Bigger countries like Brazil and Mexico managed to remain united, so why couldn't Gran Colombia?
Power projection is probably much more difficult in the tropics due to having to put forward an army in sweltering conditions 90% of the year.
> Ecuador is a convent, Colombia is a university, and Venezuela is a military barracks.Supposedly a Bolivar quote
>>18100076I wonder what he would he say of the current versions of it.
I miss it so much, bros
>>18100051Brazil is flat and all on the east coast, mexican heartlands aren't that large and could be governed even by incompetent mystery meat, Colombia had the problem of having half of its claimed territory be either in the amazon jungle or the malarial swampy savanna, neither of which it could exercise power in effectively since its other half was a thin line of settlement along the coast and the mountains, neither of which would realistically permit the kind of centralisation Bolívar wanted. Maybe if they had some foreign backer with a vested interest in keeping a strong Colombia around rather than three weaker states, but good luck finding one.
>>18100256>Brazil is flatmaybe for Andine standards but it really isn't that flat>all on the east coastlol
Colombia didnt get balcanized, it waa Gran Colombia which got balcanized (Gran Colombia was more of a Venezuelan project than a colombian one). When simon bolivar (Venezuelan) established bogota as the capital of Gran Colombia instead of caracas, most venezuelans which were literally the most important ones in the independence of Gran Colombia saw this as an stupid decision.Many venezuelans were saying "Did we got independence from Madrid just to become subordinates of bogota?". Ecuatorians also wanted Gran Colombia's capital to be in Quito.
>>18100872>When simon bolivar (Venezuelan) established bogota as the capital of Gran Colombia instead of caracas, most venezuelans which were literally the most important ones in the independence of Gran Colombia saw this as an stupid decision.That’s so weird to me. Obviously everyone want the capital in their area but it was the capital of Spanish Nueva Granada and in the center of the country>Ecuatorians also wanted Gran Colombia's capital to be in Quito.Do Equatoroids really
>>18100051I'm not even Colomban but artifical borders like this piss me off, the wasted potential is crazy
Colombia had 9 civil wars in less than a century over federal/unitary state and religion/secularism autism, who would willingly stay with them
>>18100051Mexico remained 'united' (lost all of the North) out of dumb luck. Literally, the Yucatan/Tabasco only joined back because the Maya revolted, Guatemala is too small to actually grab Chiapas, the North only held togheter becayuse the local elites believed in Mexico as an idea, and Jalisco was in a De Facto powersharing agreement with the center. Brazil was by far the most stable country on the continent.
>>18101174And even then there were separatists movements all over.
>>18100872>venezuelans were saying>Ecuatorians also wanted Yeah why the hell did these identities exist in the first place in the new world? They weren't strong enough to balkanize other countries in the new world.
>>18100885>That’s so weird to me. Obviously everyone want the capital in their area but it was the capital of Spanish Nueva Granada and in the center of the countryAs i said, its because Venezuelans were the main fighters for the Gran Colombia's independence.
>>18101440Kinda and kinda not. There were creole sentiments in the main cities of the new world, either be Buenos Aires, Santiago, Caracas, etc, but the rurals only joined the independentist fight because of the bad economy the vicerroyalties were having because of the borbonic reforms (this was the main case in Mexico, in which the borbonic reforms affected them severly, provoking the vicerroyalty bankrupcy, also, many mexican priests encouraged the locals to rebel, so religion was a main factor too).
>>18101176No shit. The only thing holding latin america together was the spanish king and army and the church. Once all 3 lost power there was nothing to hold it together. Then some countries experimented with states and they took it too far. Many states wanted more and more rights and authority that eroded power from the central authority. I'm afraid latin america lacks a framework to fix itself. It will always be the land of chaos. Corruption, violence and leftism. They are eternally fucked.
A) Gran Colombia was actually incredibly sparsely populated, with the capital cities of the different countries today being the vast majority of where any people wereB) the geography is very harsh and makes it difficult to easily connect and travel through. This is similar through much of South America. Brazil for most of its history was described more in terms of inland islands, where most travel was via boats along the coast or rivers than attempting major roads. This is much harder in the geography of gran Colombia C) the cultural and political links were just weaker than needed
>>18101784He meant Brazil
LatAm should try an EU project>start with getting Gran Colombia back together as a loose association>Central America will join piece by piece>Peru would be a major win at some point>Argentina would be a challenge>Mexico would be the tipping point for getting it all togetherEven Brazil could be a member if it wanted, but that would probably take 50+ years. Imagine free movement of people across those countries.
>>18101900People forget how much Latam cunts were essentially city states at independence and even today their capitals hold a significant amount of their population
