Find a case where archery originated outside steppe or veldt.Also, find any steppe that failed to develop archery.Classic example is south American puna where archery was localized just outside.
>>18101374Didn't the english had great archers? The long bow and all of that.
>>18101381>>18101381They didn't, they only used them in France and because northern France is a steppe and was Norman. Salisbury is also a plain.
>>18101374He Enochian peoples of Antarctica, back when it was a tropical jungles. Their bows were primitive and the slingshot was heavily preferred over it, but they still did develop archery
>>18101511Interesting example, although arguably something that never actually happened. Museums in Sardinia and different places around Europe have local myths where archery features but these are copied from Egypt or just made up for tourists.Archery tourism fraud is sort of a industry. It can be used to build an argument that archery occurred outside of the steppe.
>>18101374Crete and Wales
>>18101536Crete got it from Egypt. England I already mentioned. Wales didn't develop archery significantly, it is a valid exception but it's limited to a small number of accounts. English archery developed in France or in other countries that has steppe and England used it with forces there.
>>18101374Did abbos or peoples from New Guinea develop archery? Also, the andamanese islanders have bows, do they count or there's not enough info about them?
this retard has never seen an amazonian shooting at a helicopter
>>18101566Andamese are fake. Melanesians used archery to genocide Aryans. All the archery is melanesians. >>18101570Peru has archers. Other native American archery is entirely European.His was too dumb to notice the negative question in op. Native Americans are a case that failed.
>>18101578What about New Guinea?
>>18101592Melanesians just like the vast swath of land ascribed by Polynesian aryan theory.
>>18101596Got another one. The Thule culture, the OG eskimos. They had bows too
>>18101602Before the tuniit and other people's the white indigenous of north America were put on ice floes, deprived of food and killed by the later peoples but no archery was used.The archery of native Americans was given by Europeans over 13-16th century. The 16th century was when most of the world has archery and the issue doesn't mean anything. Pre medieval archery is the main period of isolated development. By middle ages the idea that you could take a bendy stick and a string and fire things was mostly understood. Native American archery as warfare against Europeans was mostly a larp and natives did have access to firearms, they just didn't have enough people or organization to fight efficiently.
>>18101620The Thule culture already had bows before meeting the norsemen in the XI century. Afterwards they learned, from the norsemen, to use iron arrowheads instead of bone. This use of iron is a clear evidence to establish a chronology, separating the before and the after of their contact
>>18101665They had European technology in the dark ages transfered from Ireland. The first evidence of them having archery is the 13th century and your 11th claim is a troll. Almost all discussion of archery in North America is about Alaska because Mongols were there. North America had no archery before Europeans. Areas near Europe got it earlier.
Humans used archery long before the steppe unless the savannah is also a form of steppe
>>18101751It is. The only reason I said veldt is jidf is retarded. Archery still failed to spread to ssa until colonialism so that wasn't the main area. Main area was Mongols, melanesians and north European plain. Outside those three areas the prevalence of archery went down a lot. Rome lacked archers. Most of India that didn't contact Aryans lacked archers. Native Americans lacked everything.
>>18101760>Archery still failed to spread to ssa until colonialismWhat the fuck am I reading? Ignoring that they had many modern inventions due to trade with the islamic world and managed metallurgy a millenia before even that. How would you explain uncontacted peoples use arrows?
>>18101769They don't. Uncontacted people's are a larp and tourists like to see flying things.
>>18101374Archery is one of the few bits of seemingly independent, convergent engineering. They pop up in the New World, Eurasia, Papua and even black Africa. Not sure who was first, but lots of people seemed to figure it out, eventually. That being said, the Eurasian Steppe Gooks do seem to have been the best, by necessity. Koreans are still the best archers in the world today, and various "Scythians" were famed for their skills in the Western world. It all comes down to being on horseback, or not. Samurai were primarily mounted archers in the Mongol fashion, rather than pure swordsman. Their asymmetrical Yumi(bows) are an interesting, and very Japanese, solution to getting the power of a longbow from horseback. By making the length below the arrow shorter than the length above, they can use a full sized weapon with much less impediment by the horse and their lower body. They also use a steel wire, rather than a "string", like most other bows.
>>18101374Pygmies, Injuns, and other primitives, will often make very, very simple and crude bows that are small and only intended for 1-2 uses to take down small game for the day's meals. The idea of making a large, complex, "war bow" of any kind was very, very rare and lots of these same savages were sneaky bastards that used small bows, arrows and very lethal poisons, which make size irrelevant.
>>18101374Archery is stone age technology utilized by virtually every society on Earth prior to its obsolescence.
Non-steppe origins:• Maglemosian culture (Denmark, c. 9000–6000 BCE): Forest and wetland dwellers who built yew longbows at Holmegård. Their weapons were short and powerful, suited to wooded landscapes—an independent invention, not borrowed from steppe nomads.• East African Late Stone Age (Kenya–Ethiopia–Sudan, ~60,000–45,000 BCE): Microlithic arrowpoints suggest some of the world’s earliest bows, from semi-arid or montane habitats rather than open grasslands. This may predate Eurasian archery entirely.• Korean Chulmun culture (5000–3000 BCE): Sedentary coastal farmers and fishers in forested terrain used bows for hunting long before horse nomads appeared nearby.Steppes without archery:Early Eurasian steppe peoples did not all use bows. The Dnieper–Donets and Khvalynsk cultures (Pontic–Caspian steppe, 6000–4000 BCE) left almost no arrowheads; their hunting relied on spears and darts. They were pre-equestrian herders, centuries before the Yamnaya or Sintashta developed mounted or chariot archery. Some later Central Asian Bronze Age groups (e.g., Andronovo) also emphasized spears and axes before adopting composite bows.
>>18101386They were effective at Agincourt because it wasn't a steppe. It was a muddy field between two forests, so the French got bunched up. Plus the Britishers were able to needfully prepare many stakes.
>>18102155Both of you have found exceptions that, while technically valid are minor.It seems especially difficult to find negative examples and almost all steppes had archery, and counterexamples reflect low levels of trade and bureaucracy rather than any other factors.Chulmun culture was in Korean tidal flats and a steppe like terrain.
