THIS SHIT ACTUALLY MAKES SENSE
>>18100721Explain
>>18100721It does, in a way
>>18100723WHY WAS I NEVER TOLD THAT BIBLICAL LITERALISM IS A RECENT INVENTION BY RETARDED FUNDAMENTALISTS?
>>18100732Oh Jesus, go back to r*ddit. where you belong.
>>18100735DO YOU DENY THIS FACT?
>>18100740I deny those who are r*ddit-minded.
>>18100732Biblical inerrancy evangelicals gotta be the accidental cause of like 90% of people turning reddit atheists lmao.
>>18100743I DON'T USE REDDIT THO
>>18100750Riiiiight.
>>18100721
>>18100794Ah yes, I love to be taking a reading from the Holy Bule.
>>18100721>>18100732Blew my mind too how much more everything makes sense when I converted to Catholicism.
>>18100732Yeah it's a modernist rebellion against modernism (socialism and darwinism and new biblical textual discoveries.) same thing with flat earth - a modernist invention of anti-modernism.
>>18100732That's just a lie that you were told. Literalism has been a thing from the beginning of what you would recognize as the beginning at least.>>18101038>everything makes more sense when I let other people decide the meaning of chapters and verses for me>allowing for the renegotiation of the text change the meaning of everything I don't like>>18101062It wasn't a modern invention or rebellion. They used to believe that heaven was the literal sky, and that the Earth was flat, and that there was a hard crystillian dome over the Earth, and on the other side of the crystillian dome is where your god sits on his throne. Your god, with his literal body.If anything, you guys are the ones ignoring your religious text.https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Colossians%202%3A8&version=NRSVUEColossians 2:8>Watch out that no one takes you captive through philosophy and empty deceit, according to human tradition, according to the elemental principles of the world, and not according to Christ.https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Romans%203%3A4&version=NRSVUERomans 3:4>Although every human is a liar, let God be proved true.https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Proverbs%203%3A5&version=NRSVUEProverbs 3:5>Trust in the Lord with all your heart, and do not rely on your own insight.https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1%20Corinthians%203%3A19&version=NRSVUE1 Corinthians 3:19>For the wisdom of this world is foolishness with God.Why do you deny your holy words, and rely on your pitiful worldly knowledge?The Young Earth Flat Earth Creationists are doing the right thing, by being science deniers. Sorry that you're a lukewarm Christian, enjoy Jesus saying that he doesn't know you.
Abrahamoid cult nonsense
>>18100721Hell yeah. Welcome to humanity, king.>>18100732It's not that simple. This guy is half right >>18101402They were writing about the world to the very best of their abilities at the time. There's no way the bible writers or early christians had any reservation about these stories, but they had no other lens to see the world. It was the same world. The Bible is the ancient equivalent of a science textbook, (no a textbook is not a modern Bible) it's a major resource of historical, philosophical, and cultural knowledge. You can either dismiss the whole thing as "outdated" and have a handicapped understanding of western culture, or adapt to the obscure language and benefit from hundreds of years of cultural record and philosophy, natural and theological, that went into that book.
>>18101507You must be jokingYou have talking donkeys
>>18101532Even if there were skeptics who said animals can't talk, they didn't really know for sure. They were just assholes.
>>18101507>There's no way the bible writers or early christians had any reservation about these stories, but they had no other lens to see the world.It's amazing how Christians will just lie to your face.>"Believe me not in whatsoever I shall simply deliver, unless thou find the things which I shall speak, demonstrated out of the holy Scriptures.” Cyril of Jerusalem, Catechetical Lecture 4.17: 348AD>"There is, brethren, one God, the knowledge of whom we gain from the Holy Scriptures, and from no other source." Hippolytus of Rome, Against Noetus (160–236 AD)>"We are not content simply because this is the tradition of the Fathers. What is important is that the Fathers followed the meaning of Scripture." St. Basil 370 AD>"Do not, I beg you, bring in human reason. I shall yield to Scripture alone." Theodoret of Cyrus, Dialogue 1, 448 AD>Whatever is not supported by the testimony of Scripture we reject as false.” Gregory of Nyssa, De Cognitione Dei, pg. 46:1115, 380 AD>"The holy and inspired Scriptures are fully sufficient for the proclamation of the truth." St. Athanasius, 360 ADIt's fucking clear that you blindly trusted the apologetics of someone else, and not actually see what your church fathers actually believed.1/2
>>18101507>You can either dismiss the whole thing as "outdated" and have a handicapped understanding of western cultureIt can be outdated, while still keeping the book around for art history. Why would you think otherwise? We literally keep all the other mythological texts for context about their culture. We'd just file your book with the others.>adapt to the obscure language and benefit from hundreds of years of cultural record and philosophy, natural and theologicalAll of the philosophy developed from Christianity isn't original to Christianity. So much of what you think is original to Christianity is just rebranded Greek and Roman philosophy. There's no value to theology, until you actually have an evidence based reason(science) to show that we can rely on the content of your book.I'm sure it'll be 2 more weeks, right? We'll discover the supernatural. Or better yet, Jesus will finally return, and actually complete a messianic prophecy in the actual context of the verses, and then you'll know that I'm wrong.2/2
>>18101441>Study physics.>why>so that physics.can save you from what physics can do to you.
>>18101956>rebrandedAfter three days I will rise again
>>18101956>There's no value to theology, until you actually have an evidence based reason(science) to show that we can rely on the content of your bookBeware of false prophets, who come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ravenous wolves. You will know them by their fruits.I am the true vine, and my Father is the gardener. He cuts off every branch in me that bears no fruit, while every branch that does bear fruit he prunes so that it will be even more fruitful.
>>18100732Yes, I'll reveal the most terrifying truth to you. The Bible can be deconstructed like any myth.According to Abrahamism, the world is 6,000 years old.Civilization in Mesopotamia arose 6,000 years ago.The Sumerians wrote that the gods came from heaven.Abraham from a Sumerian city.
>>18101402The world was known to be round during the Iron Age. The flat earth is evidence of a copper or bronze age Mesopotamian origin.
>>18102058>I am the true vine,Why did John make Jesus Dionysus? You know that this epithet has been applied to Dionysus-Osiris and their equivalents for thousands of years? The Gospels are so unremarkable that it's almost frightening; they're literally a fairy tale. Perhaps Jesus possessed extraordinary powers, but I get the impression that Hellenic philosophy and Greek myths were layered over some unusual character. You'll literally experience déjà vu if you know mythology.>Mary's flight with Jesus>Rhea's flight with Zeus from Cronus>Isis's flight with Horus from Seth>The king learns that he is threatened by a miraculous child (Balor, Kamsa, Krishna's uncle, Seth, Cronus, and most likely many other analogs can be found, many of which have not reached us)>John makes Jesus into Dionysus, reworking scenes from Euripides's Bacchae; Dionysus transformed water into a wine thousands of years before our era.>Another John (though supposedly the same one) inf Revaletion reworks the myth of Leto's flight with Apollo from Typhon (in some places, Apollo and Heracles merged with Dionysus).
>>18101402>That's just a lie that you were told. Literalism has been a thing from the beginning of what you would recognize as the beginning at least.Fact. Jews reinterpreted everything under the influence of other cultures, but Zoroastrianism and Greek philosophy were particularly influential. In principle, the Greeks and others closer to our era also tried to understand myths metaphorically, but in fact, the more ancient the times, the more everything was understood literally.In Genesis, God is literally anthropomorphic; he walks and flies on cherubim as if on some kind of wings (a device?), sits in the temple, enjoys sacrifices, and Moses saw him from behind. This anthropomorphic god was associated with the idea of the absolute, logos, and so on (and logos answers to practically nothing, because it's simply schizo. Now, instead of logos, you can substitute that he wrote a line of code, and the line of code was a word).
>>18102099Osiris is a pervert that ejaculated in his son's food. Gross.
What has been will be again, what has been done will be done again; there is nothing new under the sun.Destroy this temple, and I will raise it again in three days.I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.
>>18102099>unremarkableLulz.>Let me remark on something "unremarkable" that everyone in the world is remarking on, and is re-marked over and over and over again in threads, movies, church services, culture, etc etc ad nauseum. But please, im begging you. Please stop remarking on that "unremarkable" thing, and make a remark about these old myths that no one remarks on anymore.
>>18102099>extraordinary powersI want you to know that the Son of Man has authority on earth to fix problems. “Get up, pick up your prayer mat, and walk".Defend the weak and the fatherless; uphold the cause of the poor and the oppressed. Rescue the weak and the needy; deliver them from the hand of the wicked.
>>18101955>>18101956What part of that contradicts my post? Be careful how you reply because it sounds like you're just foaming with anger and have nothing to say. >art historyretard
>>18101532Very common motif in ancient literature to indicate a supernatural being is talking, since they knew animals couldn't talk. You're just retarded
>>18102303they didn't know what an animal was because they didn't know about biology or even what the earth was. there could've been talking donkeys in a purple continent 25,000 miles west of iceland for all they knew.
>>18102306Anon they believed the sun revolved around the earth simply because it looked like that was the case. They also believed animals couldn't talk simply because they never came across an animal capable of speech. Read books on ancient thought you're just embarrassing
>>18102316The sun belief is at least rational, and wrong. That should give you an idea of their mindset. Donkeys don't usually talk, that's what makes this one special, but they had no framework to say God can't speak through an animal.
>>18102303>animals can't talk
>>18100732>the bible is heckin true!>those people who interpret the bible literally? they're fucking dumbchristgolem apologetics in a nutshell
>>18102347t. godjak spammer
>>18102348If the bible is true then why do you believe it shouldn't be interpreted literally?
>>18102353because they didn't speak the same language as me
>>18102320Never said it's not rational but you're applying a level of skepticism that didn't exist in their minds. They saw animals couldn't talk and believed they didn't talk as a result, they were straightforward in thinking and trusted their common sense.Saying they thought they needed to observe every donkey on the planet before they could know they can't talk is a level of rigor and skepticism that only became a thing largely due to the scientific method of self doubt. In the past someone like Aristotle could just declare heavier rocks fall faster and nobody really thought or cared to test it, even less so in the ancient near east>Donkeys don't usually talk, that's what makes this one special, but they had no framework to say God can't speak through an animal.That's the point and it's why using an animal for a supernatural being to speak through is what they did in stories. When the storyteller says a donkey said something people's ears stand up because the abnormality draws attention to what the higher being is saying through it
>>18102355just translate it to your language
>>18102357If you've never encountered a talking equine story in the modern day, let alone 1st century, you're sheltered. They make a lot of noises and have a lot of personality, they're domesticated over thousands of years and spend their whole lives with humans. That natural assumption you're talking about is the diametric opposite of reality. If it was a talking rock you might have a point.
>>18102366Not literal and if I translate it conceptually, it's definitely no longer literal in any sense.
>>18102371You're just uneducated and retarded what I'm saying is uncontroversial in ancient near eastern scholarship, read books from historians on that matter if you wanna learn, nothing more to add here
>>18102374>playing semantics I accept your concession.
>>18102383Nope, that's the answer to this entire question, the whole question. The answer that makes religion true and God real. They lived in the same world but thought about it differently.>>18102378no, you are retarded and uneducated.
It came to me while doing some feminist/antifeminist apologia: experience is information. Women as a group can't be better at masculine things than men as a group, or vice-versa, why? (not body stuff, it was about leading countries and commanding in combat) An individual can make herself the exception. What stops exceptional paths from taking over the main? In theory, nothing. Women can all start wearing pants if they want to, but what snips the thread between individual will and mass adoption is the mechanism of experience: for change to occur, every individual has to have their own experience of change. It has to grow out of their own understanding of the world, there's no mechanism for sudden mass adoption of a completely new thought, unless it drops out of the sky in front of everyone. There's a step by step process of every person won over to a new idea, they also keep resetting to zero. As this all relates to bible study, the bible is a tool of civilization. It's written to bring people into the fold, in a way that spoke to their lives, which is the only way to get through. The language relates to specific people, times &c that only matter if you're trying to understand them. Far more significant is the message, the intent to recruit everyone for a great struggle of good against evil. The intellectual adulthood of the human race that demands stronger feelings and a higher standard of conduct toward your fellow man. I arrived by a completely different route, atheist in an atheist time, now we have rationality and ethics that can provide the same or even improve on the old. What we don't have is a mechanism of mass adoption. All those high-minded high-IQ concepts only work if you're already part of the fundamental civilizing project, feeling part of the world. If you're outside christendom or feel alienated by civilization, or you're just young and need to see that stuff to believe it, atheist logics are inferior to the bible as they appear built on nothing.
It's possible for me as an atheist to study volumes of astrophysics and geology and conclude there's no one creator, everything is some grand immanent natural beauty, but that's neither superior nor functionally any different to belief in God. It's essentially a more complicated way of saying the same thing. Ancient people -and their modern equivalent, people who don't get it- had no way to understand astrophysics, geology, or immanent natural beauty. The reddit atheist is a low-tier lay member of the atheist church who hasn't matriculated, instead serving as a kind of islamic proselytizer who attacks other belief systems outright. They merely believe in atheism as a worldview, no different from biblical literalists who obsess over the specifics of an ancient time. The essential lesson has not yet been learned, and to them the world (for the first time in centuries) doesn't have enough bible shit in it. If you can't learn one way, you get a remedial course from Ezra, Jesus and St. Paul.
>>18101402>everything makes more sense when I let teachers who studied stuff for decades explain it to me>and only after that i engage with the content alone>exactly like would any other field of knowledgeyou don't know how stupid you actually are. you're actually retarded. i doubt your consciousness.
The cope from Christfags ITT is utterly embarrassing.
>>18102729>embarrassed by posts he hasn't readsounds like a you problem
Everyone has their own journey from paganism to christ, and I'm not being biblically literal. Spiritual paganism to spiritual christ. You don't have to adopt any framework you don't like . . . . . . but you WILL kneel in the end.
>>18100732You didn’t know? This is why we have to put an emphasis on personal responsibility and doing thorough research before people decide on something.Did you just think all Christians were retarded hypocrites or something when you read the Bible and didn’t understand it?
like, some people don't get the message. Ok, "GOD" says don't kill people. GOD says you don't touch my shit. Get it? GOD is a matter of life and death for you, get it? A higher standard of behavior in terms you can understand.
God says dress niceGod says help your communityGod says take personal responsibilityGod says do what elders sayGod says it's going to be alrightGod says war should be avoided, but if it's inevitable we're damn sure gonna win because God is on our sideBe like God
