>>18097284
Why would they be false?

>>18097356
Because they're written by jews.

>>18097368
Jews were the pen, but God's still the writer:

"For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost. " (2 Peter 1:21)

>>18097382
Cope

Your prophecies had a timetable and failed

>>18097284
Refers to a future generation

>>18097385
The only timetable given is "this generation" which doesn't mean the people alive back then, and we know this from what's said in the very same speech: "And the gospel must first be published among all nations. " (Mark 13:10)

That alone (the time it would have taken back then) makes it impossible for "generation" to mean anything but the state of unbelief and rebellion the jews would continue to be in until the end times, which are indeed approaching.

>>18097405
> The only timetable given is "this generation" which doesn't mean the people alive back then, and we know this from what's said in the very same speech: "And the gospel must first be published among all nations.”
He meant the people sitting in that field with him. He thought God was two weeks away from returning.

>>18097794
He who?

>>18097405
>casually swaps meaning of a word with something that is never implied with it to fit the narrative

>>18097806
> He who?
Yeshua

>>18097818
Jesus is God
Of course He knows when He will return
He also said something about the actual hour being known to the Father alone but the Son is Co-Aeternal so if He doesn't know it's by choice just like by choice He submits to the Authority of the Father because their relationship is one of perfect love. The hierarchies we ascribe to the Trinity, while Gospel-substantiated should be treated with care lest they cause strife and division

>>18097827
> Jesus is God
Or he was a standard very human apocalyptic prophet (fairly common at the time) and was wrong.
I also wanted to point out that Jesus does not claim to be God in the Gospels and Paul didn’t think Jesus was God either.

>>18097284
>Mark 13:30
Telling that you left out the text.
>Verily I say unto you, that this generation shall not pass, till all these things be done.
"This generation" is the generation around during the time of the prophecy. Your first example was a joke, so I'm not looking up the other two. You are going to burn in Hell, forever, because you rejected Jesus Christ. Tick tock!

>>18097818
I'm asking because this makes zero sense:

>He thought God was two weeks away from returning.

given that Jesus Himself is God.

>>18097818
>Yeshua
Enjoy burning.

>>18097892
Thats his name though

>>18097898
he's gonna tell you that "yeshua" is never mentioned in the bible now and will ignore the fact if you explain that the original hebrew name was transliterated later

>>18097898
No, it's not. His name is Jesus, and there is none other name under heaven given amongst men whereby we MUST be saved. Tick tock.

>>18097858
>I also wanted to point out that Jesus does not claim to be God in the Gospels

"And God said unto Moses, I AM THAT I AM: and he said, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, I AM hath sent me unto you. " (Exodus 3:14)

"Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am. " (John 8:58)

>and Paul didn’t think Jesus was God either.

"That thou keep this commandment without spot, unrebukeable, until the appearing of our Lord Jesus Christ: Which in his times he shall shew, who is the blessed and only Potentate, the King of kings, and Lord of lords; Who only hath immortality, dwelling in the light which no man can approach unto; whom no man hath seen, nor can see: to whom be honour and power everlasting. Amen. " (1 Timothy 6:14-16)

>>18097886
>given that Jesus Himself is God.
Jesus never claimed to be God.

>>18097913
Tick tock.

>>18097910
You sound retarded

>>18097924
On the clock
but the party don't stol

>>18097925
>God's word sounds retarded
Keep stoking those flames, freak.

>>18097932
panties twisted, very deep between your ass cheeks, chafing your anus, making you cranky

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>>18097284
If you think that is bad then wait until you realize that the Old Testament wasn't even necessarily based entirely on animal sacrifices. Christians have to frame it like that otherwise people won't buy what they're selling.
https://jewsforjudaism.org/knowledge/articles/leviticus-1711/

>>18097968
Anything that contradicts scripture is pure garbage and retardation.

>>18097912
Paul did not write Timothy.

And the Jesus in John was certainly a higher christology, but not God himself. He could have “exited” at the time of Abraham, but not be literally God.

>>18097985
That's what I'm saying. Christianity contradicts the teaching of the Tanakh, therefore it is, as you put it, garbage.

>>18098001
Flames. Hotter.

>>18098001
Irrespective of how you define Christianity, the New Testament perfectly complements the Old and vice versa. If you're reading a "contradiction" that's either something other than the KJV or it's lack of knowledge and spiritual insight on your part.

>>18097991
>Paul did not write Timothy.
Sure, you don't like it, out it goes. Have fun with your lil game.

>>18098019
Wow, great argument. God's anger is not forever so neither is hell.

>>18098026
Man can't die for another man's sins and God can't die. Your man-god is false.

>>18098044
God in His totality cannot, but the incarnation of His Eternal Son could and did.

>>18098044
>And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night
Enjoy.

>>18098036
>you don't like it
No, it doesn’t read like anything we know Paul wrote. It’s a forgery.

>>18098079
>I reject God's word.
Which means that you reject Jesus. Which means you aren't saved. Which means Hell. Which means you lose. Which means....

I win!

>>18098079
Your delusion is not my problem. Take your bitchy larp to God and see how well that goes.

Either all are forgiven and things are all fixed, or God is not God. Sequestering a portion incompatible, makes no sense if the goal is to torment or punish them, for something rendered outside of their control as alleged. All organization in pursuit of dominance is a human invention. Right and wrong are fabrications humans deluded cling to, because they are taught not to wield the very original sin they are beaten over the head with as to why they deserve struggles at all. The arguments defeat themselves as do my opponents. If right and wrong, and knowledge be a blessing and curse alike, why is it all vanity then? For a show of glory from one who needs nothing? Nothing mysterious about those who would use recursive logic to recuse themselves while tightening the leash on those they deem slaves in all demented psychosis. It all folds and unravels simultaneously at all scales. So what is the composition of the written decrees and verdicts? What is excusable and what is not? By account of all the religions, all is permitted, and nothing is. Paradox by design. To sow discourse? Possibly. To sow subjugation in lieu of legitimate authority? Probable. Doesnt help that forthcoming and consistent dialogues and rectifications are not sought, for the very reasons Christ actually warned against. But even in that, how do we define false teachers? By their fruits. Tell me, what fruits have been brought forth by how all conduct themselves? A curious matter. And no, the devil is not the answer. As much as he offered to Christ, he offered not to make things right in the world himself. So what distinction is there in the opposition of those to Christ? They have none. Just a meand to chatter and sell the same things a different way in their cheap rotations. Tradition. Lol. There never was tradition that was real that humanity begot. Not one. Not in any efficacy or sanctity sufficient. Babylon was deemed the closest. Yet I would question why Babylon really fell.

>>18098098
LarpGPT. tldr

>>18098098
>Either all are forgiven and things are all fixed, or God is not God.
Chapter and verse. King James. I'm not reading that wall of text.

>>18097284
The prophecy came true about 40 years later. You're behind on your anti-christian apologetics because the new way to argue against these verses is to claim they were written after AD 66-70, not to say that what they claim will happen did not happen.

>>18098065
Human flesh is never a valid sacrifice.

>>18098075
You can't quote the source that is being questioned as evidence for itself. If this worked then the Mormon claims would be one hundred percent verified by its own scripture.

>>18098138
>You can't quote the source that is being questioned as evidence for itself.
Yes, I can. The King James Bible is self-verifying.

>>18098138
>Human flesh is never a valid sacrifice
If it's God manifest in the flesh as Jesus was, it absolutely is, specifically the shedding of His blood. Anybody else's blood won't save you out of a bag of cheetos.

>>18098164
shall we do the "piece of paper says you're a faggot" thought experiment again?

>>18098164
The Mormon church awaits your arrival. They have an even newer revelation that is self-verifying.

>>18098171
No. Hebrews 9:22 makes this claim and along with Romans 5:12 (original sin) we see the same formula as the modern carbon tax scam. You are a carbon based life form and carbon destroys the planet. You must repent (pay taxes) for this immutable human condition. Christianity is also flawed because Jeremiah warns that sacrifices alone won't save you. Christianity doubles down on the idea that it will. There are many examples of atonement in the Tanakh without bloodshed.
>Daniel lived in between the two temples and he told Nebuchadnezzar to atone by giving charity.
>The non-Jews of Nineveh were spared from God's wrath without any blood being shed.
>Solomon prophetically warns about what to do if there was no access to the temple.
>God even forgives people simply because he is based and merciful.
This is why Judaism always had a basis for existing outside of the sacrificial system.

>>18097858
John 1:1
And Jesus' story only makes sense if read the Trinitarian way

>>18098202
>John 1:1
A divine person, not God. I'll grant you this is absolutely the closest the gospels ever get to claiming Jesus was literally God.
>And Jesus' story only makes sense if read the Trinitarian way,
Yes, if you read the bible backwards looking for Trinitarianism, you will find it.

>>18098222
>a god
that's how JW read it and they are heretics also very wrong
>if you look for it you will find it
It does not bother me in the slightest when I encounter it but I do not go into the Gospel specifically to look for it in order to win some Christological debate. However, the Trinity is present throughout the Gospel, and the power of God is felt most (in my opinion) in Christ's Word. I used to read an online Gospel (KJV) where the Lord's Words were highlighted in red. It is not absolutely necessary but can help focus

Romans 10:18
18 But I ask, have they not heard? Indeed they have, for

“Their voice has gone out to all the earth,
and their words to the ends of the world.”

Colossians 1:5-6
5 because of the hope laid up for you in heaven. Of this you have heard before in the word of the truth, the gospel, 6 which has come to you, as indeed in the whole world it is bearing fruit and increasing—as it also does among you, since the day you heard it and understood the grace of God in truth,

Colossians 1:23
23 if indeed you continue in the faith, stable and steadfast, not shifting from the hope of the gospel that you heard, which has been proclaimed in all creation[g] under heaven, and of which I, Paul, became a minister.

Clearly Paul wrote that the gospel had been preached to the whole world.

>>18098222
Have fun burning.
>>18098200
>>18098177
Tick tock.

>>18098200
Consider the following:

"For the life of the flesh is in the blood: and I have given it to you upon the altar to make an atonement for your souls: for it is the blood that maketh an atonement for the soul. " (Leviticus 17:11)

>Daniel lived in between the two temples and he told Nebuchadnezzar to atone by giving charity.

"Wherefore, O king, let my counsel be acceptable unto thee, and break off thy sins by righteousness, and thine iniquities by shewing mercy to the poor; if it may be a lengthening of thy tranquillity. " (Daniel 4:27)

That's not atonement for the soul as a blood sacrifice would have been, that's a "get your shit together or God's gonna deal with you" type warning.

>The non-Jews of Nineveh were spared from God's wrath without any blood being shed.

"¶ And God saw their works, that they turned from their evil way; and God repented of the evil, that he had said that he would do unto them; and he did it not. " (Jonah 3:10)

Again, no soul or blood involved, just spared an earlier death.

>Solomon prophetically warns about what to do if there was no access to the temple.

That's only valid when there's a temple standing and you just can't access it, but God destroyed it because of Israel's open rebellion against Him and the murder of the only One that can atone for our sins, so without temple the atonement is now exclusively through Jesus Christ.

>God even forgives people simply because he is based and merciful.

Again, you could be forgiven a number of ways (which's not the same as cleansed, a requirement for heaven) under the OT system, but that system is no longer in place and salvation is now a matter of your relationship with the Son of God. Die rejecting him and it's over.

>>18098270
>the Trinity is present throughout the Gospel
Again, only if you are looking for it. The Jesus of the Synoptic gospels has a lower Christology. He is "son of God" much like how people thought Augustus Caesar was the "son of a God" and in Mark he literally becomes at at his Baptism.

>>18098332
Hosea 3:4
>For the children of Israel shall abide many days without king or prince, without sacrifice or sacred pillar, without ephod or teraphim.
Even when the temple was standing a poor person could offer flour. They offer incense in Numbers 16. Many examples. The sacrifices are meant to reinforce the entire intent of returning to God because you give up something material in favor of the spiritual.
2 Samuel 12:13, Pslam 51:16, Micah 6:6, 1 Samuel 15:22, Hosea 14:23, Proverbs 10:2 Proverbs 11:4 Proverbs 16.6 Proverbs 21:3, Hosea 6:6

>>18098364
That is why the four Gospels are read in a certain order (usually) and John is read at more significant moments. The Early Church Fathers settled on these four under the guidance of the Holy Spirit, otherwise we would have had 40+, most of them contradicting each other on major points. It would have been like the hadiths but worse

>>18098394
Corect. And now you don't even have to offer anything at all, you just need to believe in the Lord Jesus Christ and all your sin debt is forgiven.

>>18098468
>And now you don't even have to offer anything at all
That's been the case long before Jesus ever showed up. God told Cain that sin can be mastered and in Numbers 23 God says he doesn't change his mind. Jesus is a fifth wheel. Also, even if a human sacrifice was allowed his didn't meet the requirements of a valid one according to the laws in Leviticus.

>>18098494
>That's been the case long before Jesus ever showed up.God told Cain that sin can be mastered

They were already offering things to God back then, but it was Abel's blood sacrifice what pleased God and not Cain's salad.

>and in Numbers 23 God says he doesn't change his mind.

Verse?

"And the LORD repented of the evil which he thought to do unto his people. " (Exodus 32:14)

God changes His mind according to the way people respond to Him. What He doesn't do is contradict Himself by not fulfilling prophecies and promises. He also establishes different systems for different people at different points in time for different purposes, so the commandments and promises that Noah received of God are not exactly the same as those Abraham received, and then Moses, other people in between and finally the Apostles by the hand of Jesus.

>Jesus is a fifth wheel. Also, even if a human sacrifice was allowed his didn't meet the requirements of a valid one according to the laws in Leviticus.

On the contrary, it checks every box.

>>18098547
>On the contrary, it checks every box.
Clearly, not any spilled blood is accepted by the Torah as a sacrifice. Jesus' crucifixion may qualify as an atonement according to the Greek Testament, but since his blood was not offered on the altar, it is not in line with what the Torah mandates. There are actually several other factors which would render the crucifixion of Jesus an unacceptable sacrifice. According to the Biblical rules in Leviticus, all sacrifices had to be offered by a Priest who descends from Aaron. This was not the case in the death of Jesus, who was crucified by Roman soldiers. Additionally, Biblical law prohibited any sacrifice which was blemished or maimed (Leviticus 22:19-21). However, prior to his crucifixion, Jesus was whipped and beaten (Matthew 27:26, Mark 15:19, John 19:3) which would render him unfit. Furthermore, Jesus was circumcised in the flesh, which according to Philippians 3:2 and Galatians 5:12 is considered mutilation.

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>>18097870
>"This generation" is the generation around during the time of the prophecy.
Haven't you read where the Bible says the following two things:

"A seed shall serve him; it shall be accounted to the Lord for a generation.
They shall come, and shall declare his righteousness unto a people that shall be born, that he hath done this."
(Psalm 22:30-31)

"But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light:
Which in time past were not a people, but are now the people of God: which had not obtained mercy, but now have obtained mercy."
(1 Peter 2:9-10)

>>18098574
>but since his blood was not offered on the altar, it is not in line with what the Torah mandates.

Neither were the lambs sacrificed in Egypt to shoo away the angel of death. That's why Jesus is called the passover Lamb.

>There are actually several other factors which would render the crucifixion of Jesus an unacceptable sacrifice. According to the Biblical rules in Leviticus, all sacrifices had to be offered by a Priest who descends from Aaron

He's the high priest after the order of Melchizedek, who was around long before Aaron showed up.

>This was not the case in the death of Jesus, who was crucified by Roman soldiers.

Jesus was murdered by the pharisees and the priesthood class (Just as Daniel prophesied He would be). The romans only facilitated the end at their demand.

>Additionally, Biblical law prohibited any sacrifice which was blemished or maimed (Leviticus 22:19-21) However, prior to his crucifixion, Jesus was whipped and beaten (Matthew 27:26, Mark 15:19, John 19:3) which would render him unfit

Not applicable since He's not an animal and prophecy was being fulfilled:

"As many were astonied at thee; his visage was so marred more than any man, and his form more than the sons of men: " (Isaiah 52:14)

>Furthermore, Jesus was circumcised in the flesh, which according to Philippians 3:2 and Galatians 5:12 is considered mutilation.

"Beware of dogs, beware of evil workers, beware of the concision. For we are the circumcision, which worship God in the spirit, and rejoice in Christ Jesus, and have no confidence in the flesh. " (Philippians 3:2-3)

"And I, brethren, if I yet preach circumcision, why do I yet suffer persecution? then is the offence of the cross ceased. I would they were even cut off which trouble you. " (Galatians 5:11-12)

Fake news. Literally no mention of such a thing, but it wouldn't matter anyways as previously stated.

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>>18097968
The Church doesn’t say God needs blood to forgive it says God chose to use blood sacrifice as the sign of life offered for sin. Leviticus 17:11 isn’t about “the only way to atone,” it’s explaining why blood was sacred: life belongs to God.

In the OT, prayer, repentance, and charity also brought forgiveness (Daniel 4:27, Psalm 51), but the sacrifices symbolized that sin leads to death and that life must be offered back to God. Christ fulfills that symbolism once for all: He is both priest and victim (Heb 7–10). His death isn’t a random human execution it’s a self-offering that completes the meaning behind every Temple ritual.

Verses like Deut 24:16 (“no one dies for another’s sin”) forbid humans punishing substitutes, but don’t apply to a divine person freely offering Himself. Isaiah 53 already foresaw the righteous servant who “bears the sin of many.”

So Catholics don’t deny repentance or prayer they say those now draw power from Christ’s one sacrifice, not apart from it. God could forgive any way He wanted; He chose this way to show both justice and mercy at once.

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>this generation actually means.. something else even though he specifically mentions people standing around him

lol cope. Paul was also under the impression he and the 1st century christians were going to get raptured

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>>18097284
People forget Jesus in Matt 24 / Mark 13 / Luke 21 was answering two questions at once:

“When will the Temple be destroyed?”
“What will be the sign of your coming and the end of the age?” (Matt 24:3)

So His reply deliberately blends a near-term event and an ultimate one a standard Hebrew-prophetic style sometimes called prophetic telescoping (see Isaiah 13 or Daniel 9). The partial fulfillment is Jerusalem’s destruction in 70 AD. “Not one stone left on another” (Matt 24:2) literally happened when the Romans burned the Temple. Eusebius Church History 3.5 says Christians fled to Pella, just as Jesus warned. Luke 21:20–24 explicitly ties “this generation” to that siege exactly as predicted.

Now the ultimate fullfilment would be the cosmic “coming of the Son of Man.” Early Fathers (Origen, Chrysostom, Augustine) and the ancient Orthodox and Catholic church teach that 70 AD prefigures the final judgment. The first “coming” in judgment on Jerusalem foreshadows the universal Parousia.

“Heaven and earth” was a rabbinic idiom for the covenant world of Israel (Isaiah 51:15-16). So when that world passes (Temple destroyed), His word endures.

The “coming of the Son of Man” is a coming in authority, not only the final Parousia. Daniel 7:13-14 (which Jesus quotes) pictures the Son of Man coming on the clouds to the Ancient of Days toward God, not down to earth. Thus, in 70 AD Christ “came” in judgment and vindication the Temple’s fall publicly confirmed His enthronement. That’s how the early Fathers like Origen and many saints such as St. John Chrysostom read it, the “coming” first refers to His divine judgment manifested in history, and finally to the ultimate return.

This reconciles because the Kingdom of God is not some visible structure but as scripture says 'is in the midst of us', and its been this mystical structure of the Catholic Church for 2000 years.

>>18098701
Paul didn’t make a failed “rapture prediction.” In 1 Thess 4 he used “we who are alive” as normal inclusive speech, not prophecy. In later letters he clearly expects to die (Phil 1, 2 Tim 4). Also the rapture is a made up invention made recently by protestants. He taught expectancy, not a countdown.

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>>18098637
>>18098697
It just doesn't seem to makes sense even within the context of it's own narrative. How can he be sinless if you can't tempt God to begin with? Even if you could tempt God, why would he care about any offer when his skin suit larp has superpower mode and doesn't have any temptation mortals do?
>can't get sick because he can heal
>doesn't have hunger problems because he conjures food
>even conjures money at one point
>infinite respawns
>main villain (retard) tries bribing God with the world God created
>nigga just floated up to heaven going lol remembering he is still God
I get the symbolism everyone is trying to invoke but at the end of the day it is just word games. pic related, the lamb of god.

>>18098915
Different anon here.

>How can he be sinless if you can't tempt God to begin with?

How can God be sinless? the whole point is that Jesus was the incarnation of God, so He retained the sinless nature that He always had since eternity past. The human body was necessary for His suffering and death on the cross, to be able to shed His physical sinless blood (otherwise impossible had He showed up as an Angel of the Lord like He did in OT times), and to finally give man someone they can relate to in their human experience so that this hit piece can be set aside for good:

"Hast thou eyes of flesh? or seest thou as man seeth? Are thy days as the days of man? are thy years as man's days, That thou inquirest after mine iniquity, and searchest after my sin? " (Job 10:4-6)

>>18097807
Yeah it's called apologetics.

>>18098915
18098637 is not the author of 18098697.

>>18097284
I thought "this generation" was fulfilled when John wrote Revelations, because that's exactly what he saw

>>18097807
>casually swaps meaning of a word with something that is never implied with it to fit the narrative
The context defines the word. Very common thing in the bible. Just look up the word "father". You have it mean biological/legal father, a grandfather, a patriarch, God Himself or even just a figure of authority as in 1 Samuel 24:11.

Also as I pointed out, the implication here is that it couldn't have happened back then due to the gospel needing to be preached arround the world first.

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>>18099417
>solves a problem he created
>that will be your soul enslavement plus tip

absolutely jewish

>>18097405
>"this generation" which doesn't mean the people alive back then
lol

>>18099417
>finally give man someone they can relate to in their human experience
He didn't relate at all. Just think about a video game for a second. The reason "God mode" is so fun is because the normal rules and limitations don't apply to you. No one gives someone the same respect for beating a game like that. Read the greentext again and ponder it.

>>18099831
I'm not going to pretend I understand anything you just said. Just have yourself a good day.

>>18099839
>claim he had human experience
>had no human struggle
It was a pointless charade.

>>18097405
Absolute cope

Yeah they are but thats fine. Every apocalyptic bible book thinks the end is imminent and theyre all wrong. The whole rhetorical point of the book is the end is near, obvious in paul and daniel too.

>>18099846
>>had no human struggle
Isaiah 53, in case you missed the 4 gospels.