>Uhm sweetie you don't seriously think Hitler was some kind of cartoonishly evil villain do you? Please tell me you don't believe that kind of propaganda?>Meanwhile watch Hitler give cartoonishly evil hysterical screaming speech to rows of identical uniformed men with skull and cross bone emblems in a sinister torchlit stadium about how he will utterly annihilate every single one of his enemies without even a shred of mercy.Uhh are the chuds talking about another Hitler I don't know about?
They know that Nazis were evil, they don't care or think it's based. They just lie and whitewash their crimes to try and get new recruits to the ideology. Why do you think Nazis love Dirlewanger memes? Dirlewanger was a rapist pedophile that was sentenced to prison in Nazi Germany for molesting teen girls, then the Nazis let him out of prison to lead a penal battalion that slaughtered civilians indiscriminately. They see him as a hero. You can't argue with these people, they are amoral psychopaths that have abandoned all their humanity. You can only debunk their nonsense so that others see the stupidity of their arguments and don't join their cult.
>>18107370they are told on their tranny discord servers to "shill" nazism to "normies" by "hiding their power levels" it's basically one big larp game where bunch of neets can finally feel useful, every single one of them is aware of nazi crimes and those crimes are the very reason why they like nazis
>>18107370>>18107370>evil speechName one.>uniforms etcCommies btfo'd >they know about nazi crimesDebunked >told to hide power levelsLiterally write essays, books, encyclopedias, podcasts and post cool shit on 4chan every day
>>18107370>>18107381shitlib projection.Looking at the primary sources Hitler was objectively the most beneficent and honest leader of that entire century.
>>18107859>Name one.His Reichstag speech on the 30th of January 1939 where he threatens the annihilation of the Jewish race in Europe
>>18107939How is that evil? TKD is the most moral, justifiable and humane position.
>>18107925>shitlibTranny language. Back to leftypol.
>>18107925>the most beneficent and honest leader of that entire century.Wrong + you're brown + Nazis lost + niggersocialists could never build picrel
>>18107370>Meanwhile watch Hitler give cartoonishly evil hysterical screaming speech to rows of identical uniformed men The reason you think of it as evil is because post-WW2 Media associating evil with Nazi Aesthetic. By the standards of Hitler's time, his speeches were seen as more enthusiastic and energetic rather than evil lunacy. Same with uniforms, before WW2 many Western European Nations were very sympathetic to their aesthetic.>skull and cross bone emblemsSkulls are one of the most widely used military insignia due to its association with death. It was already widely used by the Hussars and many Modern militaries, especially SOF groups use some sort of Skull.>how he will utterly annihilate every single one of his enemies without even a shred of mercy.George Bush was one of the most vanilla U.S. presidents regarding rhetoric and even his speeches concerning the drug war and the fight against the Cartels were also very absolutist because duh: Defeating your opponent is the entire point of war.If you want to call the Nazis evil, be my guest, but then use actual Arguments instead of aesthetics.
>>18107939>threaten to remove Jews from EuropeAfter what they'd done? After what they just did in Gaza? Merely self defence and therefore not evil. Go ahead and justify Jewish machinations or Try another one.
>>18107956>shitlib is tranny language Shitlib is accurate terminology invented by the right to describe most /his/ anons such as you.
>>18107988>invented by the rightThe handful of subhumans on your tranny discord are not "the right", tranny :).
>>18107961>tries to be racist to sound basedHail Hitler and stfu
>>18107978This guy gets it
>>18107954You'd scream if someone raised a fist at you. Pipe down little worm.
>>18107992Dude shitlibs have been getting the moniker shitlibs for years already. Why so butthurt? Are you a shitlib yourself?
>>18108001Nazis beat up all opposition despite being routinely out numbered. Many were veterans. They were so good at it that today nazis ability to be violent is treated as a bad thing when in fact it just means they are stronger and tougher.
>>18107982He said nothing about removing or deporting, but annihilating them racially.
>>18107995>race realism is when you worship gaydolf shitlerKill yourself poltranny or come back when you turn 18.
>>18107995>HailESL beaner lmfao>>18108004>trannies have been saying it for years!
>>1810792520th century America was peak sorry socialistfag.
>>18108015Politically. No one claims that speech was the threat to kill jews. >>18108037Hitler was cool. kys jew
>>18108056He didn't say politically. He said that if there were another world war the Jewish race in Europe would be annihilated. Almost everyone interprets it as a threat of genocide besides neonazis and Holocaust deniers.
>>18108056I don't like jews or Hitler. I just broke your little shitskin brain.
>>18108211/pol/troons think it's impossible to believe in race realism and dislike Jews but also not worship Hitler and think the Holocaust happened
>>18107370The definition of evil in the post-1945 world has been strongly influenced by Hitler and the Nazis, hence why he seems so obviously evil. Because, to a large extent, evil is defined as "behaves like Hitler".He's not the only person in history for who this has happened. Genghis Khan is another obvious example. There would also be historical figures who were on the losing side of a great war so the winning side painted him that way eg Hannibal Barca is not viewed as evil today, but for Romans for centuries he would have been. Hitler's reputation will mellow over timeDoes anyone remember the pop song from about ten years ago where it goes "I get a little bit Genghis Khan"? Imagine if 700 years from now there's a song about sometimes I get a little bit Hitler when I'm mad.
>>18108226>18107370 (OP) #>The definition of evil in the post-1945 world has been strongly influenced by Hitler and the NazisNobody cared about the Nazis by 1955. They face of evil in America is and has been communism ever since shitler shot himself. You are not relevant.
>>18108179He meant politically. No one at the time thought he was going to kill Jews either. And he didn't. >>18108211You love Jews. You're probably polish though so you don't like Hitler because you're a fag.>>18108238Nope. Check out Netflix. Nazis are the most relevant. No one else is more relevant.
>Check out Netflix.Fuck. This place really is full of brown teenagers with a GED.
>>18107381Fpbp>>18108253>You're probably polishKek it's the butthurt tranny who calls everyone polish for not worshipping shitler.
>>18108267Anyone who doesn't worship Hitler is evil and homosexual. But Poles are especially butthurt about Germany even though they were the bad guys.
>>18108253>Check out Netflixthis was a shitpost, right anon?
>>18108287Nazis are known for their homosexuality. Christopher Cantwell who was a major figure in the Alt Right and one of the main peolpe involved with the Charlottesville rally just released audio of himself having gay sex with trannies. The National Socialist League was a movement for gay nazi men in San Francisco. Ernst Rohm led the entire SA with was filled with gays. Communists used to mock the Nazi party before they took power because of Rohm and the SA being well known for that. The biggest apologist for nazism today is Nick Fuentes who is a gay mexican.
>>18108287>if you don't worship another dude then you are homosexual
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>>18108313Cantwell isn't a nazi he's a libertarian which checks out.Nazis executed Rohm shortly after finding him in a bed with a young man. Nazis out pink triangle on homos and jailed them all.Commies got their shit pushed in on the streets then made up fantasies about it. Half of the commies stopped being commies and joined the NSDAP because they were sick of being fags and wanted a real socialism. >>18108314Worship isn't a sexual thing. Get the gayness out of your head. >>18108297Netflix every historical piece has nazis in it. Nazis are the most relevant political force in the world bar none. Everything is judged by it.
>>18107381Well, something like 2-3% of human beings are afflicted by psychopathy. Then you’ve got people who are just high scores on dark triad traits in general. You’ve also got people who have a mixture of anxiety disorders that makes the idea of violent suppression of humanity appealing. The sad thing is that even if you ignore the hideous ethical issues with nazism, it doesn’t even work. It didn’t fix the economy, it didn’t protect the German people, and it didn’t defeat communism, it just made it much stronger.
Everybody how isn't a brownoid, an imbecile, or a bot knows that the Allies (at least the Anglos) were much more based than krauts during the war. Krauts just chimped out against Slavs, massacred them, and were put in place.
>>18107370The point is that he wasn't a magician who cast a spell of mind bondage. He took positions that you perceive as extreme, but were well received by enough of the populace to gain support and weren't alarming enough for a large portion of the populace to take any action regarding them.
>mommy the bad man was yelling and im scaredhttps://web.archive.org/web/20120728170606/http://www.hitler.org/speeches/
>>18109072One of the problems is that Nazi sympathizers don't see the war itself as an indictment of Nazism. They think it was a perfect system that just prematurely put to death by the world powers controlled by Jews rather than an ideology that destroyed itself with its own sadistic militarism.
>>18109096Didn't click. Use your words.
>>18109096the very first link in this is just Hitler talking about defeating the Jewssecond link fighting against Jews and lying about being a Christian (which we know he was not)third link about how it was a mistake to give rights to "the Jew"how is this supposed to make Nazism look good again? it's just a perfect example of what the OP said, this is maniacal hateful stuff
>>18109099>this guy gets itYes he definitely gets it.Well said. The Nazis are correct.
>>18109119>which we knowwho knows?No nazi denies jews were persecuted. The current genocide in gaza shows why they were persecuted.
>>18109123Are you seriously arguing that Hitler was a Christian? There is a mountain of evidence about how much he hated Christianity even since he was young.>The current genocide in gaza shows why they were persecuted.The Nazi genocide of Jews and Slavs shows why barbaric Nazism had to be destroyed forever.
>>18109099True. I’ve seen them argue that Hitler just wanted peace ffs. That it was the evil poles and Anglos and French and Russians and Americans and Jews and a whole laundry list of people who just hated him for no good reason.
>>18109130You know, there's a neonazi on here who posts about 5 thousand times per day. You've probably run into him many times by now. He says the same thing about Hitler wanting peace and all and he always accuses others who dislike Nazism and Hitler of being Polish. Then when he gets worked up enough he says Polish people deserve to die out and need to be enslaved by "Germanics". Really sick stuff.
>>18109133Ahh, yes, because ‘not wanting to be slaughtered by Germans’ makes the Poles clear villains. Makes you wonder at what mental problems a person who does that all day suffers from. Has to be some kind of OCD or something since I think I have dealt with that one.
>>18109129>Are you seriously arguing that Hitler was a Christian? There is a mountain of evidence about how much he hated Christianity even since he was young.Literally baptised catholic>>The current genocide in gaza shows why they were persecuted.>The Nazi genocide of Jews and Slavs shows why barbaric Nazism had to be destroyed forever.Persecution yes, Genocide no. Gaza genocide has video evidence and bodies. Nazi genocide does not. And Israel isnt in a war against various powers so they can feed anyone anytime they want.
>>18109139Could well be me cus Im a keen Nazi and Hitler a devottee, but I dont say Poles need to be slaughtered exterminated etc. Thats probably some Jew doing Jewish exterminationist rhetoric again.
>>18109144Well maybe it's not you, but there is a neonazi on here that does do that. Nazis also love memes about Oskar Dirlewanger a convicted pedophile war criminal who even the rest of the SS hated for his crimes against civilians and consider him a hero as addressed here >>18107381 proving their undeniable sociopathy>>18109140I oppose what Israel has done but the casualties are much less there proportionally and absolutely than the 2/3rds of European Jewry and 20% of the population of Belarus and Poland being destroyed. The siege on Gaza is not like the siege on Leningrad where 1 million starved to death because Hitler wanted solely to kill the inhabitants with hunger so he could pointlessly murder and destroy the entire city rather than capture it. A nazi pearl-clutching about Gaza is hilarious when you support an explicitly genocidal ideology.
>>18109149>Well maybe it's not you, but there is a neonazi on here that does do that. Nazis also love memes about Oskar Dirlewanger a convicted pedophile war criminal who even the rest of the SS hated for his crimes against civilians and consider him a hero as addressed here >>18107381 proving their undeniable sociopathyYou should probably recognise the difference between nazis and edgelords. An edgelords will tell you he likes Dirlewanger just because and that x and y need to be killed etc. Thats not a nazi. Thats a conservative, or a rightoid - the kind of Americans for example that support a man beating up a baby as long as the man wins the "fight".Those guys arent Nazis, Nazis believe in struggle and Honour as real concepts.>>>18109140 (You)>I oppose what Israel has done but the casualties are much less there proportionally and absolutely than the 2/3rds of European Jewry and 20% of the population of Belarus and Poland being destroyed. The siege on Gaza is not like the siege on Leningrad where 1 million starved to death because Hitler wanted solely to kill the inhabitants with hunger so he could pointlessly murder and destroy the entire city rather than capture it. A nazi pearl-clutching about Gaza is hilarious when you support an explicitly genocidal ideology.Nazis deny the the holocaust and recognise most of the deaths as starvation and disease related ie by products of the war. So its not the same thing.Israel has been persecuting Palestinians for decades and then trying to expel a population with more rights to the land. Israel cannot be made peace with. Nazis can and weve recognised Palestinians rights since 1936.
>>18108012They were slaughtered in the millions by Slavic mutts and the only thing at all resembling a positive legacy is the worship they get from weak willed femboy needs on the internet, they were not tough and neo-nazis are even less so
>>18109168KD ratio disproves you. See SS Div Azul
>>18109168One of the biggest things that proves the evil of Hitler and the Nazis is that they hid in a bunker in Berlin and pointlessly refused to surrender, prolonging the war and leading to avoidable deaths of millions of Germans for no reason. Even if you don't believe the Holocaust happened or that the Nazis wanted to genocide Jews and Slavs (they did), just that is disgusting. It shows Hitler didn't really care about Germany and German blood, he was just a megalomaniac.
>>18107423>they are told on their tranny discord servers to "shill" nazism to "normies" by "hiding their power levels" it's basically one big larp game where bunch of neets can finally feel useful, every single one of them is aware of nazi crimes and those crimes are the very reason why they like nazis
>>18109180>conducts determined self defenceHow does that prove the evil of Hitler? The enemies of germany were and are a profound evil and proved it after so the Reich had no choice to fight on and on.
>>18109185You're not really addressing the point. Germany was defeated with zero chance of victory and everyone knew it, Hitler prolonged the war needlessly leading to the deaths of millions more Germans and even wanted to destroy German infrastructure with the Nero decree and was lamenting how the Germans were now racially worthless because the best already died in war. This just shows the moral bankruptcy of Nazism. Hitler's supposed of love for Germany was subordinate to his megalomania.This is actually a pretty unprecedented and unique event in military history, generally even the most tyrannical rulers recognized when a war was beyond lost and chose negotiation, surrender, or exile to preserve at least some of their people, territory, or honor. They had a choice to surrender and save millions of German lives.
>>18109195>conducts determined defenceHitler fought on and on hoping for a breakthrough in weapons or tactics. It was when they really began to lose communications with all forces that he decided to commit sepuku. This is like arguing that Hamas should give in to Jews. Are you sure you want to argue that?
>>18109198>Plus of course that the Nazis offered reasonable terms at all points in the war again and again.
>>18109200>>18109198It's not comparable to Palestine. The final days of the Nazi regime were unlike anything else in history and certainly modern history. The mass suicides, Goebbels murdering his entire family, the refusal to surrender, conscripting children and the elderly in the Volkssturm. It was a perfect example of the complete amorality of the Nazi regime as it all came crashing down.
>>18109207Anon the Nazis were fighting a profound evil. No wonder many chose suicide. They knew their people would be tortured then enslaved for generations and they were.Whats amoral about it? You dont want to fight the profound evil that the Allies represented?Serious question
>>18108226>evil person does things that are now considered evil because of himA shocker
>>18109223Or just make up crimes and accuse people of doing things that werent bad before but just are now because you decided it is now. See the NMT.
>>18109226>we need to villainize this person because... uhh... reasons
>>18107381I don't think all of them are sociopaths. Many of them want zero immigration (the same thing Allies in WW2 wanted, e.g. Churchill with his Keep England White slogan), but this sentiment (and other RW cultural stances) has since then been associated with Hitler in the prevailing culture so now they're stuck having to whitewash, minimize or ignore him.
>>18109234There is no excuse to be an actual Nazi though because there are people like Jared Taylor who want a zero immigration racially homogeneous white society but aren't genocidal Nazis. I don't agree with him, but I can at least respect his opinion to some extent because he seems like a kind old man that just believes in the benefits of a homogeneous society and prefers whites. It's just that most who hold these identarian beliefs overwhelmingly choose to go the Nazi route, because ethno-nationalism disproportionately attracts sociopaths and other malcontents with violent fantasies of race wars and delusions of grandeur. Which is why most of the white ethno-nationalist types will say people like Taylor are just cucks for not wanting to exterminate Blacks and Jews and rehabilitate Nazism.
>>18109231Because we need to justify what weve done.>>18109234The immigration crisis leads people to question all the pre-suppositions of present society and this leads them to the truth when history is examined more closely.
>>18109243>ethno-nationalism disproportionately attracts sociopaths and other malcontents with violent fantasies of race wars and delusions of grandeur.We recognise that instead the non eth nats have these problems which lead them to say things that are not true.
>>18107381This. Neo-Nazis are in fact that only political faction in the west currently that's aware they are evil, though they like to blame other people for it, as if they were forced into being evil by society. Pic related.
>>18109245>what weve doneSent hundreds of thousands of white people to die in the frozen wastes of Russia? Yeah, that's pretty evil... oh wait
>>18109248>This refers to saying white people are evil by their nature. white people, the sane ones, recognise that since they are inherently good then the evil they are tagged with is either meaningless or instead denotes their inherent goodness.
>>18109251No, what the allies who are conducting the trial have done.Try to keep up anon.
>>18109247What I said is undeniably true. Most white nationalist types are just amoral petty sociopaths that want to harm other people and races, not just people who love European identity and want to live in a homogenous society. This is especially the case now. The respectable, non-hateful Jared Taylor ones are now a relic by now and largely irrelevant. Instead we see bile about "Total Nigger Death", how the Holocaust didn't happen but it should have, Nordicism, Oskar Dirlewanger, and so on.
>>18109255Thats edgelords shitposting on 4chan, not the nazis anon. Read the actual discussion and news sites such as the Unz review, counter currents etc etc
>>18109257Most white nationalists would want to "rope" Ron Unz for being Jewish and Greg Johnson for being gay. Like I said, it's a movement made overwhelmingly of sociopaths with homicidal desires.
>>18109254Sorry, I still don't see how any of that makes Hitler less evil than he was unless you're one of those schizos who denies the battle of Stalingrad
>>18109260They just try to dazzle others with rhetoric and logical fallacies. Not a single argument.
>>18109259Uh no, thats edgelords shitposting again. Even TRS, respect Ron Unz and dont want to "rope" Greg
>>18109260This presumes there's something wrong with invading Russia and taking Stalingrad.Since there isnt and wasnt its impossible to tag Hitler as truly evil. Simple logic desu.
I know you Nazis don't care about Jewish life, but if you claim to be for Europeans and all about the White race, then learn and read more about the horrible crimes Nazis committed in Eastern Europe. Maybe this will start to show you how morally putrid Nazism is, but I don't have much hope.
>>18109266What about Hitler ordering starving Leningrad to kill everyone in the city instead of trying to militarily capture it? And the mass burning of villages in Belarus and execution of their civilian populations. And a million other things.
>>18109266>evil things aren't evil anymoreGuess he was right all along >>18107381
>>18109267Nazis were defending themselves. Himmler was a known blabbermouth and many quotes are taken out of context. Fundamentally accusations against Nazis rests on isolated quotes.
>>18109268Aymmetric warfare and soviet propaganda desu
>>18109269The allies created new crimes for their own purposes anon dont know what to tell you.Read carlos whitlock porter on the NMT
>>18109271We have the documents that prove Hitler ordered the starvation of Leningrad, to deliberate kill the civilian population.
>>18109273Again resting on curious isolated interpretations of documents and military tactics.
>>181092741 million people died as a result of that siege, so stop coping.
>>18108439>Netflix every historical pieceOh I see. It was a shitpost.
>>18109277>siege warfare is le badthey had a thin supply route which they used to good effect.>>18109279>Nazi movies constantly. Nazis are irrelevantseethe
>>18109281>they had a thin supply route which they used to good effect.The order was to not accept a surrender of the city so they could continue to starve and kill them. The aid and evacuation corridors were bombed and strafed by German aircraft and German soldiers were ordered to open fire on anyone who tried to flee towards the German lines. But you will defend that.
>>18109284Germans were subject to infiltration and partisan warfare so had to keep their lines tight. Also allowing siege lines to be re-supplied with shells wasnt a good military idea.
>>18109287You didn't address any of the points
>>18109288I literally addressed the whole thing you just dont want to get it.
>>18109289You didn't address the deliberate starvation of the city
>>18109287You're making excuses for the deliberate genocide of 1 million people through starvation, against military objectives (not accepting surrender to continue killing people) all on Hitler's orders. You are an amoral sick fuck Nazi that will reflexively defend anything the Nazis did no matter how evil.
>>18109291It's almost poetic, really>claim Hitler wasn't evil>in their apologetics end up looking even more evil
>>18109290>let the enemy have food and weaponswhat kind of siege is this?try a better argument anon
>>18109294But you'll say the siege of Gaza is a genocide and shows how evil the heckin kikes are!!1
>>18109291>not accepting the surrender.lmao. Nazis took city after city and soviets were pretty bad about just giving up significant communist cities ie named after the founder of the revolution Lenin himself.
>>18109296The Nazis conduct a short war not a generational campaign. Big difference.
>>18109294What kind of siege has a specific instruction *not* to accept surrender? The one whose goal is not to take the city, but to conduct a genocide
>>18109299>implying Nazis would intentionally maul their own troops by making soviets fight and die in one place when they hadnt before and didnt after.
>>18109300>didnt after>StalingradOk, you're just being idiotic now
>>18109301>?copenazis intended to take the city and lead the survivors out further east then destroy it. they did not want to occupy it as they were stretched too thin to occupy it. Instead they planned to raise it and give the land the Finns.
>>18109301Same with Stalingrad. Invade take city, lead out inhabitants. They knew communists would offer only burned earth and could not be reasoned with as the build up to barbarossa proved.
>>18109306>this is somehow not evilEven if you weren't wrong (and you're wrong) it still wouldn't help your case. Nice try, see you next time
>>18109294>>18109297Hitler ordered the Wehrmacht to not accept capitulation and keep starving the city, because he wanted to murder everyone in it with hunger.>The Führer has once again decided that surrender by Leningrad or later by Moscow is unacceptable, even if offered by the opposing side.-Alfred Jodl>It is the Führer’s firm decision to level Moscow and Leningrad to the ground in order to avoid that people stay in there who we will then have to feed in the winter.-Franz Halder>The supreme commander is concerned with the issue of Leningrad and its civilian population. The land forces command suggested laying minefields in front of our lines, so that the soldiers do not have to engage the civilians directly. If Red forces at Leningrad and Kronstadt surrender, lay down their arms, and will be extracted into camps, the commander no longer sees a need to maintain the siege of the city. The forces will be transferred to accommodation areas. The majority of the population will die, but at least not in front of our eyes. The possibility of extracting a portion of the population through the road at Volhovstroy should be considered.-Wilhelm Ritter von Leeb, commander of Army Group North
>>18109308The idea was to wipe out the city buildings as its Lenin's city and communists had proven unreasonable towards eastern europe and had seriously harmed germany itself in the years after the revolution.All across EE the Einsatzgruppen sought to rebuild the lands by administration of areas including re-establishment of christianity so utter mass murder was not their first concern.
>>18109310>The possibility of extracting a portion of the population through the road at Volhovstroy should be considered.Again, they were stretched, the line above shows that total extermination was not the idea.
>Today, the High Command of the Wehrmacht made its decision regarding the city of Leningrad; according to this decision, surrender will not be accepted-Wilhelm Ritter von Leeb, 12 October 1941>The Führer is determined to wipe the city of Petersburg off the face of the earth. After the defeat of Soviet Russia, there is no interest whatsoever in the continued existence of this large settlement.-letter from the OKM>Surrender is not to be demanded.-Army Group North directive, 28 September 1941
>>18109317Surrender means occupation. That was too difficult to maintain, better to clear them out and destroy it.
>>18109313>All across EE the Einsatzgruppen sought to rebuild the lands by administration of areas including re-establishment of christianityIt's like I'm arguing with a cult member.>>18109315He said the possibility of extracting some, and this was just the opinion of Ritter von Leeb, not Hitler, who did order the starvation of the city. They said the majority of the population would be killed and wanted to lay mines so that the soldiers wouldn't have to mow the civilians down with guns.>>18109320Destroying an entire city for no reason was more pointless megalomania from Hitler. It would make much more sense to use it as a port and use the factories inside the city to produce armaments.
>>18109322FactsLaying mines meant their lines wouldnt be crossed. They did not want streams of russians in their linesIt was lenin's city right on Finland's borders and a long term threat to Finland and the Baltic peoples. Hilter was correct of course as events proved and the baltics were enslaved for 40 years.
>>18107381Kill yourself kike
Hitler was obsessed with destroying cities. Leningrad, Moscow, Warsaw he wanted to pointlessly demolish them all in acts of genocide. He even wanted to do the same to Paris towards the end of the war. More proof of Hitler's evil. Of course Nazis will have retarded excuses for why Hitler "needed" to completely level large cities.
>>18109325The large cities were literally the centre and growing area of communists. Without them that evil creed has no soil.
>>18109323The Baltics (other than Estonians, who were seen as Aryan) were to be enslaved under Nazi Eastern colonization plans. Soviet rule was not ideal by any means but hardly "slavery". And no, leveling an entire large historically important city isn't justified. You are just so deep into the Nazi cult you see any admission of Nazi wrongdoing as betraying Hitler. You are in a cult.
>>18109330Nazis had common cause with baltics as seen when they liberated the occupied baltic states. Certainly they would be under german tutelage and protection and they had many ethnic germans living there already. Yes, enslaved - all property and history erased under an endless night of collective farms and indontrination.
>>18109328This is just insane. Now destroying entire large cities of millions is somehow needed for anti-communism or or something. Unbelievable. It would make more sense to occupy and use the industry of the cities for Germany's wartime goals, but Hitler was a lunatic who wanted to smash them like a small child wants to kick down a lego tower.
>>18109335>This is just insane. Now destroying entire large cities of millions is somehow needed for anti-communism or or something. Unbelievable. It would make more sense to occupy and use the industry of the cities for Germany's wartime goals, but Hitler was a lunatic who wanted to smash them like a small child wants to kick down a lego tower.Yes, communists had pushed all the way into eastern europe and the baltic states for literally no reason - so of course they had to be cleared out and sent east where there was plenty of land for them still. You saying things are insane is just cope.
>>18109334They literally considered most of Lithuania and half of Latvia racially inferior and planned to enslave them or expel them behind the Urals. Himmler demanded Lithuania be included as an area of German settlement and they started seizing lands from Lithuanian farmers to give over to Germans.
the noble Germans were merely liberating the Baltic states from Communism, you see>In January 1942, Himmler came forward with the project of creating an area of German resettlement under his auspices in the south-western part of the occupied Lithuanian Republic, to which the Lithuanian Volksdeutsche who hat not yet been resettled were to return. As is known, "West Lithuania" was an area assigned for colonization in the plan evaluated by Wetzel. True, up to December 1942, Rosenberg was opposed to Himmler´s project; nevertheless, by autumn 1942, the SS authorities had expropriated 6,597 farms in Lithuania and had resettled on farms 16,786 persons who had been repatriated to the Reich in the years 1939/40.
>On January 12th, 1943, Himmler sent a letter direct to Meyer concerning the eastern plan20. In this letter, the chief of the SS expressed his opinion on the table of basic figures (Grundzahlen) and the maps prepared by Meyer for the Generalsiedlungsplan21 which had been sent to him by Greifelt on December 23rd, 1942. In turn, he demanded that, besides Lithuania, Latvia, Esthonia, the Leningrad region, the Crimea and the Chersonese, resettlement in the east should also include Byelorussia. The GPO was to be amended also these lines without delay. Copies of the letter of December 23rd, 1942, to Meyer were sent to SS-Obergruppenführer Wolff, chief of the SS personal staff, to SS-Gruppenführer Berger, head of the Chief Command Office of the SS, who from 1942 also carried out the function of liaison officer between the Ministry for the East and the institutions under the Reichsführer SS, and to the chief of the police and the security service.
>Himmler took action very quickly on receiving Meyer´s memorandum and sent his opinion to Greifelt, the Head of the Stabshauptamt, on June 12th. The general commander of the SS and police expressed his approval of Meyer´s plan. He intended to present it to Hitler at an appropriate moment, but considered it essential first to link it up into one whole (Gesamtsiedlungsplan) with earlier plans prepared for the various Polish territories "incorporated into the Reich", for Bohemia and Moravia, for Alsace-Loraine and also for Upper Austria and Lower Styria18. In addition, Himmler demanded that the estimates for the settlers, workmen and financial means, which Meyer had drawn up solely for the Polish territories "incorporated into the Reich", should be extended to cover all the territories included in the GPO, and that the Generalsiedlungsplan prepared on the model of the Generalplan Ost; at the same time he demanded that the period of realization should be shortened from 25-30 years to 20 years. On the other hand, the range of Germanization in the eastern territories as envisaged by Meyer, particularly the limitation of the resettlement campaign in the General Gouvernment and Ostland to restricted bases, met with Himmler´s disapproval. He demanded that the GPO should provide for the complete Germanization of Esthonia, Latvia and the General Government within 20 years. Lithuania was to be colonized.https://www.worldfuturefund.org/wffmaster/Reading/GPO/gpoarticle.HTMthey literally wanted to settle the Baltics with Germans
>>18109342These states did have a number of undesirable elements who had supported the communist takeovers and subsequent massacres of ordinary people that the whermanct had found murdered in basements and so on.... so some re-organisation was necessary for long term peace in the region.
>>18109339Yes, completely destroying major cities full of millions of people is insane. No it was not required to defeat communism, Warsaw was not, it was under German occupation then fought for by the Poles, destruction of these cities was just the vanity and cruelty of an evil tyrant. You are in a cult.
>>18109362Warsaw was not a communist heartland city. So...no. Try again. You are in fact indoctrinated into a cult.
>>18109365That is what I was saying. Hitler ordered its destruction nevertheless and it was pretty much destroyed.
>>18109362To be specfic those communists cities had proven a threat to the entire area of millions of different peoples all across europe both east and west. They had not been provoked, instead communism sought to takeover everywhere without even getting a vote but instead by numerous under and overhanded means. Even Germany itself.
>>18109369Warsaw wasnt destroyed on takeover despite the various crimes of the Polish against the germans and others.
Anyway, its a good conversation. You say Im in a cult and Im wrong. I say you are in a cult and youve been taught wrong and this is only one of the first times youve seen a contrary pro Nazi opinion. Your reaction simply proves how cult indoctrinated you are. This is underbelly you cant see and have so far sought to make sure you do not see. Typically cult members assume every event simply happens in a vaccume without contribution by preceding history.At least /his fags are getting a real historical dicsussion out of these exchanges.
A good example of how this cult works;spanish civil war, communists could not win on the ground so they spent 600k or so on propaganda about guernica were the nationalists spent next to nothing. Thus so many people think Franco was wrong and ignore the many crimes of communism or that as Peter Kemp describes, the cummunists simply burned that town and blamed its destruction on nationalist bombs.
>>18107381>>18109234Also let's face it, people are attracted to Hitler because he had cool aesthetics. Same as the Confederacy
>>18107381This. There is no reason possible with people incapable of it. The only viable response to them is simply killing them. Passionless and businesslike, of course. The act of taking their lives having as much bearing as killing mice.
>>18107982>After what they'd done?The absolute fucking nothing they've done?>After what they just did in Gaza?Are we judging people based on future hypothetical crimes now? >Go ahead and justify Jewish machinations 1: It's not real and most of it are just made up medieval legends made to trick the gullible into helping kings steal money. 2: It is real but this isn't a game of kickball and therefore anything is justified if it helps you win. 3: If it real and it is morally unjustifiable and this matters, but the Germans did the exact same thing and were just worse at it.
>>18109177>KD ratio disproves you.The kill death ratio is only as low as it is because they didn't wipe out every single German they got their hands on.
>>18109213>They knew their people would be tortured then enslaved for generations and they were.Those evil jews... Literally paying to rebuild their country and basically re-arming them to help keep the USSR at bay. How fucking evil. God, can you imagine if they had just surrendered?
>>18109252Incorrect. They understand that white is inherently evil. That is why they talk about whiteness.
>>18109420True. Nazis believed in looking good and as it expressed their beliefs.>>18109430>absolute nothingcope, many books are writtenmake up your mind. there are plenty of books and discussion on this stuff.>>18109435the ratio refers to troops not civlian casualties.>>18109438You forgot about GDR. And germanys current loser occupation including the basic law and thought control>>18109440Nope. The understand what they are taught, they do not internally accept the message unless they are truly indoctrinated with guilt as teens can be with allied propaganda. . Thus the holocaust legend is exposed.
>>18109540>GDRGetting half of Germany occupied? Wonder what they could have done to prevent that. Surrendering, perhaps?>current loser occupation including the basic law and thought controlYeah, such horrible laws as murder is wrong and rape is illegal. >many books are writtenYes. But you only care about one and tried to burn the rest.
>>18109123The Jews were persecuted because Hitler wanted to stop Jews in another country persecuting Muslims in the future?
>>18107370Normies usually outsource their moral indignation to Nazis/Hitler but otherwise don't care about morality that much.The Zutt meme has revealed this to be true. You can spend decades trying to besmirch Mohammed by pointing to his pedophilia, slave-ownership or warmongering and Muslims don't care in the slightest, then it turns out he got buttfucked and suddenly they get outraged if you point this out.
>>18109564Why would surrendering prevent this dufus? LolMurder and rape were already illegalWe burned degeneracy and there were plenty of classic literature and nazi literature as well as fiction tv sitcoms plays romances films etc
>>18109821If they're doing that to Gaza now what do you think they were doing in Europe?
>>18110205He got buttfucked?Was this common?Did jesus and moses get buttfucked too or is this some Jewish propaganda?Serious question
>>18109213>those fucking evil Allies genocided us by pouring money into European defense to keep russniggers out of western Europe for the next 80 years/pol/trannies and stormniggers would've died in radioactive dust if it weren't for the Allies winning WWII.
>>18107370Hitler spoke normally most of the timeAnd what he said made sense
>>18107939>If the jews declare war on us it will be their end not oursand how is this le bad?This sounds like a self defense warning?>>18108001holy cope
>>18107992>>18107956t. shitlib getting tr(n)iggered>>18107961Nope I am correct, White, The Nazis ultimately secured Germany a stronger place in the current world order than in 1939, and you're right, National Socialist BVLLs didnt produce slop Boomerconsoomer """"families""""".
>>18108211>>18108220>heh, you never met someone who doesnt like jews or naziszuttmutt thinks its a novel creature L O LYou're too immersed in direction politics and too out of touch to understand factionalism within internet politics.>>18108049>heh when jews were ascendant and we smoked cigars and smacked women, that was peakThat was gay, retarded, and your grandfather was a gay retard.
>>18108313>an American libertarian having troonsex proves nazis are heckin gayThis is the most 2016 boomer post I have ever read.I can tell because its hard to discern if its boomers on the left or boomers on the right who are more likely to say this.
>>18109324>>18111608>>18111618/pol/tranny damage control
>>18109435>The kill death ratio is only as low as it is because they didn't wipe out every single German they got their hands on.captures are included in the casualties, Germany had a better Casualty ratio because Germans are smarter and more capable.And we see this today with Germans scoring higher on SATs and having a higher HDI.
>>18109248have you met many neo nazis recently?
>>18109284They werent to accept the surrender of civilians while the Red Army was still occupying the city, retard.Have you done any research on the siege?
>>18109322>Hitler orderedCan we see this written order where it says the Civilians under Axis held territory will be deliberately starved?
>>18111638You lost the culture war, go back to r/retards
>>18109185>>18109198>>18109213>>18109245>>18109252>>18109257>>18109266>>18109270>>18109297Nice images desu
>>18111694yeah the fags crying about the civil rights acts 60 years later totally won the culture war.
>>18109343>>18109348>>18109350>ITS A HECKIN COLONIZATIONThe Germans had been there for centuries and wanted to increase their population presence.This wouldnt be at the expense of the Baltic people because NO ONE LIVED THERE.They didnt even have a single major city, that is how rural and sparsely populated the Baltic states were, the largest cities in the region were developed by the Teutonic Knights or Danes.So what's evil here? People doing what people have always done? expand their presence in adjacent regions?Where's the evil?
>>18109330>The Baltics (other than Estonians, who were seen as Aryan) were to be enslaved under Nazi Eastern colonization plans.Show us a single state document where this policy was recorded.>hardly slaveryThe Soviets began exterminating Balts and repopulating their eastern regions with Russians, that is worse than slavery and the Germans didnt even have any kind of slavery.>Nazi cultYou were educated for 12+ years with anti-Nazi propaganda and you think you have a grasp of the facts?You cant even show us a single state policy to back up your claims.
>>18109325>>18109335>"this is evil and insane">its what people have always done to enemy forces throughout historyWas Caesar evil and insane?if you asked the average person off the street if Julius Caesar was evil and insane,
>>18109420no I think theyre attracted to Hitler because he was unashamedly working for the betterment of his people and Whites are so starved of loyalty among their leadership they will go for anyone.The people who like the Confederacy like it because its their heritage, theyre often from the South and the Confederacy was an explicit declaration of what made the South distinct.
>>18111719>>18111726>>18111730>>18111738
>>18111705nonsensical post.This thread is only occurring because of the liberalization around post-war narratives.Not only are your ideas losing, they are losing in the age of instant information.Which means two things, they were always retarded as when they face real opposition they are crushed, and there is nowhere for you to hide when come for you.
This other Nazi is cool and based. /his fags btfo again while ive been away
>>18111638>>>/r/eddit is that way
>>18107370There's two kinds of NeoNazis, there are the kind that know that the Nazi leadership were all sociopaths like >>18107381 said and then there's the kind that think there's some deeper nuance to the Nazi leaderships modus operandi, and will often formulate post-hoc rationalizations for their actions, leading to Hitler apologia regardless if it even makes logical sense under any real scrutiny. Now the reason people often choose the latter is because they believe that painting the Nazis as evil is an uncritical and one-dimensional analysis of them, which would be true, but people call their actions "evil" for far more than just their aesthetics, they committed atrocities, many of them even gloated about this. Family members of Nazi leadership such as Albert Göring were even staunch opponents of the Nazi Party and their ideology. The question isn't whether or not they were evil, the question is how they got to this point, and to answer that requires a deep understanding of radicalization and normalization of suppression and violence under a one party regime.
>>18112537>posting Hitler as a jew to defeat the ant-semites. Nazis btfo'd.>The question isnt whether or they were evil.No wrong. Thats the question and the answer is they were not.
>>18112551Nazis are indeed BTFO because the point of the image is to show how absolutely insane and offbase holocaust denial is
>>18112556Since Hitler wasnt a jew and the camps werent holiday camps the image is bullshit much like the argument presented.
>>18112551>>18112556>>18112566I actually believe Hitler was Jewish and it's a bad thing
>>18112617>I actually believe Hitler was Jewish and it's a bad thingNo you dont. Fucking kek
>>18112617nazis did behave like a jews that they portrayed in their propagandanazis were a sneaky conspiring cowardly lying rats obsessed with murder and looting
>>18112735>nazis were cowardly rats etcT. Seething commie
>>18109248Which one is evil? The shark or the seal? The spider or the fly?
>>18110240iirc. Even during the worst of the war, the majority of German films were comedies or romances
>>18107381Fpbp. Nazis and commies are crazy ppl, can't be reasoned with
