I can’t morally refute veganism. It’s over
>>18098685Simply ask them their stance on the Tartars and watch the facade disappear.
>>18098695Mindbroken
>>18098695Could you elaborate on this? I’m interested in knowing the context.
>>18098685it's self-refuting masturbatory nonsense. so is vegetarianism but at least they aren't 100% retarded
You can always do what everyone else does and ignore your conscience
>>18098685If you have the means to afford it and aren’t a psychopath theres no argument against it. I don’t because im lazy and weak willed >>18098752Explain?
>>18098786Explain how being willfully omnivorous is bad without sounding like a bleeding heart sentimentalist
>>18098791My issue specifically is with industrial livestock farming which is absurdly evil so I'm probably not of the same opinion as OP, i have no problem with thirdies in villages keeping chickens and cows and stuff
>>18098812Industrial livestock farming might be the most evil thing humankind has ever done
>>18098819i'm glad people are waking up to this
i wonder how veganism, misoginy and the male dominion over natural world are connected
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>>18098848Learning about industrial animal agriculture actually made me a lot happier in life because i realized literally no matter how bad my life could become it would never be as bad as how we treat animals. Also because the grossness and terribleness of the world finally made sense, i felt crazy like life kind of sucks? im in pain very constantly? and then you learn at some point, oh wait, there are 20 billion mammals a year being born into factories, my gut feeling that things are pretty bad was right. and finally it made me feel better because i could actively choose to not contribute to it financially anymore
Meat eating is a necessary result of the flawed and brutal world we reside. The lion will eat the zebra regardless of what you do. It is also difficult to maintain all your nutritional needs without meat. We are designed to consume the flesh of other creatures (to some extent).
>>18098869at this point we're not talking about meat eatingbut the unbearable evilness of industrial farming
>>18098869I don't think it is actual difficult to meet nurritional needs. I'm been vegetarian for years and I just take an iron supplement every other day, works for me, no health issues
What makes evryone think that life is inherently sacred? Are lives of plants sacred too? Why?! Glorifying a biochemical process is weird.
>>18098685Either man is above the animals and therefore eating them requires no further justification OR man is merely another animal and therefore eating them is just another animal behavior that we can freely partake of.
>>18098997>man is above the animals and therefore eating them requires no further justificationAbrahamism is pure evil.
>>18099006You're just a nigger so animals are your equal. You vile beast.
>>18098685Veganism=the Halal/Kosher of Atheism
It is unbeatableWe no longer need to eat animals to survive, so when we eat them, we are harming and killing them unnecessarily. Non-animal alternatives are easy to acquire, aside from niche communities that are in the middle of nowhere >Harming animals unnecessarily isn't wrongThen you must have no issue with someone torturing a cat for fun, shooting a stray puppy for personal pleasure, bestiality, and so on>Plants feel pain tooPlants do not have a CNS so we have no reason to believe they suffer as we or animals do. If your argument is "we can't know that" then by that logic, we can't know if inanimate objects don't feel pain eitherEven if we were to accept that plants "feel pain", meat eaters do not believe killing a plant is equivalent to shooting a puppy. If we are to define "pain" as "exhibiting some behavior in response to damage, that implies a desire to minimize that damage or negative stimuli" then by that logic, individual cells in our body all "feel pain" too. Yet we do not equate scratching our arm, with killing a dog either.Lastly, even if we accept this argument to be true, being vegan kills fewer plants anyways because we need to grow agriculture specifically to feed the animals we raise for slaughter>Why are other animals allowed to eat meat?Because other animals do so out of survival, predators in nature do not have access to grocery stores or alternative food sources as easily as we do. If a human was stranded on a desert island and need to eat a rabbit to survive, that's fine. The majority of the time, most people in developed countries are not in a situation like that>Meat provides protein/bioavailable/is nutrient denseProtein is not exclusive to meat, any nutrients not found in animal products (such as B12) can be supplemented through fortified foods or a multivitamin. Bioavailability and nutrient density is resolved by simply eating a diverse diet (ie not only eating celery and nothing else)
>>18098685I canMeat tastes goodIt makes people healthy and strongGood taste, health, and strength increase general human happiness try to buy meat from farmers who raise livestock properly, without all the industrial cruelties if you're concerned about ethics
Meat is delicious
>>18098685Better kill every carnivore on earth then.
>>18098993So the solution is to take drugs? Huh
>>18098685It's not your fault you crave flesh. Blame the guy who made the world that way.
>>18098685God said we can eat the animals
>>18098997>>18099006Abrahamism evidently thinks that eating animals does require further justification than being above them since there was a huge gap between the creation, where man was given dominion over the animals, and after the flood, where man was given permission to eat meat.
>>18099034>>18098685Animals have no morals
>>18098685>veganismSorry jew, I'm going to eat the flesh of whatever animals I want because that is what God put them here for my people to do with them if we so choose. You can take your naohidism jew worship, and shove it up your ass.
>>18098685Morals are subjective. I'm not a hindi or a wh*te boy so I dint care about farm animals rights quite frankly.
>>18098685God gave us the entire animal kingdom to do with it as we see fit, and since it's God and God alone who sets the standard for what's right or wrong, moral or immoral, that means it's a 100% ok to eat flesh.
>>18098717It's some schizo anon who keeps rambling about the "Tartars" (presumably he means the Tatars)
>>18098812The world is evil my friend. Better get used to it.
You can easily refute a vegan but locking him in a cage with a lion.
>>18100046Like tater tots?
>>18098685I can. Sometimes causing pain is a good thing. That was easy.
>>18098685The only arguments I've seen on this thread is christcuck nonsense and "well I am le evil so idc" maybe there is no moral consumption of flesh. Try posting this to a higher iq board like /lit/ maybe this question is just too much for /pol/ with dates to answer.
>>18100241What makes animals have morals?
>>18098685its been over for a long time but pigs still taste good
already refuted
>>18100432Gluten allergies aren't real.
>>18100435>some people think they have celiac disease when they do not>therefore it does not exist
>>18100384When did I say animals have morals you moron I just said there hasn't been a good refutation in this thread. Just because animals aren't moral actors doesn't make it moral to deliver harm onto them there has to be a different standard.
>>18098685Veganism makes you malnourished and it is immoral to encourage malnourishment, it's that simple.
>>18100821Why do you think that farming of animals neccessarily involves harming them?
>>18100073Based.
>>18099034A vegan diet lets you avoid starvation, but it is not at all healthy and can shorten your life. And while supplements for crucial animal nutrients exist, supplements are not readily available to all, especially if everyone was to switch to a vegan diet.>but muh painWith the right regulations in place animals can live happy and carefree lives with much less pain than in the wild, honestly much less pain than the average human experiences, and of course their ultimate death can also be painless.
>>18100442It honestly must really suck to have an extremely rare and extremely debilitating condition and then have a bunch of bored normies make it into a fashion trend. Not only does it make everyone at large think you're "just pretending" but it must feel like the entire world is mocking you, like if you were born missing a leg and one day everyone suddenly started hopping on one foot around you.
Vegan is just another word for a plant genocider. What can be more immoral than the destruction of plants? Plants are defenseless, immobile, they can't run away or fight back. Plants are the soul of Earth, they create oxygen by harvesting the energies of the cosmos, the forests are home to most animals, algae maintains ocean life, plants are essential to any life on the planet. Every normal human would feel horrible seeing a sequoia cut down or beautiful flowers plucked out for no reason. Vegans suggest that we assault and eat the weakest members of our biosphere, they have no pangs of conscience about destroying plants by the billions. This is nigger behavior. Vegans are niggers.
>>18100889Because in the world, livestock are cultivated ultimately for profit. And if profit is not an incentive (socialist countries) then they are cultivated to bring pleasure to consumers. The way this is achieved necessitates creating as much product as possible and cutting as much costs to make this product, which means animal welfare (the largest expense besides wages of farm hands and slaughterhouse workers) is cut, which results in animals living in cramped conditions in their own filth which brings about bodily malformations and disease. On top of this the regimen to produce the best and fattest meat leads farmers to feed their animals harmful slop or leads them to overfeeding, which leads to health problems caused by overfeeding.In theory a free range farm that doesn't cut animal welfare and allows them to live before ultimately killing them for food would not be bad since eating meat is good and natural and meat provides us with nutrients that aren't found in the same abundance in plant life. This model however would never work in the scale that we want and would never be a profitable venture making meat unaffordable to most and unfeasible to make.>>18101622More plants are directly and indirectly killed through cattle and other domesticated animals both from consumption and the harm cattle especially wreak on the environment than by people who consume an all plant diet. If all 8 billion people in the world went vegan tomorrow, we would see a massive drop in the death of plant life since mass bred cattle would no longer consume such an excessive amount and our environment would become more hospitable to plant life.
>>18101681Free range farms would still provide meat for the masses, plebs just wouldn't be able to eat it every day, but that was the case for most of history. However, I am of the opinion that "factory farms" can be good enough with the right regulations.
>>18098685Why is it morally wrong to have a pet or wear clothes made of wool? Why shouldn't I use a horse to pull a plow?
>>18101681Boom no more factory farms. Is it still immoral to harvest wool or kill pigs, cows, and chicken? What about fishing or hunting? Those never involved giant factories.
>>18100241Why shouldn't humans wear wool clothing or use cows or horses to pull plows?
>>18098993Lentils, beans, peas, broccoli, spinach etc etc etcno nutritional needs are hard to come by in either you just have to pay attention to your diet. Being careless about your diet will kill you early regardless what you eat, you just die quicker if you're careless about a vegan one.
>>18100059Exactly, there's no moral answer, you are immoral or you stop those are the only options.
A lot of animals depend on predation to survive. Herbivores overpopulate. Domestic animals have no purpose and are then discarded. Salmon also do not reproduce. A lot of these animals just use their minds to survive and reproduce and don't have some big life goals to be ruined. They lack this existential dread that a human would have in their place. So when a human attempts to have sympathy they often overstep. Though their conditions could be improved in agriculture. But even if you end their predation you have to do so without "genociding" them or adulterating them, or other humans, badly in the process. The onions life isn't necessarily the good life.
>>18104983>onionsAs in s.o.y. I don't have a clue why this site defends consumption of a vegetable so much from criticism.
>>18100821Explain specifically how having a pet or wearing wool is immoral
>>18099021Retarded /pol/tranny
>>18098685>it's le bad to use products derived from animalsWhat would a vegan retard world even look like? Everyone sleeps on raw cotton/hemp and then eats roots and nuts three times a day? People like you were quickly put to death in nobler times. The industrial revolution was a mistake.
>>18098812>My issue specifically is with industrial livestockSo something that is irrelevant to the argument thay eating meat makes you evil
