I have a post written up I’d like to share with you all, trying to find out if this is an accurate description of how Muhammad came to die. If you think it’s inaccurate, please tell me as I’m no expert. If you have more to add or something to remove, please let me know as well. I want you to hear your thoughts. Anyways, here it goes. (Part 1)Ever wondered what caused Muhammad’s agonizing affliction that he suffered for years that lead to his death? Muhammad raided the Jewish settlement of Khaybar. He had all the men of the Jewish tribe of Banu Qurayza killed, including the boys if they had reached the age where they began to grow pubic hair. Many of the women and girls were taken as slaves as well as the boys too young to be killed. Anyways, a Jewish woman who had just been widowed by Muhammad offered to cook for him. He was stupid enough to accept the offer, and unsurprisingly, the meat was poisoned. This is ironic because it was specifically from the fat meat of a camel, which Muhammad didn’t remember cursing the Jews for consuming because it was forbidden by Allah for them to consume and sell, according to him.
(Part 2)He ate this poison meat and it did not kill him immediately. Many poisonous do internal damage to the body that lead to consequences that result in death years later. This poison corroded his innards and put strain on the heart in the last years of his life, causing him incredible agony. He specifically blamed the poison meat of Khaybar for this pain. What’s even more ironic, is he specifically mentioned the sensation of feeling as though his aorta was being cut. This is INCREDIBLY significant, because Muhammad, again, did not recall years later that he had asked God to sever his aorta if he proved to be a false prophet or deliver false testimony in the name of God.So, what do you think, did Muhammad die by swallowing fat jewish camel meat? Or is this inaccurate?
I’d just like to reiterate, this is just what I’ve been able to piece together from reading hadith collections and listening to the perspectives of other people as an amateur. I’m not a religious scholar nor do I study Islam by profession.I’m not a Muslim, nor do I have an anti-Muslim agenda, I’m just genuinely curious if this is true, and whether or not others agree based on their own research and hadiths. Tell me your opinions
Hadith Used:>Sunan Abu Dawud, no. 3488>Sunan Abu Dawud, no. 2704>Sunan An-Nasa’i, no. 4435>Sahih Bukhari, vol. 3, Book 47, Hadith no. 786>Sahih Bukhari, no. 2617>History of al-Tabari, vol. 8, pg. 117>History of al-Tabari, vol. 8, pg. 124>History of al-Tabari, vol. 9, pg. 108>Kitab al-Tabaqat al-Kabir, vol. 2, pg. 263>Sirah Nabawiyah by Ibn Hisham, pg. 282May be forgetting some
>>18103943>Kitab al-Tabaqat al-Kabir, pg. 268>Sahih Bukhari, no. 4428
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>>18103917>nor do I have an anti-Muslim agendalmao fucking liar, you're using multiple debunked christian apologist arguments. btw it's "poisoned sheep" https://www.abuaminaelias.com/dailyhadithonline/2012/10/15/prophet-pardon-jewish-woman/
>>18104035>You’re using propaganda arguments >WoodI never heard this from Wood though. I effortposted in a thread and you’re seething like a retard. Like I said, I don’t have an anti-muslim agenda. I disagree with religious threads even being allowed here, I think there should be a separate board. I’m trying to theorize about what Muhammad’s cause of death was beyond the incredibly vague description of “natural causes” and this is an interesting and funny theory to me. Your insecurity and paranoia does make Islam extremely unattractive, though I will say, even though this isn’t an anti-Islam thread.I am motivated to actually investigate the photo you attached to see if it’s even legitimate, because when people respond with seethe it’s usually bullshit.
>>18104065You're lying through your teeth so badly you used another argument from your retarded apologists in your very picture. One they don't even believe themselves ahaha. You aren't "interested" in anything but to attack Islam who do you think you are fooling? Anyway the quality of you supposed research has been exposed and all you can do now is cry like a bitch
>>18104065>I disagree with religious threads even being allowed hereoh and you're part of the problem... I come here to discuss history, art and philosophy but every single time /pol/ refuse such as yourself decide it's a wonderful idea to spam another religion thread
>>18104071I attached the Zutt photo because you’re chimping the fuck out in my thread and it’s clear you aren’t interested in historical discussion. You want to proselytize and do apologetics which I couldn’t give a fuck about, and Zutt drives you people insane. I included the facts about Muhammad’s hypocrisy and arrogance because I find it funny and it’s included in every other online discussion that hypothesizes about his cause of death. Again, I’m not here to debate Islam, I’m not interested in the religion at all. I want to know if we can substantiate a cause of Muhammad’s death and you’re in here seething about your stupid religion. This isn’t a board for religious discourse and nobody is going to convert to your nigger religion
>>18104077I genuinely want to know if we can verify the cause of Muhammad’s death and you’re chimping out, it’s not a religious thread. I oppose religious threads as well, but you’d know that if you read what I said. I included those details because they’re funny but as soon as you saw the thread could be seen as insulting Islam you melted down. Also>Apologists and polemicists don’t even believe in ZuttNo shit dude, none of us believe in Zutt. Are you retarded? Not apologists, not polemicists, not anyone interested in Islam. People are tired of Muslims repeating logical fallacies, and ignoring logical arguments, but Zutt pisses them off like nothing else and forces them to engage instead of ignoring
>>18104079>I’m not interested in the religion at all>decides to wake up one day for absolutely no reason to post christian propagandaNo you attached it because you have an anti-Islam agenda and you got porn on your mind that's all there is to it. You don't give a shit about anything else>This isn’t a board for religious discourseYes it is actually https://desuarchive.org/his/thread/17674237/#17674320 even though I don't like this fact
>>18104082I really don’t have an anti-Islam agenda. I’m not interested in debating Islam, and nobody is going to come here and be convinced to leave it by me making a joke about “fat meat”, you idiot. This is the problem. You’re so defensive. So, do you want to discuss theories of how Muhammad passed away? I genuinely included it because I don’t take Islam seriously at all, for the 5th time now, I will reiterate that I have no interest in religious debates, not on this board at least
>>18104080You don't want to know shit you aren't interested in the religion remember? And yes that includes the religious figures and surrounding history >hurr I was just pretending to be retarded!Every single time muslims try to argue theology idiots like you bring up shit like this trying to defame the prophet. Since you reek of christcuck you are literally the last person to talk about illogical beliefs lmao
>>18104088Actually, you ARE allowed to ask how historical figures who changed the world forever died even if you’re not interested in theology, that’s not how that works. >Every time Muslims try to argue theology you defame the prophet That’s cool, but I don’t do theological debates. I want to know if Muhammad died from poisoning or something else. Since you haven’t read a single fucking word I said, can you at least admit the photo of the fat camel is funny?
>>18104086It doesn't matter how many times you repeat a lie it's never going to be true. Anyone with half a brain can clearly see what you are doing.>do you want to discuss theories of how Muhammad passed away?What's there to discuss? He died after completing his mission which is another point against your silly apologist claims. If you believe it's the poison that did it so what lmao? Oh you're trying to invoke divine punishment? Yeah great totally not religious discussion at all. Next you'll be telling me Satan was the one giving him the revelation
>>18104096>You’re an apologist >No I’m not>You must be, you included something an apologist said>Well that’s because I found it funny, I don’t actually care about that or whether its true>No, you’re an apologist in disguise >No I’m really not, I just want to hear people’s theories on how Muhammad died>No, this is a religious thread masked as a historical one because you made a joke about a prophet of a religion you don’t care about>No, it isn’t, do you have any theories about how Muhammad died?>You’re an apologist and this is a religious threadHoly shit. You’re so annoying I might just get into apologetics like you accuse me of being because this is so fucking stupid that it’s almost unreal. I’ll say it one last time. I. Don’t. Give. A. Fuck. About. Debating. Islam. Tell me how you think Muhammad died or fuck off. >Who cares how he died?I do, that’s why I made the thread.
>>18104094Being interested in a religion involves all these tangential topics about it yes, how is that so difficult? Imagine an atheist scholar who studies the bible and claims oh yeah I don't actually care about the history of the Israelites or what early Christian communities. btw I never said you have to be interested in theology just that you people cannot actually engage on the fundamentals when trying to deboonk the faith>can you at least admit the photo of the fat camel is funny?Yes and I like it
>>18104109I’m not trying to deboonk anything. I genuinely just found it funny. I think Muhammad is an extremely important historical figure and I want to know if people have theories on how he died besides this one and the vague description of “natural causes” Here’s a fat tiger. I have many of these.
>>18104104No you made the thread with a bunch of retarded arguments in addition to just a simple question about his death.>poor little Khaybar did nothing wrong here's this brave womyn taking revenge!>heh Mo didn't know about camel meat and Jewish dietary restrictions even though it was sheep>muh aorta "proved him to be a false prophet and deliver false testimony in the name of God"Yep you're a filthy liar
>>18104119Here's the thing, many muslims actually believe it was the poison or at least the side effects. I personally don't think it is definitive so I remain agnostic on the issue unless better information comes my way. As for your rotund animals if you can make a thread somewhere on one of the random boards for it I am interested because I want to download them. Or you can do it here idk up to you.
>>18104135That’s interesting, I have heard that some Muslims believe in the theory of his poisoning, others don’t. What bothers me so much, and my motivation for the thread is that the only theories I’ve heard is that he either died from poisoning or the usual natural causes. I find this subject fascinating. Other people say “who cares, isn’t the life of a prophet more important?” but to me, the thing is that we already know of the lives of the prophets of all religions, and people debate the details of their lives endlessly, but almost nobody speaks of their death.As for the animals, I believe I may do them here. Here’s a fat wolf
>>18104135Fat Panda
>>18104122I didn’t say they were innocent, just that innocent people got killed. I don’t know if the Jews of Khaybar (collectively) were guilty of provocations worthy of execution or not. There’s debate about it. Here’s a fat bird
>>18104167>my motivation for the thread is that the only theories I’ve heard is that he either died from poisoning or the usual natural causesI think it's because we know so much about the events leading up to his death that any other scenario seems impossible. There's a lot of stuff like this https://islamichistory.org/the-last-days/ for example. I had a much better and more detailed one but it's lost somewhere in my bookmarks. If I find it I will link it for you inshaallah. Not all of it is universally accepted amongst muslims especially because of the sunni/shia political divide. I don't think we can know for sure though because it's not something that was immediate like for example being wounded in battle or something like that. There's just too much of a gap to conclude that it was that specific poisoning instance that did it. But I do see that those who hold that opinion have valid reasons for their belief.>but almost nobody speaks of their deathI suppose it's because for most religions it isn't as significant unlike Christianity where salvation rests on it. There might be a generic description of their end but most don't go much further than that. Also keep em coming I love these things
>>18103911Yes, most Islamic scholars agree that it was the poison that led to the Prophet Muhammad's (PBUH) death after 3 years that is. But, it wasn't camel meat, it was the meat of a sheep, the shoulder part to be specific, and the description that his aorta was being cut was a physical one, not a theological one. Prophet Muhammad didn't ask Allah/YHWH to sever his Aorta if he had delivered a false prophecy. It was Allah/YHWH who reaffirmed the Prophet Muhammad's (PBUH) prophethood by giving a hypothetical that if he had delivered a false prophecy, then his Aorta would have been cut. This is a reaffirmation of his prophet-hood, similar to when people say, "May lightning strike me down if I'm lying.", in which the absence of lightning would prove the presence of truth. I hope I'm making some sense here.
>>18104195They weren't killed; most of the men of Khaybar were allowed to live. You're mistaking Khaybar with Banu Qurayzah.
>>18103911ZUT ALORS!!this is the besthttp://www.google.com/search?q=prophet+of+doom+craig+winn
i have a question, why is it that humanity's last propthet's death is intriguing to you non believers exactly, what do you get from knowning his death, do you want to avoid the diseas he got ?, are you scared ?, doesn't matter the point is you should study this man's message and what he came for and not his death, he didn't come for us so that people could study why did he die.
There's an alternative theory, too, which is that Muhammed was cursed by God.In 632 AD, a group of Christians from Najran came to Muhammed to debate whether Jesus was mortal or divine. When there was a deadlock, Muhammed invoked the Arab tradition of mubahala, which involved praying to God to ask for a deadly curse on whoever was wrong. Within a year of this prayer:>Muhammed's last surviving son, Ibrahim, died in infancy;>Muhammed suddenly got a headache and lost consciousness>Muhammed lingered on for several days in terrible pain>Muhammed couldn't walk on his own anymore and had to be carried to the house where he eventually succumbed>Muhammed died, and his successors immediately started fighting>Muhammed's last surviving child (Fatima) also died, either of grief (Sunni Islam) or through violence by Abu Bakr's supporters (Shia Islam)
>>18104479The Christians themselves didn't show up and other Christians later found this fact so problematic they tried to fix it long after the prophet was gone. Just because you believe that your prophet is cursed doesn't mean that it must be true for us.
>>18104422>i have a question, why is it that humanity's last propthet's death is intriguing to you non believers exactly, what do you get from knowning his death, do you want to avoid the diseas he got ?I ultimately want to know about the cause of death of all prophets, but Muhammad’s seems to be most elusive, plus I’m not a Muslim
>>18104479That’s an interesting theory. However, I do become suspicious about the loss of consciousness, because Muhammad was widely reported to “go into convulsions when receiving revelation” so I wonder if Muhammad suffered from epilepsy or some other affliction that would cause seizures
>>18104234Yes, this helps. I heard somewhere it was camel meat but apparently that was an incorrect translation and it was a different meat used
