>Homosexuality is God's punishment for the unbelieversIs this really example he could think of?
>>18102382He wasn't wrong. Miscegenation is also, for the same reasons.
>>18102382Really the best example he could think of*
>>18102382Faggots fail to reproduce and their bloodline is wiped out of existence as a result. If that's not a judgment from God then lol
>>18102394Paul was celibate...
>>18102396He may have had a wife at one point. Intentional celibacy is also by choice.
>>18102400So is not reproducing a bad thing or not. And plenty of fags have children. Especially in antiquity. Most pederasts were married.
>>18102396The easiest service to the kingdom is ensuring it continues to exist by having children. There are more challenging ways to glorify the kingdom, and he picked that path.
>>18102402If you would've had babies if not for God's judgment preventing you from doing so, then that's a punishment and bad thing for you. Someone like Paul being called to celibacy for the sake of the kingdom according to God's will is a good thing, plus he became the spiritual father of many
>>18102408But homosexuality doesn't prevent people from having babies. Also that implies that all infertile people are being punished.
>>18102432It highly discourages it, and Paul didn't say all disabilities are judgments. You can't declare someone as being judged by God unless you're a prophet, but faggotry is a symptom evidencing such a thing
>>18102436Except in antiquity they didn't really have exclusive homos and heteros.
>>18102388He never says that though.
>>18102402>So is not reproducing a bad thing or notIt's bad, but Catholics consider it a necessary evil because A) ordainment should not be a material elevation, as it was when priests could have relations, and B) they seek to emulate Christ, who was considered to be married to the Heavenly Jerusalem.Priests also had the benefit of being an extreme minority in their congregations and therefore could be written off as "necessary bachelors"
>>18102510I'm not surprised a papist thinks pederasty is a necessary evil, but you shouldn't say the quiet part out loud.
>>18102534I said "not reproducing", not pederasty.
>>18102510Paul says it's superior to marriage
>>18102538Yeah but the guy you responded to didn't.
>>18102459>He never says that though.he probably assumed nobody would be retarded enough to actually do it. back then non whites weren't even considered people, they weren't until about 100 years ago.
>>18102540>>18102510Genesis 1,28: And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth.Depends how you choose to look at it but Paul said in 1st Corinthians that staying unmarried is way better.
>>18102791Paul probably thought the world was going to end soon, atleast that's what it seems like from the rest of the passage.
Homophobes are all irrational and have not said one intelligent argument, ever.
>>18102857gays don't breed, they're a liability and wasted resources
>>18102897Apologise.
>>18102857Source?
>>18102857
>>18102405Meanwhile Saint Augustine:>But now, whereas, in order to enter upon holy and pure fellowship, there is on all sides from out all nations an overflowing fullness of spiritual kindred, even they who wish to contract marriage only for the sake of children, are to be admonished, that they use rather the larger good of continence. But I am aware of some that murmur: What, say they, if all men should abstain from all sexual intercourse, whence will the human race exist? Would that all would this, only in "charity out of a pure heart, and good conscience, and faith unfeigned;" much more speedily would the City of God be filled, and the end of the world hastened. For what else does the Apostle, as is manifest, exhort to, when he says, speaking on this head, "I would that all were as myself;" . . . (etc.)
>>18103440I mean Augustine had some pretty serious hickups regarding sex, largely for personal reasons.>much more speedily would the City of God be filled, and the end of the world hastenedDo Christians have any good arguments against this? I mean today christians not having kids would just hasten the decline of the religion even further (but then again the world is supposed to end when christianity dissapears?).
>>18102897>Humans can only provide value if they can make more humansSee? Nothing but Insanely fucking retarded arguments like this.
How come abusers flock to priest and pastor roles then?
>>18102382How is it a punishment though if it feels good? I would never want to be straight. Imagine being with a woman omg ew.
>>18102408A close reading of paul shows he was already a celibate as a jewish pharissee zealot, after becoming christian he just continued being celibate. He tells his congregations celibacy is preferrable, but not required
I swear an alarming amount of Christians talk of homosexuality like their faith in God was the only reason why they aren't rushing to take cock in all their holes.
>>18104346All positions of power no matter how petty inherently attract predators and psychopaths, no exceptions.
>>18104598they end up in some motel getting ran a train on
>>18104600except your bible claims you christians do not have this problem lmao
Most of this thread is just people LARPing as prosecutors. Doesn’t matter if it’s “God’s punishment” or “Christians cope with celibacy” or “power attracts predators”—it’s all the same move: punitive logic. Accuse, condemn, distance. Zero risk, zero encounter.That’s covenant thinking—old-world social control. Obedience through fear, purity through exclusion. Whether you wrap it in scripture or atheism doesn’t matter. Punishment logic is structurally cowardly because it keeps the speaker outside the situation they’re attacking. No contact, no cost.The opposite of punishment isn’t “tolerance,” it’s discipline—the willingness to engage reality directly and be changed by it. Discipline is reciprocal. Punishment is theatrical. One seeks understanding, the other seeks distance. Half this thread just wants distance.Talking about sin or degeneracy without entering encounter is just moral venting. Nothing here is serious until someone speaks from contact instead of performance.
