Why is the confederacy venerated by tens of millions of people? As far as i can tell, people that lionize the csa are not even racist, they are boomercon conservatives who believe that the democrats are the real racists and israel's interests are above those of america. Why would anyone with this belief system like a short-lived state that was believed killing niggers was a right and jews are satanic.
>>18106700A number of reasons>regional pride>opposition to federal power>disdain for the contemporary politics of the North (and California)>preference for rural aesthetics over urban and industrial aesthetics (and the conflation of the CSA with modern rural America for some reason)Honestly, a lot of it seems like “nostalgia” for an idealized version of the Confederacy rather than anything real. Like, projection of contemporary political values backwards onto the Confederacy, so they can harken back to a past that never truly was as they imagine.
>>18106700Because it had better aesthetics than the North, that's it. Many political stances come down to aesthetics.
>>18106700Killing blacks was never some pillar of the confederacy.You’re not even racist.>>18106719>that never really wasWhat do you think they think the confederacy was?maybe they like it because it was a distinct phenomena from a specific time and place unique to their people?
>>18106700People like the Confederacy precisely because it was so short-lived. It didn't last long enough for people to see all the ways it would have gone badly in the long run, so people can project their alt-history fantasies onto the idea of the Confederacy and imagine that if only they'd won, we wouldn't have all the problems that plague our modern society. It's a similar phenomenon as that particular type of neo-Nazis whose politics basically amount to posting images of Albert Speer buildings and Arno Breker statues.
>>18106700>As far as i can tell, people that lionize the csa are not even racist, they are boomercon conservatives who believe that the democrats are the real racists and israel's interests are above those of america.Those people use the Confederates being Democrats as proof that the Democrats are the real racists
>Why is the confederacy venerated by tens of millions of people?Mostly propaganda.>people that lionize the csa are not even racistThey are. People stupid enough to put slavery in second place or justify it over "muh feels."
>>18106700Kek Americans only get 4 years education. And the South existed much longer than that
>>18106839I agree with this take. The people who idolize the confederacy can avoid having to deal with the reality of what they wanted their world to look like and can make up whatever utopian ideal that works for them.Then again, they would say anything negative about the confederacy was fake anyways so it probably wouldn't matter one way or the other.
Basically the US is an empire and all the history about it has been spun so that they are the good guys. The problem with this is white people's loyalty to the state in the US is really starting to come into question due to the explicit anti white socialist policies this state has been espousing for the last 75-160 years. Thankfully most of the absolutely horrendous policies for the last >100 years were due to the newly remodeled northern Democrat party. If you cross your eyes enough you can pretty much blame the Democrats for everything which is great for the empire because it doesn't call into question the legitimacy of US foreign policy due to the degradation of the treatment of white people back home. One of the main intellectual hurdles is the civil war of course for these boomers and most of them are more than willing to think it was about saving niggers than the south resisting northern imperialism. There are other hurdles that people don't really notice but I'm sure you've heard of it you listened to conservative revisionists recently. For instance Woodrow Wilson and FDR. Essentially the narrative is that it was they who started US imperialism when actually it started during the civil war. You will never hear a conservative bring up JFK or LBJ because they're the ones that opened US borders and destroyed the US. They can't have you know that so basically from FDR to Reagan is blank
The Confederacy just serves as a symbol for Southern identity, which is a (once) distinct culture and race from the rest of America. Goddamn, leftists are fucking stupid.
>>18107024The Confederacy was 100% right and represented the liberal values of the original American union while the north was the imperialist drone that never actually separated from the English empire and supported them every step of the way in their global conquest It's this great hypocrisy of the US narrative they don't want you to know
>>18106839>shortlivedmoderate gentry ran the country for nine decades.>would have gone badlyIt couldnt get much worse than what came after.>neo nazicope.>>18106854What's the propaganda?>slavery is le badbut its not, its a perfectly fine system humans were fine with for thousands of years until White people decided it was morally wrong and then inflicted abolition on primitive browns after removing it from their own countries.>>18106968>I agree with a 2020s liberal view of the confederacyself report
>>18106700I always like to point out that South Vietnam lasted longer than the CSA and wasn't founded for the purpose of preserving slavery.>>18106724The Union had better uniforms.>>18106839Would you say the same about Rhodesia and those nostalgic for it?>>18107024>implying Southerners don't still have a distinct culture>implying they were ever a distinct race
>>18107140>I always like to point out that South Vietnam lasted longer than the CSA and wasn't founded for the purpose of preserving slavery.It's always interesting to me you can tell if someone's South Viet or pro-commie by whether they say Saigon or Ho Chi Minh. Some people in Vietnam get hella butthurt if you call Ho Chi Minh as Saigon. Kind of like PRC kids who hear Taiwan is a country and pissed as fuck.
>>18106700>Why is the confederacy venerated by tens of millions of peopleBecause they hate niggers. All that stuff about states rights is bullshit. None of the people currently alive today who defend the confederacy can even recite a single line from their constitution. I bet they'll screech about protections they are entitled to under current Union laws.>>18107135>REEE SLAVERY GOOD REEEYou're not even a real person with real opinions.
>>18106700CSA didn't have anything to say about da jooz thougheverbut they really, really wanted to make sure that blacks are going to be picking crops on farms forever and ever and never do anything more productive
>>18107233What is this suppose to mean?
>>18107196>>REEE SLAVERY GOOD REEE>You're not even a real person with real opinions.who are you quoting?Slavery is an outdated economic mode in an industrial world, nothing more nothing less, applying a moral angle to it is retarded.>SLAVERY BAD REEEEYou didnt even come up with this opinion, it was fed to you when you were a child.
I don't understand why hundreds of thousands fought and died over a system that was already archaic by the time they made such a fuss about it? They keep their rights to own slaves. Then what? They slowly get reform the system and get rid of it in 20 years? Wow.
>>18107242>you didn't come up with the opinion that you aren't willing to work for freeYou are a retarded /pol/tranny. Nothing much more to say beyond that.
>>18107233>>18107243glowy
The subject can not be touched even here because too many people just immediately devolve into redditor tier retardation either because they like being a jackass and a troll that can call people pro-slavery and racistor they lack an actual positive moral foundation demands they call out the flaws of a people over a century ago by calling people pro-slavery and racists todayperhaps centuries from now after The Babylon of the west falls, actual public discussions can be had on itBut even that's hoping too muchthe lessons will never be learnedmankind misunderstanding itself through ego and intentional manipulation for the sake of powerI hate you all. Good day.
>>18107358In English please sar
>>18107411Sar, de war anda itsa consaquences cannanot be effectively understuud bya de people mosta needing, thata being de actual american people.Dis is du to de neccesary propoganda to keep de federal government ina control anda expand itsa powar sar
>>18107044never forget new england committed treason in the war of 1812 by letting canadian/british forces stroll in unmolested while also continuing trade with banker island
>>18106700Its a cool flag you have to admit
>>18106700It's because they hate niggers but know you're not supposed to say you hate niggers
>>18106700alternate histories
>>18106700How long was the United States involved in WW2?Just so we can get some perspective
>>18106700my ancestors and other southrons had to justify starting a civil war over chattel slavery so we spent the next 150 years making a bigger cause out of it and making martyrs and saints of our generals so we'd feel better about getting a bunch of decent men killed over all that foolishnessotherwise it'd be too difficult for the egos and consciences of the people involved and the south as a whole to keep going on and keep our pride in our identity
>>18107753>cordite>teflon bullets with magical armor penetrating abilitiesinto the trash
>>18106700they had other legitimate gripes. the slavery part was the big one, but the central banking, tariffs and federal government imposing on them were pretty big issuesAlso in like the late 1800s until the mid to late 1900s the confederacy/lost cause stuff was (correctly) pushed and romanticized to push back against integration and the civil rights act
>>18106700CSA is quite possibly the most based country ever, easily in the top 10 anywayIt’s a country predicted on chilling with a mint julep and a cigar while getting your dick sucked by a nigress that just cooked up some fried chicken and collared greens. Also went to war to say fuck the feds. Unbelievably based, way more based than Nazi Germany, Serbia, South Africa, or any of the other chud core countries. > killing niggers was a right and jews are satanic.Not true.1. Killing slaves was a crime. Owning niggers however is a human right.2. There were many Jewish families in the CSA, most of them owned slaves, by the end of the war goddamn Yankee bastards were pogromming Jews from captured cities because they just took it as a given they’d be Confederate supporters. All the viciously anti-Semitic, anti-foreign, anti-Catholic chuds of 19th century America were unironically republicans, that’s where you found the know nothing and anti-Masonic types. The Republican Party was also a magnet for insane Protestant schizos in general, which was the main source of early momentum for the abolitionist movement.
>>18107278You get your dick sucked by a nigress obviously.
>>18106700Who do you think they should venerate? Lincoln? lmao
>>18106700the south wasn't rebuilt so they have quite the baggage against the north.
>>18107135>>What's the propaganda?Cause its a bunch of fake ass bullshit, the average southerner got fucked over by his own elites. They pretended the war was to protect the south but you look at the reality, its just a bunch of rich jews who want to protect their plantation.
>>18109232But it was to protect the southYou know, from the feds burning and pillaging the place like war criminals.
>>18109516>won't somebody think of the Jewish plantations?!?!?
>>18109526Sorry Yankee but the feds did objectively butcher civilians, torch civilian infrastructure and private property, loot, rape and of course commit acts of vicious anti-semitism against innocent Jews. All Johnny Reb was doing was defending his home from a bunch of raiders doing the bidding of a dictator. Whatever you think of slavery it was objectively in the interests of every Southern man to take up arms against the feds, because they were the same scumbags today as they are now.
>>18106700>the confederacy last[ed] from 1861-1865Southern states have been de jure independent since 1776
>>18106700>Why is the confederacy venerated by tens of millions of people?Violent history + shithole area (relative to the rest of the U.S) + lots of regionalism and even ethnic differences from other parts of the country. The civil war gave the area a flag, a shared trauma, and a mythology altogether.>they are boomercon conservativesThey're their own breed from well before the Boomers, the roots are deeper.>killing niggers was a right They actually wanted the opposite, they wanted slavery to continue and to import more slaves.>jews are satanicJews were on both sides of the war and most disproportionately represented on the Southern side. There's actually a great book about it by a Jewish historian from Charleston that made the issue a bit of a lightning rod in the 00s:https://www.amazon.com/Jewish-Confederates-NS-Robert-Rosen/dp/1570033633
>>18111044Basically this. Every single aspect of southern is jewish, and the south being more racist than the North is a meme.
>>18107278They didnt want foreign soldiers in their country.>>18109232>got fucked over by his own elitesas opposed to what? Northern Elites were going to look out for Southern interests better? no.Laughable.>DA HECKIN CLASS STRUGGLEkys communiggy>but the realityThe reality was the South had secession by popular mandate and their elites lead those in their charge faithfully to preserve their nation and way of life.fuck off with that class bullshit, never met a poor black man who advocated for poor Whites over wealthy blacks.If my family was wealthy I wouldnt betray them for a poor alien.You would because shitlibs literally place higher value on space rocks than family members.
>>18111044>>18111222dont care, the South is apart of American history and a subset of larger White history.We arent going to demonize our own people because they werent anti-semites even if we are anti-semites.
>>18106724Fuck no. Rebels looked raggedy. The north had real uniforms.
>>18106700The South argued that the States had ratified the Constitution through individual conventions, so they could reassert their sovereignty by taking the same steps. When the Southern States seceded from the Union in 1860 and 1861, not one State was absent in discharging this legal obligation. Every seceding State properly utilized the convention process, rather than a legislative means to secede. Therefore, not only did the Southern States possess the right to secede from the Union, they exercised that right in the correct manner. Each and every State ratification convention asserted that the delegates who were meeting to ratify the new Constitution did so on behalf of the people of their States. Each one asserted that all power originated from the people, but also asserted that this power was being exercised by the people of their several States through the conventions of their States. The states, as bodies formed from their separate populations and existing prior to the Constitution, were the parties to the Constitution – not the body of citizens of the United States as a whole. The States entered a partnership for the common good and loyalty to the Constitution, not the Union. The Union was to act as an agent for the States, not the opposite
>>18111856The average reb did look raggedy but proper bougie grey uniforms looked real nice. It’s just another manifestation of their shitty industrial capacity. The fundamental fashion design they were aiming for was good, they were just too broke for the average soldier to have drip.
>>18111823>the South is apart of American history and a subset of larger White historyI agree, the problem is you get a lot of both Dixiefags and Shermanposters alike that consolewar and just refuse to bury the hatchet. Luckily they're both dying out but they still remain.
>>18106854Slavery just doesn't matter. I just don't care if blacks are enslaved. They literally still enslave each other in Africa in 2025 so I don't really see why it's such a big deal that White people did it like 200 years ago.
>>18112848>Slavery just doesn't matter.It's one of the most socially and economically corrosive things a country can do, it absolutely matters
>>18106700It is interesting that each party made their first move on March 12, 1861. The Confederate Governnent sent peace commissioners to Washington to meet openly, to discuss peace. Lincoln secretly sent word to G. V. Fox to come to Washington to arrange an expedition to reinforce Fort Sumter. On the same day, a spy was sent to Pensacola to arrange the reinforcement of Fort Pickens. This broke the standing armistice, and was considered an act of war. The northern population was unaware of the armistice at either location and Congress was conveniently adjourned.Abraham Lincoln purposely deceived the people, Congress, the Confederate Commissioners, and the States of South Carolina and Florida. All carried out in order to fulfill his secret scheme to inaugurate war on the South.
>>18113168You are just saying that because of this reddit thing where if something is "le bad" morally it also has to be le bad practically, so that the bad guy gets their comeuppance like in a movie. You are confusing the normative with the positive.The Roman Empire did fine with slavery. America did fine. If it is "corrosive" it is because people like you complain about it and are willing to destabilize the country over it, but you could simply change your mind and it would not affect you materially at all.
>>18113168It's literally one of the best things a country can do if they want to advance. Slavery is a stopgap institution. It exists when a nation wants to industrialize but lacks the resources or knowledge to do so. If you want to make a lot of things really quickly in a pre-industrial society you use slaves.
>>18106700The confederacy went through at least three generations of lost causers. The first were actual veterans and their supporters who hated not only the Union, but were hardcore nativists who didn't like the recent european migrants arriving either. The second came around in the early 1900s. This was when the image of the confederacy was absorbed into the broader smorgasbord of modern pro-White philosophy in spite of anachronisms and ideological inconsistency. Such as the treasury being run by a jew. This is also when you began to see the CSA reduced to, "we hate niggers" rather than any tangible view of how the states should govern themselves within the framework of the increasingly powerful federal government.Today it's just southern pride in the same way some mick in Boston waves an Irish flag. It means nothing. Just diaspora reminding you that this is muh town and not yerz.
>>18106700Some do it for southern pride. Most who venerate it just want revenge. That's why you see alot of pro-confederates supporting retards like trump and the republican party. Not because they actually feel loyalty to the shartpublicans or the orange retard. but because they want them to drag the country into a civil war or economic devastation.My beliefs are simple. I want revenge for the civil war, and want to kill as many yankees and southern unionists as possible. I don't really care about any of the /pol/ schizo neonazi shit that gets associated with it.
>>18106700Once the low Confederate tariff was announced, powerful Northern business interests came out strongly opposed to peace with the Confederacy. As the pressure for aggression mounted, Lincoln decided to provoke an attack on the fort in order to use the attack as a pretext for invasion and to whip up a majority of the Northern public into a war frenzy against the South. Lincoln himself later admitted that he provoked the attack so he could use it as justification for waging war. (Francis Butler Simkins, A History of the South, Third Edition, New York: Alfred A. Knopf, 1963, pp. 213, 215-216; J. G. Randall and David Donald, The Civil War and Reconstruction, Lexington, Massachusetts: D. C. Heath and Company, 1969, p. 174).
>>18106700Lincoln’s invasion of the South had nothing to do with moral compass. As with most wars, it was about money. "The Southern Confederacy will not employ our ships or buy our goods. What is our shipping without it? Literally nothing. . . It is very clear that the South gains by this process, and we lose, No, we MUST NOT LET the South go.”~ Union Democrat, Manchester, NH, Feb. 19, 1861
>>18106700Although Lincoln's April 15 call for 75,000 militiamen was based upon his conceived notion of the unconstitutionality of secession, his April 19 proclamation to blockade the Confederacy was implicit recognition of the constitutionality of secession and the C.S.A.'s independence. Under international maritime law, a nation can close but not blockade its own ports. The April 15 proclamation declared the Confederates to be de facto insurrectionists and the Southern States under U.S. jurisdiction, whereas the April 19 proclamation made them de jure belligerents and C.S.A. independence from the U.S. a fait accompli.
There is a Minecraft Worldbuilding and Roleplay server which has a nation that has lasted longer than the Confederacy did.A group of minecraft kiddies managed to outlive the confederacy.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sOzSNROWuIc
