Has there ever actually been a civilization that was matriarchal? Or even one that had proper equality between the sexes?
>>18108039No because that would be civilizational suicide. There were some societies that allowed women to have property or inherit it from the husbands.
>>18108039I would argue that society is a gynocracy rather than matriarchy.Matriarchy implies that women run things like a mother would. Whereas in reality, PUSSY runs society and men are complete simps.
>>18108039fascism is the way
>>18108039That image is just a bunch of delusional nonsense. Women are 99% the same as men. Any civilization run by them would function just about the same. Don't @ me with the "well a matriarchy isn't necessarily made up of women exclusively" BS.
>>18108039We should do Matriarchal fascism.
>>18108039In the pic's definition? Debatably, yes. But that definition was invented around more or less thirty years ago by feminist anthropologists and people who specialize in 'matriarchal studies' (both of which are comprised mostly of women).And a lot of those assesments come from those very same women who may be lettitng their own biases tar the reality.Here is a pretty comprehensive book by one of those women.https://constable.blog/wp-content/uploads/Matriarchal-Societies-Studies-on-Indigenous-Cultures-Across-the-Globe-Revised-Edition-by-Heide-Goettner-Abendroth-z-lib.org_.pdfThough I have my misgivings on the quality of this research. It takes many strange suppositions for granted. And has a very strong undercurrent of second wave feminist ideology. All of this gives me the impression that the data may be deformed to fit certain pre-conceived ideological ends.Plus most of the data was collected by women-only teams of feminists so I am not exactly sure they are particularly inclusive of or atuned to the 'male experience'.
>>18108039>Communal decision makingOne more reason to hate matriarchy.
>>18109253P.S: Isn't it funny that feminism went all of this way just to circle back into giving birth?
>>18108039Sparta
>>18109329May you explain, please?
>>18109341https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Women_in_ancient_Sparta
Matrilocal, sure. Matriarchal? Ehh maybe. It can be kind of a slippery definition since feminists seem to have wanted to believe that a matriarchal society would be a harmonious utopia. As >>18109253 says its true that some societies might fit depending on definition assuming the ethnographic information on them is good
>>18109345neat
The problem with matriarchal societies (or any "community-focused" society in general) is assuming everyone on the community is not self-interested and wouldn't try to abuse the system given the chance, but this has happened in every single civilization in history.It just so happens that patriarchal societies are so prone to corruption and decay that patriarchs try to out-corrupt each other at every instance which ends up creating checks and balances unintentionally.
>PatriarchyResponsible for every meaningful advancement in human society, is the reason we are not a handful of tribes eking out a miserable existence from the wilderness at this moment.>MatriarchyLiterally every single attempt at it has resulted in a failure so absolute that no trace of their civilization remains in the historical record. Also>centers meeting all children's needs and investing in rising generationsLOL
>>18109253I read a very interesting paper on one of the people listed in that book, the Mosuo. About how the wave of tourism caused by their 'discovery' as a matriarchy was re-shaping their culture. It also discusses these feminists. (And remarks they are generally old harridans, funnily enough).here it is:https://nomadit.co.uk/conference/asa07/paper/1431>>18109900It's an ideology created by old Shrews. But they make somewhat decent points about Matriarchy existing.If you filter the rose colored glasses from their ideas you basically get the Longhouse from Bronze Age Mindset. Pretty funny.
>>18108994like this
>>18109909The practice that most discomforted them was women essentially exchanging newborn babies sometimes on a whim. Here are the passages. They are long.>In China, the Mosuo have not been perceived as a model for feminism; relegated to primitivity, they could not provide anything interesting to modern women. In the United States, the Netherlands and Germany (at least), foreign feminists believe that they have discovered a feminist dream and model (I met with several of these German and Dutch women at a conference in Europe in September, 2003). At least a few of the American feminists at these book launches, as well as foreign feminists I met in Yongning and at a matriarchy conference in Luxembourg (2003) were interested in the Mosuo as representative of the Mother Matriarch in all her unspoiled superiority. For these women, the assumption of the ancientness of Mosuo culture and its traditions made Mosuo superior rather than inferior. Those at the book launches struggled somewhat with accepting a Namu [Author of a Memoir about the Mosuo that made them famous in the west around 20 years ago] that lived in world of Armani and cell phones, with a Namu that, when asked if she had been to Tibet answered enthusiastically, “Oh yes! with a Beijing tv crew-55 girls in bikini in front of the Potala Palace -beautiful!”>After reading the book, many American women also struggled with those aspects of Namu’s past world that departed from their own version of a mothercentered society, with the idea that women might exchange babies (to gain a son or daughter for their households), or that women might suckle each other’s children. Yet still, for many foreigner women, the Mosuo represent an unchanged superior society, a return to a feminist Eden, and a culture that we should learn from and grow into, rather than one that is “primitive”.
