge happened too?>GOD SAID SORefutes nothing>YOU'RE GOING TO HELLLol
>>18097120>It's wrong because Prof. Christcuck from Christcuck U said so
>>18099096Talking donkey too
>>18097096I'm gonna say things straight to the face, and you still will fail because you'll believe a book instead... 1. I'm a demon. 2. From another dimension. 3. Pennywise is real, he's a brother and family. 4. I'm on Earth. 5. I don't think you will make it. 6. My least worry is Jesus.
>>18099127what is your most worry
>>18099133Honest? Finding decent metal
>>18097096Half of these completely annihilate Christianity though.
>>18097096mocking isn't refutation
>>18097412>>18097393>>18097383Why don't they just convert to Marcionism and spare themselves the humiliation of following a genitally mutilated pharisaic rabbi? They'd even get to keep all the Jesus crap. Why do these people have a pathological need to be subservient to the jews? Is it because they were shown holocaust films as small children?
>>18099169Marcion literally worshipped the ground Paul Walked on what do you mean they would spare the humilliation.
>>18099169>>18099189Marcion WAS Paul
>>18099189I thought Marcion's whole schtick was that yahweh is an evil cacodaemon. How the fuck would he square that with Paulinism?
>>18097096Christian arguments:>God is real because I say so>Atheists are faggots>If God not real why thing happen>I'm not monkey>Fedora euphoria>My religion is right, all others are wrong :)>Why can't other people see my made-up God>ur gay lol>Out of context Bible verse
>>18099192>I thought Marcion's whole schtick was that yahweh is an evil cacodaemon. Yeah it was. He constantly yuxtaposed Jesus against Jewish religion. Basically one of the first Christian Gnostics.> How the fuck would he square that with Paulinism?He only used ten of the Epistles: Galatians, 1 Corinthians, 2 Corinthians, Romans, 1 Thessalonians, 2 Thessalonians, Laodiceans(this one is apocryphal and lost), Colossians, Philemon, and Philippians. And his own custom Gospel that is kind of similar to Luke.
>>18097096Kike on a stick
>>18099255Uh he was a Judean Israelite on a wooden cross ackshually
>>18097108If you see the oppression of the poor, and the violent taking away of justice and righteousness in a district, don’t marvel at the matter, for one official is eyed by a higher one, and there are officials over them.
>>18099268sheeit just like my nigga George Floyd
>>18097118kek did he really get Zutted like many are saying??
Jews really make shitskins mald. Curious.
>>18099328Indians love Israel
>>18099371Brown people usually do.
>>18097103Christianity means never being funny
Is free will the biggest cop out in all of theology? There is this frame work but also le free will.
>>18101010Could just have a God who doesn't punish people but noooo those child molesters need to burn forever because God also made children too attractive to them.
>>18097364Those who identify themselves as Israel or Jews today have no actual connection to the ancient or biblical Jews. They are hallucinating that they have anything in common or any connection in any way whatsoever.
>>18097467>jews are the master at the table while goyim are dogsThose who claim to be Jews actually don't have anything to do with the biblical Jews in the Bible in the first place.
>>18099169Those who claim to be Jews today have no connection to the ancient or biblical Jews.
>>18097103>You aren’t allowed to make fun of arrogant people who indoctrinate people with logically flawed arguments, dehumanize Christians, engage in ruthless mockery, and promote detrimental anti-intellectualism in society ADVOCATING? For…. your OWN cause? Funny, that doesn’t seem very… CHRISTIAN of you…
>>18101561>>18101568>>18101581
>>18101581>I don't worship jews I just worship this other group of mohels who suck baby dick when it's 8 days old
>>18097119>unfalsifiableNope, most theists, especially those engaging in organized religion, especially those based on the bible, are based on very concrete claims that are easily falsified.You will never set your sacrificial meat on fire simply by praying it will, a cone of fire will never descend upon your head when you make a good decision, you will never float off into space because you cut your dick off to avoid temptation like jesus commanded.
>>18097120If your will is free from god's control, then he is not omnipotent, its literally the first line in epicurus statement.
>>18097315Then fly to space with a tongue of fire on your head for all to see like jesus did.
>>18097308If you had free will, you could freely choose that every action you take is not a sin, so it would be impossible for someone with free will.
>>18097311If someone had free will, anything they pictured would be that if they wanted it to be, they wouldn't have to close their eyes, they could freely manifest a crisp royal gala apple rotating 3600.
>>18097339Because there isn't an omnipotent malevolent being either, things just happen and some are good, some are bad, some are both, some are neither.
>>18097376So why can't you choose to make it comprehend if you have so much free will yourself?
>>18097367Beside christ and paul what other jews do you worship, jew worshiper?
>>18097395Are they implying they married their sister to breed with?
>>18097423So what is the context and why do you have to imply instead of just saying it?
>>18097096Fedoras haven't been atheists for a long time. They were so relentlessly mocked that they transitioned to larping as Christians instead, kinda like you and the guy in your pic are doing.
>>18097096You literally believe in a magic flying rabbi.
>>18097540>the best way to get rid of rabid dogs is to become a rabid dog yourself.No, retard.
>>18097549Regular jews only recommended cutting off a small part of the cock and balls to get right with god, but jesus told his followers to cut it all off to help avoid temptation, so you definitely aren't living the life jesus recommended.
>>18097566So why are you impotently spouting off other people's retarded cliches under the guise of anonymity if you are so brave and wise yourself?
>>18097120>God hardened pharaoh's heart
>>18097381>modern jews aren't the israelites of the bible>What about genetic studies that show that most of the paternal DNA is of middle eastern, levantine origin and similar to the paternal DNA of samaritans and many palestinians?>Why do many modern ashkenazi jews look like arabs?>Why do haredi jews behave like arabs?>ashkenazi Jews are khazars>What about the sephardi and mizrahi?>They are ediomites.>What does that mean any genetic studies proving it?>*cricket sounds*
>>18101768damn
>>18099138understandable.
>>18101880>only a small partshut up herpes mohelI know what you wretches do, and it unGodly
>>18101877>become one yourselfI didn't say I'm converting to talmudism though
>>18101906>97.5% non-Levantine genescope squatter
>>18101752I exercise my free will to not fly into spacealso I'm not Jesus
>>18101756you are confusing free will with Omnipotence maybe in your native tongue hey are the same, but not in English
>>18097563>>18097581>(((Augustine)))
>>18097096All atheists are terminally menstrual shitheads.God is mean to them because they are faggots.
>>18102479God keeps creating faggots he must like them
>>18102512They choose to become that way actually, and they fully deserve to burn and suffer for eternity for that decision.
>god is meanNo he's not real.>Christians are meanI know Christians who are the kindest, most generous people I have ever met. I also know others who are complete scum. They're people, no better or worse on average than others.>If god real whyAs an atheist, I will never begin any argument with the premise that god is real, because he isn't.>Shelfish polyester????>Too many religion ;(This is a valid point, your refusal to address it seriously just underscores your lack of rebuttal. >Why can't I look outside and see GodA valid point, given God wasn't this shy back in the bronze age when the Bible was written. If the entire basis of your religion does not in fact set accurate expectations for your deity's behavior, when why follow the book at all?>If god is realHe isn't. See above.>Out of context Bible verseHow much context to obvious falsehoods need to become true? Lies are lies, and the bible is full of lies.
>>18097395It's funny when you realize the dreaded Babylonian Talmud inked in hell by the blood of gentile baby genitals is literally just hundreds of pages of exactly this kind of argument.
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>>18102753The "holy scripture" becomes something like a deity for abrahamics, it's most pronounced in muslims.
>>18102772 if Adam had freely chosen to be gay and asked God to remake Eve as Steve would he have burned in Hell?
>>18102976god would have to recreate mankind probably
>>18097096> If God real why bad thing happen> I'm Monkey> Too many religion ;(> Why can't I look outside and see GodAll of those pretty strong cases against Christianity and I've never seen a good answer for any of them.
>>18103314Would have, or did? How many times before he made a man dumb enough to fall for a woman?
>>18101631No, you see, that's not an issue, as we have redefined omnipotence to being the power to do all things -logically- possible.
>>18103792The trinity being conveniently exempt, of course. He can still be 3 and one.
>>18097151Here's the thing, though. Christianity is supposed to be a universal religion. Your idea that paganism will or is supposed to make a comeback isn't going to happen in a globalized world. We have too many connections through technology and commerce and the idea someone is going to miraculously bring back Roman imperium is highly misguided and something someone who just got out of 7th grade thinks is going to happen. Rational science cannot guarantee higher meaning above empirical judgements and there needs to be something that not only answers questions about right action and the good life that isn't rooted also in fantastical "possible worlds" can no longer be attained due to the march of history. The idea that every ethnic group can live in a communal setting free from interaction with other communities not only is unsustainable but also ignores the facts that states always seek their own advantage at the behest of others. So a union of principalities under Rome or another holy capital is much more feasible than thinking that we can just separate ourselves from a larger imperial order and become self-reliant, ignoring concepts such as communication, commerce and political power.
>>18103841True
>>18097118lmao, I'm dying.
>>18097120>First, Plantinga pointed out that omnipotence is the power to do all things logically possible, and thus God could not be expected to do things that are logically impossible according to modal logic.[7] God could not, for example, create square circles, act contrary to His nature, or, more relevantly, create beings with free will that would never choose evil.[8] Taking this latter point further, Plantinga argued that the moral value of human free will is a credible offsetting justification that God could have as a morally justified reason for permitting the existence of evil.[9] Plantinga did not claim to have shown that the conclusion of the logical problem is wrong, nor did he assert that God's reason for allowing evil is, in fact, to preserve free will. Instead, his argument sought only to show that the logical problem of evil was invalid.[10]This is relying on bounding God with human logic. Essentially it destroys the premise of omnipotence, because modal logic is just a human construct, rather than being something that God would abide by with his superhuman capabilities. When approached with the question, "Could God create a stone too heavy he couldn't lift it", Plantinga's line of thinking would say, that is logically impossible and therefore couldn't happen. This is a direct contradiction to something like Descartes's version of God, where he could do both. This doesn't address the problem, this sidesteps the issue of omnipotence by chaining God with limitations derived from human perception of what is logical or illogical.
>>18103773Yeah they're strong cases if you only believe in concepts that can be attested through empiricism. It doesn't explain things like states of consciousness (Platonic rationalism) or the existence outside of it (Aristotelian realism) both of which are the root of Christian philosophy it only explains systems that exist after the age of reason, Descartes et al and everything after.
>>18103868I've come to the conclusion that the reason that so many posters here are obsessed with skin color is they're Indian and their Varna caste system places a great deal of emphasis upon that. White is holy to Hindus thats why they post race bait to westerners
>>18097173>molinism>god knows every future, but not which you'll chooseThis is just logically inconsistent.
>>18104084>that repressed passive-aggressive leftist seethekek
>>18097474Can I see it?
>>18097193This
>>18099169You can't convert to Marcionism because the theology was lost. People have roughly reconstructed what he thought based on what people who hated him described. Which is a very inexact science. There's also the issue where the theology changed with time, with there being a mysterious 'God of Justice' that is included in late Marcionite practice, long after Marcion himself died. >>18099192Marcion believed that God and the God described in the Old Testament were different characters. You have to reference back to Greek theology here, where Marcion divided creation up between the spiritual world and the material world. The spiritual world was founded by the real God, but the material world was created by a demonic false God called YHWH who made this a realm to rule over brutishly. We all have a spirit that is bound in a meat suit, but the spirit is actually our primary component. The spiritual world in general is the foundation for the universe, the material world exists conditionally because of it. Jesus was sent by the real God, to help free us from this material prison through his teachings, but there wasn't any gnostic obscurantism here. Marcion believed that the text in the mainstream synoptic Gospels like the Gospel of Luke was enough to follow Jesus's path. And Paul's letters (without the controversial Pastoral Epistles) were the second half of Christ's theology. And that this was something to be spread as wide as possible and taught as clearly as possible.
>>18097647There is no genetic evidence of substantial Steppe ancestry in modern Jews. The historical novelty of one tribe's leadership converting to Judaisim instead of Christianity or Islam is interesting, but not meaningful regarding the history of religion. Genetics tells us modern European Jews are distantly related to ancient Jews, and primarily exist as descendants of Jewish diaspora communities in Southern Italy that spread out from there.
>>18104728>The spiritual world in general is the foundation for the universe, the material world exists conditionally because of it.I know this is a Gnostic position but do you happen to remember a source for Marcion believing this? My impression was that his dualism was even sharper than the Gnostics.
>>18104765That was the conventional view for all Greek intellectuals since before the time of Plato. His dualism is sharper, most Gnostic cults basically considered their Demiurge to be an idiot, not initially malicious.
>>18098073Autism, they just got a bad roll and this became their autistic obsession instead of something productive.
>>18097118kek
