He was created by a half-Roman, half-Jewish nobleman named Arrius Calpurnius Piso, a great-nephew of Vespasianus, who used the heteronyms Flavius Josephus, Plutarcus and Philo of Alexandria to justify the destruction of Jerusalem and the abandonment of the jews by Yahweh, who would have sided with Rome ("Therefore I tell you that the kingdom of God will be taken away from you and given to a people who will produce its fruit")As a nobleman, he was fully literate and could use many names in his works.His allies were Tacitus (Lucius Neratius Priscus), Pliny the Younger, Titus, Agripa II, Berenice, Suetonius (emperor Antoninus Pius).His enemies were Nero and DomitianArrius Piso, also known as Euphrates, died in 118 AD. His death in 118 CE is noted in historical records, with some sources identifying him as Arrius Calpurnius Piso. Date: 118 ADAliases: EuphratesOther notable facts: He had connections to Emperor Trajan, and his literary contributions were continued by his descendants.
The vast majority of historians believe Jesus did exist.
Way too genius to be true.Some say Yeshu was created by jews to subvert Rome, some say its created by the romans to subvert the jews.Either way..way too genius.
>>18099603>>18099716This. Anyone who thinks that only Jews could thoroughly read the scripture and assemble such a story has a kind of internalized Jewish supremacy.
>>18099603Jesus is a literary character. Whether he existed or not doesn't matter. His teachings are true and the Bible is still infallible.
>>18099603>>>/x/
>>18099603I need to know what drives you into making this kind of shit up. Like, what truncated form of textual criticism do you believe in that makes you think this is true.>>18099791Modernism.
>>18099798Anon, that was literally the exact opposite of what modernism is. That assertion denied objective reality and meaning entirely.
>>18099603Agrippa II and Berenice,who helped Rome destroy Jerusalem, were descendants of the Maccabees (Hasmonean dynasty) through their maternal ancestry, specifically through Mariamne I..The genealogical connection is as follows:Herod the Great married Mariamne I, who was a Hasmonean (Maccabean) princess.They had a son named Aristobulus IV.Aristobulus IV had a son Herod Agrippa I.Agrippa I and Berenice were the parents of Herod Agrippa II and his sister Berenice.Therefore, Agrippa II and Berenice had Hasmonean (Maccabean) blood in their veins through their great-grandmother, Mariamne I.Agrippa II and Berenice werebrothers and sons of Herod Agrippa IThey became prominent figures in Jewish-Roman history, with Agrippa II, a king who served the Romans, and Berenice, a woman who married several times and was the lover of Emperor Titus. Agrippa II and Berenice are known primarily from the Bible, where they are mentioned in Acts 25 and 26.Agrippa II : He was king of Judea and ruled several territories. During the Great Jewish Revolt, he supported the Romans and, according to records, became a capable ruler.Berenice : Agrippa II's sister, she was married to her uncle, the King of Chalcis, and after his death, she lived with her brother. She married King Polemus, but returned to live with Agrippa.Relationship with Titus : Berenice became the lover of the Roman general Titus, who later became emperor. They appeared together in Rome, but the circumstances of their disappearance from historical records remain unknown.Acts 25 and 26 : Agrippa II and Bernice are mentioned in the Bible in connection with the trial of the apostle Paul at Caesarea. Agrippa and Bernice heard Paul's defense, and the passage is often cited in biblical studies.
>>18099620Do they? Or do they just want to get hordes of screeching Christfaggots off their backs by throwing them the most slender of bones.
>>18099603>Other notable facts:From where did you get these facts?
>>18099603>tldrmeds
>>18099802Calling Jesus a literary character whose existence is irrelevant because his teachings are still true is a form of Modernism. As in, the catholic heresy modernism, not the artistic or literary movement.Now you may not be catholic, but I think it's still applicable to any christian insisting it is irrelevant if the central character of their religion existed or not.
>>18099825I am literally rejecting the enlightenment. You are trying to make an enlightenment based apologetics to your position.
>>18099603Sir Ronald Syme looks to have considered Lucius Neratius Priscus (the son, consul in 97) as being another name used by or for Publius Cornelius Tacitus.His father Lucius Neratius Priscus (consul 87) was adlected inter praetorios into the Roman Senate by Vespasian and Titus in either 73 or 74, most likely for his loyalty during the Year of Four EmperorsSyme, Sir Ronald (1988). Roman Papers (IV ed.). Clarendon Press, Oxford. p. 199.Syme, Sir Ronald (1968). "People in Pliny". Journal of Roman Studies. 58: 135–151.
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>>18099803>Jews destroyed Jerusalém
>>18099825Nothing stopped Christians from reducing all gods and scriptures to the level of fairy tales, deified humans, and demons. While they briefly considered pagan gods to be demons for some time, they've long since come to regard all of these as fairy tales or deified humans, meaning 99% of the planet worked with fake shitOkay, so how can 1% be true and 99% a lie?
Its actualy worse from a christian perspective, there was probably someone the pseudohistorical character of jesus christ is based on, there could of been several of them, christ basicaly means anointed, lots of anointed rabbis and mesianic sect leaders were arround at the time, a few of them made it big, one of them was apparently some jesus guy, thats it, he was a rabbi in a sect and he died, same as any religious figure before or since
>>18099603>He never existed.>He was created.Stopped reading.Things that are created exist.
>>18099989>most libtarded reddit continent on the planet may not be able to spread faggotry and multiculturalism through their NGOs soonGOOD
>>18099825>Calling Jesus a literary characterBecause this is what he is
>>18100276Harry Potter exists.
>>18101370Negro
>>18099603Cristão tem vergonha de Jeová e precisa apelar a um deus abstrato platônico.Perceberam isso?Sempre quando tu vai falar sobre deus com um cristão ele apela à filosofia grega e rejeita o Jeová da Bíblia.Nunca deixem isso acontecer.O deus cristão é o deus bíblico e não uma mente abstrata platônico-aristotélica.É um rei sentado nas nuvens (Marcos 16:19), um velho andando num jardim mágico (Genesis 3:8) ou um general das montanhas guiando soldados na guerra (Deuteronômio 23:13).Um psicopata sádico, ciumento e violento, que manda matar bebês, grávidas e estuprar meninas virgens.Nunca deixem cristãos apelarem a um suposto Deus-Primeiro Motor abstrato aristotélico porque esse não é o deus bíblico.O deus bíblico é exatamente como qualquer deus da antiguidade, uma espécie de homem mais poderoso e com sentimentos humanos criado para controlar camponeses analfabetos e totalmente ignorantes de como a natureza funciona.
>>18099620So?
>>18099620Fallacy of appeal to the crowd
>>18099873Se o cristianismo fosse realmente uma religião DE escravos como se pensa tradicionalmente, Nietzsche por exemplo, ela não diria coisas como "se teu senhor te comer de porrada, abaixe a cabeça e aguente porque a recompensa estará em outra vida".O cristianismo é claramente criado pela elite para pregar a resiliência e submissão dos escravos. Ou seja, é uma religião PARA os escravos e não DE escravos. Foi feita pela elite romana para ser pregada a escravos e camponeses analfabetos e totalmente ignorantes de como a natureza funciona. "Bem-aventurado o homem que suporta, com perseverança, a provação; porque, depois de ter sido aprovado, receberá a coroa da vida" Thiago 1:12. Se fosse uma religião DE escravos, criada por escravos e grupos marginalizados e miseráveis, pregaria coisas como "a gente tem de arrancar a cabeça desses romanos escravocratas fdps e pendurar no fórum"Ela foi claramente feita pela elite, que controlava a escrita no Império, para PARECER que veio do povo comum judeu e não dá própria elite. Inclusive inventando perseguições para dar legitimidade como uma religião vinda das camadas oprimidas. A elite romana era mestre na literatura e fazia essas coisas facilmente.
>>18102507Hoje já se sabe que 10% dos habitantes do Império Romano tinham se convertido ao judaísmo.A famosa radialista antissionista Kim Iversen expôs essas pesquisas ao dizer que nem os judeus do Império Romano tinham a ver com os judeus do VT porque conversões ao judaísmo à época eram comuns e até Nero teria se convertido.Entre esses convertidos ao judaísmo crescia um sentimento antiescravista comparando a escravidão sob os romanos à escravidão no Egito. A elite do império e seus aliados da elite macabeia como Agripa I, Agripa II e Berenice teriam ficados muito receosos com isso porque viviam com medo de uma nova revolta escrava do nível da Revolta de Espastacus e teriam decidido arrebentar com a capital judia de Jerusalém.Fizeram de tudo para provocar os judeus, como roubar o tesouro do templo e colocar estátuas de deuses romanos no mesmo até que os rebeldes judeus reagiram e deram uma justificativa para os romanos invadirem a Judeia e massacrarem os líderes judeus.Igual os EUA fazem, provocam, provocam aí invadem quando vem a reacão dos provocados.Óbvio que o cristianismo nasceu e se alimentou desse desejo da elite romana de controlar os escravos e servos do império.É uma religião que prega a submissão, claramente. De maneira clara e visívelPor que grupos de pobres e escravos judeus criariam uma religião que prega que esses mesmos escravos e pobres se submetam passivamente às autoridades romanas.Literalmente um messias que apanha calado e de cabeça baixa dos romanos e depois um tal de Paulo que diz que os supostos criadores da religião deveriam se submeter aos seus senhores.Uma religião de masoquistas, é isso?Essa visão tradicional do cristianismo faz ZERO sentido. Nenhum sentido. Nada.
>>18099791>Spend 1000 years burning people alive for questioning a literary character's existence>"Uh whether he existed or not actually doesn't matter"
>>18099603Why did the name FLAVIUS become more important than the name Caesar after the Romans converted to Christianity?Not only did all Roman kings and emperors adopt it, such as Flavius Belisarius and Flavius Zeno, but also Germanic conquerors such as Flavius Odoacer and Flavius Theodoric adopted the name Flavius.The first Frankish king, Clovis I, was Flavius Chlodovechus.Why did the name Flavius become more important than the name Caesar after the Christianization of the empire?
>>18099603>Jesus never existedJesus is far too profound a figure to have not existed.it would be really weird if by just pure chance a figure completely and radically anathema to the Heaten world was constructed, wholecloth, by heathens who never even bothered to sign their work.
>>18099603Batman never existed.
>>18099603>>18103371Gay guys much?
>>18099808>>18102503You people are so fucking stupid it’s unreal. Genuinely get the fuck off the board and go back to plebbit. You hate Christianity SO much that the mere idea of Jesus existing, completely forget any of the details of his life, just the prospect of his EXISTENCE makes you seethe. You have serious issues
>>18099603Theres no way this dude was able to invent teachings of jesus that only make sense when translated back into gallilean aramaic by some modern linguist nerd 2000 years later ie son of man lord of the sabbath
>>18099603Kek
>>18103384You could say the same the other way around.
>>18103384Went right for the ad hominem when the fallacy was pointed out and then invented a strawman that may or may not have anything to do with the prior poster's beliefs. Could have at least brought up criterion of embarrassment
>>18103695The idea is just absurd. Someone deserves ad hominem if they’re spouting shit that’s been refuted millions of times, or if it’s just incoherent schizophrenic nonsense. It’s actually not a logical fallacy to insult someone who’s wasting your time because you don’t owe them a logical response like you would in any other debate>>18103689You couldn’t, actually. If you came with a legitimate argument instead of schizobabble most Christians would be more than willing to consider it, the problem is that most people claiming Jesus didn’t exist are condescending liberal plebbit atheists using debunked arguments. The reason people are hostile to the very idea is because every theory that’s repeated 90% of the time has been thoroughly debunked, so unless someone has a new theory (that isn’t incoherent schizophrenic crackpot bullshit) then people have every tight to respond with hostility and insults
>>18102236>So?So you are stupid.
>>18103729They’re gonna scream ad hominem at you now, kek. Get ready
>>18099620The vast majority of historians have never bothered to look into it. They assume it because there's a consensus and there's a consensus because they assume it. Most historians used to think Moses existed until people started questioning it.
>>18103777>Most historians used to think Moses existedNo they don't
Jesus didn't existJesus didn't existNo jew in the skyNo flying rabbiJesus didn't exist
>>18103695Trolling as you are doing now is a fallacy itself, provide evidences of your point or get lost.
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