Why was Croatian nationalism so unhinged?
Insecurity. They can easily be mistaken for Serbs.
>>18104000The brutality of the Independent State of Croatia (NDH) can be explained by the country’s population and the way it was put together. The NDH was meant to unite all “historic Croatian lands,” which included not just Croatia itself but also Bosnia and parts of Serbia. But a lot had changed since the early Croatian kingdom, centuries of Ottoman rule had completely reshaped the region’s population. By 1941, those areas were no longer purely Croatian; Croats made up only about half the people, while Serbs which many descended from settlers during Ottoman times made up over 30%.The new state was Croatian and fascist in spirit, but it was built on territory where nearly half the population didn’t identify with it and, in many cases, actively opposed it. This created a constant sense of instability and threat for the regime. The Ustaša government responded with brutal repression such as mass killings, forced conversions, and expulsions in an attempt to secure control and “purify” the state. In that sense, the NDH’s violence wasn’t just about ideology; it was also about trying to force unity on a population that was deeply divided from the start.It should be noted too that some stories have been exaggerated or misrepresented for example claims like making soap from victims. By WWII standards, it wasn’t any more or less brutal then other movements, specially in that regiont. had ww2 southeast europe class in uni
>>18104000Related thread: >>18104216
>>18104224Advertising your dogshit thread in other threads, good job chuddie, looks like it's working.
>>18104228Link a single thread that isn't dogshit
>>18104000Because the Ustaše were radical from the start and as such were full of fanatics and psychopaths, same as the Nazi party.Also the NDH was created during the war, on a multiethnic territory. The killings were brutal to instill fear and they were fast to try and ethnically cleanse the land as fast as possible, as the existence of other ethnic groups was a potential threat to the NDH state in wartime conditions.
>>18104215Important to note as well that unlike nazi party in germany which won a legitimate election, ustase were installed by foreign power, they were never elected by the Croatians neither did they ever have full Croatian support, let alone other ethnics. So they had like 20% of population support and did their best. Quite effective at it too when all things are considered
>>18104258>So they had like 20% of population support and did their best. Quite effective at it too when all things are consideredAnd they never really controlled the whole of their territory, as different parts of the NDH were controlled by the Partisans all throughout the war
>>18104246Why didn’t the Nazis kill anywhere near the same ratio as the Croats then?
>>18104317The Nazis had a higher kill ratio>According to Stanley G. Payne, "crimes in the NDH were proportionately surpassed only by Nazi Germany, the Khmer Rouge in Cambodia and several of the extremely genocidal African regimes."[13]
>>18104215This, basically desperate times desperate measures + post war exaggaration and made up tiktok stories.
The funniest thing is how over the decades Croatian identity became so strongly associated with fascism and yet:>world's first antifascist uprising was undertaken by Croats (Proština Rebellion, 1921)>world's second antifascist uprising saw participation of Croats (Labin Republic, 1921)>world's first antifascist organization was founded by Croats and Slovenes (TIGR, 1927)>Croats launched the first Partisan unit in occupied Yugoslavia (Sisak People's Liberation Partisan Detachment, 1941)>entire regions (Istria, Dalmatia) were strongly Partisan in WW2 and the leader of the Partisans was a Croat (Tito)
>>18104000Serbs are excellent motivators
Honestly we’re a spiteful primitive people who have a deep seated blood lust.t. Croat
>>18104804>ethnic self-hatredreddit
>>18104000All nationalism is to some degree or other.
>>18104000The Serb-run Kingdom of Yugoslavia had spent the last 20 years trying suppress their culture and they were absolutely seething. Naturally, the moment that the shoe was on the other foot, it completely went to their heads.>>18104215>By WWII standards, it wasn’t any more or less brutal then other movements, specially in that regionidk, I don't recall the Nazis ever holding a contest to see how many people's throats they could cut or renaming small farming tools as "Serb slicers". They were murdering savages for sure, but they preferred to do it in a more impersonal manner.
>>18104857>I don't recall the Nazis ever holding a contest to see how many people's throats they could cut or renaming small farming tools as "Serb slicers".I'm not sure how many of these claims are reliable.Like let's take the killing contest for example https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Petar_Brzica> Bulajić 2002, p. 215. Petar Brzica, 25 years old, a Franciscan of the "Order of Friars Minor", a scholar from Široki Brijeg monastery, the Ustaše captain, who, according to the testimony of Ustaše Mile Friganović, in one night, on 29 August 1942, killed 1360 internees...You'd sooner drop dead from exhaustion than kill 1360 people in one night with a knife
>>18104000A coping mechanism for the fact that it was Serbia who achieved South Slav unity via Yugoslavia and who allowed them to break away from Austria-Hungary from the first place.
CroatGODs won in the long run. Look at the Servians now, landlocked and buckbroken by literal Albanians. Sad!
>>18104000Basically a Bosnian terrorist group (Pavelic) doing the same thing to Croatia like what the Austrian man did to Germany but in the case of Croatia, the entire coast and the oldest part of Croatia went to Italy where they were treated the same as other Slavs in Nazi Germany and leaving the country more Bosnia than Croatia.If Croats really hated the idea of Serbs then they would have changed their language back to a Croatian dialect, but instead they kept the Serbo-Croatian (Bosnian) variant, started inventing weird fake words and insisted it's different from Serbian.Muslim Bosniaks were literally declared to be the "purest" Croats and islamophillia was state mandated. Quite weird for what once was the bulwark of Christianity against a Muslim empire to make such a 180° turn, almost like Croatia was annexed by Muslim people.
>>18104361>The funniest thing is how over the decades Croatian identity became so strongly associated with fascismThat's because some groups really want to push the narrative that all Croats are evil fascist savages and unfortunately it became a very accepted meme on the internet while in parts like Istria, coastal Dalmatia, even in North Croatia it couldn't be further from the truth.
>>18104000The core of Ustase nationalism was an attempt to define Croatian identity in contemporary exclusivist ethnicist terms, in contrast to historical, broadly pan-slavic, Croatian national ideologues like Illyrianists and the Serb supremacist variant of Yugoslavism. To this end, they also utilized a good deal of various ethnologists to emphasize the role of either Iranic or Gothic ruling elite in the formation of Croatian identity. Naturally, attempting to build a state on this basis, while a good deal of its population was ethnically distinct (although Ustase had a very high view of Bosnians and considered a portion of Serbs to be Croats, assimilated by Serbian Orthodox Church), led to a lot of violence. Some of the brutality of it, like the prevalence of mutilations, seems to also have been somewhat rooted in Balkan culture.
>>18105119>That's because some groups really want to push the narrative that all Croats are evil fascist savagesThe groups in question are butthurt Serbs and Western tankies but many Croats indeed have sympathies for the NDH (usually the diaspora ones lol), which is partly because of the Homeland War when some of the Ustaše symbols were rehabilitated and libwashed
